As you probably know, The Atlantic’s Hanna Rosin is out with a new book, called “The End of Men: And the Rise of Women.”
Rosin and I recently chatted about the book, and we, of course, discussed all the usual topics (including how a “war on women” can be plausible when they are clearly winning the future).
But toward the end of our conversation, talk turned to sex.Never have I been more grateful to learn that this was merely a journalistic convention. But not for long! Rosin tells Lewis about this unemployed guy with a well-employed wife who got into rough sex with the missus because "he needed to work out some of his lost dominance... he used to feel entitled to certain things at home because he was the breadwinner. And the truth was, [now] he wasn’t."
Lewis turns thoughtful, or at least looks offscreen, dreamy-eyed, as the shot turns hazy:
Could it be that two recent and successful literary trends — the amazingly popular S&M-themed “50 Shades” series — and the plethora of new books on the rise of women (see my recent interview with “Manning Up” author Kay Hymowitz) — are the product of a similar development?Whatever gratitude I had for the earlier sex joke was totally dispelled by the conflation of kinky sex and Kay Hymowitz.
I swear to God he ends with this:
Could synergy be at work here? Just as History’s “American Pickers” arguably helps create more of A&E’s “Hoarders” (there is a fine line between a “collector” and a hoarder!), isn’t it possible the same phenomenon that Rosin and Hymowitz are chronicling might also be feeding sales of the “50 Shades of Grey” series?This reminds me of a scene from the magnificent D.A. Pennebaker doc Town Bloody Hall chronicling Norman Mailer's disastrous feminism debate in that New York venue in 1971. At one point Anatole Broyard hectors Germaine Greer, asking what women want. "Listen," says Greer, "you may as well relax because whatever they're asking for, honey, it isn't you."
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ReplyDeleteIn any event, Stephanie Coontz, using Actual Facts and Actual Research rather than anecdata and assumptions, put paid to this nonsense yesterday.
I'm waiting for Matt Lewis to take this the rest of the way. He'll publish a novel about a breadwinning wife who becones a sub to keep her un/underemployed husband, then realizes just how resentful he really is: The Story of O Shit.
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It always hurts when I read a sharp old Germaine Greer quote. These days she appears on Celebrity Big Brother in Britain and writes articles mocking the Australia's first female Prime Minister for wearing pants that make her bum look big.
ReplyDeleteRosin tells Lewis about this unemployed guy with a well-employed wife who got into rough sex with the missus
ReplyDeletePlease tell me that the rough sex is consensual.
"Hm, this book is about sex, and this entirely different book is also about sex. Symbolic of an incipient cultural revolution? Probably! Can you believe I get paid to write this crap? I sure can't!"
ReplyDeleteI really don't want to take a swig of Jack Daniels at quarter to 1 AM, so could someone just shoot me instead? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteSorry about the midnight comments snafu, guys. I'll try to restore your pre-dawn Blogger comments.
ReplyDelete"including how a “war on women” can be plausible when they are clearly winning the future"
ReplyDeleteMy understanding was that THERE IS NO FUTURE, so it's good to see at least the gals will make it there.
Give my regards, Ladies. Hope you do better than we have.
When a Daily Caller columnist says that women "are clearly winning the future," he means:
ReplyDelete1) In the near future, women will make up the majority of Congress;
2) In the near future, women will make up the majority of Fortune 500 CEOs;
3) In the near future, women will own the majority of movie studios and other producers of mass culture;
4) People are starting to look at him funny when he talks about bitches and sluts.
I'll pick Door #4, Bob!
ReplyDeleteOne minute Obama is destroying the future and the next all the women own it. I suppose this must be Good News for Hillary.
ReplyDeleteWinning the future, huh? I thought it was just another excuse to pay lower wages and salaries. Being a secretary, for instance, was a respectable and well-paying job when men were secretaries. When I see articles saying that women are beginning to fill the ranks of a previously male-dominated career path, like General Practitioners, I first suspect that the job doesn't pay like it used to and the really good salaries are going somewhere else. Of course, there are women who are working at the top; it's just that the articles about women becoming a large share of a high-paying job is a clue that the pay is going down.
ReplyDeletehe needed to work out some of his lost dominance... he used to feel entitled to certain things at home because he was the breadwinner. And the truth was, [now] he wasn’t
ReplyDeleteSee, feminists?! Why aren't you spending at least as much time worrying about this guy's deflated sense of misogynistic entitlement as you are about trivial things like "rape culture" and "income inequality"? 'Cause you're reverse sexists, that's why!
Matt Lewis, Matt Lewis... sometimes I have a hard time keeping these guys straight, and I have to look at the guy's picture, and I think, "Oh, yeah, the guy who looks like a serial killer gloating when he's finally caught." And then I think that that's not cricket, and then I check out some of his other work, such as "Obama shamelessly uses Down syndrome to hit Romney", which turns out to be the campaign publishing a letter from a 25-year-old woman who identifies herself as a 47%er, but Obama can't do that because Trig Palin. Really. I'm not going to listen to his podcast, but I can't help but imagine him licking his lips and leaning into the mike and murmuring, in a Zapp Brannigan voice, "So, this 'war on women'... is it a... sexy war?"
ReplyDeleteIf it's a lesson in love, watch out. I happen to suffer from a very sexy learning disability. What do I call it, Kif?
ReplyDeleteYour suspicions are correct: I have watched jobs that were formerly held by men being filled now by my female friends, and their rate of pay is substantially lower than it was when men held those posts.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I also see a lot of my male friends getting new jobs and THEIR pay has also plummeted, in at least one case by more than half for doing the same work.
Welcome to the new America where everyone--women, men, reptiles, whatever--can all lose by winning.
"But toward the end of our conversation, talk turned to sex."
ReplyDeleteWhat is this, Penthouse letters?
I have a female friend with an engineering degree who tells me that when women engineers enter the career field, they often get "promoted" very quickly into management or supervisory positions. And then people are left looking around asking, "Why aren't there any female engineers?" Because you've been working to keep it a boys-only club, dur.
ReplyDeleteI particularly liked the next line:
ReplyDelete"And this wasn't like a traditionally macho guy. This was a guy who actually worked in a creative field. I imagine he's not the only one." Well, I imagine that rough sex might be a bit dicier with a rodeo bull rider or an "American Hogger" than it would be with a concert violinist or an interior designer, but we'll never know, because Rosin doesn't tell us, and Matty does more "imagining" and "guessing" than actual research.
Everything has got to have a conservatard angle, even S&M porn! Sure, people only like porn when everyday sex roles are out of whack. Um, whacked off? Um, whacky? Heh.
ReplyDelete"For some reason, people just aren't amused anymore when I tell a woman to get back to me when she's not on the rag!"
ReplyDeleteCome on, Penthouse is a pinko commie rag. Conservatives need their own porno; I imagine a conservative Penthouse letters would just be a lot of Ronald Reagan hitting guys with a riding crop, each time rattling off a famous quote.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, just because you're waging a war on someone doesn't mean you're winning it. Just ask Don Rumsfeld!
ReplyDelete"...each time rattling off a famous quote."
ReplyDeleteout of context.
It's hurts when I see a sharp old Germaine Greer quote. These days she appears as a house guest on 'Big Brother' in Britain and writes trollish articles mocking the first female Australian Prime Minister for wearing pants that make her bum look big.
ReplyDeleteS & M Bedtime For Bonzo
ReplyDeleteSay it ain't so!
ReplyDelete'fraid so... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfsQWrycQbg
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mamamia.com.au/social/germaine-gree-you-lost-me-at-big-arse/
[sigh] Sexlexia.
ReplyDelete4b) Or even when he just thinks about bitches and sluts. So many people can read his mind and it's not fair!
ReplyDeleteWe will withhold our wit until this injustice is rectified! Going Galt Wilde!
ReplyDelete(Oh, who am I kidding? Roy, you know we can't quit you.)