Thursday, April 02, 2015

WHEN LAST WE LEFT OUR HEROES...

I'd like to forget about Indiana, but it keeps exponentiating stupidity like some kind of Moron Collider. Some jerks menaced an anti-gay-marriage pizzeria, and the brethren declared this the fault of the reporter who revealed they were anti-gay-marriage. PJ Media's Scott Ott claimed the reporter "fabricated" the story "out of nothing" (that is, she accurately reported what the pizza people said); then people started menacing the reporter.

By the way, does anyone here approve of pizza shops getting death threats? I didn't think so. I suppose if you really did, you'd have adopted the successful gamergate model  and I'd be hearing how the threats were just satire. But the big story in rightwing circles is that you, me and Ted Kennedy have the pizzeria pinned down with Kalashnikovs.

"The left doesn’t care who gets hurt, so long as they get what they want," raved Ott. "Leftists use Gay people as blunt instruments to hammer only Christens," agreed Samuel Gonzalez at Right Wing News. "They don’t have the guts to go after Muslims who literally throw Homosexuals off roofs in the Middle East." (I don't normally bother to say this, but all rightblogger spellings/capitalizations are verbatim.) And of course the Daily Caller's resident drama queen Jim Treacher cranks it to eleven:
The social-justice bullies of the modern left got what they wanted. Gay marriage is legal in Indiana. But that’s not enough. Nothing will ever be enough, because they need to think of themselves as victims.
That last line must be some sort of inside joke.
...Exit question for gay-marriage enthusiasts: If you’re so sure you’re right, if your stance is so strong, why do you feel the need to destroy anybody who so much as dissents from it?
Why do I what? I don't remember calling in a death threat to the pizza parlor -- but Treacher's not talking to me or you, he's declaiming to the galleries as he plays the lead in The Tragedy of the Victims of Big Gay, and hams it way up. That's what all these guys are doing. If they can get enough people to buy their martyr act, they seem to hope, they might get them to think American Christians are actually being ground under the heel of homosexuals. It's win-whine!

UPDATE. Matt Welch of Reason:
The bad news, for those of us on the suddenly victorious side of the gay marriage debate, is that too many people are acting like sore winners, not merely content with the revolutionary step of removing state discrimination against same-sex couples in the legal recognition of marriage, but seeking to use state power to punish anyone who refuses to lend their business services to wedding ceremonies they find objectionable. That's not persuasion, that's force, and force tends to be the anti-persuasion among those who are on the receiving end of it.
Like Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Well, I expect they'll get rid of that soon enough. (Welch quotes Rod Dreher in support of his argument, which is just perfect.)

331 comments:

  1. DN Nation4:05 PM

    Pizza parlor in question had six-figures worth of Wingnut Welfare Bucks donated to it, so cry more, gay-bashers.


    That said, let me soothe your minds, wingnuts. As a bisexual man, I would like to say that when the Foreign Browns do bad stuff to LGBTs, it is a Bad Thing. Also: It goes without saying, you twits.

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  2. JennOfArk4:06 PM

    And true to form, the homophobic pizza shop owners have used the victimization narrative to their advantage and turned the whole thing into a grift, so far raising almost $200K from rightwing idiots.


    I'm putting up a gofundme page about how our governor's backpedaling on the whole freedom to discriminate law has killed my opportunity to open NoHomo Pies and with it, any chance for a successful grift. Will post link to the page here later.

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  3. Ripley4:10 PM

    When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a rainbow flag and carrying a Southern cross!

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  4. What's the money actually for? I've considered using GoFundMe in the past, but I didn't because I wasn't sure I could justify what I was doing as charitable. Don't you have to have a specific purpose in mind to raise money like that, or am I just dead wrong?

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  5. Well if we liberals are the real intolerant jackasses for not eating at anti-gay wingnut pizza places, then I can assume these Christians patron all sorts of gay bars and liberal eateries, since they are the truly tolerant

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  6. JennOfArk4:13 PM

    Gofundme is the web's premier grifting site - little or no oversight on fundraising for whatever purpose you like, or as in this case, no purpose at all.

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  7. I believe the money is for the home renovations needed to properly accommodate the Fox News crew so they can start their new jobs as "analysts"

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  8. Ripley4:18 PM

    IIRC, the GFM thing was started by an unconnected party. It'll be interesting - not to mention entertaining and probably instructive - to see how much the Victims of Big Gay actually receive when this all shakes out.

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  9. susanoftexas4:21 PM

    Dreher spent the day nailing himself to a cross and crying crucifixion.

    Here’s what any traditional Christian business owner or employee with a brain in his or her head must do now: keep your mouth shut.

    Do not talk to the media. You will almost certainly not get a fair shake, and even if you do, it’s not going to matter. The SJW mob will do what it can to destroy you. Do not talk to anybody about your thoughts or opinions unless you know you can trust them not to out you.

    Never, ever deny your faith, but do not give them any more information than you absolutely have to. It can and will be used against you. Unless you are already out, stay in the closet. This is where we are in this country. You think I’m exaggerating? You think I’m being alarmist? Ask the O’Connor family of Memories Pizza how quickly your livelihood can be taken from you in the cause of Social Justice™.

    If you have a better idea, let’s hear it.

    This may not be the America the gay rights movement and its allies, especially in the media, wanted. But this is the America they have created. And it’s just starting.http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/into-the-christian-closet/

    The worst thing that could happen to a conservative is that they would be treated as they badly as they treat others--even if it's just in their minds.

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  10. sharculese4:23 PM

    Shorter Matt Welch: I thought this gay marriage thing was just a fashion statement to differentiate me from the uncool wingers. There are people here who actually care about the gays? Fuck fuck fuck, how do I change course?

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  11. Rod's not nearly as much fub (or fun) as his commenters:
    Lost in all of this is the very targeted and non accidental targeting of bakers by secular liberals. For centuries bakers have had a hallowed bond with many of the worlds faith traditions. From the sacred hallah to the hostia or sacramental bread, this attack is meant to drive a wedge between community and the baker and is symbolic of the larger cultural battle lines.May be a joke, but just 'cause it's silly isn't a guarantee .

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  12. sharculese4:28 PM

    And as for persuasion- I don't think for a fraction of a second we can talk the bigots into not being bigots. They're pretty fucking attached to it. What I do think is that we can and will make them act civilized, and if that makes me a statist interloper then oh the fuck no.

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  13. For the record, friends among the Brethren, I don't approve of this kind of shitty behavior. There are plenty of petty liberal jerks who've decided to troll online storefronts and comment sections in a sad attempt at "activism," and I'd just as soon they knock it the fuck off. It's lazy, it helps no one, and - on a more cynical level - it's bad optics.

    It's also not oppression, or a lynching, or Kristallnacht, or whatever other histrionic simile you choose to employ. Yes, I know, We Are All Solzhenitsyn Now because mean trolly liberals make fun of you on Twitter or leave spiteful one-star ratings on Yelp or Amazon. I'd maybe take that a little more serious if you pricks had been a little more sympathetic when Anita Sarkeesian was getting regular death threats, but back then it was "only Twitter."

    So yes, those people are shitheads, but none of them actually fouled you. Quit grabbing your shin and play the game legit.

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  14. sharculese4:30 PM

    Twitter is Normandy when Wingnuts are winning and the Alamo when they're losing.

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  15. sundaystyle4:34 PM

    As a general rule, I'm not particularly given to schadenfreude. But I've got to fess up and say how much pleasure I've had watching Mollie Hemingway's head explode in real time on Twitter. It's been non-stop "they want to throw us to the lions" for about four days now. On Tuesday night one of her tweets was simply "Lord, have mercy" repeated three times. I'd call it manufactured hysteria, except I think she really believes it.


    As a point of contrast, at my social service job I work with several Christians who are really lovely, dedicated people. They care about the poor, the sick, the disadvantaged, and people of all stripes. Not too surprisingly, none of them consider cake baking or flower arranging to be bedrock tenets of their faith.

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  16. "Traditional Christian." Just once, I would like to see someone in Our Wonderful Newsmedia challenge the notion behind this - that only conservative Republican evangelicals/fundamentalists count, or that "moral issues" consist solely of what you do with your dick. I've studied world religions, mind, and the history of Christendom is far too complex to reduce it to "queers and sluts give me a sad." Hell, just the last fifty years of evangelism are more complicated than that.

    You want to be "traditional" and "moral", Rod? Quit obsessing over the gays and try to shut down some payday loan lenders.

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  17. I typed "Get off the cross, we need the wood" in the box there before deciding not to bother.

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  18. Professor Fate4:39 PM

    I keep getting reminded of that joke from the Young One's - "Rick I don't want to bum you out or nothing but you can't kill yourself that way - you can never get the last nail in"

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  19. Sounds like you're seeing an in-person example of the shift in the evangelical movement. From the 80's on, the movement was held in thrall to gatekeepers who decided what evangelicals should think and how they should vote. But over the last few years, a lot of evangelicals - especially younger ones - have been moving away from the culture war shit and back into the general social service that defined the movement prior to the rise of the Religious Right. The gatekeepers have responded by freaking the fuck out.

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  20. You could safely say that in response to anything Dreher writes and it would probably fit.

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  21. Ubu Imperator4:49 PM

    Has anyone else noticed that the modern conservative movement has started applying the same rhetorical tone to "social justice" that normal people typically reserve for "smegma" or "eighteenth-century eye surgery"?

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  22. Gromet4:49 PM

    I had sacred hallah french toast last weekend -- yum! As for the sacramental bread used in every Catholic church I've ever attended, it's a little disc with the consistency of packing foam, clearly baked by the million with all the hallowed love a 40-ton extruding-and-stamping machine can muster.

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  23. The bad news, for those of us on the suddenly victorious side of the gay marriage debate"Us"? "Us"? Hey, Welch, do you know if there's a disruptive app for ordering you a steaming container of Shut the Fuck Up?

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  24. Remarkable. A few years back, I remember a video game website using a similar service to raise money to send some people to E3, and they ended up getting trouble because that wasn't even in the neighborhood of charity. Nice to see that at least one service has opted for the "Eh, fuck it" model to digital growth.

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  25. Gromet4:50 PM

    Will NoHomo Pies specialize in fruit pies, or cream pies?

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  26. I'd like to forget about Indiana
    Just keeping it in the "I"s, let me add Idaho, India, Iowa, Iran & Iraq to the memory hole.

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  27. Your bible mentions usury? Mine's all about abortion.

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  28. If you’re so sure you’re right, if your stance is so strong, why do you
    feel the need to destroy anybody who so much as dissents from it?[SINGING] On Christ the solid rock I stand;
    My beliefs must not be challenged or questioned in even the slightest way


    ... Did I miss a memo, by the way? Is the word "projection" being discontinued, and these guys are trying to make absolutely sure everyone has a chance to use their supply up? Because Holy Macaroni Fuck, it's gone exponential.

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  29. Helmut Monotreme4:57 PM

    Bigots gonna bigot. Some fraction of the US is going to behave terribly in reaction to any event, on every platform they can employ, to every target they can identify and reach. I will not for one second minimize a death threat or other harassment, online or off. The internet magnifies outrage and all too often lets people unload abuse by the truckload with little accountability.

    On the other hand, the simple way to avoid this abuse is to not discriminate. If the gay marriage-torium asks for a 100 pizzas for a small town Indiana gay marriage-a-polooza, bake them, send them over with a nice card, and the customary bajillion percent markup vendors add to anything in the same ZIP code as a wedding. If they feel guilty, they can donate the money to the reactionary church of their choice.

    A pizza restaurant, baking pizzas for a gay wedding is not the same as helping to build the big gay death star. No one is going to blow up big gay with a single, improbably accurate missile to a narratively convenient weak spot which will kill millions of hard working small businesspeople too unconcerned by the big gay empire to turn down paying work.

    This is kind of a tempest in a teapot, in that the reporter went looking for a quotable bigot , found one and quoted them, which triggered an all too predictable outpouring of condemnation from leftists and liberals looking for the easy online win and a similar outpouring of support from fellow minded reactionaries. If they are media savvy they can turn this into years of right wing grifting just like Sam "Joe" "the" "Plumber" Wurzelbacher did after his moment in the spotlight.

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  30. DN Nation4:58 PM

    Remember when Joe the Plumber was going to change journalism forever as the Middle East correspondent for Pajamas Media? That happened, I swear!

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  31. I think the noble (& manly, can't forget manly) Warriors of Gamergate came up w/ "Social Justice Warrior" as a pejorative. Not surprising other reactionaries would pick it up.

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  32. DN Nation4:59 PM

    "these Christians patron all sorts of gay bars"


    Well, yeah, they do. Or hit up Craigslist and Grindr.

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  33. Helmut Monotreme5:00 PM

    Did he get any closer to the middle east than the closest Syrian restaurant?

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  34. Yep. Didn't he somehow have all kinds of inside sources that would break the whole thing wide open & uh & ...

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  35. LittlePig5:14 PM

    What the hell did Christen get into now? That girl, I swear, always getting into some kind of trouble.

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  36. Jay B.5:15 PM

    They don’t have the guts to go after Muslims who literally throw Homosexuals off roofs in the Middle East.



    He's right! I have a solution: #BoycottMosul -- that should do it

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  37. he bad news, for those of us on the suddenly victorious side of the gay marriage debate, is that too many people are acting like sore winners

    I.e. not forgetting about this minor dustup and moving on to the important business of cutting taxes for rich people.
    ~

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  38. LittlePig5:18 PM

    It's even better with a Mike & The Mechanics soundtrack, just like Rod hears in his head.

    Rod's with the High Command, people.

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  39. Atrios5:19 PM

    Flashbacks to the days when ye olde professor, ken layne (who I think became a good guy), and welch used to heh-indeedy each other

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  40. Verily.

    http://wonkette.com/538101/ken-layne-and-wonkette-helped-save-the-country-from-doddering-crab-king-john-mccain
    ~

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  41. In lastthread, I suggested #MakeMemoriesGay, which was to smother them in Big Gay Cash for a week. Then, stop.

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  42. JennOfArk5:38 PM

    Sausage pies, of course.

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  43. Gromet6:02 PM

    I didn't see that coming.

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  44. JennOfArk6:09 PM

    That's what he said.

    NoHomo Pies is now live on gofundme: http://www.gofundme.com/qrj3s8

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  45. BigHank536:10 PM

    Indiana's RFRA is indeed a problem. Everyone has been talking about how it will affect LGBT folks, but it's not limited to them. It's designed to override non-discrimination laws, never mind what comes out of Pence's steaming piehole. A bigot with big enough balls would be able to use it against Jews (Christ-killers) or blacks (mark of Cain!) or immodestly dressed women (Your Honor, she was wearing a short skirt and she wasn't accompanied by an adult male member of her household--that's how I knew she was a prostitute.).

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  46. LittlePig6:11 PM

    but seeking to use state power to punish anyone who refuses to lend
    their business services to wedding ceremonies they find objectionable


    You mean that exact damn state that gave you a business license? The state that takes taxes from all people, and builds the roads that take folks to your damn business in the first place? That state?

    Why aren't the libertarians all over this 'taxation with representation'?

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  47. BigHank536:12 PM

    Something tells me that check is going to be in the mail forever.

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  48. smut clyde6:15 PM

    "Silent Running" would be a nice change.

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  49. I was clearly not talking about you, so you should feel free to put the ginned-up indignation back in the drawer.

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  50. smut clyde6:17 PM

    wash with Out-to-Get-Me soap
    I tried to be washed in the blood of the lamb but the Frau Doktorin was not well-pleased with all the mess and the bleating.

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  51. smut clyde6:22 PM

    It is certainly an indication of how well Dreher has internalised the GamerGaters' world-view, when he not only accepts their 'SJW' term for the people they victimise, but accepts that they must have been the ones using the GamerGaters' tactics.

    It is as if someone fuckweasel wrote an insanely vicious libellous book about him, and he blamed it on the Elders of Zion.

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  52. force tends to be the anti-persuasion among those who are on the receiving end of it

    Oh, fucking spare me the lameass boilerplate Libertarian whining about "force" which somehow never gets brought up when they're fapping it to the idea of bombing dusky furriners. "You can't MAKE people do things! Oh, fuck, wait, I forgot - Mooslims ain't people. Carry on!"

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  53. And here I thought beer shampoo was edgy.

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  54. AngryWarthogBreath6:31 PM

    Absolutely. Let 'em be fucking bigoted all they like, as long as they follow the goddamn law. You could open a bakery called the "God Damn I Wish I Could Refuse Service To A Protected Class Of People Bakery", and play nothing but "Homos Go To Hell" by Someone Who Wrote A Song Called Homos Go To Hell, and that's all fine. You're just not allowed to actually refuse service to a protected class of people.

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  55. I would like to go on record as strongly opposed to the stoning of disobedient children. Call me anti_Christian but I don't care what your bible says about it.

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  56. "Objectively pro-roof-throwing-off" just doesn't roll of the tongue.

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  57. willf6:32 PM

    By the way, does anyone here approve of pizza shops getting death threats? I didn't think so. I suppose if you really did, you'd have adopted the successful gamergate model



    It's really about ethics in anti-gay pizza journalism.

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  58. AngryWarthogBreath6:32 PM

    An anti-gay pizza baker was once friends with a journalist who never wrote a story about an anti-gay-pizza baker, and that's why I'm setting fire to all these cars.

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  59. Jay B.6:33 PM

    Then again, you don't see Big Gay shoving anything down ISIS' throats, do ya?

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  60. They named a sandwich after him - the falawful.

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  61. You mean this song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYNyeCy59ec

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  62. Might do them a bit of good if they did. NUDGE NUDGE

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  63. AngryWarthogBreath6:34 PM

    "I am wholly opposed to force that proceeds from the barrel of a gun. Now get out of my way while I buy more guns. For forcing reasons."

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  64. AngryWarthogBreath6:35 PM

    He's got a mouse in his pocket, and they've spontaneously declared victory for Team Quisling.

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  65. AngryWarthogBreath6:36 PM

    Yeah, exactly; kid has a big future in the pizza-singing world.

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  66. but but but THOSE guns are to KEEP people from forcing things on people! By forcing people! See? SEE? (Your human minds! Stupid! Stupid!)

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  67. John Wesley Hardin6:37 PM

    And delivering a crappy pizza pie with extra cheese and pineapple.

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  68. "...hungry enough to eat the hind leg of the lamb of God..."

    Irish singer/songwriter Luka Bloom

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  69. Smurch6:38 PM

    Say no more, say no more.

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  70. John Wesley Hardin6:39 PM

    "all the hallowed love a 40-ton extruding-and-stamping machine can muster." Still has more warmth and humanity than Rod Dreher.

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  71. lawguy6:40 PM

    Hundreds of years of common law that says if you set up to do business with the public, you do business with all the public. Then came the black codes that said you don't have to serve them cause their color ain't right. So now they want special laws to exempt them from serving another group they think are just icky.


    However, they never see it as a special kind of privilege, just for them.

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  72. However, they never see it as a special kind of privilege, just for them.

    Fish never realize they're wet.

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  73. LookWhosInTheFreezer6:45 PM

    Never, ever deny your faith, but do not give them any more information than you absolutely have to. It can and will be used against you. Unless you are already out, stay in the closet. This is where we are in this country.



    Sweet! So all the homosexuals in America were able to not only escape their own closets, but managed to wrangle up the homophobes and force them into the closet. Great. I hope there was some sort of fuzzy handcuffs and leather involved during the trapping just for added insult. One can dream.

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  74. "Mmmm-mmm! That lamb of God was good enough for Jehovah!"

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  75. LittlePig6:46 PM

    +10 for Plan 9 reference.

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  76. I'd rather bathe in the sweet perfume of dog farts than deal with Gamergaters.

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  77. Chris Anderson6:49 PM

    "They care about the poor, the sick, the disadvantaged, and people of all stripes."



    Hold on a minute -- stripes?! I was just getting used to the colors, now I have to deal with stripes?

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  78. David Hormel6:49 PM

    not quite sure where you're getting the indignation from; the service is helping me out immensely, in a seriously ugly moment, just thought I would share that as part of a conversation…and no I didn't think for a moment you were talking about me. Should I care?

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  79. LittlePig6:53 PM

    I hear you want a roof Defenestration,
    well ya know,
    the roof is higher than the pane.
    A nice idea this roof Defenestration,
    well ya know,
    Sharia law is quite insa-aaane...

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  80. LittlePig6:55 PM

    Wink's good as a nod, whot, whot.

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  81. LittlePig6:58 PM

    You did indeed, sir.

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  82. Brother Yam6:58 PM

    How about a nice Rack of Lamb of God?

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  83. M. Krebs6:58 PM

    Hey, gaddamnit, there's nothing wrong with pineapple on a pizza!

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  84. LittlePig6:59 PM

    We Are All Solzhenitsyn.

    Ooh! Ooh! Can I be Ivan Denisovich? Please, please?

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  85. Brother Yam6:59 PM

    Yes there is.

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  86. M. Krebs7:00 PM

    Here:https://youtu.be/-GugzLSbOQE


    You're welcome.

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  87. smut clyde7:01 PM

    seeking to use state power to punish anyone who refuses to lend their
    business services to wedding ceremonies they find objectionable. That's
    not persuasion, that's force,
    Yes, sometimes the state insists that businesspeople who offer a service must then fulfill their contract, rather than renege. Do libertarians have no idea what happens to economies when contracts are not enforced?

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  88. Ellis_Weiner7:02 PM

    "And it’s just starting."


    This is echt-Dreher. I bet (and probably Roy can confirm) that he's been moaning for years that this or that hellish trend "is just starting."

    And, I'll bet, each one has fizzled thereafter.


    This is the pro Christian victim in him. "Isn't this hideous? Okay, not for me, but for that stupid girl in Indiana? But SOON for me, and that's what's really important."

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  89. M. Krebs7:02 PM

    Triumphalism makes people stupid.

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  90. not merely content with the revolutionary step of removing state
    discrimination against same-sex couples in the legal recognition of
    marriage, but seeking to use state power to punish anyone who refuses to
    lend their business services to wedding ceremonies they find
    objectionable.

    Is it really that difficult to understand that "removing state discrimination" includes not denying the protection of the state to people on the basis of their sexual orientation?

    I'm really tired of business owners who believe that they have no obligation to the society in which they operate. Business owners have to apply for a license to operate. That license signals the permission of the community to engage in business within that community. As such, the State has a compelling interest in preventing discrimination against members of the community by business owners. That's the way we do things in America, because we find that it is the best way to protect the interests of the community. There was a time when a businessman could roll into town with his little wagon and sell bull semen mixed with sugar water and petroleum and call it medicine. I suppose that's the Libertarian paradise Matt Welch longs to recover.

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  91. tigrismus7:07 PM

    Indeed

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  92. There was a time when a businessman could roll into town with his little
    wagon and sell bull semen mixed with sugar water and petroleum and call
    it medicine. I suppose that's the Libertarian paradise Matt Welch
    longs to recover.


    Well, the bull semen part, anyway.

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  93. Adrian7:09 PM

    As the pool of anti-gay bigots shrinks; the crazy gets more concentrated.

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  94. LittlePig7:11 PM

    On a more serious note, you are of course quite right. Spite is their weapon, one of the Trinity of Ronaldus Maximus (although with Hate and Fear - the father, the son, and the Holy Shit! you kidding me?). They are having to make hurt fee-fees from whole cloth, and jeez do they look pitiful. Heard Ed Whelan on Diane Rhem today, and I encourage his wide distribution because he was the biggest, the most collosal WATB this side of Goldberg spawnage. "The gays are winning the culture war!! But we won't go quitely into that dark night! "(seriously I'm not far from quotes here people) "the REAL salt-of-the-earth Amurikins will stand together"... etc. etc. etc.

    We're down to threats. "You'll be sorry you ever inconvenienced Whitey! You, and your little dog, too!".

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  95. LittlePig7:13 PM

    Nuh uh!

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  96. Matt Welch and his brethren ache for the days when they can gulp bull semen in situ.

    Libertarians: adorable little gulch gobblers.

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  97. Only if you drink it. And then brag about it.

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  98. Ellis_Weiner7:15 PM

    Once again, these morons post this crap like lazy high school students trying to bullshit their way through an essay test. Does anyone with an ounce of honesty and a gram of intelligence believe that "this attack" is about pizza crust and the "community"? Of course not. It's Johnny Douchebag making a stupid point with a fancy vocab because he didn't do the reading.

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  99. LittlePig7:17 PM

    So awesome.

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  100. sharculese7:23 PM

    social justice warrior predates GamerGate and describes a subset of tumblr users who compete with each other to see who can be the best opponent of oppression. but here's the thing, those people never leave tumblr, and outside of that context it has, like 'politically correct' become a lazy marker for resentment that other people think treating everyone equally is important.

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  101. Ellis_Weiner7:24 PM

    "...a subset of America that knows it has lost the culture wars."


    I can't impute that kind of awareness to them. The whining and the "arguments" are so hyperbolic, so inane, so obviously not true, that I can't believe they "know" much at all. They're not well-meaning people protesting an alarming state of affairs. They're pro/am victims who have discovered a cause, a community, a vocabulary, and an audience. They're never so happy as when they're miserable, and never so hopeful as when luxuriating in despair.

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  102. Gromet7:25 PM

    not merely content with the revolutionary step of removing state
    discrimination against same-sex couples in the legal recognition of
    marriage, but seeking to use state power to punish anyone who refuses



    It's all well and good to pass laws ending discrimination -- of course! But to actually enforce those laws? Sir, you go too far!

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  103. merl17:25 PM

    I'm pretty sure that if Middle Easterners were to move here and throw homosexuals off roofs, they're would be repercussions. Not a lot we can do about it if they stay in the Middle East.

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  104. I've definitely worked for small businesses in which the owner seemed to think that he was the ruler of some small Libertarian state where the laws of the outside world did not apply.

    Also... bull semen? How common was that in medicine-wagon concoctions? By coincidence, I recently read this little comic:

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  105. I didn't actually watch the clip, I Googled "Homos Go To Hell' on YouTube and it came up. There is no actual song there is there? Oh well, I guess I got caught phoning in my comments.

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  106. susanoftexas7:31 PM

    Evidently the closet has a revolving door.

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  107. "no mister florist, i expect you to die!"

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  108. Good NPR interview about how "Capitalist Jesus" was invented as a response to the New Deal. Fuck Billy Graham.


    How 'One Nation' Didn't Become 'Under God' Until The '50s Religious Revival
    http://www.wbur.org/npr/396365659/how-one-nation-didnt-become-under-god-until-the-50s-religious-revival

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  109. M. Krebs7:33 PM

    Seriously: Pizza at a gay wedding? Does not compute.

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  110. If tossing lines from shitty Ed Wood movies into casual conversation is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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  111. Considering the whining is coming from people who object to Middle Easterners moving here in the first place...

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  112. this will never, ever, ever get old.

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  113. LittlePig7:37 PM

    Don't fergit the little folks you leave behind...

    :)

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  114. LittlePig7:38 PM

    First one, then the other.

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  115. the fail that keeps giving!

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  116. LittlePig7:39 PM

    I believe it was actually a lesbian wedding, so the gals needed to carb up before the Honeymoon Triathlon.

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  117. I can see it now.


    Wingnut: "Mooslem Go Home"
    Muslim Jihadi: "Death to Fags!"
    Wingnut: "Perhaps we have misjudged you, welcome."

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  118. M. Krebs7:40 PM

    Triathalon? The mind reels.

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  119. downvoted for pineapple on pizza

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  120. JennOfArk7:42 PM

    I caught just a few minutes of that, but missed that it was Whinin' Whelan.

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  121. M. Krebs7:42 PM

    Downvoted for downvote for pineapple on pizza. :-p

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  122. Hey, I've always used that line about the Talibangevicals: why do they need us all to agree with them if they're so righteous? To them, simply disagreeing with them is persecution.


    It's always projection, I guess.

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  123. They were going to do a biathlon, only the skis got in the way.

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  124. glennisw7:45 PM

    Here’s what any traditional Christian business owner or employee with a brain in his or her head must do now: keep your mouth shut. Do not talk to the media.
    Well, yeah. Especially if you're going to say shit like "We plan to discriminate against gay people."

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  125. Giant Monster Gamera7:45 PM

    At some point, they'll be able to shake themselves into a container of water, stir, and serve any holdouts Kool-Aid.

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  126. M. Krebs7:45 PM

    Eh, fuck that Chicago shit. Gimme a nice German pizza with muscles, three dozen whole garlic cloves, and a big fucking whole egg in the center.

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  127. Would that wingnuttia would be populated by waddling robots who can only make fart noises.

    (So it's the wrong "Silent Running" so sue me)

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  128. here’s what any traditional pizza eater with a brain in his or her head must do now: keep your mouth shut.

    do not comment on alicublog. you will almost certainly not get a fair shake, and even if you do, it’s not going to matter. the pineapple justice mob will do what it can to destroy you. do not talk to anybody about your thoughts or opinions unless you know you can trust them not to out you...

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  129. "how quickly your livelihood can be taken from you in the cause of Social Justice™"



    Or how quickly you can raise like 100K on GoFundMe if idiots play into your grift.

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  130. Ruviana7:47 PM

    I want to make a quick run down to the local Lebanese take-out stand with this comment.

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  131. M. Krebs7:49 PM

    I think "unconnected party" = The Blaze.

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  132. glennisw7:51 PM

    "It's just starting" - Soon, we'll continue to do retail business with them!

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  133. the horror... the horror...

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  134. M. Krebs7:55 PM

    Fuck Billy Graham indeed. When I was a young sprout in the days before UHF, very couple of months one of the local (i.e., Atlanta) TV stations would preempt prime-time programming for another fucking Billy Graham "Crusade." And to preadolescents and other stupid people that shit really was charismatic. Talk about your indoctrination. Jesus.

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  135. LittlePig7:55 PM

    Buns und thighs, Ja!

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  136. M. Krebs7:56 PM

    May I borrow this?

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  137. For centuries bakers have had a hallowed bond with many of the worlds faith traditions.

    Many has been the pizza requested by pastafarians for their sacred rites.

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  138. The "icky" thing is a point that seems to not get made enough. I don't even believe these are religious beliefs, sincerely held or otherwise. They just think gay = icky, but they hide their simple bigotry behind one line in the bible to cover it up. This law was intended to give them additional cover. There's no religious freedom issue.

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  139. It's all about ethics in pineapple.

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  140. That's my name, but it's spelled differently, so I'm off the hook. For now. Phew.

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  141. Giant Monster Gamera7:59 PM

    Keep in mind that this is coming from people who think the four food groups are fried, sugar, cheese, and Double Dew.

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  142. redoubtagain8:01 PM

    They'll raise enough money to open a store in Kokomo?

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  143. LittlePig8:03 PM

    I had no idea who it was, but it started on borderline paranoia and went from there. There was a lady who was clearly the liberal advocate just pointed out the (damn near innumerable) inconsistencies, while Ed talks about 'You can't make a delicatessen serve a pork plate! Haha gotcha there!" (again, honest to God that was his real true point). Ron Elving and Garrett Epps were there as well, and after their initial flummoxing (Do what? came in over the radio), pointed out that Ed was stuffed absolutely full of wild blueberry muffins.

    I found out afterwards, when I went, whoin the hell was that rhetorical cancer on the body politic. 'Edward Whelan'...no click there... 'Of the National Review Online law review'. Much sweet laughter ensuded.

    Diane had to kill the damn mike, as in 'cutting to commerical' kill the damn mike, because when he finally got the floor he was damned if he was going to let go of it.

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  144. Oh, so now they are worried about people being shunned, humiliated, attacked, or losing their livelihoods? What evil is next? Gay Bakers and Photographers refusing to "lend" their services to Christian Weddings? No more Queer Eye for the Catholic Guy?

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  145. glennisw8:07 PM

    Curious about that - how much of that is pledges that will not be cashed?
    And what does a $200,000 windfall do to their taxes?

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  146. What happened for being a Martyrhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr for the faith?

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  147. JennOfArk8:09 PM

    Gifts aren't taxable.

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  148. Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

    A Republican newsletter in Bonneville County, Idaho warned that Muslims
    were "infiltrating" the state and urged readers to put pressure on law
    enforcement to investigate Muslims, the Idaho Statesman newspaper reported on Thursday.


    I mean, Idaho? The fuck?

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  149. John Wesley Hardin8:10 PM

    Sure, as long as you don't like pizza. :P

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  150. I have the feeling Kickstarter is getting much the same reputation in RPG circles.

    Or maybe not, it's been ages since I've been following the latest RPG butthurt-a-thon.

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  151. M. Krebs8:13 PM

    Kokomo? Well, of course, if we're talking about an enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus.

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  152. John Wesley Hardin8:13 PM

    I would like to extend an H1B visa to this comment so it can move to this country and put a native comment out of a job.

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  153. M. Krebs8:15 PM

    Them Muslims, they're very clever.

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  154. This is actually an argument I nearly had, except i gave up, with the asshole over at Mollie Hemingway's piece. Because not understanding how laws are actually written he thought it was a point in the law's favor that it didn't specifically mention gay people or weddings--therefore, he thought, you couldn't locate the bigotry anywhere so it couldn't be shown to exist. I just didn't have time to dig up and review any of the Con Law I had a thousand years ago, or the anthropology of law, on the subject of the writing of laws, laws that forbid or laws that permit, or how not limiting a law like this to a specific named, behavior makes it more dangerous not less. Because,honestly, I knew he was both too stupid and too evil to understand.

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  155. Giant Monster Gamera8:16 PM

    You can't be a martyr and collect wingnut welfare at the same time.

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  156. John Wesley Hardin8:17 PM

    That's great.

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  157. Yes, "lend" was an interesting choice there. Do businesses "lend" their services?

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  158. Well, of course, if we're talking about an enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus.

    But enough of E. Erickson.

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  159. stepped pyramids8:18 PM

    These days I just feel sorry for Treacher. A while back he posted a real cri du coeur on Twitter that made it clear how his aimless, vicious trolling is rooted in a deep unhappiness and anger with how his life has turned out. He is personally angry at liberals, who he sees as smug, vicious snakes, and will do anything in his power to lash out at them. He's suffered a pretty clear decline over the years, from Limbaugh-esque 'happy prankster' to Breitbart-esque mess.

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  160. How clever are they to try to move to Idaho?

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  161. Doesn't it depend on the size of the gift?

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  162. M. Krebs8:20 PM

    They go where you don't expect to go.

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  163. Depends on who the wingnuts hate more, I reckon.

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  164. John Wesley Hardin8:21 PM

    "And it's the best fucking entertainment in the world." Until they blow it up/burn it down and take us all with them.

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  165. We shall fight them in the bakeries, We shall fight in the Florists' stores, we shall fight in the pizza parlors and on Twitter, we will never allow a gay to cram a food or flower order down our throats!

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  166. JennOfArk8:26 PM

    One of the many things I love about Diane.


    Another being that she gets a caller from Little Rock pretty much every damn day.

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  167. John Wesley Hardin8:26 PM

    "They don’t have the guts to go after Muslims," unlike this dickbag, who probably thinks boots on the ground* in Syria and/or Iraq is a fucking awesome idea.


    *Somebody else's boots, natch. Not his. Never his.

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  168. This may not be the America the gay rights movement and its allies, especially in the media, wanted. But this is the America they have created. What?


    They're so mad that the gays are fighting back, and winning! They've had such success nibbling and grinding away women's abortion rights, they think their sly wiles will work on everyone; but they haven't managed to confuse & divide gays the way they've divided women. I hope the women's movement will watch the gay rights movement closely, cause their strategy is a good one.

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  169. But does it have a cool, Japanese Anime-version of "The 666 Beast"?

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  170. tigrismus8:31 PM

    No, you must do what I did and steal it.

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  171. "the" asshole over at mollie hemingway's piece? there was just one?

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  172. Send a copy to Senator Warren!

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  173. Yeah but what about florists and photographers? How hallow are they? I'd really like to know.

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  174. We are approaching the cornered animal stage, I'm afraid.


    Which probably is the proverbial Peak Wingnut.

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  175. John Wesley Hardin8:36 PM

    The plan is obvious. Take over a county or part of the state, institute Sharia law and then? They'll have their own private Islamic Idaho.

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  176. "Christian" and "brain" don't really belong in the same universe.

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  177. John Wesley Hardin8:37 PM

    How long before the crystals get too big to pass?

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  178. Ubu Imperator8:37 PM

    The scare quotes are a particularly nice touch, as if these gay "people" actually care about their "rights".

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  179. JennOfArk8:38 PM

    nope. You can receive a gift of any size tax free. The giver, however, can only escape taxation on the first $12K or so.

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  180. The US wedding industry is so huge, so lucrative, its hard to imagine them supporting the anti-gay wedding bigots.
    DO people actually have pizza at weddings?

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  181. But does it have a cool, Japanese anime-version of "The 666 Beast" on the other side?


    Mentioning this and not linking to it - I think that violates the Geneva Conventions.

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  182. Not a parent, I assume.

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  183. Wait'll the plaids show up.

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  184. He did not want to understand. He has his faith.

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  185. DocAmazing8:52 PM

    If they did, I might go to more weddings.

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  186. Oh, they have amusing last resort "arguments" from birth rates and 'genetics' that their side will win. Apparently religiosity is "heritable". Why this "heritability" has seemingly changed from 90% to 50% and perhaps now down to 30% of the next generation turning religious across a single century presents a certain difficulty to the theory. if not, they want to outbreed the unbelievers anyway. They hate Eugenics and yet would love to practice it themselves. Though that seems to some of us obvious dysgenics.


    Rod of the Drehers is about to write his next book about his previous vaporware concept, the "Benedict Option". From being a long time train wreck watcher, aka reader of his blog, I can easily predict what's in it. It's his attempt to complement Douthat's "Bad Religion", which basically suggests that conservative American Christians resort to recapitulating the Communist strategy of seemingly benign public propaganda organizations and public charity to recruit followers. With an internal cell structure to do the dirty work of undermining the secularist order by generating stealth political candidates and parties, propaganda and art and such, intensifying the contradictions, and hanging in there until the Glorious Reconversion. Being a Catholic he doesn't have to hint at what the best equivalents to the ComIntern and Kremlin will be. (If you enjoy annoying triumphalist Christians online, ask them why Christianity is geographically recapitulating the 1970s state of Communism- collapsing in Western Europe, championed but in deep trouble in much of Eastern Europe, dominant but tenuous in China, spreading in Southeast Asia and Africa....)


    Rod's part is going to be about small bore strategy- how to keep your family and friends/congregation indoctrinated while retaining some 21st century social competences. This will involve long visits at all-male monasteries in rural Italy, villages in rural Oklahoma and Alaska, and long point-missing ruminations about the Chasids, Brahmans, Tibetan Buddhism, Shakers, Jews generally, the Internet, and oral traditions. (He's never understood Quakers, and never will, who invented and have long employed the wheel he thinks he's inventing.) Also, about taking long vacations engaged in foodie tourism spiritual retreats while doing your worldly business and getting remuneration in New York City and Paris if at all possible. He used to give talks on the Orthodox Church lecture circuit entitled "How To Keep Your House A Monastery". (I pity his children.) In short, the usual clusterfuck posing as a book of advice.


    But yes, Rod and his crowd are basically and painfully the type Eric Hoffer calls 'the fanatics' in "The True Believer". Hoffer's fanatic cannot be convinced, he can only be converted from championing one doctrine he doesn't quite understand which has failed to championing another doctrine he can't quite understand which is not failing yet. Because in the end, it's all about denial and escapism from unwanted Self. And the worthlessness of the present relative to some desired future. In Rod's case, his current book is precisely that. As is his religion. It's cruel how well Hoffer understood and described his type.

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  187. DocAmazing8:56 PM

    "Blessed are the cheesemakers?"

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  188. Those are about the exact quotes at Dreher & Friends too.


    Eventually, of course, the real Christians will come back & they'll all be vindicated. (Which only reminded me of the Underpeople in the Instrumentality flashing the sign o' the fish at each other.)

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  189. DocAmazing9:02 PM

    They're easy to spot.

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  190. DocAmazing9:05 PM

    Rod's part is going to be about small bore strategy

    From each according to his abilities...

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  191. smut clyde9:08 PM

    Well-plaid sir.

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  192. By the way, does anyone here approve of pizza shops getting death threats? I didn't think so.

    I dunno... I went to Frank Pepe's location in Yonkers and they were out of clams... I kid, the spinach, mushroom, and Gorgonzola pizza is divine.

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  193. smut clyde9:10 PM

    I hate it when someone remembers the apposite Oglaf before I do.

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  194. I don't think they're pledges, it's actual credit card/paypal/whatever money donated.

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  195. smut clyde9:16 PM

    "Leftists use Gay people as blunt instruments to hammer only Christens,"


    I have tried to use them as watchmaker screwdrivers but it DOESN'T WORK.


    "Christens"? I checked. Ott did indeed write "Christens".

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