I’ll reserve any serious comment on the film until after I have seen it – I guess I’m just not up to the standards of The New Republic –Haw haw.
– but whether or not American Sniper is “pro-war,” it appears to be resolutely and proudly pro-soldier. And that is a giant factor in moviegoers’ enthusiastic embrace of it. Note that American Sniper isn’t afraid to showcase the painful and difficult parts of military life for soldiers and their families, and my suspicion is that audiences love that part, too – because showing the pain makes it honest. Clint Eastwood, Bradley Cooper and company don’t want to tell you only one part of Chris Kyle’s story. They want to paint as complete a picture as they can in the running time that they have. If you made the story about the battlefront, without the home front, or vice versa, you would only be telling about half the story.So in the very next breath, Geraghty reviews the film he didn't see -- though I suppose "serious comment" is the crossed fingers behind his back. (This is the sort of thing I did as a kid when I wanted to pretend I had seen some big movie of the moment. I wonder if adults do this anywhere but in the pages of rightwing magazines.)
Geraghty also quotes TruthRevolt rageclown Kurt Schlichter on the subject and it's every bit the table-pounder you'd expect, with yips about "the narrative" and Michael Moore Is Fat. (Set the Hot Tub Time Machine to 2004!) Best part:
Next, chunky iconoclast Seth Rogen weighed in with his observation that American Sniper reminded him of the fake Nazi propaganda film at the end of Inglorious Bastards. What a scumbag. This came after we conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him over The Interview – even to the extent of watching his piece of garbage on VOD – while his hero Barack Obama whined about people actually exercising their free speech rights.First, this supports my perception that the only part of arts journalism conservatives genuinely relate to is gossip columns. They don't know what art is, but they sure know who did what to whom! Second, it figures that Schlichter would be enraged that Rogen didn't repay the debt Schlichter imagines he owes "we conservatives" for yelling about North Korea in blogs and switching off porn for a couple of hours to watch this bro-com. Everything is politics to these people; movies, plays, novels, and choc-o-mut ice creams have no value for them except as symbols on a bloody flag to wave at their base. Sometimes I think when they relax at home in front of the TV, they actually watch a placard that says HOME ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT (CONSERVATIVE).
Hopefully by the time I get to the theater they'll be yelling about some painter who made Jesus look bad or something, and I can watch my movie in peace.
Hopefully by the time I get to the theater they'll be yelling about some painter who made Jesus look bad or something, and I can watch my movie in peace.
ReplyDeleteKnow conservatives? No peace.
National Review Online: Midnight at the Intersection of Stupid and Evil.
ReplyDeleteThe criminally stupid are buried at the crossroads.
ReplyDelete"This came after we conservatives stood with him--"
ReplyDeleteWe got all the way up out of our chairs. And this is the thanks we get.
Or they sat and typed and then sat and watched a movie on their computer. I don't remember them sitting and typing about how great the movie was, however. I must have missed all those posts.
ReplyDeleteRichard Linklater and Wes Anderson are so fucked.
ReplyDelete"while his hero Barack Obama whined about people actually exercising their free speech rights"
ReplyDeleteWhich parallel earth was this on? On mine, Obama referred to the movie being pulled as "a mistake".
I believe that's actually from a comment the President made about the Paris shooting. A capable wingnut took a very long statement and snipped out a piece that, in isolation, made it look like the President was saying people shouldn't say what they think. Typical hack work.
ReplyDeleteThe only part of American Sniper I really want to see is the posthumous part, where Chris Kyle's estate has to pay Jesse Ventura a settlement for lying about him, and all the wingnuts lose their minds because "Jesse Ventura (a veteran himself) is stealing from Chris Kyle's widow and kids arg blarg," never mentioning it's because he libeled Ventura and refused to retract the lie.
ReplyDeleteIn wingnut world, making someone face a consequence for lying is the absolute worst crime a person can commit.
I'm surprised they're not carrying on about Conviced Felon Dinesh D'Souza's Oscar snub for America: Imagine the World Without Her, or has the propaganda window passed?
ReplyDeleteBTW Derelict, thanks for your comment on last thread - I had just read & responded before coming up to the new thread.
ReplyDeleteOf course Michael Moore exercising his free speech rights...but enough logic.
ReplyDeleteReally? The movie's about that guy?
ReplyDeleteReviewing films without watching them is going to be the next wave of conservative culture criticism. In the future, they won't consume media at all. A low-paid intern will be employed to type information about each film - director, principal cast, and a few choice keywords - into a program which will estimate its "conservative quotient." The results will then be sent to a culture critic council, who will use that data to create an approved list of films which - for a nominal subscription fee - will be instantly sent to potential viewers via email or text message.
ReplyDeleteWant to watch a film on that list? No problem. The same service will connect right-minded conservatives with film-watching buddies in their area. For $20 per thirty minutes or portion thereof (almost 10% of which is guaranteed to go to the person doing the work), your buddy will watch the film with you and rationalize why it's really conservative, thereby clearing you of any guilt you may accrue over enjoying liberal cinema.
To be fair, Moore is a colossal prick who at this point is baiting anyone who might point a camera at him.
ReplyDeleteYep. I should note there's been some questions about Kyle's veracity in other matters, such as the story he told about shooting and killing a guy trying to steal his truck - according to law enforcement, it never happened.
ReplyDeleteWhereupon said chairs were immediately showcased at the Republican National Convention.
ReplyDeletemy suspicion is that audiences love that part, too – because showing
ReplyDeletethe pain makes it honest.
Provided you don't get carried away with that shit, keep your focus on the gringos.
Do not, whatever you do, show the feelings of people who were minding their own fucking business when Bush II cried Havoc! and suddenly were up to their ears in heavily armed funny looking SOBs who don't even speak the language, but shout and wave guns so big it must fire projectiles the size of bowling balls and the house where they grew up has been reduced to two walls and part of a floor and the power is out and the water is brown (when it runs) and they count themselves lucky when they and theirs get from sunrise to sunset without being killed, maimed, sexually assaulted or dragged off for a little light torture.
That would make your he-man vicarious fap fest for the dumbshits who sat at home into limp-wristed liberal tripe and we don't want that.
Look what's for dinner.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder they love him.
ReplyDeleteIsn't Bradley Cooper worried about getting typecast as an imaginary gun-toting cartoon character?
ReplyDeleteTastes like chickenhawk.
ReplyDeletePain in war only happens to white people.
ReplyDeleteThe Right will be using political commissars to vet media before they consume it?
ReplyDeleteHow very 1930s Stalinist of them!
Or his claims* of killing thirty looter in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. You'd think somebody would have remembered having to clean that up, wouldn't you?
ReplyDeleteKyle's funeral was held in the fucking Cowboys Stadium. I challenge you to read the description of it without being strongly reminded of fascist rallies.
Positioned in the middle of the stage was Kyle’s battle cross: a geometric arrangement of his boots, his helmet, and his Kevlar jacket (with the Punisher logo). Nobody who stepped to the lectern that
day—including Randy Travis, who sang “Amazing Grace”—introduced himself....The chaplain referred to Kyle as a “husband, father, son, brother,
friend, teammate, and righteous, mighty, victorious warrior.”...The next morning, Kyle’s family and friends travelled to Austin for a
state burial; the funeral procession is said to have stretched two
hundred miles.
No wonder the right (who shit half a cinderblock over Paul Wellstone's funeral, remember that?) loves this guy: a nearly psychopathic killer who's got a dubious relationship with the truth and loved the GOP enough to work for Sarah Palin. Best of all, he's stone dead and unable to argue with any of the shit they're hanging around his neck.
*Taken from the New Yorker article, which someone over at Lawyers, Guns, and Money recommended over the movie:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
we conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him over The Interview – even to the extent of watching his piece of garbage on VOD
ReplyDeleteOh, wait, what now? I thought watching The Interview was the most patriotic thing a human being an America could do, and now you're telling me I was smart to have missed it? GOSH, almost like Sony released a shitty movie and relied on the press to hype it so gullible idiots would watch it...
And I love the "stood with" assertion, like sitting on your useless flathead ass and streaming a video over Netflix is some kind of brave revolutionary act, which, you know, I suppose it is in Wingnut World where liberals are supposed to collapse in fear upon seeing someone eat choc-o-mutt ice cream and read Tom Clancy. BECAUSE CONSERVATIVE.
Hey, yet more reasons to stay the hell out of Texas.
ReplyDeleteAs if I needed them.
" This came after we conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him over The Interview – even to the extent of watching his piece of garbage on VOD..."
ReplyDeleteOh man, a couch-potato warrior? There isn't enough internet to mock this new genre of conservative hero.
"Clint Eastwood, Bradley Cooper and company don’t want to tell you only one part of Chris Kyle’s story"
ReplyDeleteA TWO DIMENSIONAL CHARACTER PEOPLE!!1! FILM-MAKING WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. THANKS, CLINT!!!1! (
Nobody who stepped to the lectern that
ReplyDeleteday—including Randy Travis, who sang “Horst Wessel Lied”—introduced himself....
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Eh - I'm waiting for the film or mini-series adaptation of Colby Buzzell's My War. Not only is it an Iraq War memoir NOT written by a Navy SEAL, it also doesn't read like the author was auditioning for the WWE or UFC. I mean, I'm not demanding something on the level of The Seven Pillars of Wisdom, but for fuck's sake...
ReplyDeleteDoes beg the question, do conservatives think they are "standing with" godless libruhl hollyweird every time they go to the movies?
ReplyDeleteI have thrown my life away. I could be paid to write movie reviews for a national publication! Instead, I'm tortured by self-doubt, feelings of inadequacy, by the conviction that the world doesn't want my opinion of a movie--and why? Simply because I've never seen it! Why do I let these tiny, irrelevant things thwart my chance at super destiny!
ReplyDeleteConvicted Felon and Admitted Adulterer, thank you very much. . .
ReplyDeleteWell I wished I was in the sheets of cotton
Girlfriends there are not forgotten
Look away, look away, look away, Dixie wife
I just love the idea that watching a movie - a not-great comedy at that - is some kind of sacrificial act. I watched a whole bunch of Disney channel this weekend with my kids, how much of a hero am I?
ReplyDeleteWhen everybody else loves something, the allegedly “edgy” and “brave”
ReplyDeletething to do is to dislike it. Of course, our hipster-dominated pop
culture is so chock-full-of-lockstep free-thinkers going against the
same grain simultaneously that the only true modern iconoclasts are
conservatives.
And that must explain why a staggering seven of Rotten Tomatoes' "Top Critics" didn't like the movie. Out of a mere 40! Their art criticism isn't just Zhdanovite; their math is Stalinist.
because no one expects them to treat films or any other works of art as anything but propaganda
ReplyDeleteCue Killdozer!
'Uncompromising War on Art Under the Dictatorship of the Proletariat''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol5pDNjQ_tc
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This came after we conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him
ReplyDeleteAwesome!
ReplyDelete~
And here it is -
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNvqwMZ-nIs
I love how they think they're brave for hating Frozen or whatever. What world do these guys live in where they can tell themselves, "I just explained to a fan of Scorsese why I think he hasn't made a great movie since Goodfellas. That took courage." Sorry, but doesn't that just take having a fucking opinion?
ReplyDeleteHere we go, you guys: Schindler's List is uneven, surprisingly gutless, and trying too hard! Shawshank Redemption is absurdly overrated and Darabont is a hack! I found Chicago technically proficient but unmoving! Woody Allen can molest whoever he wants because he made Annie Hall! HAHA, I COULD DO THIS ALL DAY! I AM SO BRAVE! WHERE'S MY MEDAL?
Killing to protect property is OK provided you only kill ~cough~ looters ~cough~. Shooting honest Americans who were borrowing TVs and bread would be deplorable.
ReplyDeleteSame thing as when they whitesplain to Those People that Democrats are the real racists. (But You People are too stupid to get it, and that's why we have to keep you from voting.)
ReplyDelete~
So much asshole in one sentence. Vainglory, dehumanization, gross exaggeration of threat--it's the loser's trifecta.
ReplyDeleteBy showing the pain we redeem ourselves for our sins. Sure, we kill a lot of people for not much, if any, reason, but we (or our wargame avatars we call soldiers) suffer, confess our sins, undergo a public forgiveness and redemption, and sometimes are even canonized for the sins.
ReplyDeleteSo everything's cool. We have regained our moral virginity and nobody better try to strike back at us in revenge. That would be evil.
I was born in Mountain View, California. Eff 'em.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how long it will be until this little item disappears from NRO? Here's a taste, check it out while it is still there!
ReplyDeleteSocial media, even journalists, became downright hysterical, insulting Ventura and making knee-jerk defenses of Kyle — so hysterical, in fact, that facts and logic were outright nonexistent.
Consider a few of the frantic claims, along with the facts:
MYTH: He sued a widow! What a monster!
CNN’s Anderson Cooper got in on the outrage game, tweeting: “I cannot believe that Jesse Ventura successfully sued the widow of a fallen Navy SEAL. Has he no shame?”
Whoa, there. Ventura sued Kyle in 2012. Kyle died, tragically, about a year later. The lawsuit then shifted to Chris Kyle’s estate, for which his wife, Taya, is the executor. It is utterly normal for a lawsuit to shift onto the estate, especially when the estate has profited from the issue in dispute. Considering Taya herself has profited from the book (earnings are estimated at a whopping $6 million, thanks to royalties and rights), it stands to reason that the shift is appropriate.
Consider this: A decorated veteran publishes a book saying he fought
with someone in a bar after hearing the man say he worshiped the devil
and/or thinks child molesters are fine. During the book tour, the author
is asked to identify the monster and names you. It makes headlines,
helping propel the book’s sales. You file a defamation suit and, roughly
a year later, the author/veteran unexpectedly dies. His multimillion
dollar estate goes to his wife, an estate largely consisting of profits
from the book that defamed you. Do you drop the suit?
Of course not.
Another cool thing about the article - It completely dispels the myth these crap weasels can't reason their way out of a damp paper bag. They can, but they only do it when they want to.
The Incredibles is fascist.
ReplyDeleteHOME ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT (CONSERVATIVE)
ReplyDeleteI saw several moldy-looking cartons of that on the back of a Government Cheese truck one time. Nobody wanted any. One kid asked if they were like X-Boxes, or something, and I said yeah, if X-Boxes ran on kerosene, leaked, and always played the wrong game...
"Now see here, guy," said the voice, "you’re
ReplyDeletenot dealing with any dumb two-bit trigger-pumping morons with low hairlines, little piggy eyes and no conversation, we’re a couple of intelligent caring guys that you’d probably quite like if you met us socially! I don’t go around gratuitously shooting people and then bragging about it afterward in seedy space-rangers bars, like some cops I could mention! I go around shooting people gratuitously and then I agonize about it afterward for hours to my girlfriend!"
— Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
How "Sharper than a serpent's tooth" is the ingratitude of Hollywood. Dear Lord, compared to these whiners Lear was a stoic.
ReplyDelete"Hey, I interrupted my porn feed for a full 90 minutes to watch that liberal bait-and-switch, and this is the thanks I get? WOLVERINES!!!"
ReplyDeleteIf only there were an easy way to tell the difference between looters and real Americans at a glance.
ReplyDeleteNo one is upvoting our comments. We are too radical. Our brutal exile has begun!
ReplyDeleteNorks? Way to dehumanize there! Shit, it's okay to kill them all, it's not like they're real people?
ReplyDeleteFor hero status, it's gotta be Barney.
ReplyDeleteThat was awesome. We need more.In Dixie's Land, where I was boningearly on one frosty mornin'.Had to look away, look away, look away from Dixie Land!
ReplyDeleteI wish I weren't in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!In Dixie Land I cannot stand,to swell and die in Dixie.Away, away, away down south in Dixie!Away, away, away down south in Dixie!There's mistresses that could not be differ,Makes you stiff or (a little stiffer).Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie LandI wish I weren't in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!In Dixie Land I cannot stand,to swell and die in Dixie.Away, away, away down south in Dixie!Away, away, away down south in Dixie!So ho' it down and scratch your gravel,From Dixie's Land I'm bound to travel.Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land
I wish I weren't in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!In Dixie Land I cannot stand,to swell and die in Dixie.Away, away, away down south in Dixie!Away, away, away down south in Dixie!
Ruh-roh, that's going to have to be shoved down the memory hole!
ReplyDeleteChairborne ranger...
ReplyDeletego you packers go go
ReplyDeleteWHY must be we persecuted for our beliefs!
ReplyDeleteWell, JEEZ, I'm not upvoting any more of your comments then! pbbbbbllllttt
ReplyDeleteIn a letter written in his (Winslow Homer’s) old age, he wrote: “I looked through one of their (sniper) rifles once.’’ The experience, he said, “struck me as being as near murder as anything I ever could think of in connection with the army & I always had a horror of that branch of the service.’’ In the same letter, to demonstrate his point, he included a little drawing of a soldier seen in the crosshairs of a telescope. Beneath it he scrawled — as if channeling Goya’s “Yo lo vi’’ (“I saw it’’) in the “Disasters of War’’ etchings — “This is what I saw.’’
ReplyDeleteBTW, when did being a sniper mean you're a hero?
ReplyDeleteI mean, you pull that shit in any given FPS and you'll have thirteen-year-old trolls all over your ass for being "a fucking wimp-ass camper"!
Remember, conservatives were grousing that the Congressional Medal of Honor was "feminized" because it was awarded to soldiers who saved their comrades' lives.
ReplyDeleteChris Kyle was Charlie Hebdo with a rifle, not a pen.
ReplyDeleteOh, do please gimme a fucking break.
I have to say, Ed, that when you go scouting in the AAAs like this, it can be a lot funnier, but having your gob smacked as hard as this dipshit does can cause whiplash. We refer to this kind of stuff as weaponized stupid so often it's a bit jolting to encounter some of the real, 200 proof, .50 cal derp.
some painter who made Jesus look bad or something, and I can watch my movie in peace
ReplyDeleteSomehow, when I first saw this line I had this idea of a painter who was so good at painting that he made Jesus' carpentry work look pathetic in comparison. I don't know why I felt the need to share that, but now it's too late.
I'd like to teleport some of those fuckers to Sarajevo at the height of the Bosnian civil war and send them out on the sidewalks to hunt for fuel.
ReplyDeleteOh, I'd call this one Intermediate Range Ballistic Derp, along about 10 kilotons or so.
ReplyDeleteA shade above tactical, but not quite strategic yet.
In the World War 2 films the snipers were always on the other side. I also remember that in a lot of the films set in the Pacific the Japanese snipers had thick glasses - other than adding a grace note to a racist portrait as a kid it struck me as not too bright to make guys who couldn't see very well your snipers.
ReplyDeleteAnd nobody had better ask us to give a damn about the soldier who who lost a limb or can't sleep for the nightmares or suffer any other sort of misfortune because look, we already sniveled a bit during a movie, what the hell else do you want from us?!?
ReplyDeleteI wanna be a chairborne ranger!
ReplyDeleteLive a life of vicarious danger!
Fart!
Shill!
but we (or our wargame avatars we call soldiers) suffer, confess our
ReplyDeletesins, undergo a public forgiveness and redemption, and sometimes are
even canonized for the sins.Hell, include the Hooray-for-war-to-this-day deranged fascist-wannabe vets like Senator Tom Cotton, and the "suffer" part is optional. That's only for the failures who need counseling or gubmint assistance.
... Whoops, I did it again, belittling the military service of non-Democrats. Thank you for your service in Iraq, Senator Cotton, you pyschopathic theocratic piece of shit.
Or, as Dick Cheney put it: "They volunteered."
ReplyDeleteWell, during Katrina, the difference between "looters" and "foragers" was made abundantly clear...
ReplyDelete– but whether or not American Sniper is “pro-war,” it appears to be resolutely and proudly pro-soldier. And that is a giant factor in moviegoers’ enthusiastic embrace of it.
ReplyDeleteI was pro-soldier until Pat Tilman quoted Noam Chomsky, now I'm outraged over Born on the Fourth of July!
This doesn't even include the other and worse danger to those people. The fact that the assholes and gangsters in their society now run the place and you're lucky if your son or uncle or brother doesn't have one of these assholes take a power drill to his skull as a message to move. I imagine they had to think "realty used to be a much more civilized profession."
ReplyDeleteThanks Team America
I remember a lot of sneering during the start of Bush's excellent Afghanistan Adventure because snipers need equipment that isn't standard army kit, so their families were having to ask for donations.
ReplyDeleteBut when some bozo is running around a mall picking off shoppers, a sniper is exactly what I want to come to the rescue. I do not want a dozen jittery dumbfucks firing off at random.
Whether a sniper is "heroic" or not is always a gray area, and wholly depends on whether he's Ours or Theirs. Fortunately for conservatives, since Chris Kyle is no longer with us, they have the all-purpose shut down for any argument: "How DARE you disparage a dead soldier!!11!".
ReplyDeleteIt's ok. We're only disparaging him for slandering a living veteran.
ReplyDeleteThat's hardly just a wingnut thing, though. In every comment section of every movie/TV/music-related site ever, someone feels obliged to post the "[insert name of popular thing here] is really crap and anyone who says otherwise is just following the herd" sort of thing at least once a day, often followed by "Aha, people are arguing with me, so you can't stand dissent" etc.
ReplyDeleteThey're Keyboard Kommandos who no longer are even expected to type.
ReplyDeleteSo I understand that the guy on whom the protagonist is based got 'credit' for killing one hundred and sixty people. He is 'credited' also with the probable killing of forty additional people. I keep seeing the trailer that suggests it is sad that the guy didn't live to see his baby. Is it sad that that the 160 to 200 he people he killed won't get to see their babies?
ReplyDeleteThis film is so American. Brutality with a layer of sentimentality on top. Yum.
And as Americans, we'll just completely ignore the fact that Bush's Iraq Adventure set in motion all of the fucked-up forces we're contending with today. We wiped out the government of Iraq and replaced it with a weak-man kleptocracy, and in the process forced tens of thousands of newly minted refugees over the borders, thus destabilizing the neighbors. One of those neighbors pretty much collapsed (Syria), setting the stage for ISIS; the other neighbor (Jordan) has turned into a giant money-sucking humanitarian crisis who don't dare turn away from. And just WAIT until the current Saudi king keels over!
ReplyDeleteThanks Team America--for having the attention span of a goldfish and the memory capacity of a 128K Motorola chip.
It also took a secular and relatively liberal country and turned it into a breeding ground for religious extremists.
ReplyDeleteNo, no--just their brains are buried there. Somehow they manage to stagger onto the Fox News set where they inform us that Birmingham is the new Karachi...
ReplyDeleteWay down south in the land of cotton,
ReplyDeleteWingers eat shit and their breath smells rotten,
Look away, look away, look away, Dixieland....
Also, isn't Jesse Ventura 60 something? What kind of malfunction of a tough guy brags about beating up senior citizens in bars?
ReplyDeleteWhen the fetishization of all things military was recognized as an absolute necessity in the marketing of perpetual war.
ReplyDeleteWe give them parades, salutes/fly-overs at sports events and yellow-ribbon stickers! What more could they want?
ReplyDeletePuh-Leeze! These are the same asshats who were convinced they were fighting Al Qaeda by putting up blog posts. The same clodpates who believed themselves "in the line of fire" because they were in or near New York City. The same wads of used toilet paper who denigrated libruls as cowards and fifth-columnists while steadfastly refusing to actually fight in the wars they plumped for.
ReplyDeleteThe Keyboard Commandos
The 101st Fighting Chairborne
The Spartan of BlogSpot
In other words, morons.
Interestingly, the Japanese believed that they, as a race, had superior vision and especially superior night vision. The fact that they kicked the ass of the U.S. Navy during the first night engagement of the war (The Battle of Savo Sound) just reinforced this notion.
ReplyDeleteBy the time the second Battle of Savo Sound rolled around, the U.S. Navy was sporting much improved radar. The Japanese started losing ships before they even knew the battle had started.
I was really looking forward to seeing American Snipper- how many movies are there featuring a mohel as a hero?
ReplyDeleteA Payday Loan place outside of every post? Wait, they already have that.
ReplyDeleteThere's a joke about circumcising someone from 800 meters away in here somewhere... help a bastard out.
ReplyDeletehe was so good a shooter he could snip a foreskin at half a mile and he became the most well-respected mohel in Texas
ReplyDeleteWhich is saying a lot, since Texans for the most part probably are none too fond of them Jesus-killers.
ReplyDelete"He only... took... tips!"
ReplyDeleteand he was on some blood thinners at the time as he has problems with blood clots. Kyle was so great a puncher he could beat up Ventura in a bar fight and not leave any bruises, despite the blood thinners.
ReplyDeletewe are truly the Joe Lieberman of countries
ReplyDeleteUnlike him. Worst. American. Ever.
ReplyDeleteYes, but we removed a dictator, which trumps everything.
ReplyDeleteNow there's a movie where you'll need to wait to see the director's cut. Otherwise, the best part of the end winds up on the floor.
ReplyDeleteYou might say it's the White Man's Burden.
ReplyDeleteI learned that from Platoon. The Vietnam War was a tragedy because American soldiers got their heads screwed up.
ReplyDeleteFrankly I don't think I could sit through a movie where the protagonist brags about how many he killed, tells his fellow soldiers that Iraqi men should be shot on sight etc etc etc. without puking my guts out. The guy was a pig.
ReplyDeletewe conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him over The Interview
ReplyDelete"We watch crap movies for stupid reasons; therefore you should totally trust our movie recommendations (made without having watched the movie)."
How could you? Seen from afar it's the "real Americans" who are burning, looting, and sacking the rest of the world.
ReplyDeleteI would totally rate for a movie called New Zealand Snipper, about Dr Margaret Sparrow the veteran vasectomist. Even if I have to write the script herself.
ReplyDeleteIt's always been a thin red line. How else to describe the insane jealousy of Russia by the HUAC in the 50's. Tailgunner Joe only wanted his crew to be he determiner of everything good or bad.
ReplyDelete"Norks" is kind of like "Chicoms," a word I recall seeing in some GI Joe-type comic from my far-distant yoot. There's the grizzled, battle-weary Sarge, cigar butt clenched in his teeth, straps dangling from his bullet-dented helmet, "MOM" tattoo emblazoned on his bulging bicep, sweat rolling down his face lined with the terrors of war.
ReplyDelete"Norks. You can't fuckin' trust 'em. Now move out!"
they'll be yelling about some painter who made Jesus look bad or something, and I can watch my movie in peace
ReplyDeleteAh, but what happens when Tim Burton turns that painter's biography into a movie?!
I wonder (though only fleetingly) if the audience for whom Schlichter is writing is perhaps not interested in facts, or arguments, and only want to see their prejudices repeated for them. The idea that Obama is Seth Rogen's hero is an article of faith... part of the litany... rather than an empirical claim to be supported by evidence.
ReplyDeleteThen I think "Nah, couldn't be."
Just remember when you see the movie not to get up at the end and walk out. Correct procedure is to remain in your seat respectfully silent for a minute or two, then slowly rise and applaud. Almost like being in church. I have this on the authority of leading NRO warlover David French.
ReplyDeleteOh and cheer every time Kyle "pops a haji". One of French's commenters thought this was an integral part of the church-like experience.
And we still can't get a handle on Charlie Sheen's demons.
ReplyDeletethe church-like experience
ReplyDeleteOh just fucking shoot me now. Christ.
Sad news: there are still wingnuts who, even now, use the term "ChiComs".
ReplyDeletewe are truly the Joe Lieberman of countries
ReplyDeleteOh, now, that's cold.
Shorter McCarthy: "Those guys're brainwashing all the good ones!"
ReplyDeleteLifetime beat him to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OQkxeHodk
ReplyDeleteI remember WRAL playing Dixieland as a signoff when I was a kid. The torpid angel choir arrangement.
ReplyDeleteNot nearly enough de-nazification in the south.
And then I turned and saw John Swiftboat Kerry giving me the stinkeye, eating his arugula salad at the end of the bar. So I mozied on over...
ReplyDeleteOh, man. You must also remember Jesse Helms on WRAL.
ReplyDeleteGuess we forgot to stake them through where their hearts should have been.
ReplyDeleteYep. I think he was, or became a major shareholder in Capitol Broadcasting. Dummies ate his commentary slot up.
ReplyDeleteThey're pretty liberal now. I hope it's another hot poker up his dead, rotten ass. I'm supposed to be a distant relative of his. My Grandmother was from Monroe and despised the Helms. They were the jet trash of a whole region of trash.
From what I understand from my Facebook feed, no one is allowed to criticize this movie for any reason. It's not that I don't support the troops, but they are subject to criticism, right? What are they, the NYPD?
ReplyDeleteAll Japanese soldiers had thick glasses. They also pronounced the letter L like an R when speaking Engrish. And an awful lot of them were stranded alone on remote islands and didn't learn that the war was over until around 1965.
ReplyDeletelook I had to have a clod put in my pate for medical reasons, so please don't compare me to those people
ReplyDeleteThat New Yorker article is absolutely heart breaking. Interestingly enough I listened to a fascinating NPR interview with another ex soldier who was interviewed for the New Yorker piece because of his book on PTSD
ReplyDeleteThis guy, Morris, spoke incredibly beautifully about his reasons for going to war--which in retrospect he finds childish, stupid, and misguided. A desire to find meaning through exposure to violence, to find manhood at the end of experiences of death and suffering. He says that he originally thought that he would, in some sense, grow into the "person he wanted to be" a kind of "invincible hero" through his own fear, pain, and suffering in Iraq. But at the end of it all, and he says he tried to put a period to these beliefs with his book, he came to an understanding that there was no inherent meaning (no "metaphor") in the violence and death and suffering that he saw, or sought out, in war and war journalism. And that in the end he preferred to find meaning in relationships with other people, attentive to what they were saying, to accept and even relish the "boredom" of normal life instead of seeking meaning in thrill and violence. It makes an incredible contrast to the (sad) story of machismo, violence, and sentimental patriotic faux manly braggadocio of Kyle's life.
Before the American Psychiatric Association formally codified the disorder, in 1980, Vietnam vets who complained of flashbacks were routinely classified as paranoid schizophrenics, according to David Morris, a former marine and the author of a forthcoming book, “The Evil Hours: A Biography of P.T.S.D.” Many symptoms of the disorder—insomnia, depression, flashes of terror—are shared by other forms of mental illness.
I think the word you are looking for is "ankledover..."
ReplyDeleteI think the sentimentality is underneath--after you peel back the brutality the viewer and the sniper both dissolve into self pitying tears. In the New Yorker article Kyle postures, bullies, fights, and kills without remorse and then is saddened and disturbed by the deaths of his comrades who are shot to death before his eyes. This never, ever, disturbs his vision (apparently) of a world in which killing muslims for christ is an unadulterated good and macho bar fights must be engaged in so he didn't loose face in front of "his boys."
ReplyDeleteAt least the poor kid who shot Kyle seems to have been actively disturbed by the killing he saw (and participated in) in Iraq--he told his father he might have had to kill a child--and he was destroyed by the suffering he saw in Haiti.
Slow clap required.
ReplyDeleteAppomattox was just a brief pause in the ongoing hostilities.
ReplyDeleteStill has a way to go to match the Brits former habit of calling every denizen of the Middle East "Johnny Arab".
ReplyDeleteAlso Lee Malvo, or whatever his name was, really didn't get any respect for being a pretty good sniper. I wonder why.
ReplyDeleteOn you it looks good.
ReplyDeleteSurely (although I don't have time to write it) there's a country-western song in "The Most Respected Mohel in Texas." Something something "foreskin," something something "your skin," something something "horsin' around." Etc.
ReplyDelete"Mr. Kinky "Ride 'Em Jewboy" Friedman to courtesy Alicuphone, pleeez. Mr. Kinky Friedman -"
ReplyDeleteThey fled in terror a long time ago. It was the first reverse exorcism in history.
ReplyDeleteSome sat and typed; others sat and wiped. Who's to say which sacrifice the greater?
ReplyDeleteIt takes balls to pitch that storyline.
ReplyDeleteConsidering how many huge dickheads there are in Texas, it's a target-rich environment.
ReplyDeleteOh, and buck teeth, can't forget the buck teeth.
ReplyDeleteAlmost like being in church? They don't even attend the opera like that anymore. (Instead they run for the nearest exit as soon as the curtain falls.)
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the Japanese language does not contain an "L" sound made it impossible for them to pronounce words containing that letter. Late in the war, US submarines performing lifeguard missions (picking up downed aircrew) developed a whole system of navigation fixes containing the letter "L" in the name. This made it impossible for the Japanese to vector subs into traps as the sub crews could hear the defective "L" sound.
ReplyDeleteThis is the third time today that my WWII sub history has come in handy!
I left that part out. I didn't want to appear racist.
ReplyDeleteI was gonna go with "Somethings Wrong With The Beaver"
ReplyDeleteSometimes I think when [conservatives] relax at home in front of the TV...
ReplyDeleteAssumes facts not in evidence. Conservatives never relax.
This came after we conservatives stood with him when the Norks threatened him over The Interview – even to the extent of watching his piece of garbage on VOD – while his hero Barack Obama whined about people actually exercising their free speech rights.
ReplyDeleteIf the Kenyan Usurper "whined" about anything, it was Sony's decision at the time to shelve the movie - which is to say, people not exercising their free speech rights. Some of these people are so dedicated to lying with each breath that their waitresses must learn to bring them what they say they won't have.
Of course we removed him. His warranty had expired.
ReplyDeleteJust so. Todah rabah.
ReplyDeleteA desire to find meaning through exposure to violence, to find manhood at the end of experiences of death and suffering.
ReplyDeleteStupid and misguided, sure, but with a strong appeal to young men. If we'd stayed in Iraq longer for the Bush I era Gulf War I might have volunteered. Or - and this is a strong possibility - I might have decided that I preferred sleeping past 4AM and not being shot at. The thing is, I at least gave war-as-character-building-exercise some serious thought. Many others, I'd guess, go through with it and come to regret it when it's too late.
I think that's their official CIA/NSA/State Dept designation. Every country gets one. South Korea is probably SOK or SOUK. I've always thought it was perfect, but then I'm thinking of the Kims and their Geriatric Generals, not the millions still under their heels. Then again, you can't really dehumanize the Kim regimes, can you? They've done that for us...
ReplyDeleteClint Eastwood, Bradley Cooper and company don’t want to tell you only one part of Chris Kyle’s story
ReplyDeleteUm, actually, Spielberg was running up the budget trying to tell "the rest of the story", which concerned an enemy sniper who was after Kyle. The studio said no, too much money, and Eastwood was brought in. Enemy sniper all but disappeared
ITEM: Jim Geraghty admitted to hospital with broken arm; patting self on back trend continues
ReplyDeleteLet me know when they decide who Charlie Hebdo with a dildo is.
ReplyDelete"OK, give 'em the password, doc."
ReplyDelete"Yeah, I'd better disguise my voice...
'ey-uh, Joe! Who won-a second-a-world war, you so smart?'"
"Not Responsible."
"Park and Lock It."
"Hey, it's okay, sir, that's Pico & Alvarado. Come on in, boys."
Now, on my street there's a doctor
ReplyDeleteHe specializes in Bris
He doesn't make too much on salary
But you wouldn't believe all the tips
Gefilte Joe & The Fish
Fairfax Avenue
Hey, as long as it pisses off liberals...Win!
ReplyDelete(i.e. the End Zone dance from Atlas Juggs, Dana Loach, Teddy-Boy "Pants" Nugent, et al. should be getting underway any minute).
Honestly this attitude annoys me to no end. You want to do something for your country? Fine, go volunteer at a VA hospital or something. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and stop pretending you're a hero for sitting on your ass eating popcorn for two hours.
ReplyDeleteCharlie Hebdo with a dildogun, then.
ReplyDeleteI want to see what's on the cutting-room floor.
ReplyDeleteTwo of them even
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely--we are meaning making creatures and we make meaning out of our lives, wherever and however they occur. But one of the points he was making is that war and violence weren't something that he had to endure, and therefore had to make integral to his sense of being and the narrative of his life. But something that he sought out, that he romanticized, that he yearned for, because of the ways others (and its really clear that this was true of Kyle's hyper masculine fantasist family and culture) people validated this belief, insisted on it.
ReplyDeleteYou think watching the disney channel was hard? Well-I tore open a package of King Arthur Flour and cured cancer! Don't believe me? Says so right on the package!
ReplyDelete"Good Cookies Can Help Cure Kids' Cancer...Becoming a bake sale hero is easy. Just go to BakeSaleHeroes.com and learn how you can get involved."
Sure--it sounds easy to someone who doesn't bake. But those buttery snickerdoodls took twenty-five minutes of hands on time.
But in this cycle if you just wait a while the afterglow fades and Juggs, Lach, etc...are perenially dissapointed to discover that whatever the most recent form of tribal identification, though not fading away, doesn't serve as any kind of real impetus to action. See, e.g. 300, An American Carol, Whatever dregs they managed to make of Ayn Rand.
ReplyDeleteHere's an early treatise on war as a character-building exercise: http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.html.
ReplyDeleteIt almost makes you wonder, not how we came down from the trees, but why.
Shoreline, represent!
ReplyDeleteI know the thread has moved on, but I feel compelled from time to time to bring up a Zogby/Lemoyne College poll done in 2006 and released in early 2007 that asked soldiers actually in Iraq why they thought they were there. Almost 90% of them answered that it was to avenge Saddam Hussein's role in the 9/11 attacks. Never underestimate the power of bullshit to motivate and channel youthful idealism.
ReplyDeleteHey, you cut off the New Yorker quote just before you got to the good part: some shitbag holyman beseeching his loving God to use His righteous instrument, the Great State o' Texas, to execute the guy who shot Kyle, as soon as possible.
ReplyDelete(At least to judge by the article, the shooter is hopelessly insane. But then Texas has made it abundantly clear that it has no qualms about executing actually innocent people, so there's no reason for the state to deprive its citizens of their favorite form of entertainment just because the guy's mentally ill.)
Butter? AUUGH... just imagine the courage it takes to risk the coronary artery disease you'll get from EATING one!!
ReplyDeleteJohnny Arab
ReplyDeleteHow I love him
And I hope that someday he'll love me
And together we will see
How lovely jihad can be.
Sounds like you actually got off your ass. I'm not impressed.
ReplyDeleteIf they concentrated on the enemy sniper too, then it would have been a remake of 'Enemy at the gates'.
ReplyDeleteChris Kyle's self-mythologizing has always been pretty apparent, but that article does a great job of humanizing Eddie Routh, the veteran who shot Kyle. It's infuriating how Routh only went to Kyle after months of his family trying to get him appropriate help.
ReplyDeleteI just watched part of a clip where Conan O'Brien interviewed Kyle, and although he's pretty soft-spoken and aw-shucks in it, he's also wearing a sweater with the skull logo of The Punisher on it. I'm a bigger fanboy than most, and even I find that a little embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteI can judge Jim Geraghty without reading a word he's written, just by his NRO mug shot; he's got the same self-satisfied, not-quite-a-smirk-but-he's-always-got-one-cued-up look that Doughy Pantload sports, plus the entitled expectant look of an undergraduate who is listening to an adjunct explain why he's failing a gut course but believes that he'll get the grade inflated anyway. But, of course, I had to go ahead and get at least one foot out of the boat:
ReplyDeleteThink about how important it is that the film is enthusiastically endorsed by Taya Kyle, widow of Chris Kyle, and that she’s been attending the premiere and publicly praising the film. It shakes off that last nagging doubt that this film is somehow exploiting or inappropriately profiting from the extraordinarily life of Kyle.
From the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on the film: "His widow Taya Renae Kyle was heavily involved with the making of the film." The very first fucking paragraph.
Well--the bureaucracy, the VA, the doctors, and our shitty health care system failed him and his family spectacularly and his poor mother turned to Kyle because the idea that the son's "problem" was something that his "buddies" could cure was so strong--almost an ideology for Kyle and the others involved in their various stupid "shoot animals to combat PTSD" movement. The whole idea of taking the guy out to a shooting range was so nuts--given that his family had already literally wrestled guns away from him, carried them out of the house so he couldn't shoot himself or someone else.
ReplyDeletePart of what was happening was a toxic mixture of American "can-do" amateurism--surely there's n othing that Psy-Chol-O-Gee and that Freud guy, or medicine, can tell you about dealing with a shootin' war. Surely a good christian man who loves huntin' fishin' and brawlin' is the best counselor for someone hideously scarred by having to pile dead bodies into mass graves. Its just common sense.
Nicely done. But maybe we infected Iraq?
ReplyDeleteThe Punisher was their totemic object in Iraq--the whole of his team/troop used the logo and the concept to represent themselves to themselves and the Iraqis. If real people--Iraqis--hadn't been killed and people like Routh permanently deformed by the war it would be funny. Like watching a grown man practice his quick draw in the mirror shouting "pew! pew!"
ReplyDeleteDr. Ruth was a sniper. Mostly because she was so short.
ReplyDeleteI'm fairly sure that in his media appearances Kyle was sporting the logo of his fledgling security contractor business - said logo being a swipe of the Punisher's insignia. In the USA, it's never too soon to start establishing a personal brand, I suppose.
ReplyDeleteThe Ballad of the Yellow Berets?
ReplyDeleteNice way to dehumanize a population oppressed by a ridiculous but vicious dictator. If you don't actually give a shit about the horrible treatment of the North Korean PEOPLE, it's easy to dismiss them as just a bunch of "Norks" and fantasize about dropping a bomb on them.
ReplyDeleteOr Oliver Stone's
ReplyDeleteThat's weird, not to make a big deal, but I thought Stone did a pretty good job explaining that Vietnam screwed up mens' heads, because of what they did to the Vietnamese. Unless you think the movie is charitable to Bunny and burning that village (where the narrator says that village stood for a thousand years until they got there and destroyed it).
ReplyDeleteOliver Stone, after all, visited Vietnam before enlisting and spending two tours there, which sort of radicalized him
Do we just run a heavy electromagnet over Cheney?
ReplyDeleteAnd, maybe I was raised in a different kind of fundamentalist church, but what kind of minister calls for the death of someone from the pulpit, especially since that "someone" is clearly psychotic and suffering from extensive PTSD?
ReplyDeleteAs an atheist, I like to think I am unsurprised at stupid religious things, but I must admit to being shocked and surprised that a "man og God" would proclaim himself a bloodthirsty asshat so eagerly
"Norks" kinda reminds me of "gooks," another happy epithet Americans came up with to make it easier for us to kill innocent Asian civilians.
ReplyDeleteAnd the EATG would have been us, US...
ReplyDeleteIsn't it funny how right-wingers will almost universally defend their own no matter how much of an asshole they become, but we demand standards of behaviour and write people off as terminal assholes if they don't measure up (see also Nader, Ralph, former consumer advocate turned narcissistic Republican shill)??
ReplyDeleteWhere I come from, "norks" is a slang term for breasts. Discuss.
ReplyDeleteCharlie Hebdo with a dildo...in the Library!
ReplyDeleteJust because she's trying to make millions of dollars doesn't mean she's exploiting anything. It just means she really really really really really wants to get the story told
ReplyDeleteAnd get paid a lot of money
They are just so against Obama that they're convinced that if they arefor it," the. he's against it. They like their mom, Battack Obama hates their mom. They like dessert; obama must hate it, etc
ReplyDeleteThey will, after they extol their love of Christ's goodness and peace.
ReplyDeleteRemember, this dude not only bragged about killing 200+ people in his life, he also claimed to be a real Christian!