This CM Phillips thing I found at American Thinker resembles other modern conservative hissy-fits in which the Obamaization of America is blamed on something resembling linguistics. (You know the schtick: because liberalism is inherently awful, indeed anathematic, it can't possibly be its policies that attract people to it, so its popularity must be due to some Jedi mind trick.)
But Phillips' essay is distinguished in two respects. First, while ordinarily these guys cite Saul Alinsky as the primal trickster with whose strategies liberals bamboozle the weak-minded, Phillips cites George Lakoff, who may be even less read than Alinsky, even by those conservatives who have pretty much memorized Alinsky in their struggle to prove he's the Mr. Big of contemporary liberal politics. (Maybe Phillips is just showing off for his friends.)
Most of Phillips' numbered examples of how "liberals frame issues in narratives" which "undermines conservative’s positions" are typical gibberish -- they call us "tea baggers," Phillips fumes, which is a "sexually offensive" slur on "decent Americans" who are the "moral opposite of the crude, law-breaking left’s Occupy Wall Street crowd," arrgh blaargh.
But then he gets to a few that I find instructive, because they're so obvious about something that usually gets soft-pedaled:
If people are mentioning capitalism in something other than respectful terms, it's not because George Lakoff told them to, but because of what are regrettably still current events: While capitalism may have been possible to overlook when it was just quietly picking our pockets, it became impossible to overlook when it started breathing hard, thrashing, and foaming at the mouth. And the rich were not an issue until the ranks of the poor and verge-of-poor grew to include nearly all of us, and many more than previously began to recognize that the 1% were not just lovable drunks from Dudley Moore movies, but an interest group whose interest ran directly and sometime violently counter to their own.
Yet Phillips can't even acknowledge that. To guys like him, nothing really exists except the epochal struggle of good conservatives and evil liberals -- not in Iraq, not in New Orleans, and certainly not in the market. It's like what they think about charges of racism -- that's just some kind of word you liberals are using; it doesn't have to do with anything real.
I remember when it was the liberals who were supposed to be the head-in-the-clouds, disconnected-from-reality types. They were assumed to have spent too much time looking at books but not enough time seeing life as it is -- you know, like Meathead on All in the Family. But as the ranks of wingnut welfare recipients have swollen to feed vast online opinion factories, they seem to have taken over meathead production. Another market triumph!
But then he gets to a few that I find instructive, because they're so obvious about something that usually gets soft-pedaled:
6) Trickle down -- The “trickle down” frame paints a picture of money trickling into the economy as the rich pay for their indulgences. This is just wrong. The rich are usually successful business owners...
5) Capitalism -- Capitalism was Marx and Lenin's derogatory term for the free enterprise or entrepreneurial system. Even conservatives use this term too frequently...
3) 1% -- The narrative is: “the top 1% have all the money, so there is little left for other 99%.” The top 1% pays more in taxes than the bottom 90%, but that is not enough for the Democrats. They attack the 1%, and if the greedy Democrats could, they would tax the heck out of the top 49%. The other 51% would keep them in office.Notice that? Phillips got through all of these economic topics without once mentioning the global financial collapse of 2008, not to mention the slow-motion collapse of the American economy in the preceding years, from which we all continue to suffer.
If people are mentioning capitalism in something other than respectful terms, it's not because George Lakoff told them to, but because of what are regrettably still current events: While capitalism may have been possible to overlook when it was just quietly picking our pockets, it became impossible to overlook when it started breathing hard, thrashing, and foaming at the mouth. And the rich were not an issue until the ranks of the poor and verge-of-poor grew to include nearly all of us, and many more than previously began to recognize that the 1% were not just lovable drunks from Dudley Moore movies, but an interest group whose interest ran directly and sometime violently counter to their own.
Yet Phillips can't even acknowledge that. To guys like him, nothing really exists except the epochal struggle of good conservatives and evil liberals -- not in Iraq, not in New Orleans, and certainly not in the market. It's like what they think about charges of racism -- that's just some kind of word you liberals are using; it doesn't have to do with anything real.
I remember when it was the liberals who were supposed to be the head-in-the-clouds, disconnected-from-reality types. They were assumed to have spent too much time looking at books but not enough time seeing life as it is -- you know, like Meathead on All in the Family. But as the ranks of wingnut welfare recipients have swollen to feed vast online opinion factories, they seem to have taken over meathead production. Another market triumph!
Awesome stuff. "capitalism" predates Marx and Engels by 2 centuries, but you got to admit -- Bluto is on a roll.
ReplyDeleteThe top 1% pays more in taxes than the bottom 90%
ReplyDeleteUm because they have more money.
Is this that difficult to understand?
Oh, wait, "American Thinker", yeah, I guess it is.
Capitalism was Marx and Lenin's derogatory term for the free enterprise or entrepreneurial system.
ReplyDeleteNice to know. I think I'll use it more often from now on.
"Meathead production is at an all time high! USA USA USA! And we didn't need no stinking centralized economy to achieve it, no sir, and please ignore the Koch brothers."
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell does he think we SHOULD call it?
ReplyDeleteWhy, what else did these Marx and Lenin fellows have to say about capitamalism?
ReplyDeleteWe call them "teabaggers" because that was what they called themselves. My mother taught me it was polite to call people by the name they chose for themselves.
ReplyDeleteOf course lefties delighted in the fact that the teabaggers had chosen that name for themselves, and that they kept the name for months (or was it years?) despite lefties repeatedly pointing out what the term referred to.
Everybody is supposed to pay the same amount, because fairness! Which, by the way, is another concept they don't believe it.
ReplyDeleteThe name "American Thinker" kind of gives the game away, doesn't it? It's like a used car dealer calling himself "Honest John." You've been warned
ReplyDeletePlease, nobody tell Philips that "tea bagger" is actually a Nick Danger reference.
ReplyDeleteCite for future reference?
ReplyDeleteIt is an effective shorthand for a law that is otherwise unwieldy to describe.
ReplyDelete"ACA" isn't short enough?
Not for her purposes. She also tried to push "death spiral" as hard as she could but everyone mocked her and it didn't really take.
ReplyDelete"For her purposes", I figured, but hell, why not just take the mask all the way off and call it "BarryHUSSEINCare"?
ReplyDelete(oh, right, she wants to be taken seriously, *snerk*)
It's a good thing her Daddy bought her that Ivy League degree because it's all she's got.
ReplyDeleteNovember 11 at 12:00 pm: The Secret Law
ReplyDeleteWhat is THE LAW? To argle BARGLE is the LAW, are we not MEN?
Free and worth every penny!
Wingnuts staple teabags to their hats and call themselves Teabaggers, then get upset when other people quite naturally call them Teabaggers too — and point and laugh.
ReplyDeleteMemo to Teabaggers: If you don't like people calling you Teabaggers, you have two choices: 1) Screech and whine like a toddler about it, or 2) Stop stapling teabags to your hats. (Hint: One of these resembles the actions of a normal adult.)
I mean geez, I understand that they don't like to be laughed at, but it's their cosplay, not ours. Nobody made them do it.
Jesus, I should have clicked on those little links.
ReplyDelete"November 4 at 12:00 pm: Lobbying more info
Whenever we see an outcome we don’t like, the first instinct is to blame it on lobbying. And in fact, lobbyists do get ridiculous laws passed. But most people are confused about how lobbying works: where its power comes from, what it’s capable of achieving, and the good (yes, the good!) that lobbyists can do. During this seminar we will look at what lobbyists do, and what impact they ultimately have on what becomes law. Special Guest: Francis McArdle, former head of the General Contractor’s Association of New York
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All lobbyists are scum like Wesley Mouch except my Daddy, says McArdle.
To quote The Dead Kennedys: "Acting like a clown gives us the right to laugh".
ReplyDelete"Neo-Feudalism" works for me, but it's a little highbrow. How about "rapine"?
ReplyDeleteThe logic is an elegantly closed loop.
ReplyDeleteWINGNUT: America isn't a democracy! It's a republic!
ReplyDeleteMOONBAT: Oh, well clearly my opinions on economic and social policies are all wrong. Let's go vote a straight R ticket!
At least, that's how it goes in their heads...
They were assumed to have spent too much time looking at books but not enough time seeing life as it is.
ReplyDeleteWorse, these entitled fucking morons are looking at "our" books and then not even understanding the basic critique. The entire arcane enterprise of entrail reading into how Frances Fox Piven, Lakoff and Alinsky have taken over the liberal mind is conservative cargo cultism. They get mocked by normal people and, since that isn't possible, they have to ascribe it to a single plank in Rules for Radicals which was written 45 years ago and no one even read in the last three decades or so, until they started dumping monkey shit on it. They have disappeared so far up their own collective asshole they read less like Meathead and more like a future Jonestown victim.
"Reality."
ReplyDeleteI actually have a copy of Rules For Radicals. Maybe I should read it, or at least start carrying it around to scare wingnuts with.
ReplyDeletePlus I think it somehow makes "Democrat" an invalid political party, because shut up that's why.
ReplyDeleteExactly, they think we think like them and they are looking for the instruction manual that tells us what to do, which will unlock the key to defeating us.
ReplyDeletethey should have given it a catchy name like "Medicare", not a hypertrophied piece of propaganda like the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
ReplyDeleteLet's examine the claim that the name is "propaganda." Does this piece of legislation provide patients protection from recission and denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions? Check.
Does it provide exchanges with affordable options for those who previously were unable to obtain insurance? Check.
Then please enlighten us, Megan, as to how the name of the legislation is "propaganda."
To turn it around a little, the only time I ever hear a liberal talk about the fucking Road to Serfdom is to point out that even an amoral jackoff like Hayek supported basic universal health care.
ReplyDeleteLakoff, huh? So I used to write for this group blog back in the Bush years, and the sitemaster was a fan of Lakoff's. He actually had us all read Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant, more or less as homework, so unlike Alinsky I actually know about this one and exactly how much influence he's had. Remember how around 2004, everyone in the left blogosphere got obsessed with "framing?" That was Lakoff. Now, remember how quickly people got sick of framing, and how almost no one has spoken of it since? Yeah.
ReplyDeleteWhat Lakoff offered was more or less a strategy to counter a Republican technique that was introduced by Newt Gingrich and refined by Frank Luntz. If Phillips has a problem with word games, he's looking at the wrong side of the aisle.
It's even worse hypocrisy than. I just took a look to see the early references to teabagger and tea bagging and saw that not only did they begin the use use the term in reference to themselves, they did so in ways that made it clear they knew the meaning.
ReplyDeleteHere's a link which has examples and also has a link to a post with even more examples. http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/enough-whining-teabaggers-actually-i
"The origin of the term is relevant in determining the relative size of the Tea Party’s violin. What wasn’t pointed out to Tapper is the fact that the Tea Partiers not only invented the term, they did so in order to inflict a similar double entendre onto the President, the Democrats, and liberals in general. Hence, it’s a violin so small, you need an electron microscope with a zoom lens to see it.
"Now, they’re trying to re-cast the term as a slur, on a par with the “n-word,” hurtful to all the Tea Party members who are just ordinary moms, dads, sons, and daughters. The latter point has some resonance, but the former is ridiculous in the extreme.
"In emails, protest signs, t-shirts, and online, early Tea Party literature urged protesters to “Tea Bag the White House,” and to “Tea-bag the liberal Dems before they tea-bag you.” The suggestion is that the metaphoric “tea-bags” be shoved in the mouths of the President, Democratic members of Congress, and even ordinary citizens who identify as liberal Democrats. The idea that they just didn’t know the term’s only (at that time) meaning is belied by the fact that they obviously knew it was negative (and non-consensual), since they didn’t want it done to them, and also because it only had one meaning.
"It was only after MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and David Shuster, and CNN’s Anderson Cooper, turned the tables on the term that Tea Partiers objected. They were perfectly satisfied to advocate the metaphoric mouth-rape of liberal men, women, and children, but had the nerve to become indignant when the insult boomeranged on them."
Remember the, I think it was a list of terms and phrases to use, back when they were shopping the Contract With America? They count on us forgetting.
ReplyDeleteLetters are hard to remember. They're too close to numbers.
ReplyDeleteHow did I just KNOW "Mouch" was a character from Atlas Shrugged?
ReplyDeleteListen up my little chickadees while I tell you the facts of life. I was at a dinner party last night when several liberals rushed up to me and began shouting and crying about those mean Republicans who want to kill us in our sleep. This is shockingly ridiculous. Did Mitt Romney or Laura Bush kill anyone in his sleep? No, the person was awake.
ReplyDeleteI explained very slowly and carefully that killing "Obamacare" would save millions of lives because if people have health insurance they will go to the doctor when they are sick and sick people are around doctors and you might get even sicker or die.
But Obama didn't care and liberals helped him win the dinner party and we lost and that's not fair. We should always win because we're always right. Liberals are always wrong and therefore anything they say is propaganda. QED.
That's pretty much SOP when a term a group uses to self-identify develops negative connotations. For example, post-millennial dispensationalists used to refer to themselves as "dominionists," but now they insist that this term is a slur made up by their opponents.
ReplyDeleteOf course, usually it takes years for a term to build up enough baggage for that. In this case, they started ducking away from it about five minutes after the first person went on national television and said "We'll teabag 'em before they teabag us."
Who is Jane Galt? https://twitter.com/janegalt
ReplyDeleteTrickle down -- The “trickle down” frame paints a picture of money trickling into the economy as the rich pay for their indulgences. This is just wrong. The rich are usually successful business owners...
ReplyDeleteSee, it's like orange juice. Call what comes out of a squeezed orange "orange juice" is just wrong. Because oranges usually grow on trees.
Yep. Makes about as much sense. What's truly sad is that his reader will nod their heads knowingly as they sound out the words, feeling that he has imparted to them unassailable logic with which to combat the heinous trickle-down economics slur.
That's Obama in his time machine going back to use Tallosian mind control to make her say and write the magic word.
ReplyDeleteI want this comment to escort me to a cocktail party attended by Ann Coulter, Ann Romney, and Ann Taylor.
ReplyDeletePlato giving a lecture in the original Academy is nothing compared to this. I should know; I was there.
ReplyDeleteHaven't the richie riches suffered enough? I just heard Mark Cuban whining
ReplyDeletehow he lost money on his latest teevee contract. Which he was forced to sign
at gunpoint in a depressed market. Oh the horror!
Isn't that what fucking SAINT REAGAN called it?
ReplyDeleteSure, but he was senile. Everyone knows that . . .
ReplyDelete. . . when it's convenient to recall.
Firesign Theatre's Nick Danger, Third Eye." I believe Rocky Rococo said "Tea bagger!" to Catherwood at some point. These scripts should be on the web, but apparently not.
ReplyDeleteHe's just got a face I could punch all day long.
ReplyDeletenow the gum is on the other shoe....
ReplyDeleteAnd because they own more property.
ReplyDeleteWingnut framing technique:
ReplyDelete1. Select name.
2. Flaunt, advertise, and parade it around.
3. Behave in word and deed like a bunch of imbeciles and/or clowns.
4. Become indignant that name has become synonymous with imbecilic, clownish behavior.
As always, what they accomplish is secondary to *being on the team.* If membership on the team requires complaining about being called something they themselves have chosen, so be it.
I miss that crazy "psychiatrist" woman who used to post on American Thinker. Robin of Berkeley. Talk about the inmates taking over the asylum.
ReplyDeleteEven with a flat tax, the rich would pay more. Hmmm. I guess reverse-progressive is the only fair possible system.
ReplyDeleteJesus, that McCardle quote is so disinengous I think my eyes started to bleed while reading it. I sometimes wonder what life is like in the McCardle Suderman household when neither of them can speak an honest or direct word to save their lives.
ReplyDeleteBedtime: A Play in One Act
Megan, from the bedroom:
"I don't want to go to sleep. Its only two AM. And I have no objection to your playing your war games or your "kill a whore" grand theft yachtsman or whatever you want to call it. Far from it. Its not like you are wasting money and time we don't have in a practice that doesn't even impress the people who pay our salaries or that it affects our income which, by the way, not that money means anything to me but it isn't enough for us to install a second pool or for me to buy a new thermomix now that the old one broke when I used it to loosen the two day old mac'ncheese I made when you didn't come home from your arty farty whiskey tasting that I wasn't even invited to--personally I have no such lofty agenda as getting to sleep or buying more kitchen machinery but surely you have? Surely you would be thrilled to know your time and attention was wanted by the wife you pretend to love?"
The end.
ITs not Ann of a Thousand Days but it will sure feel like it.
ReplyDeleteRight its a Christian/Right Wing blindspot. They have a bible--we must have a bible. They loved the idea of the Little Red Book (although now they seem to have forgotten all about it) and the Quran because they think that everyone needs to have the road map/instruction manual/god's plan to follow.
ReplyDeleteThis is basically the same attitude they take towards their own standard bearers-new pretty faces. This is precisely what happened with people like Joe the Plumber or whoever was the flavor of the week, like Zimmerman, until the obvious flaws in their behavior makes it unpleasant to be associated with them. Then they not only drop the asshole like a hot potato but they accuse the left of having manufactured them in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIf you weren't courting ridicule, why did you wear your teabag hat in the rain?
ReplyDeleteThe entry on Trickle Down reads as though written by a smart but dutiful sixth grader:
ReplyDelete"The rich are usually successful business owners. They invest in their
successful businesses, while others spend more of their money on
products made in China from Walmart..."
He then goes on and on, describing how business works, and entirely missing the point, source, meaning, and effect of "trickle down." I know--it's The American Thinkers, where Americans come to not think. But still.
Hell, all they need to do is let us put them in an inescapable death trap and we'll be forced to spill the beans!
ReplyDeleteUpvoted for effort.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking passive aggression was a Southern thing; maybe it's a conservative thing instead?
Don't forget Cliven Bundy.
ReplyDeleteGod knows I wish I could.
The entry on Trickle Down reads as though written by a smart but dutiful sixth grader
ReplyDeleteWingnuts want to bring back child labor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few freelancing for them.
I think McCardle's version is more "the hate that dare not speak its name." She thinks of herself as too cool to identify with the Obama haters and the knee jerk anti-liberals. Her whole shtick is kind of "more in sorrow or in anger." Hell--she even pretends she voted for Obama because being an actual Republican is kind of embarrassing. And she forgets that she admitted at the time that she overslept and never voted at all. This is the heart of her disingenuousness: that she pretends always to be above passion or any real goal or aim when its obvious from the get go that the entire essay or observation is straight up play for pay.
ReplyDeleteIf someone thinks that people "choose" to "spend more of their money on products made in China from Walmart" than investing in the family yacht business or arms dealing they aren't even rising to the level of a smart sixth grader. Dis-pos-a-ble In-come. We don't haz it.
ReplyDeleteDaily Kos was all Lakoff 24/7 right after the 2004 election, if I remember correctly.
ReplyDeleteAnd hey, what's the deal with soy milk? There's no such thing as soy milk. Why? Because there's no soy titty!
ReplyDelete(h/t Seinfeld and Lewis Black)
Headlined by Ted Nugent and a reunion of Damn Yankees.
ReplyDeleteI miss the old Sadly, No! as well.
ReplyDeleteOh my god--she's back! And take a look at this:
ReplyDeleteI was in a rush; I was wrong. . and I was lucky. Had I been in Berkeley or Oakland, I may not be alive to tell the tale.
Details aren’t important (and way too embarrassing to recount). Let’s just say it involved lots of road rage on my part, such as, leaning on the horn and making various gestures. (Proof positive that you can take the woman out of Berkeley — but not the Berkeley out of the woman.)
After I arrived at my destiny and my tantrum dissipated, I found a parking space in the medical pavilion. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), the driver of the car in front of me was also going to the same address and parked a close distance from me.
Legitimately angry, the suburbanite headed over to me. He chastised me and asked why I kept honking at him. I immediately said that I was sorry. Luckily, he accepted the apology and walked away. I felt appropriately embarrassed and contrite.
Many inspiring stories have been written by survivors of catastrophic diseases and other near-death experiences about how the event made them a better human being. I take my hat off to all of them. But from what I witnessed from me that day in civilized suburbia, Berkeley has made me a worse person.
They were assumed to have spent too much time looking at booksThis is even more true nowadays; we should be burning them instead.
ReplyDeleteso its popularity must be due to some Jedi mind trickI was going to say, they might not think of it quite this way, because the Jedi were supposed to be the good guys. Then I remembered that modern conservatives are cheering for the Emperor. No wonder they've been badmouthing democracy so much.
"Not a democracy, but a republic."
"Not a republic, but an empire."
"Not an empire, but a lifeless, dessicated wasteland everywhere humans used to live."
Actually, it seems like they've found their instruction manual, and it's "Rules For Radicals". I'm certain more conservatives have read it than liberals, and they they apply it more seriously to their own strategy.
ReplyDeleteSo, I guess the arc for the story is that she started out a bad person and she became an even worse person.
ReplyDeleteShe doesn't really even get her own point though: Thinking that her "trauma" of dealing with traffic in the suburbs is in any way comparable to surviving a catastrophic disease or other near-death experience tells the reader that she really is approaching the Platonic ideal of "self-absorbed asshole."
I understand the uneasiness w/framing, but Lakoff's analysis is still spot on, especially authoritarian father vs nurturing parent.
ReplyDeleteI think you're being too hard on McMegs. Her calculator ate her gastroenteritis, and that's why the pink salt makes her forget about what she said/wrote/thought 5 minutes ago.
ReplyDeleteWasn't it you (or was it ZuZu?) who got banned by Megan for quoting back something she actually wrote?
Old joke from Reagan's first term:
ReplyDeleteThe president has simplified the tax code so that a tax return fits on a single 3X5 index card. It's so simple, you don't even need an accountant.
If you made $50,000 last year, write that in the blank that asks for income, then return the card with a check for $45,000.
If you made $1,000,000, throw the card away! What could be simpler?
"Even with a flat tax, the rich would pay more."
ReplyDeleteWhich is why, on a superficial level, it SEEMS ever so reasonable when you hear that a guy with a million dollar income will pay $150,000 at a 15% tax rate. Of course, fairness gets kicked to the curb when a guy making $10,000 a year and is barely hanging on by his fingernails has to cough up $1500 that otherwise could have gone to pay for dog food for the kids.
Me too....
ReplyDeleteI think its worse than that, and sadder. I read around a bit on what is clearly her personal blog. I've lived in Berkeley and it is a tough location. It has huge inequalities, like everywhere else, and it does have a large and extremely scary population of homeless and mentally ill people--because of the destruction of the working class and the terrible medical system in general. Also, a lot of people want to live there because its a happening place. And although its low density compared to a city, its high social contact: people use the streets, they walk around, and they live on the streets. She is clearly a person who dreads coming into contact with other people--she should be living in a suburb in which she doesn't know her neighbors and never interacts with them. She mistakes the distance and space between people in the suburbs for kindness and civility. Its really space, anonymity, and indifference. There are plenty of pathologies there, and road rage too--what on earth does she think road rage is if she thinks it doesn't happen in California's tony suburbs?
ReplyDeleteI actually learned to drive in Berkeley and I always found people uniformly very polite and pleasant when they were driving--and this was true when I was a pedestrian there as well. Road rage is not at all something I associate with Berkely. I think she is taking her street rage and generalized fear and hatred of the pedestrian population of Berkeley and projecting it on to everyone and everything around her.
Phillips doesn't know taxes. While the 1% pay about 80% of the individual income tax, that tax makes up about 42% of Federal income. The FICA and Medicare taxes make up 43% with excise tax s, fuel etc plus the corporate tax makes up the remainder.
ReplyDeleteThey have Laurie Roth now:
ReplyDeletehttp://world-o-crap.blogspot.com/2014/10/waxing-wroth.html
How can you not love this?
ReplyDelete"Since 1900, Democrats have involved the U.S. in many more major wars: WWI, WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam War. The Republicans: Iraq I and Iraq II, and Afghanistan.
"I did not waste my time responding. The best defense is a strong offense."
Many kudos to mastermind who planted this chump behind the lines of the Thinker. The Stalin Prize is on its way.
what.
ReplyDeleteI've been over this story twice, looking for some kind of continuation, and, as Gobbs is mah witness, I fail to see where this idjut was at all in any mortal danger, aside maybe from some kind of road rage thing, not that there's any indication of that either. Nice linking of Berkeley (=liberals) and rudeness, GOOD BONUS POINTS to her for that.
This reminds me of nothing so much as someone who heaves a giant sigh of relief while walking down the street that the black kid that walked past didn't kill them. "Shallow" is not strong enough.
These scripts should be on the web, but apparently not.
ReplyDeleteI blame Obama.
Where's the leadership?
It's like calling a fat guy slim or a short guy stretch. Don't tell me conservatives don't get irony.
ReplyDeleteI think that must have been Zuzu (miss him/her). I got banned for this which was helpfully preserved for posterity by none other than Susan of Texas:
ReplyDeleteAimai:
Hm, lets see if the site lets me post. Can I ask whether this long, incoherent and off point attack by Megan on poster zosina is, in fact, by Megan? I mean, look--for one thing the "Megan" in this post claims to be the child of academics when the real Megan, as far as I know, is the child of a former public employee turned lobbyist and a realtor. Second of all the real Megan presumably grasps that "being the child of academics" doesn't actually amount to an argument. No, really it doesn't. Actually, and for real, I'm the child of a Nobel Prize winner and for kicks I'll add I'm a third generation Harvardite. So what? This really, really, really, never comes up in academic arguments which are actually won and lost not by some kind of bizarre blood test but by concrete arguments. The "you are tedious and lack charm" argument is also one that I have yet to see adduced in a respectable discussion. Certainly, on the basis of the evidence from this thread, its hard to tell which of the two of you, the "megan" poster and the zosina poster is the younger. If I didn't know that the real Megan is 37 I'd have had to award this avatar the palm for most juvenile approach to intellectual discussion. Finally, I have yet to see the imaginary comments "Megan" refute any of Zosina's points. If this thread "Megan" isn't the real Megan I think the real Megan might want to step in and clean up the comments by deleting her. But if she is the real Megan I think the Atlantic might want to step in and jerk the blog entirely. This is a positively craptacular piece of incoherent special pleading on Megan's part, from the first post to the comment thread. Really, its shameful. And you don't have to be the "child of academics" to know that.
aimai
She got angry and she behaved badly and she honked at some guy and experienced road rage at him and she blames it all on living in Berkeley where, presumably, the road rage she has experienced is the result of the inner evil of other people, not people under stress behaving badly briefly (as she thinks is true of her). Road Rage and bad driving is what other berkeley and oakland people really are, but its just something that happened to her.
ReplyDeleteFour wars actually is many more than three wars, if you count all those fractional wars in between.
ReplyDelete(I saw that list and was instantly reminded of "Contract Out On America")
ReplyDeleteWin The Morning Dinner Party
ReplyDeleteIf she actually had a soul (or a conscience), McMegs would wake up in the night, quaking with terror over the memory of being so magnificently burned!
ReplyDeleteCan I get this done as a needlepoint to hang in my foyer?
Maybe if he could find a way to win more than one NBA title?
ReplyDelete6) Trickle down
ReplyDeleteSo liberals are responsible for Reagan's budget director popularising the term?
I assume that Philips also blames those framing-conscious liberals for making Tax Patriots call themselves 'tea-baggers'.
It seems to have peaked in popularity under Reagan.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that gets me is that when I've talked to conservatives about taxes, they genuinely don't understand how the brackets work. They think if the rate on >$100k is 5% more than the rate on <$100k, there is a "danger zone" wherein if you make $100,001-$105,000, you keep less than the guy who only made $99,999. You are "penalized" for your success. You can explain how the progressive rate works in real life and you just get a blank, dim look. They are so committed to a wrong belief that the facts literally can't get in there and light the place up.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course -- especially the libertarians, because facts were always going to figure less than abstract principles and/or paranoia anyway -- argue fantasially onward with "Well, even if that were true, you don't think the IRS wouldn't just change that policy the second they wanted more money from you? Grow up."
Yeah. These people prioritize principles, not people. Not facts. "It's equal if everyone pays the same rate" disintegrates at first contact with reality -- but they will never let it touch reality in their heads. The abstract principle can't fail, it can only be failed.
ReplyDeleteZounds. I was once well smacked down in an op-ed in my college paper and there is still a mark where that happened. This is worse. Were I Megan I would have lain gibbering and fetal for a bit after this.
ReplyDeleteIt is about as long as... as... Oh heck, I can never remember that other one. The IRS? I'm going to improve it by naming it after the president who signed it into existence. IRS, from now on you are LincolnCare.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but they still can't tell Big Shorty from Short Biggie...
ReplyDeleteYeah, why doesn't he pick up his cues faster?
ReplyDeleteYep..."fck the deficit. People got no jobs. People got no money."
ReplyDeletePerhaps he insists on the more accurate "Voodoo Economics."
ReplyDelete(It's certainly more politically correct, coming from a Republican president and all.)
Tradition. I guess.
ReplyDelete2012: Berkeley bowl: The self-centered rudeness amidst piles of celery and bulk granola bins can be exasperating and at times downright laughable.
2010: Rudeness at Berkeley Bowl/Monterey Market?: I refer to the Berkeley Bowl as ''The Berkeley Brawl'' because of the consistent rudeness I've experienced there (fellow patrons, not employees) - in particular at the store on Shattuck. So many patrons were angry or discourteous that I stopped shopping there years ago…
2010: People in Berkeley: This market is replete with assholes barreling up the aisles with their carts, which are carrying only a couple organic vegetables and maybe a $5 chocolate bar. No “Excuse me,” not even from the staff.
2008: Did Berkeley Bowl Ban Reporter for Life?: Los Angeles Times reporter John Glionna recently wrote a terrific piece on the tense, hyperkinetic, aggro atmosphere at the Berkeley Bowl. … But it looks like owner Glen Yasuda didn't care for the story; in a follow-up blog post, Gionna claims that Yasuda called him up and reamed him out about the piece. What's more, Yasuda banned Glionna from the store. For life.
2008: Where the nuts are off the shelf: Kamikaze shoppers crash down crowded aisles without eye contact or apology for fender-benders.
2005: You Think You've Got Tomatoes: Such passion is not uncommon at the Berkeley Bowl, where the carts bang into one another in the narrow byways, even on a weekday afternoon.
2004: 'Breeders' Beware: The Bay Area Is An Unfriendly Place: I have never seen such angry people as I saw on my first visit to Berkeley Bowl (and every visit thereafter).
"It's like what they think about charges of racism -- that's just some
ReplyDeletekind of word you liberals are using; it doesn't have to do with anything
real."
This is why you're the best writer on the Intertoobz, Roy. Thanks, again.
I think it was Groucho Marx and John Lennon who said to ask that cop knocking on your back door....
ReplyDeleteOh, it's never the end.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this link: I didn't even know World o' Crap was back in operation.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they were hitting on you? It's a crazy idea but it just might have worked
ReplyDeleteHas CM Phillips ever heard of Frank Luntz? You know, Mr. Death Tax, Government Schools, etc. In fact, Lakoff's work is in response to Luntz.
ReplyDeleteMan, you gotta love the classics. If anyone ever writes a history of How the Republican Party Lost Women, that could make a decent starting point. Plus, McCain's rapid blinking in the beginning might be code for "Do I really have to pretend to care what this black man is saying? I do? Fuck it, here comes the smirk."
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure which is worse, the implication that we should have sat out WWII, or framing it in just that time period to exclude the one war that had more American casualties than all the other wars the US has been involved in combined.
ReplyDeleteThat last paragraph ensures my prediction that when people do start to realize that it's saving lives and money, McArdle will smoothly and shamelessly start referring to it as Romneycare: The Next Generation.
ReplyDeleteHe left 'em too long in the cellophane and they burned.
ReplyDelete"In the last 60 years, Republicans have involved the United States in three times as many unnecessary wars as Democrats" was not central to his point.
ReplyDeleteNo it wasn't. I just saw it on my feed. I lived in Berkeley for two years in an adorable house loaned to me at a low rent by a friend who needed someone to house sit it. I was on a fellowship at Berkeley while finishing my Ph.D. In other words I was living comfortably, far above my station and my income in the foothills of Berkeley. But it was still a very stressful city to live in especially for a woman. I didn't have a car and didn't know how to drive so I walked and took public transportation everywhere and people like that --people/students/householders do feel under attack from the homeless and crazy population which seems to gather there. I especially felt that way as a woman because the panhandlers and homeless men were very agressive with women and often followed you or catcalled you or badgered you for money or attention. It looked like a little california town but it had a vibe much closer to NYC.
ReplyDeleteHuh! Thanks. I did not anticipate that. I've had some very disturbing interactions with the crazy homeless -- you really have no idea what they might do, and in the weeks when my neighborhood in LA grows particularly crowded with them (agreed, the angry crazy ones are almost 100% white males), I do start to carry around tension and wonder what the hell I'm doing with my life that I live here. Being yelled at or even just stared at by obviously deranged people is not good for the soul.
ReplyDeleteMy worst interaction was in SF, however, and was actually with a woman. She was filthy and entered a restaurant to stand at our table shouting at us, spittle flying everywhere, until finally we paid her. The staff were no help, ignoring it completely -- to be honest, I have held that against San Francisco ever since. Though it would probably be smarter just to hold it against one restaurant.
Oh, wow, this is fantastic. Thank you. I had felt so alone!
ReplyDeleteYes. I've had this conversation with a highly paid woman doctor who explained to me that her husband was terribly concerned because of taxes and they were both under the impression that her entire high salary would go on taxes making it "not worth her while" to work. My jaw was on the floor listening to this poor moron--who was not a conservative btw, just a really stupid liberal with a light overlay of greed.
ReplyDeleteWhat if its a Donner Dinner Party? Who wants to win that? Although...come to think of it...winning it is better than losing it.
ReplyDeletePeople are frightened to deal with crazy people and when you are confronted by one you can feel pretty lonely. It takes a strong and skilled person to handle someone who is delusional or violent or otherwise behaving inappropriately in an empathetic and calm way. People's social reserves are stretched to the limit in Berkeley and in any area where a homeless/financial crisis is exacerbated by our crappy health care system, our lack of good mental care facilities, and a crumbling and stressed family system that simply can't take care of members (fathers, mothers, children, siblings) who are in trouble. What I guess I'm saying is that you can find people stepping up and helping you, graciously, in every big city for lots of different kinds of problems but somehow when it is a crazy person people jump back--and who can blame them?
ReplyDeleteMilton Friedman comes to mind, too.
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