...about Alton Nolan, the mad jihadist of Moore, Oklahoma. The idea this guy is just a nut who happens to be Muslim seems to elude the brethren, who affect to believe that Nolan's attack on his ex-workplace means Oklahoma is now crawling with ISIS sleeper cells. Well, maybe it'll give the boys on the range something to talk about, though I suspect they're too smart to fall for it.
UPDATE. In comments, randomworker: "Now, if someone was selling (at flea markets out of the back of their Impala station wagon) a semi-automatic beheader that could behead up to 20 people before needing a reload, I imagine the bedwetters would be calling for some kind of regulation on that device!"
The question of whether Nolan was influenced by the ISIS beheading videos is an interesting one. But even if he was... so what? Psychos are influenced by famous crimes all the time.
ReplyDelete...Thomas Lifson of American Thinker scoffed, "the real victims are Muslims, or so we are being asked to believe... lIt is amazing what is being peddled and believed by some," under the headline "Muslim leaders play victim in Oklahoma beheading."
ReplyDeleteTo wit: recall the influence of William Hickman on that psycho, Ayn Rand....
ReplyDelete"the real victims are Muslims, or so we are being asked to believe..
ReplyDeleteYou can't fool me, everyone knows that conservative Christians are the real victims.
. . . means Oklahoma is now crawling with ISIS sleeper cells.
ReplyDeleteWell, we do have Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, Ted Cruz, and a gazillion less prominent rightwingers on the TeeVee machine going on and on about how ISIS is going to kill every last one of us. And then enslave us with Sharia law.
So it's not like the lesser lights of rightwing blogistan didn't get their talking points straight from the top.
I'd like to get this comment incarcerated so I can interview it length.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many of the wingnutz are wistful for the days of abject fear, duct tape and plastic sheeting, and color-coded alerts. Or, are they just grumbling because the secret Muslim in the WH won't put all the Muslims in internment camps, ala WWII? (Certainly, some of them would like to see concentration camps with some new, improved version of Zyklon B at the ready.)
ReplyDeleteWhat I do not understand is the idiotic, overweening desire to turn every unhappy event involving a Muslim into evidence that we're engaged in a religious war, which is precisely what the crazies in the Middle East want, because it builds recruitment from the devout.
Do they not realize that the Crusades lasted nearly 300 years?
On second thought, maybe they do, and that's their objective.
They're going to kill us all, starting with Oklahoma? Hmm ... I think we should let them do it there and in a few surrounding states, you know, to lull them into a false sense of security.
ReplyDeleteUh, yeah I'm pretty sure if IS pulled off a terrorist attack in the U.S. it would be more impressive than some disgruntled loser attacking his former work place. Give those assholes a little bit of credit at least.
ReplyDelete"Is it because one might prematurely infer from the photo that, like Nidal Hasan, Nolen is a Soldier of Allah and that his faith inspired his crimes?" demanded Johnson. . .
ReplyDeleteYes, one might prematurely infer such a thing. Of course, actually gathering evidence before making a judgment is exactly what all us Enlightenment enlightened left-wingers would do. So I can see why you might want to forgo that part of the investigation since it's likely to lead to conclusions that don't match your ideology--or your paranoia.
It's certainly part of their pathology. After all, many are convinced (or at least claim to be convinced) that the 30,000 ISIL fighters can easily overrun the entire United States, handily defeating the largest military on the planet in order to impose Sharia right here in America. Tanks, fighter planes, nuclear weapons--none of these can stop these Muslim madmen. Only Joe Citizen armed to the teeth with weapons he barely understands can defend the homeland!
ReplyDeleteBye bye! Buy guns!
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ReplyDelete". . . they would be so massively discredited it would destroy them," said Ace of Spades
ReplyDeleteYou know, Ace, if being massively discredited could actually destroy someone, you wouldn't be h- . . . ah, fuck it. Never mind.
If the anger and racism in black America is not exposed . . .
ReplyDelete. . . the Right will have its usual hard time saying "See? Black people are the real racists!!!"
A bit pedantic and non sequitur, but I'd like to point out that a lot of the christian crusades were against heretics instead of the infidels, and that these were often some of the most brutal, like the Albigensian crusade for instance.
ReplyDelete"This president needs to rise to the occasion before we all get killed back here at home.”
ReplyDeleteIf I were a resident of South Carolina, I'd be ashamed that Lindsey "Aunt Pittypat" Graham was my senator. Still, this is really about nothing so much as the Right covering it's ass against the day when one guy, or possibly a handful of guys, slip into this country on U.S. passports and cause destruction or death. There is really almost no way to avoid that, any more than Alton Nolan could have been stopped in advance, but imagine the wailing, garment rending, and finger pointing of the wingnut hysterics when that happens.
so that Americans can defend themselves
ReplyDeleteWould anyone notice the difference?
"millions of radicalized Muslims ready to attack."
ReplyDeleteMILLIONS for fucks sake! Ready to attack ANY SECOND! Christ man, stop being such a fricken drama queen. I think America is going to survive.
This pisses me off almost more than anything. Righties are constantly whining about how peaceful Muslims don't go public in criticizing and rejecting extremist ones -- but when peaceful Muslims DO exactly what they ask, righties refuse to accept it. It's a perfect illustration of their basic approach to other people in general: as abusers who aren't happy unless other people are cringing.
ReplyDeleteUmm, is a war against heretics any less a religious war? And am I--in these current days of these United States with our own brand of religious crazy--to be encouraged that the slaughter wasn't just directed at infidels?
ReplyDeleteI get the willies just thinking about a religious maniac like Ted Cruz in a position to stir up all the xenophobic, unhappy, self-victimized Christian zealots in this country. The insanity would radiate outward and inward, as well.
Yeah. Just you wait until all those Republican-controlled legislatures start passing Sharia law.
ReplyDelete" The insanity would radiate outward and inward, as well."
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was the point I was trying to make, although I didn't really make it very well.
Did Nidal Hasan adopt the tactic of exercising his second amendment remedies?
ReplyDelete"What is it about this activity BEING Islam that we don't get?... The American people KNOW it is Islam. We know Islam teaches these things, and we know that there are millions of radicalized Muslims ready to attack."
ReplyDeleteTheir bigotry is the nucleus of all of it, and at least McCullogh says it out loud. The American people KNOW that Islam and people who believe in it are the problem. Yet, here it is, 13 years since 9/11, and for some reason these millions of radicalized Muslims (which in this country would be pretty much all of them) haven't yet risen up to behead us all. Now, though, they are ready to attack. Of course, odder still, since the enemies of ISIS are mostly other Muslims, there must be something about BEING Islam which makes one a victim of ISIS.
Hate always trumps logic, or pretty much anything.
(Also, BEING Islam? Is that like BEING Jew, or BEING Christianity?)
IS/ISIL/ISIS wants jihad, and for it to be known as jihad, because they specifically (as opposed to Muslims generally) want to kill as many Christian Americans and Europeans as they can, regardless of their ability to actually do much of that.
ReplyDeleteAmerican Christianists want it to be jihad, because they want IS/x/x (and any spare bad actors of non-Christian extraction) to want to kill them. (And everyone else, too, because there aren't really that many of them, despite the noise level, and they feel spreading the fear to the nation as a whole will somehow magnify it. And them). I swear, a bona fide Muslim-on-Christian murder in a tiny no-horse town so deep in Montana they ship air & water in by copter would give these assholes a terrorgasm that would....yuck. I don't even want to think about it.
If I were a resident of South Carolina, I'd be ashamed that Lindsey "Aunt Pittypat" Graham was my senator.
ReplyDeleteTrust me - I am.
If it turns out they have access to Saddam's old mothballed plywood drones, it's all over.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit, it just occurred to me...if we didn't find 'em (and their WMD payloads) then of course ISIS did. My god, it's so fuckin' obvious...
In handcuffs made of Rearden Metal, I bet.
ReplyDeleteHey, it's an existential threat, whatever that means this week.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what "gun control" this idiot's thinking of. Remove all restrictions on who can buy machine guns? Allow convicted felons (like our beheading criminal in this case) to buy guns without any impediments?
ReplyDeleteBut, I guess that after ISIL defeats our army, navy, air force, marines, and national guard, it will be up to each of us as individuals to save the country.
Don't forget the new Surveillance State and Homeland Security, both of which can't protect us either because mumble mumble liberals.
ReplyDeleteThe insanity would radiate outward and inward, as well.
ReplyDeleteMore so than it has already, you mean.
"Sure, he was just fired from his job and angry," said Keith Koffler
ReplyDeleteat White House Dossier, "but it doesn't take a genius to see there must
be at least some kind of link between what is going on in the Islamic
State and this murder in the United States... today's gruesome murder
is a harbinger of more to come."
My favorite bit, because it's the purest piece of completely-detatched-from-logic Bullshit in the bunch. No way in hell can you make the second part follow from the first without a fifth of Jack, and then it won't matter because you won't care, and that's the essence of Bullshit.
I capitalize Bullshit because we now have a learned reference work on it...
At another website, some 'bagger commented along these lines: "This cancer must be rooted out before it destroys America."
ReplyDeleteI replied, "Yes, the cancer of bad mental health policies and toxic work situations must be rooted out."
If he had been a real, true-blue American, he would have shot up the place.
ReplyDeleteIn the case of ISIL, I think you can place a lot of the blame on our wonderful newsmedia. They've really done a great job of suggesting that these guys are modern military geniuses, immune to all tactics and acting at will. Hell, if I believed CNN, I'd probably be terrified, too - so much that I might forget that we were dealing with a bunch of dudes with rifles and trucks acting in a destabilized area.
ReplyDeleteYes, I was disappointed that the whole MOOOSLIM KILLER thing kept them from being all "Ha ha, he used a knife! Gun control therefore doesn't work, la la la!"
ReplyDeleteA lot of these goobers grew up in a period where there was a plausible threat that another nation might reduce everything they've ever known to atomic ash. Now they're scared because some people down the block have long beards.
ReplyDeleteThe standards for existential terror have really dropped.
I wonder what "gun control" this idiot's thinking of. Remove all restrictions on who can buy machine guns?
ReplyDeleteWell, what is the deal with all these restrictions on rocket launchers, anyway? The only thing that can stop a bad guy with an RPG-7...
It was the controversial sequel to BEING John Malkovich, which was the Asylum's ripoff of the Charlie Kaufman film. It wasn't very popular, so I'm not surprised you don't remember it.
ReplyDelete"but it doesn't take a genius to see there must
ReplyDeletebe at least some kind of link between what is going on in the Islamic
State and this murder in the United States... today's gruesome murder
is a harbinger of more to come."
Connect the dots, man! It all makes sense when you think about it...
Well, yeah, I guess that's a given. The country's been borderline psychotic ever since 1946.
ReplyDeleteThe climax of the BEING Islam film is where the wingnut travels into his own brain and can say nothing but "9/11! 9/11!" over and over.
ReplyDeleteOr, alternatively, "BUILDING 7! BUILDING 7!"
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
ReplyDelete"Start"?
ReplyDelete"Now they're scared because some people down the block have long beards."
ReplyDeleteWell, admittedly, I'd be feeling a little bit of existential terror if I lived down the block from the Duck Dynasty bunch.
... is a good guy with a suitcase nuke.
ReplyDeleteIt's all about escalation with these droolers.
I'm just wondering why all those brave gun-toting defenders of the second amendment have their knickers in a twist over some hypothetical jihadists. I mean, weren't they all loudly proclaiming how ready they were to shoot some bad guys just a couple months ago? Isn't a new threat something they'd welcome, so they could have another chance to demonstrate their ultra-manly manliness?
ReplyDeleteSee, when a white cop murders a black kid, we must wait for ALL THE FACTS(TM) before saying anything.
ReplyDeleteBut in this case, not so much. We are in fact obligated to assume the worst, because blah blah Muslims yakety sax blah blah.
evidence that we're engaged in a religious war, which is precisely what the crazies in the United States wantEdited for symmetry.
ReplyDeleteOh, I think both extremes are fair game for that charge.
ReplyDeleteI'll bet that one flew over their heads at high speed....
ReplyDeleteOf course, all the rightbloggers who are overwhelmed with fear by the videos have also been "influenced" by them.
ReplyDeleteThat's right up there with Steve "Hate Me Some Arabs" Emerson asserting back in 1995 that the OKC bombing MUST have been done by Muslim terrorists because they use truck bombs. Q.E.Derp!
ReplyDeleteBut, I guess that after ISIL defeats our army, navy, air force, marines,
ReplyDeleteand national guard, it will be up to each of us as individuals to save
the country.
Hot damn, time to dress up and play "Red Dawn"!
WOLVERINES!!
existential threat,
ReplyDeleteSame as it ever was -- an Arab down at the beach
Oh, they just want fear. Fuck the cause. It could be the commies or Islamists or the Yellow Menace or the fucking West Nile Virus, they don't give a shit. But when everyone is afraid, and speaking is whispers, and looking over their shoulder, that's when the shiv-wielding rumormonger can really make hay. That's when the sly cut can see your neighbor fired, his kids beaten and humiliated, the whole family run out of town--or worse. No place is more fertile ground for the poison tongue than fear--so why would those who have nothing but a poisonous tongue root for anything other than fear?
ReplyDeleteGuess this Emerson guy never heard of Mario Buda.
ReplyDeleteI see what you did there...
ReplyDelete"It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a Koran," applauded Daniel Greenfield at FrontPageMan under the headline "Oklahoma Beheading Reminds Us ISIS is Everywhere Muslims Are."
ReplyDeleteBut what if the end of gun control makes it easier for the bad guy with a Koran to get a gun OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND?
Oh, gosh, I so missed hearing from Acey...
ReplyDeletewait, no, I didn't.
So some of these brave jihad-busters are also the same people who were outraged the media didn't do enough to vilify Trayvon Martin. I suppose that shouldn't surprise me, and really it doesn't.
ReplyDeleteWe must wait for ALL THE FACTS™ only when the killer is a white guy.
ReplyDeleteWould be funny to see Ace disappear in a puff of logic.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention disgruntled right-wingers. Of course, Emerson would exclude them from consideration.
ReplyDeleteThat's quite a phrase, though: "... the quotidian workhorse of urban terrorism." Ever since City of Quartz, I knew Mike Davis could write.
before US air strikes and reinforcements from the Turkish-Kurdish PKK militia stopped them
ReplyDeleteHey, aren't the PKK evil terrorist monsters themselves?
Plus - you might as well claim that he was a French Anti-Royalist because he "adopted their tactics" as well.
ReplyDeleteOr a member of a Mexican drug cartel.
Or a British king.
ReplyDeleteHe's already come perilously close, many times, to disappearing up his own asshole in a fit of solipsism, so watching him go up in a puff of logic would be, um, different.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point:
ReplyDeleteIf the logic of an attack is to slaughter innocents and sow panic in the
widest circle, to operate a "strategy of tension," or just demoralize a
society, car bombs are ideal. But they are equally effective at
destroying the moral credibility of a cause and alienating its mass base
of support, as both the IRA and the ETA in Spain have independently
discovered. The car bomb is an inherently fascist weapon.
From the shadows, Cheney chuckles...
ReplyDeleteWhy don't they just get a room already?
ReplyDeleteit doesn't take a genius
ReplyDeleteAnd, obviously, none wanted to get involved in the effort either.
From one of the commenters Digby cites:
ReplyDelete"I see signs but I don't see them going to Iraq and taking up arms to fight the "extremists". It's all a sham.
Self-awareness: Never had it, never will.
That's 9/10 thinking.
ReplyDeleteWe're past 11/12 and up to 13/14 now.
That's Super Mario Buda!
ReplyDeleteThese dipshits have to predict The Big One on an almost daily basis in order to be ready on a moment's notice to post their big "I Told You So!!!11!"s (that've been on their hard drives for years, lovingly updated to reflect current nutbar "reality") as soon as some murderous (probably but not necessarily Muslim and possibly also American) dipshit squad gets lucky again, and maybe suitcase-bombs 1400 Pennsylvania Ave. $20 says they won't notice the address, either...
ReplyDeleteAs we've known for some time, there's no small amount of demented, gun-fondling Walter Mittyism on that side of the fence, but there's precious little genuine courage, and even less truth. Invariably, hyping the threat is meant to push other people into doing what they themselves cannot and will not.
ReplyDeleteRunning around screaming, "the sky is falling," is just a necessary tool to start another war they can watch from the safety of the couch.
"Cruz/Wormtongue 2016."
ReplyDeleteI would guess that the Venn diagram of the people willing to do something really seditious and stupid, and the people who would bomb 1400 Pennsylvania Ave. because they're sure Scary Sarah is never wrong, is a circle.
ReplyDeletePersonally I'd much prefer to be hit with a Quran than shot with a gun, but I'm unsentimental in that way.
ReplyDeleteSomeone who shall remain nameless has just retweeted a Facebook post wanking on thatt Nolan has 1500 or so FB friends WHO SAID NOTHING!! So they are "moderate Muslims" and "#complicit". Fuck me days these people are deranged. Someone tweets that the 1500 should be sent packing and someone else says they hope that "sum one" at the FBI is checking up on all the friends. Game over people, aside from adult diapers and snorkels there is not much you can do.
ReplyDeleteNeeds moar Cure video.
ReplyDeleteAn existential threat is (as any fule kno) when Jean-Paul Sartre pipes up from the back seat that he's feeling a bit queasy and he might just throw up if you don't stop the car RIGHT NOW..
ReplyDeleteI'll bet that one flew over their heads the cuckoo's nest at high speed....
ReplyDeleteFiqzed.
Or pretty much any character from Game of Thrones.
ReplyDeleteOh, I don't doubt more are packing today, and eyeing everyone with that special blend of paranoia and hope that gun-nuts get high on.
ReplyDeleteYou are one sick puppy--and i admire you for that!
ReplyDeleteA connection? How about non stop tv reports about how powerful ISISetc is?
ReplyDeleteBut what if those muslims are shouting " wolverines?" What then? We all kkow how that works.
ReplyDeleteIt's like Brecher was born to write about ISIS and similar groups. He seems to be one of the few people with both sociological and military depth. He puts things in perspective in a way almost nobody else does.
ReplyDeleteQuite the reverse. Wait a minute and they will insist thst the walmart shooting of the poor guy holding the toy rifle was a trial run by the jihadists.
ReplyDeleteAl-Trade and Al-Mark
ReplyDeleteAlso, per Peterson, "blacks are also encouraged to remain angry by so-called 'leaders' in this administration... If the anger and racism in black America is not exposed and dealt with, we will see more beheadings and bloodshed like we've seen in Oklahoma."
ReplyDeleteSo the Brown family should have made lemonade out of events in Ferguson by holding a "Brown Family Reunion and Cookout" instead?
"I mean, weren't they all loudly proclaiming how ready they were to shoot some bad guys just a couple months ago?"
ReplyDeleteWell yeah... as long as the "bad guys" are unarmed protesters in Ferguson or jackbooted gubmint thugs...er...BLM agents in Nevada who were under orders to not fire at the armed whackos.
Now, if someone was selling (at flea markets out of the back of their Impala station wagon) a semi-automatic beheader that could behead up to 20 people before needing a reload, I imagine the bedwetters would be calling for some kind of regulation!
ReplyDeleteYep, Saint Sarah Palin sez so.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it be amazing if such horrific acts resulted in more human workplace policies and conditions? Say....
ReplyDeleteThe American people KNOW it's Islam. Which is why Sikhs are being assaulted or killed.
ReplyDeleteWell, obviously those 1500 are either cowed into silence or, worse, fellow jihadists, because they FAILED TO POST ON FACEBOOK about ti.
ReplyDeleteThis is a funny one. If anyone is being "encouraged to remain angry" it's the teabaggers - isn't anger at the government, the media, and liberals their hallmark?
ReplyDeleteAnger, I guess is good enough for me, but not for thee.
Maybe if the media didn't give the ISIS beheading videos so much free publicity, then copycat murderers wouldn't have as much to copy.
ReplyDeleteThey'd have to think of some less sensationalistic way of killing their victims I guess.
That's the connection alright.
ReplyDeleteThe superhero movies are a big part of current pop culture, and a terrorist organization springs up with a name right out of the comic books. "ISIS" sounds like some supervillain group that the X-Men would be fighting or something.
I was thinking along those lines over the weekend, telling myself that surely the media couldn't be influenced by comic-book culture in this way... and then David Brooks comes on the TV talking about how ISIS is the "ideal villain," and imagining Obama wearing a cape.
No kidding.
If you were a Muslim at this moment, would you be comfortable buying a ticket to Syria or Iraq?
ReplyDeleteFucking TSA would never let you back in the country, I'm guessing.
So Jeanine Pirro felt compelled to weigh in:
ReplyDeleteI'm tired of taking outside ads to apologize to other religions while our government drags and sues the Little Sisters of the Poor to the United States Supreme Court for simply expressing their religious beliefs.
Naturally, the failed politician has a Fox program; they'd have given Nixon a program if the timing had been right.
The existence of white Muslims must BLOW THEIR MINDS. Which is an act of terrorism.
ReplyDeleteMaybe ISIS should just declare beheading as a protected feature of their religious beliefs. Then Pirro would be all over defending them, because she'd have to honor... the..
ReplyDelete...
...nope, can't do it.
(as any fule kno)
ReplyDeleteUpvoted.
They won't be happy until all 1.3 billion Muslims rip off the phony mask of being-normal and rise up with sabres and AK-47s. Of course, when that happens, all 1.3 billion will cry, as one, "We wanted to live a peaceful life, BUT YOU WINGNUT MORONS WON'T SHUT UP. WE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE." Think PowerLIne will take responsibility then? Grow up.
ReplyDeleteI've wondered how the gun nuts would react to the proposition that all adults over, say, age 18 should be allowed to own flame throwers, RPGs, M-16s, and literally anything else. Wouldn't their usual rationales apply? Has anyone asked LaPierre his position on bazookas (if such things still exist)? I'm serious.
ReplyDeleteMario Buda? He's never heard of Gautama Buddha.
ReplyDeleteWhy *not* ask people who have been in multiple firefights to raise their (smooth, clean) hands? Why not read that pistol-carrier the riot act? If provoked, I mean. How else will they, uh, learn?
ReplyDeleteSo there must be a Luigi Buda.
ReplyDeleteI had noticed that they seem a lot more worried about a whitish guy with an actual weapon, instead of a teenager in a hoodie with some Skittles, yes.
ReplyDeleteAs somebody once pointed out to Wayne-O, since the NRA doesn't have a problem with prohibiting citizens from owning nuclear weapons, we've already established that there actually ARE limits to the Second Amendment. Wayne's eyes did a stutter-step and you could almost hear the resistors in his head snapping from overloads, but he managed to duck the question and prattle on about the right to self defense.
ReplyDeleteWayne Coyne has become a bit tiresome of late.
ReplyDeleteim just waiting for thinkgeek to put out bacon-flavored playdoh . . . we will never hear from him again ! !
ReplyDeletethis is what happens when you grow up thinkin RED DAWN is a documentary
ReplyDeleteSurely the wingnuts would be equally outraged if one of their pale, demented anti-government, gun-loving brethern brutally killed someone and seriously wounded another.
ReplyDeleteThere'd be wall-to-wall coverage of the man and his views on FOX & Frein.
The media is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we *can* imagine...
ReplyDeleteFrankly, you can call Muslim Jihadists "Fascists" all day long, and I doubt they'd give a fuck, except for the ones who remember WW2, the Nazis, and Auschwitz....
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect for those Americans who actually die from terrorist attacks or even exceedingly loosely defined "terrorist attacks," it's astounding that there's such a vast and rabid movement against something that kills maybe five to ten Americans a year.
ReplyDeleteJihadi terror, destroying America one sixty-millionth of the population per year.
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