Wednesday, February 05, 2014

FREEDUMMIES.

In the latest attempt by wingnuts to make more of America as miserable as they are, some folks want to carve California into six separate states so at least a few of them will be Red/impoverished. (One of the new states would be called "Jefferson" because freedom.) This Washington Times puffer doesn't even try to conceal it:
Revenue from sales and property taxes also would be distributed unevenly among the six states. Jefferson and Central California have the lowest personal income taxes and the lowest sales and property tax bases, although Jefferson would become a net exporter of water. 
[Rich guy Tim] Draper said support for the six-state concept is highest in Central California and Jefferson because “the existing state is not working for them.” 
"Of course, we expect all six states to get richer because governments will be more in touch with their citizens,” Mr. Draper said... 
They may be smaller and poorer but they'll have responsive government, unlike those Silicon Valley statists. Folks'll naturally prefer their water-power computers to those powered by communism!
For [secessionist Mark] Baird, that’s the beauty of the six Californias proposal: bringing government closer to the people it represents. 
“When you ask people here about this, they tell you, ‘If I could live in a free state, I’d live with a few more potholes and some used equipment,’” said Mr. Baird. “We need representation. We’ll figure the rest of it out."
I assume Draper's got some land- and power-grab scheme in mind -- his home base, the Sovereign State of Silicon Valley, would become the richest in the country under this plan -- and that Baird, if he's not merely deluded, would try to use the threat of dehydration or deliberate flooding to end gay marriage in neighboring states in the name of the Lord, until a team of assassins financed by the Siliconians took him out and replaced him with a puppet regime. (Maybe by then Gary Sinise will be ready for a governorship.)

It makes sense, if you're of a cynical turn of mind, that as soon as Jerry Brown successfully un-fucked the state's finances after years of calamitous Republican rule -- and Californians decided they liked the change --  conservatives would try to flip the chessboard like this.

I'm put in mind of "Rule or Ruin," except with these guys it's always Rule and Ruin. Get a load of Human Rights Watch's report on the trend toward privatized, "offender-funded" probation services in some states -- the result of which is what anyone with a brain would expect: massive rip-offs and persecution of the poorest and most vulnerable citizens.
In Georgia, Thomas Barrett pled guilty to stealing a can of beer from a convenience store and was fined US$200. He was ultimately jailed for failing to pay over a thousand dollars in fees to his probation company, even though his entire income—money he earned by selling his own blood plasma—was less than what he was being charged in monthly probation fees...

Most courts do not even track and do not know how much their probation companies collect in fees from the probationers they assign to them. Companies treat those figures as a trade secret and refuse to publish them. Human Rights Watch estimates that in Georgia alone, probation companies take in at least $40 million in revenues from fees they charge to probationers
The report is mostly based on "interviews conducted with people in the states of Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi" -- three states where, you may be sure, the tax bases are low but the "freedom" is high, as evidenced by the innovative ways they've found to sell out their own people.

UPDATE. Good to see Andrew Cohen of The Atlantic is getting in on the privatized probation scam story. "The perils of private probation isn't a bigger national story, I reckon," writes Cohen, "because it does not impact the rich and powerful nearly as much as it impacts the poor and powerless." No shit.

148 comments:

  1. Forget it, Roy, it's Wingnutville...

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  2. tigrismus10:34 AM

    "Of course, we expect all six states to get richer because governments
    will be more in touch with their citizens,” Mr. Draper said


    Right, because the best way to save money would be to fund six governments instead of just one. Or maybe they could put a government kiosk on every street corner, with a menu of
    competitively priced services on offer. And a tip jar for all those
    happy citizen-customers!

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  3. Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps10:35 AM

    Tim Draper's definitely not trying to bestow the inland empire, LA and Norcal with liberty out of the goodness of his heart. He's just another in a line of billionaires, like Pete Thiel and Chamath Palihapitiya, who is convinced Silicon Valley and SF could be the next Dubai if it could just shed all the hicks, ghettos and Mexicans draining it. Unlike them, his innovation is to hide his plan behind a bunch of freedom-loving rubes from the sticks who are outright dismissive of the idea of a "working government".

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  4. RogerAiles10:49 AM

    Draper is very Reaganesque:


    http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/principal-extra-scoop.html

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  5. redoubtagain10:53 AM

    In that line: "Of course, we expect all six states to get richer because governments will be more in touch with their citizens,” Mr. Draper said...
    Anyone want to know what separate entities will do in a crisis, all they have to do is look at how the Atlanta metro area dealt with two inches of snow last week.

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  6. M. Krebs10:54 AM

    So I guess they've given up on that plan to build their own Shangri-La on a humongous boat.

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  7. Ellis_Weiner10:55 AM

    "Of course, we expect all six states to get richer because governments
    will be more in touch with their citizens,” Mr. Draper said...

    Wait--so government exists ("of course") to make states RICHER? And not to oppress with the dead hand of burdensome something something tax centralized tyranny something initiative sovereign Stalin moochers fiat individualism and their ilk?

    I used to think these people would say anything for a buck. But I see I was wrong. They'll say *everything.*

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  8. redoubtagain10:59 AM

    Yes, to make states richer, because states can do what "big government" (meaning the Dreaded Fed) can't. Because Gibbons v. Ogden never happened.

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  9. M. Krebs10:59 AM

    They're in love with the idea that local government is the best government, probably because they have a better chance of getting elected to it themselves.

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  10. Holy shit, and I thought the for profit prison system was the worst--the for profit parole/probationary system is even more evil. It was naive of me, since I have at least read the blurbs on The New Jim Crow, not to have grasped that the entire penal system in the US is taking the ante bellum south and the post reconstruction south as its template.

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  11. If "In touch" means "stripping out their organs for the profit of the top 1 percent."

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  12. I'm pretty sure these guys aren't planning to run for anything or do any work--they have paid staff for that.

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  13. Bubba Zanetti11:02 AM

    "Draper said support for the six-state concept is highest in Central California and Jefferson because “the existing state is not working for them."


    Yeah, they should be able to cook meth without excessive environmental regulation.

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  14. M. Krebs11:03 AM

    "If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy." -- Jack Handy

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  15. Bubba Zanetti11:05 AM

    Thomas Keller said the terroir of aquafarmed arugula was inferior and wouldn't sign on.

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  16. Ellis_Weiner11:06 AM

    Or a better chance of just buying it off.

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  17. Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps11:07 AM

    Or a better chance of outgunning it in a standoff.

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  18. Penniless Moocher11:12 AM

    You know, I always thought prisonplanet was a silly place for conspiracy nuts to go and vent their various mania to the internet. That was, until I realized that the incarceration of every citizen (or at least the poor) in literal fucking prisons may very well be the GOP endgame.

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  19. Mark_B4Zeds11:19 AM

    It's a simple redistricting scheme to get more Republican U.S. Senators. I think the effect is projected to be 6 more Republican Senators and 2 more Democrats. The effect on the citizens on the Balkanized remnants of California are secondary.

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  20. coozledad11:21 AM

    They finally figured out they'd be building the world's largest submersible.

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  21. M. Krebs11:25 AM

    Allow me to rephrase:

    ... probably because they have a better chance of electing the "right kind of people" to it.

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  22. Helmut Monotreme11:25 AM

    they don't want to incarcerate everyone. They just want to incarcerate enough of the poor, that they can't elect anyone sympathetic to their plight. Also, more incarceration means more prison jobs, and more money for privatized prison services. So, plot it out on a graph, what's the maximum percentage of the population that can be incarcerated, without employing prisoners as guards? That's the target incarceration rate.

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  23. Al Swearengen11:34 AM

    When secessionists actually get their fantasies on the ballot, non-meglomaniacs will finally tell them to go fuck themselves. Here in CO, the secession measures couldn't pass the counties that supposedly wanted to secede last fall.



    Sure, they get lots of press, but it's of the "Look at what these resentful, pissed-off old white men in the throws of Obama Derangement Syndrome want to do now" variety that doesn't translate into ballot results.

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  24. tigrismus11:37 AM

    If these low-tax moochers think the existing state is not working for them, just wait til they lose that sweet cash from Sacramento.

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  25. Small, responsive local government is the friend of liberty-loving schemers, scammers, four-flushers and bunco artists the world over.

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  26. Barry_D11:43 AM

    Or rather, their backers will have a better chance of buying it.

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  27. Helmut Monotreme11:43 AM

    The idea is interesting, if you're into dystopian fantasy. One of the biggest problems in California today, is fresh water, there isn't enough of it and competing interests have even resorted to bloodshed and dynamite in the past. Water rights are a confusing hodgepodge of competing claims. In some cases water allotments are a large multiple of the actual water available. Breaking California into six states would make those intrastate water disputes into interstate water disputes. How will that help anyone? In fact I can't think of a better way to take a system that barely works in the first place, and destroy it completely. In the midst of what is shaping up to be the worst drought in 500 years, this exceeds gross incompetence and looks a lot like malice.

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  28. marindenver11:50 AM

    “When you ask people here about this, they tell you, ‘If I could live in
    a free state, I’d live with a few more potholes and some used
    equipment,’”

    Now I realize this is purely a strawman construct he's made but if anyone really ever said that anywhere, that sentiment would last just until the big pothole opened up on their street and gummint workers never showed up to fill it.

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  29. mortimer200011:51 AM

    New one-stop California strip mall: probation company, payday loan shark, bail bondsman, jail.

    Remember archaic notions in Monopoly like "Bank error in your favor – collect $75"? and "Pay poor tax of $15"? It's finally occurred to me that when conservalibertarians play the game, they think it's a tax for being poor.

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  30. Bubba Zanetti11:51 AM

    The "Jefferson State" wingnuts are an interesting breed. I witnessed an argument where a wingnut was making crazy claims about logging being shut down by environmentalists. When it was pointed out that opening up Google Maps confirmed that clear cutting was alive and well, the wingnut then claimed that Google was known to "falsify" their images, their evidence being that right after Hurricane Katrina Google wasn't showing New Orleans as flooded. This was a liberal conspiracy, somehow.

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  31. Or until there was a disaster. These people forgot about Colorado Springs real quick, didn't they?

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  32. Once they found out that they couldn't pay for their seasteading operations in Bitcoin, that was the end of that.

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  33. tigrismus11:58 AM

    right after Hurricane Katrina Google wasn't showing New Orleans as flooded.

    The conspiracy is even more widespread than s/he thinks: my baby pictures still show a baby even though I'm now a little old lady!

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  34. coozledad11:59 AM

    I'm hoping that since the tea party and the Republicans drove North Carolina's monster truck deep in the shit trench, their 2012 electorate will stay home to fuck the cousins.


    But their people have a bottomless appetite for misery. I guess they think it demonstrates the hand of god working among them.

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  35. mortimer200012:06 PM

    And a tip jar for all those happy citizen-customers!

    And that much more fun to withold tips because Galt!

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  36. Bubba Zanetti12:09 PM

    And the high latency of a satellite connection resulted in an unacceptable amount of stale shares when mining bitcoins. Wait, you expected them to harvest actual real resources from the sea?

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  37. edroso12:16 PM

    The probable results should be explored. Ten years back wingnuts had the idea of doing the same thing to Texas, and I showed that it wouldn't be the big gainer they thought. Short version: What you gain in Senators you lose in electoral votes, and regional loyalties may fool you.

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  38. Maybe they can finally do a proper remake of Chinatown, perhaps with Jack Nicholson as Noah Cross.

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  39. Magatha12:25 PM

    You read my stringy, tough, not-at-all scrumptious little mind.

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  40. glennisw12:27 PM

    They think it's going to be a few potholes, but what it's going to be is no running water, no wildfire fighting, and no EMTs.

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  41. We should probably ask the Chinese where that sweet spot is...at least the one that lasted about 60 years...I heard on NPR this AM they're dumping their reeducation camps this year.

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  42. Helmut Monotreme12:38 PM

    Do they realize Boss Hogg, was not in fact the hero of the Dukes of Hazard?

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  43. M. Krebs12:44 PM

    New one-stop California strip mall: probation company, payday loan shark, bail bondsman, jail.


    There's gotta be a church in there too.

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  44. The Loud Little Handful have some big megaphones these days, but when push comes to shove there still ain't that many of them.

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  45. redoubtagain12:44 PM

    They're in love with the idea that white government is the best government

    Fixed

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  46. Nah, they'd need room for the unlicensed gun dealer. Gotta do something to jumpstart the business, after all.

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  47. tigrismus12:53 PM

    The church can be in the jail, and the bondsman can handle gun sales because he already knows his clients backgrounds, so: CHECKED!

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  48. Mike McCarthy1:06 PM

    Plus Congress has to sign off on this. No way other states want to see California get 10 more Senators.

    Can't happen.

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  49. tigrismus1:10 PM

    I don't know, you don't tip and next time you place an order, your pothole is filled with the fromunda asphalt.

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  50. Gromet1:17 PM

    One of my favorite things about driving I-5 between LA and San Francisco is seeing the signs that farmers have set by the roadside, reading "Another Congress-Created Dustbowl. Thanks, Pelosi!" For the past 5 years, these signs have been surrounded by lush, green crops. Evidently it never occurs to the farmers that maybe their low opinion of Congress is unjustified, and that Nancy is not hellbent on destroying them/her own state. Of course, I'm sure that this year, as a terrible drought really does wreck things, they won't change the signs to "Thanks, YHWH!" but will instead say "SEE?? We knew it all along!" It's a stupid anger no reality can mitigate.

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  51. coozledad1:20 PM

    It's a stupid anger the Republicans have worked to harness with everything they've got. A Grand Coulee of dumbfuck.

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  52. j_bird1:26 PM

    Is it possible that water control IS the endgame of this scheme? Control of the region's water would be a huge source of power in the hands of the lucky state that got it. They'd be like the Saudi Arabia of water.

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  53. marindenver1:40 PM

    Hell, they're forgetting about their own state!

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  54. redoubtagain1:48 PM

    Plus, if they can put enough minorities, especially African-Americans, behind bars, they won't be able to be elected President vote.

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  55. Bubba Zanetti1:49 PM

    I've been seeing "CONSERVE WATER - DAM IT!" bumper stickers. I'm not sure if they've thought about who is going to build those dams.

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  56. Halloween_Jack1:53 PM

    It makes sense, if you're of a cynical turn of mind, that as soon as Jerry Brown successfully un-fucked the state's finances after years of calamitous Republican rule -- and Californians decided they liked the change -- conservatives would try to flip the chessboard like this.


    Hey, Clinton and Gore unfucked the country's finances* and brought in a budget surplus, and what was Gore's reward for that?


    *Yes, I know, tech bubble, but it's worth noting that the real estate bubble never brought in a surplus in any of W's years in office.

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  57. Halloween_Jack1:58 PM

    With more and more working and middle-class people priced out of the SF real estate market, it's already halfway there. All it needs is a high-speed rail out to the desert to facilitate cattle-car-style shipping of "guest workers" back and forth, and a Google-shaped artificial archipelago off the coast.

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  58. Mark_B4Zeds2:28 PM

    Senate representation isn't proportional to population. They want to give 8 senators to the republican 1/3rd of the population by splitting them into 4 states, and 4 senators to the Democratic part by splitting them into two states. I think the actual split would be more likely 6-6 instead of 4-8, but that's still a big net gain for Republicans in the Senate.

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  59. Mark_B4Zeds2:29 PM

    The plan IIRC, packs the urban dems into a two statelets which will be overwhelmingly democratic.

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  60. AGoodQuestion2:30 PM

    Same reason as always: argument of convenience.

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  61. Mark_B4Zeds2:33 PM

    The loss in electoral votes would be due to losing the winner take all aspect of the contest. In that respect, splitting California also benefits Republicans. In Texas, splitting the state would have benefitted the dems in the presidential contests, because the new democratic state would contribute electoral votes where there were none previously. The opposite happens in California.

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  62. Mark_B4Zeds2:36 PM

    I don't think Congress would sign off on this, but if there's a big Republican majority in both chambers, I wouldn't bet against it. From my experience with redistricting, the party in power will use it's power to screw the other party any way they can. If they have the power, they will use it.

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  63. Spaghetti Lee2:39 PM

    But still, 4 of the 6 "states" went for Obama in 2012. Yes, even the Orange County/San Diego one. So if you assume that those 4 states elect 8 Democrats and count the two real Senators in that number, that's still a net gain for Democrats. These guys can't even do secessionism right. Also, which state do they think is going to be the squeaky wheel that gets the grease in Washington, the ones where the capitals are San Francisco and LA or the ones with Redding and Fresno?

    I think that these guys are old enough to remember a time when California helped Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I get elected, and think that if they game the system just right they can bring those days back. Not happening.

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  64. I'm curious about these people who have no "representation." They haven't been able to elect city officials to represent them? No county reps? No trade groups or lobbyists? No state or federal agencies? No state reps or senators? No one goes to Congress for them?

    When did all those layers of representation for Californians get stripped away?

    Follow-up question: Isn't the usual libertarian/right-wing position that government isn't the solution to our problems?

    I'll take my answer off the air.

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  65. AGoodQuestion2:42 PM

    I love the smell of freedom in the morning. It smells like... barbed wire.

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  66. Spaghetti Lee2:48 PM

    I'm a sucker for what-if demographic studies of alternate political situations (it's a niche market) so here's some thoughts. The map: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/2_4_2014_california8201jpg/

    First, if they think they're going to somehow get 8 Republican Senators out of this, they're nuts. 4 out of the 6 would-be states went for Obama. Yes, even the Orange County/Inland Empire one. Theoretically you could get a moderate establishment Republican senator elected along with a Democratic presidential ticket, but this isn't the sort of plan that caters to moderate establishment types. I count 6 new Democrats and 4 new Republicans.

    Here's a list of California counties ranked poorest to richest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_locations_by_income. Please draw your own conclusions.

    If this really is about water, I give the southern Mojave Desert state a year before the riots start. And remember, this is where they think all those suburban Republicans are going to show the Los Angelenos how to really run a government.

    A special note on the sheer arrogance of the would-be king of Silicon Valley for thinking that he'd be presiding over a kingdom of 25-year-old white male tech industry libertarians who would agree with everything he says, rather than noticing that most of the bay area's population lives in places like San Francisco, Oakland, Santa Cruz, Berkeley, etc. And not even the literal 'silicon valley' is some kind of Galtist fiefdom: Santa Clara and San Mateo counties are represented pretty much entirely by Democrats these days (they both went 70-30 Obama in 2012), and yes, even there there are some poor areas. Libertarians really can't understand that people who aren't exactly like them actually exist, can they? Guys like him want red state politics while still enjoying all the worldly and expensive amenities that keep guys like him living in blue states, even though they don't understand why.

    The number one export of Jefferson, given enough time, would be weed, not water. That's the best argument I can think of for cutting 'em loose.

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  67. satch2:49 PM

    Back in the 70's, New Hampshire governor Meldrim Thompson, who was a
    wingnut before the term was even coined, wanted to equip the N.H.
    National Guard with tactical nuclear weapons. He probably envisioned
    using them against Maine to settle disputes over lobster fishing rights,
    but the example is instructive... Silicon Valley would probably be the
    first to go nuclear, thereby ensuring its water supply in perpetuity.

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  68. TGuerrant2:57 PM

    Or who gets flooded out behind the dams.

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  69. smut clyde2:58 PM

    ante bellum south and the post reconstruction south as its template

    Shirley more the Ancien regime. Their outsourced, privatised tax system comes to mind -- sold to cronies and immensely profitable.
    I can't remember if the French have a word for "rentier".

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  70. TGuerrant2:58 PM

    Just like every time it gets cold we have new proof there's no climate change.

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  71. TGuerrant3:00 PM

    I've had my suspicions, j_bird.

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  72. TGuerrant3:02 PM

    An Issa in every pot!

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  73. Bubba Zanetti3:02 PM

    I do realize that the wingnut problem-solving chart starts with "Does this idea piss off liberals"...

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  74. TGuerrant3:04 PM

    Oh, God. Everybody I know in Montana just hit the floor howling. NOT IDAHO. NOOOOOOOOO. But Minnesota would be nice.

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  75. smut clyde3:05 PM

    Who controls the spice water...

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  76. I pretty much assumed this was about control of the water and the watershed areas.

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  77. StringOnAStick3:08 PM

    You know, I suspect that getting rid of CA as a political entity would render null and void the Colorado River Compact, by which so much water from the Colorado river gets diverted to CA for public and agricultural use (thanks to federal largess, which these greedy assholes should pay back). Without that water, CA is screwed and those of us upstream would suddenly get to keep a whole lot more of what flows within our borders.

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  78. satch3:08 PM

    See also:


    Christie, Chris; Governor

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  79. TGuerrant3:10 PM

    Except of course when it comes to busting people for pot. Even King Cruz wants his freedumbs protected by the federales when the bongs come out.

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  80. TGuerrant3:13 PM

    Yeah! Whatever happened to Beckistan? It's been like a year since he unveiled the wondrous Independence, USA, and none of my wingnut neighbors have packed up and moved. This is very disappointing.

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  81. satch3:15 PM

    Although now that I think of it, who would want radioactive lobster... or water?

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  82. redoubtagain3:16 PM

    Taxes list sounds like an Ancien regime official, guillotined in 1793--Gabelle de Ferme-Corvee, duc du Taille

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  83. TGuerrant3:20 PM

    Bwwaahahahahahahahha. The toll in downstream golf courses alone would be a magnificent bonus for the planet.

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  84. TGuerrant3:21 PM

    There you go, thinking to the next step. Doing that only prevents you from understanding the Mind of the Wingnut.

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  85. redoubtagain3:22 PM

    Mrs. Paul's Geiger Counter

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  86. satch3:26 PM

    Ah... as in: "Gerrymandering... it's not just for congressional districts any more!"

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  87. tigrismus3:45 PM

    "The lobster that broils itself?" Who wouldn't?

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  88. DocAmazing3:52 PM

    One wit used to put graffitti of salmon on those signs.
    It drives 'em nuts when they don't get theri allotment of taxpayer-subsidized imported water to grow alfalfa.

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  89. DocAmazing3:53 PM

    I spend a bit of time in Jefferson. It always amuses me to ask how they plan to keep roads paved and hospitals open with the tax base that they will have post-secession. Answers range from none to fanciful, with hostility usually served as a side dish.

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  90. DocAmazing3:54 PM

    No liquor store?

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  91. tinheart4:19 PM

    Every time California Republicans brag about their management skillz and money-making abilities, I think about the Orange County Bankruptcy of 1994:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/08/business/orange-county-s-bankruptcy-the-overview-orange-county-crisis-jolts-bond-market.html

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  92. smut clyde4:33 PM

    "There are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they?"

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  93. smut clyde4:36 PM

    This Washington Times puffer
    I am not eating that Fugu until I see the chef's certification.

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  94. Chocolate Covered Cotton4:39 PM

    Is there any reason given that wouldn't apply to any other state? (Ok, maybe not RI or DE, being glorified counties already) Why not a Northern, Southern, and Central Florida? Why not Upper and Lower Michigan? East and West Pennsylvania? Northern and Southern Ohio? Why shouldn't Las Vegas split off from the rest of Nevada and take 3/4 of the state's population and most of the tax base with them?


    For that matter, once this precedent is set, why shouldn't any of the statelets of the former California split further? Why wouldn't San Luis Obispo county secede from the great state of Silicon Valley or San Diego County choose not to support the desert farmers of El Centro?

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  95. Chocolate Covered Cotton4:42 PM

    Just to add: Jeez, these people are getting dull. At least seasteading was funny.

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  96. I'd never heard of Hruska. Touché.

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  97. satch4:58 PM

    Now Megan, show me on the dolly where the mean old government touched you...

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  98. Gromet5:00 PM

    Ha -- right? "If only the government would secure water rights for us from a neighboring state, construct a massively complex aqueduct to deliver it to our doorstep, and then LEAVE US ALONE."

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  99. dmsilev5:45 PM

    You laugh now, but just wait until Lobsterzilla emerges from the depths to ravage downtown Bar Harbor.

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  100. marindenver5:51 PM

    We too could have acres and acres of verdant green exclusive golf courses! Yay!

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  101. People just have no fucking clue how expensive civilization is. I am always gobsmacked by this. Its like every last one of them was hatched from the egg yesterday and they just take for granted everything around them, from sidewalks (which, admittedly, some suburban/rural types don't have) to street lamps, sanitation, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, etc..etc..etc... If you had to build this shit from scratch, and then fund it going forward, you are just going to need a shitload of money or everyone in your new little statelet is basically going to be living in sod huts and dying of preventable diseases.

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  102. My god, really? So its going to be Dam Baby Dam next election cycle?

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  103. He's really going to drive down the price per pound.

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  104. StringOnAStick6:15 PM

    Works for me. As a citizen of Colorado, I'm more than done with the endless CA push for more and more water.

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  105. M. Krebs6:19 PM

    Good point. He's my proposal for the strip mall of the future.

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  106. Gabriel Ratchet6:31 PM

    Forget about it, Helmut -- it's Chinatown.

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  107. TomParmenter6:35 PM

    Texas entered the Union with the reserved right to split into five states if they didn't like it. California came in without those rights (that "California republic business).

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  108. Guys like him want red state politics while still enjoying all the
    worldly and expensive amenities that keep guys like him living in blue
    states, even though they don't understand why.


    you've hit on the irony of historians who've studied conservativism in america, particularly since the 1960s - the impetus for not one but two terms under reagan, and the anti-tax movement which wrecked the state's finances for 35 years following - was borne from a state whose major industries were not only totally on the public tit, but was sculpted, settled, and suburbanized almost entirely by the federal government.

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  109. Roy, given this bad-faith proposal to pick pockets by carving up California in sextuple fashion you might have entitled it "Pricks' Degrees of Separation" and twisted that rapier just a little deeper.

    Your humble servant etc etc

    trex

    [prostates self in your direction in show of respect, if not obeisance, and acknowledgment of your superior ability]

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  110. TGuerrant6:46 PM

    Yep. Five rural western Maryland counties that have 11% of the state's population want to be their own state. That, some fear, won't work - too small a population - so they're suggesting the five counties annex themselves to West Virginia.

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  111. Gabriel Ratchet6:54 PM

    I've often described libertarians as people who think that roads just happen ...

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  112. mommadillo7:01 PM

    I imagine this happened to it:

    "People would also have the option to live in Independence, with a residential area where people of different incomes could all come together and be neighbors."

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  113. BigHank537:08 PM

    Does it rotate, or do you make the customers consumers citizens walking wallets shuffle between cash-extraction facilities?

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  114. Gabriel Ratchet7:12 PM

    Well, given that Rhode Island's official name is "The State of Rhode Island and the Providence Plantations", it already has the potential to be two even smaller states ...

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  115. BigHank537:12 PM

    Confederate apologists are forever searching for the timeline in which the idea worked.

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  116. KatWillow7:12 PM

    Keep in mind CA is one of the richest states, drought or no drought.

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  117. M. Krebs7:17 PM

    You know, I wonder what would happen if for some reason the population of some state dwindled to just a handful of people. I mean, say, a hundred people or less. Would that state still get to have two senators and one full vote in the House?

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  118. TGuerrant7:21 PM

    If it was Republican, of course it would.

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  119. BigHank537:26 PM

    Also, locating those prisons in rural majority-white areas will allow them to draw congressional districts that favor low-income whites, who tend to vote Republican.

    Wait, they've already been doing that for twenty years.

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  120. M. Krebs7:28 PM

    In some of your wealthier areas -- like Boca Raton or Beverly Hills -- you might see a really deluxe one that rotates.


    BTW, I left out mistakenly omitted a law firm. I guess that should go between the bail bondsman and the courthouse?

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  121. smut clyde7:42 PM

    A logical development from the company store.

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  122. smut clyde7:46 PM

    I'm not sure if they've thought about who is going to build those dams


    The people who are most keen on the idea of freedom without the oppressive hand of central government, always seem to be the ones living in parts of the world which lack the basic resources for survival and only support a population because of large, centralised governmental projects.

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  123. smut clyde7:48 PM

    But look at all the monorails and sports stadia you get!

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  124. DocAmazing7:49 PM

    Maybe everyone completed their re-degrees.

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  125. tigrismus7:54 PM

    The army just needs a couple really huge rubber bands...

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  126. coozledad8:07 PM

    Needs a Waffle House and a glory hole.

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  127. meldrim. thompson. this man couldn't do *anything else* but become a governor of a tiny state and lobby for nukes.

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  128. BG, dismayed leftie8:44 PM

    So what makes these new "states" think they would be accepted into the US and have any representation in Washington? Or don't they care?

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  129. Jaime Oria8:49 PM

    I'll just leave this here -

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  130. JennOfArk8:55 PM

    "That way madness lies," "the sleep of reason begets monsters," & etc.

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  131. dmsilev9:31 PM

    We're going to need a bigger bib.

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  132. So was planking!

    Wait. No, it wasn't.

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  133. mortimer20009:53 PM

    New California state motto: Ex uno, plures

    Or, as Cato liked to say: Habeo meum. Fuck you.

    (Mea culpa to actual Latin scholars)

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  134. In fact I can't think of a better way to take a system that barely works in the first place, and destroy it completely.

    Bingo!

    this exceeds gross incompetence and looks a lot like malice.


    Yahtzee!

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  135. BigHank5310:03 PM

    I just assumed the Department of Libertarian Works would come along and stuff a dead hobo into the pothole. Complain too loudly and the DLW will find a pothole for you.

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  136. mortimer200010:03 PM

    If it were Republican, of course it would.

    Wyoming, one of the reddest states in the union. Despite only 583,000 people, it has 2 Senators and 1 Congressman more than true-blue Washington, D.C., which has 80,000 more people. Of course, if we gave it some thought we might come up with another reason for this injustice.

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  137. BigHank5310:08 PM

    Needs a Waffle House and a glory hole.


    Now, that's what I call synergy.

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  138. Slocum4:09 AM

    "I assume Draper's got some land- and power-grab scheme in mind -- his home base, the Sovereign State of Silicon Valley, would become the richest in the country under this plan -- and that Baird, if he's not merely deluded, would try to use the threat of dehydration or deliberate flooding to end gay marriage in neighboring states in the name of the Lord, until a team of assassins financed by the Siliconians took him out and replaced him with a puppet regime."


    None of this is the least implausible. I like how I can just blithely think of some of my fellow citizens as Lex Luthor (the Gene Hackman one).

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  139. Halloween_Jack7:42 AM

    "Hey, guess what we've got, humans? That's right: a big fuckin' pot of boiling water."

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  140. Halloween_Jack7:55 AM

    Yet again, I'm sad that Marc Reisner isn't still around to update Cadillac Desert. (Although it's still very relevant, 20 years after the updated edition.)

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  141. redoubtagain8:28 AM

    Gamera comes home from work, smells dinner

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  142. Oh, I dunno. I can think of some downright hilarious ways to combine seasteading and planks.

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  143. *Ahem* As an actual ... [Holds up psychic paper] ... Latin scholar, may I just point out that it should be "Mea culpa to the max."

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  144. chuckling9:14 AM

    It's not just a privatized probation scam, many states and local counties have set it up as a cash cow they themselves can milk. I'm nor surprised it's much worse in the confederate states, but it's still very bad in much the rest of the mostly invisible parts of the country. People who get entangled in the court system have to pay for court costs, regular drug testing, probation services, and various administrative fees while being required to work and prevented from leaving town. It's creating an indentured class of cheap labor that will never be able to leave the farm. In the drug world, it's not unusual to hear of people having to cook up a batch of meth to pay for their drug tests.


    The reason we don't hear about it more is not just because it mostly impacts the poor and powerless. As counterpoint, consider that we are all familiar with the plight of the urban poor. The media and the democratic party does speak to their issues and work to alleviate their problems. The rural poor, on the other hand, have no political party that even attempts to represent them, much less help them in their plight, and thereby pointing the national media spotlight their way. And for those obsessed with the ethnicity/gender/religion construction, I'll point out that the oppressive legal system that's targeting the poor in so much of the land does not limit itself to any one particular imaginary social construct. It's an equal opportunity serfdom.

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  145. "Is that how a warped brain like yours gets its kicks? By planning the deaths of innocent people?"

    "No, by causing the deaths of innocent people."

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  146. Al Swearengen12:28 PM

    And Cheeto farts.

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  147. The Laffer curve of the prison-industrial complex.

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