Maybe because Boot didn't put any Obama-bad gibberish into his piece to show his heart was in the right place, his commenters at Commentary are overwhelmingly negative, and some even call Boot a liberal. Samples:
Just like the Benghazi whistle-blowers, this guy is a hero for exposing an unconstitutional NSA program. Let's hope that many more Patriots that work inside the IRS, EPA, DOJ, NSA, FBI, etc step forward and bring this tyrannical administration down!
You lefties are ridiculous. This guy is a hero. No media outlet would listen to him.
Obama et al. are destroying our world with their world domination.
The civil liberties of all Americans are being sacrificed for political correctness.
Mr. Boot confuses America with American Government, the latter being rabidly anti-American.
You'll get little traction serving as a mouthpiece for Obama the louse, Maxie, my boy.
Greenwald is a lefty and he's active. That's the end of that story. But I agree that giving another lefty, Dear Leader Obama, as much power as PRISM seems to have is a big mistake. Can anyone guarantee he didn't use that all computing power to beat Romney?
"Let us not let our dislike of Obama and his administration blind us to the damage these men have done to our national security."
No, MR. I would say Let us not let our dislike of Obama and his administration blind us to the damage Obama and his administration have done to our national security. (This one's my personal favorite - Ed.)
He is no hero if like Germany's Fuhrer, you equate Barack Hussein Obama with the United States of America. Boot clearly does equate Obama with America. Shameful!
Here, a parable. In Chile, in 1973, a man on a white horse came riding up to the Presidential Palace, killed the Marxist living there (Salvador Allende, who was Chile's Barack Obama!) and moved in. For the next 18 years, Augusto Pinochet murdered, imprisoned, sent into exile, tortured, persecuted and in general "did away with" the Left in his country. What emerged was a democratic republic that today is the freest and least corrupt nation in Latin America. That's where we're heading---if we're lucky.This whole thing's beginning to remind me of Lenny Bruce's "Comic at the Palladium" bit, in which an American comic, bombing terribly in a swell London venue, in desperation yells "Screw the Irish! They really gave ya a bum rap, the IRA, huh?" and the audience starts rioting. "Wait a minute," yells the comic, "that was just a joke!" "Not around here! Screw the Irish!" responds a spectator as the seats are ripped up. Similarly, these guys are so desperate at this point that they'll try anything, and it's starting to look like the yahoos they've spent years whipping into a paranoid-delusional frenzy aren't so easy to control anymore.
Now we know that the NSA monitors communications! COMMUNICATIONS!!!
ReplyDeleteThey got one of these guys to denounce Pinochet, huh? Damn.
ReplyDeleteI've thought about this in the wee early hours. If I had a time machine, I think all I'd do with it is go back 2003 and travel around the country with a camera, talking to conservatives. I would walk up to every conservative I could find and say the following: "The day will come when you will be so mortified by the government, the security state, and the intelligence apparatus that you will be cheering for the people whom you call traitors now." And then I would record the response, not so much for anyone's edification, but mostly so that my friends and I could have a big ol' laugh at the world's expense.
Yes, it's petty, but I dare you to come up with a better application for time travel.
They got one of these guys to denounce Pinochet, huh?
ReplyDeleteI didn't read it that way. It seemed to me he was citing Pinochet's crimes against humanity approvingly.
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ReplyDeleteHere, a parable. In Chile, in 1973, a man on a white horse came riding
ReplyDeleteup to the Presidential Palace, killed the Marxist living there (Salvador
Allende, who was Chile's Barack Obama!) and moved in. For the next 18
years, Augusto Pinochet murdered, imprisoned, sent into exile, tortured,
persecuted and in general "did away with" the Left in his country. What
emerged was a democratic republic that today is the freest and least
corrupt nation in Latin America. That's where we're heading---if we're
lucky.
the yahoos they've spent years whipping into a paranoid-delusional frenzy aren't so easy to control anymore
ReplyDeleteBasically, I see it as having trained them to be incoherent. That's all very well, until you try to be coherent with them, and then you're gonna have a bad time.
i meant
ReplyDeleteOne of many brilliant touches in that Lenny Bruce bit is that the guy is barely even trying by that point— literally the entire content of his provocation is, "Screw Ireland, how's about that? They really bum-rapped you, the IRA-- I read about it in the paper." If he were Glenn Reynolds he could've reduced it to just "Heh, indeed." The audience does all the rest, embellishing it in ways that would make a wingnut blogger proud ("Screw the Irish, they stole the Grail!!!"), even though the rage they're venting was mostly due to having been stuck listening to that same shitty comedian for two hours. I wonder if that isn't a crucial ingredient in effective propaganda: the recognition that the person who's selling it to you really doesn't have anything to offer, that it's hollow unless you pour your own anger into it, so you're driven to pour in more and more just to keep it from sagging back into an awkward silence.
ReplyDeleteFor the next 18 years, Augusto Pinochet murdered, imprisoned, sent into exile, tortured, persecuted and in general "did away with" the Left in his country. What emerged was a democratic republic that today is the freest and least corrupt nation in Latin America. That's where we're heading---if we're lucky.
ReplyDeleteNewfound love of civil libertarianism goes kablooie in less than (checks watch) 48 hours. A new record!
That is unpossible, sir, for we have it on good account from Dennis that this whole "eliminationism" way of thinking -- where the way forward to the radiant Millennium is simply to kill all the leftists -- does not exist, but was fabricated in its entirety by Norman Cohn Neiwert.
ReplyDeleteA wonderful title, Roy, and spot on about the yahoos no longer being in control (having intermittent visions of brooms wearing tri-corner hats).
ReplyDeleteThe Tea Partiers are mostly unafraid in making their "government bad" case, so when something comes along that affirms that general opinion, well, better stand back--especially when it's Obama's government. Das Boot wasn't at all prepared for this seeming deviation from the authoritarian line.
I do think the fellow offering us the parable has causes and effects so utterly confused (and is so dependent upon hyperbole) that the result is unintentional humor, especially in the context of the subject of police state behavior (nor do I think I've seen quite such unalloyed praise for military coup and martial law, so I suspect he's secretly on Boot's side in this matter--but his solution to the problem would be for Col. Ralph Peters to off Obama and take over the government, for our own good, of course). It certainly reinforces the unwritten Tea Party rule that government under Bush was good, but government under the Muslim Marxist Pretender to the Throne is always bad, even when it does what Bush did.
An exceptionally slick demagogue would have a ready-made constituency in 2016, I think. The yahoos have really gotten the hang of doublethink.
Longing for the days of Pinochet? That ain't just trolling, either. Goddam. (It isn't just commentators; I've lost track of how many rich right-wingers openly admire(d) him.)
ReplyDeleteThe reaction to Boot reminds me of Gingrich (justifiably!) criticizing Paul Ryan in the Republican primaries. Gingrich badly misjudged his selective and strategic truth-telling, and had to back-pedal, finally sputtering that anyone who quoted his statements on Ryan (accurately) would be a liar. Boot forgot to signal to the rabid faithful that he was one of them. (One of them! One of them!) Stroking tribal identity is one thing Rush Limbaugh is quite good at (the airing of grievances, the assertions of both victimhood and superiority, the hating of the blacks, the shaming of the sluts, etc.). Now if this were pulp sci-fi, cliché #1 would kick in: With terrible irony, the monster destroyed its own creator! Alas, it rarely works out that way in real life; sure, the rabid might occasionally make Boot, Rich Lowry and Nick Gillespie shit their pants, but mostly, they just make sure the rest of us can't have nice things.
(I once joked that there were five descending levels of hellish conservatism: Preserve cultural privilege; preserve the aristocracy; repeal the New Deal; repeal the Constitution; and repeal the Enlightenment.)
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Do callers to Hannity still stroke each other with "You're a great American, Sean," "You're a great American, my friend"? I've always found this to be a wonderfully concise and sublimely simple-minded microcosm of the present-day right-wing's inflated sense of heroic patriotism and tribal superiority, especially when you consider that it's the Hannity clown's trope. I only mention it because this Snowden thing has put the Great American tribe in a hilarious state of cognitive dissonance right now. On the one hand, reliable go-to wingnuts like John Bolton and Peter King are saying that Snowden committed the "worst form of treason." (Ralph Peters is screaming for summary execution, but when isn't he?) On the other hand, cartoon enemies like Dianne Feinstein are saying the same thing. Meanwhile, Snowden and the Paul family are mutual admirers, other cartoon enemies like Ron Wyden are praising little Rand and handing him awards, and the Pauls have some of fastest knee-jerking flying monkeys on the Internet -- like Boot's present commenters -- which muck up the works even more.
ReplyDeleteSo drive-time wingnuts are desperately waiting for their glibbest radio assholes to step up and tell them what to think about all this. Initially, Limbaugh said Snowden was a hero, but as mainstream conservatives took the opposite tack, he's advanced to the "Snowden is a distraction, Obama is the traitor" wait and see stage.
It's a tough time to be a wingnut. It was so much simpler when Bush was bailing out Wall Street.
Torturing and murdering people who have the wrong political opinion = FREEDOM
ReplyDeleteOnce TARP became unpopular, it became Obama's idea, remember?
ReplyDeleteWhat’s the Matter with Metadata?
ReplyDeletePosted by Jane Mayer
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/06/verizon-nsa-metadata-surveillance-problem.html
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Kinda like FISA, in other words.
ReplyDeleteI'm so old I remember when openly longing for a fascist dictator to assassinate government leaders and impose tyranny was a bad thing.
ReplyDeleteIt's not even that they've trained them to be incoherent. It's that they've been trained according to Cleek's Law. Their actions make perfect sense if you just remember that their training forces them to oppose ANYTHING that liberal's might like--even if that anything is something they vigorously supported earlier this morning.
ReplyDeleteI see what you did there. Thank God I can't smell it, too.
ReplyDeleteI've been wondering how the Right were going to move beyond sputtering about how shocked, shocked they are that there's spying going on in this establishment. Michelle Malkin's goddamn stupid "It was okay when Bush did it because he was fighting terrorism" was pretty obviously not the way to go. But now that Paul Ryan has joined the chorus of people gravely concerned at Obama's latest assault on American liberty, and they've all decided that whistleblowers are patriots (except former Ambassador Wilson, the pro-Saddam traitor), I think I'm seeing the angle:
ReplyDeleteWildly throw around "lawless" and "unconstitutional" to obfuscate the fact that these actions are probably legal under current law that these shitstains stampeded to enact. If it becomes the conventional wisdom that it's not the Patriot Act or amended FISA that's the problem, just the lawbreaking Obama administration, then they can have their fascist cake and eat it too. Because then they have their grounds for an "Illegal for a Democratic president to do" approach, the current administration is hamstrung across the board, and the whole apparatus remains intact for the next Republican president.
Which is why my cynicism isn't merely "Eh, spying, what you gonna do?" It's more "Oh, now sweeping telecom monitoring is bad, after you people legalized it. What a coincidence." The Patriot Act isn't getting repealed over this. FISA isn't going back to its original form, let alone getting made more stringent. Rand Paul will still declare American Muslims suspect based on what religious leaders they listen to. But at least a Democratic administration might be politically damaged. Baby steps, I guess.
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ReplyDeleteCongress should get right on that, then, shouldn't they? It's not illegal for the NSA to use metadata.
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Meanwhile, Snowden and the Paul family are mutual admirers
ReplyDeleteHuh, I guess that helps explain why he chose Hong Kong as his bastion of liberty and free expression to flee to.
They'll be able to get three full years out of Snowden-the-martyr-for-freedom, always a popular trope. Should a GOP candidate crawl into the Presidency in 2016, don't expect a pardon. Don't expect any legislation to be introduced that would change anything. It's just going to be conservative caterwauling and pearl-clutching over the perfidy and misdeeds of the evilest* President ever, while never losing sight of the GOP goals: cutting taxes on the rich, eliminating the social safety net, along with whatever monstrous tidbits it takes to keep the Jesus-squeezers in line.
ReplyDeleteThey've already tried to create a link to the ACA: The government wants all your health-care data too! Hiss! The IRS death-panels will steal your kidneys! I have to admit I'm looking forward to the pretzel logic that'll be used to explain how the NSA's being able to see how many calls the Walton family makes to their broker means their income should be tax-exempt.
*He is the blackest President ever. You can look it up.
It was also so much simpler when Bush was data mining and tapping phones without a warrant.
ReplyDeleteFor the next 18 years, Augusto Pinochet murdered, imprisoned, sent into
ReplyDeleteexile, tortured, persecuted and in general "did away with" the Left in
his country.
And they say that like it's a GOOD thing.
"(I once joked that there were five descending levels of hellish conservatism: Preserve cultural privilege; preserve the aristocracy; repeal the New Deal; repeal the Constitution; and repeal the Enlightenment.)"
ReplyDeleteThat's not only true, but they're now trying to accomplish it all at once.
Someone else used the term Neiwertian before Dennis, so he loses points for being unoriginal.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised it wasn't Singapore.
ReplyDeleteWell, yeah, I get the "after you people legalized it" business. Political cravenness has been in top form for several decades, but it really peaked after 9/11. But, as long as there continues to be widespread aversion to saying, "umm, I think we fucked up," the political opportunists will do everything possible to find partisan fault in bipartisan clusterfuckery.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, that puzzles me. He may be a computer wiz but politically, Snowden is kind of a moron. China, really? As if they are not going to feed him to the wolves at the drop of a hat. If he was smart he would have chose Venezuela.
ReplyDeleteThat's because they hate America.
ReplyDeleteI say that unsarcastically. These folks really do hate pretty much everything the country (once) stood for. They hate the majority of their fellow citizens. They hate their government. They would be much happier living in a theocracy or Nazi Germany (again, this is not hyperbole - the punishment the Nazis inflicted on anyone who was not "one of us" is their dearest wish come to life).
And yet they are the ones running around in the knee breeches and tri-corner hats, proclaiming to one and all that anyone else who doesn't hate the country as much as they do is unpatriotic.
They do, indeed. It's an authoritarian trait to see the people who disagree with the authoritarians as domestic enemies to be eradicated. It's not often that we see that tendency expressed as literally as this, but it's there, like an underground river.
ReplyDeleteThese mangos are making me dizzy.
ReplyDeleteHe went to China for the same reason he told Glenn Greenwald - it's not
and never has been about transparency or freedom or civil rights or
liberty or any of that. It's about bringing down America. This is
Greenwald's sole purpose in the world. Snowdon told Greenwald because he
didn't have ready access to the Chinese government.
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You lefties are ridiculous. This guy is a hero. No media outlet would
listen to him. Obama et al. are destroying our world with their world
domination.
Well, Sweden used to be a destination of choice. Not any longer, though. Ecuador seems to have its quota of whistleblowers, and Iceland has put the center-right back in power, so they're out. But, a luxury hotel in Hong Kong just seems wrong on so many counts--among them that his money is going to run out well before his Plan B materializes. This guy is no Miles Kendig.
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Maybe you're looking at this the wrong way, Roy. If you take the perspective that Dianne Feinstein and Barack Obama agree with Max Boot that Snowden (and Manning and Greenwald and probably Assange, though he's not a US citizen) is a traitor, it becomes clearer.
ReplyDeleteRight, and once the Sequestration became unpopular, it stopped being Obama's idea, remember?
ReplyDeleteYeah, me too. "Heightening the contradictions" is so 196X.
ReplyDeleteActually, I'd use a time machine to drag Tom Paine into the 21st century and see what he thinks of it.
ReplyDeleteMind you, explaining electricity, microprocessors, networking, nuclear physics and the National Security Act of 1947, along with catching him up on two hundred years of history might take a little time, but, he was a bright guy.
I'm sure he'd tell you that you aren't allowed to object, because he clearly labeled it a "parable," and "parables" are figurative language, so he didn't mean it literally. He's not calling for a fascist dictator to assassinate government leaders and impose tyranny, he's only expressing his hope and wish and masturbatory daydream about a fascist dictator assassinating government leaders and imposing tyranny, which is one of those nuanced distinctions you fking libtards don't understand, which is why he would like to have you all killed, in an entirely figurative way.
ReplyDeleteOT: How long have we been able to tell who upvoted and downvoted by hovering over the little arrows? Fascinating.
ReplyDeleteI just noticed as well. It's a little sad how pleased I am about it.
ReplyDeleteSome of us remember when the late-but-not-much-lamented JS-Kit would give you a list of everyone who "liked" your comment.
ReplyDeleteI guess Disqus is trying to replicate many of the old JS-Kit features, but without the bugs that led so many to type FYJSK. Instead, we have a system that develops periodic amnesia, forcing everyone to sign in repeatedly.
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" Instead, we have a system that develops periodic amnesia, forcing everyone to sign in repeatedly."
ReplyDeleteThere must be a bunch of slow-witted contractors to the NSA that can't keep up.
I was doing my best not to offer them any suggestions, y'know.
ReplyDeleteFor all we know, he might have sold far more critical information than what he released. He could be sitting on his front porch sipping margaritas at his ranch in Paraguay by now.
ReplyDeleteI love the Guardian, but they screwed the pooch on this one.
However, the story in the Mail Online about Snowden's ballerina/pole dancer/aspiring acrobat girlfriend is interesting.
Isn't that a Killing Joke cover?
ReplyDeleteDA, you're such jealous and obsessed fuckstick. I never claimed to be the first one to use the term, but it's interesting your level of abject weirdness that you'd google all the way back to 2003 to show that some obscure no-name used the term on a blog no one's ever heard to make a stupid claim that I wasn't being original, which I never claimed.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, dude, stop obsessing over me and get a job and a f'ng life. For real.
Shorter conservatism: "Just give us free reign to murder, and in 18 short years we'll improve the economy!"
ReplyDeleteLook up 'confirmation bias', smut. Dave Neiwert's name should be listed in several places in the footnotes. I'd Google it for you but I'm late for my next Eliminationists Anonymous meeting.
ReplyDeleteChina doesn't consistently extradite US fugitives, but in as high-profile a case as this one, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. If the US applies sufficient political and economic pressure, they'll bend.
ReplyDeleteDennis, that's funny, coming from the guy who had all his efforts at trolling at Sadly, No! come to naught.
ReplyDeleteYes, you're not original, you're an asshole, and you probably need to GAFL away from my comments here and elsewhere.
Less than 3 hours before you can go home, try not to trample anyone on the way out, Dwight. :-)
You say that knowing full well those same folks comprise the bulk of your customer base, JennofArk. Those red state people you hate so much that come in to truck stops, Stuckeys and Cracker Barrels to buy your novelty trinkets. As much as you loathe them for their views, which is almost purely projection, you have no problems making a living off their kindness.
ReplyDeleteGet a grip, Dennis. It's just 2 more hours before you can leave your cubicle serfdom for yet another day.
ReplyDeleteThat's funny, you're forced to post under constantly-changing nyms because Substance told everyone there how to run a killfile programme so that they could eliminate your posts. And you were admonished by the blogger there for posting personal information.
I thought that it was directed toward the comments that used my real name, Dennis. Since you're already aware of it, I'm puzzled why that detail got overlooked by you in your re-telling of this particular tale.
Is it nice not having to think about what day it is, or what week in the month it is, or what year it is, since they're all the same to you, DA, just rolling in to the next; no deadlines, no commitments, no goals to be met, no emails to reply to, no phone calls to pick up, no knocks on your door, no interruptions in your train of thought from your Googling/copying/pasting vocation, or no real need to stay in shape, just slumped over a laptop all day long and most of every night?
Actually, Dennis, the laptop was minus a functioning power supply for a week, but I managed to adapt, as well as do a few things like gardening, cooking, cleaning up, shopping, you know, stuff that a househusband does in the normal course of a week.
I'm so touched and pleased that you took such careful time to paint a picture that is inaccurate in all particulars Dennis, it almost sends a wistfulness as if you would trade in your MOTU production 60 hour work week for the chance to just rest, and be your lovely self for a while.
2 Hours, Dennis.
Thanks for displaying what a conservative mind looks like, cowboi, and try not to trample any of your fellow serfs as you make your way out of the office today.
So what you're saying Pennis, is I should love Nazis because they spend money, too? Why is it that learning that this is your takeaway from my comment comes as no surprise at all?
ReplyDelete"Say what you will about Hitler, but the man brought the German economy out of the depression!"
Yes, we understand that for impotent moral monsters such as yourself, Pennis, that this is the most important point.
That might be the perfect avatar for the tea party...white, overweight, wearing a flag T-shirt and crying like a little bitch.
ReplyDeleteMy takeaway is that your post was garbled stream of conscience nonsense, Doxxer JennofArk. It's just that you've repeated it so often that I can now make out what you're trying to put forward. None of it can be verified, not that you think for one minute that any of it's true to begin with. You need someone to blame for your failings, and conservatives seem to be your object of desire for that. It doesn't help you, it doesn't change you for the better, but it feels good, so like a nicotine addict or a food junkie, you keep doing it. I actually think your knowing you make money off the very same folks you despise, that the FU factor is very strong and satisfying to you.
ReplyDeleteNo, it wasn't. It was directed at you and your various nyms.
ReplyDeleteIs that what Cerb stated? Because I remember her as condemning doxing, which some of the comments made did about me. That you think it was about you demonstrates an almost pathological level of paranoia on your part.
.An hour and a half, Dennis. Get a grip, and try not to get quit of me yet.
I don't know about being overweight, but I can easily visualize Dennis fitting the rest of your description.
ReplyDeleteIt also mysteriously hides or "disappears" comments, sometimes for hours at a time.
ReplyDeleteThe first clue for you, CLueless One, was that she deleted your doxxing comment at the same time she stated that doxxing was verboten no matter which side it was coming from. There was no doubt she was saying that to you, and you're denial is a mixture of cluelessness and weaseling on your part.
ReplyDeleteI realize it's an old thread, and thus a fun place for off-topic flame wars, but can you guys cut it out? It's depressing.
ReplyDeleteNever been to a tea party, not overweight, and don't cry, JennOfArk. That's the image you want to have, though. It's just as bigoted and stereotypical as the worst racist you know is. IN effect, your hatred of others is no different than that of the ugliest racists in America.
ReplyDeleteSorry.
ReplyDeleteHey, at least the NSA usually put them back when they're done.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little sad how pleased I am about it.
ReplyDeleteHumph. What happened to internet privacy, I ask you?
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ReplyDeleteBut Dad...he started it!
ReplyDeleteGet back to your production and off the iPad, Dwight.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your concern. Mocking stupidity is not bigotry. Stop trying to play the victim.
ReplyDeleteThe way she does it certainly is bigotry, gocart. Her opinions aren't based on any kind of scientific or verifiable evidence other that her own personal, biased anecdotal observations. Their broad-based, sweeping, stereotypical generalizations that stem from her narrow-minded, intolerant prejudices about conservatives that she comes across in her section of the country, which she then applies to all conservatives. Yeah, gocart, that is bigotry. Without question.
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