...on the alleged assault on Bob Woodward, a hilarious concept. If this is how things worked, Ross Douthat, George Will, Jennifer Rubin, and dozens of other such like would be occupying deep landfill right now.
At least this story introduced me to the wonderful #StandWithWoodward Twitter tag, which has given me such gems as "Woodward goes after another #liberal President, the 1st being Nixon. Unlike Nixon, #Obama tries threats & intimidation." History education ain't what it used to be.
If mocking someone for being as dumb as shit is an assualt, I'm primed for the gas chamber.
ReplyDeletewrote Matt K. Lewis at the Daily Caller. "Looks like we were played."
ReplyDelete1) How could anyone tell, and 2) th' fuck difference would it make?
G. Gordon Liddy used to fuck guys like Woodward in prison.
ReplyDeleteIf, as the saying goes, a good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, then all you have to do for rightbloggers is show them that same ham sandwich, and they'll all bark, slobber, and chase (while knocking over the furniture).
ReplyDeleteNone of them seem to have read anything Woodward wrote subsequent to The Final Days. For that matter, none of them seem to have read much at all.
ReplyDeleteWoodward goes after another #liberal President, the 1st being Nixon.
ReplyDeleteTimes like this I think it would a worthwhile exercise to bring George Orwell back to life just so he could read right-wing blogs.
I also find it hilarious that, in the same week that all this shit went down, Josh Trevino and Ben Domenech were discovered taking payola from the Malaysian government to defame an opposition leader in that country. Right-wingers don't need the government to intimidate them into right-think, they'll do it on their own for $400 grand (Trevino's asking price, apparently). I do hope you'll write about that mess, Roy, because the only thing funnier than watching these guys bark and foam is watching them shit the bed.
ReplyDeleteI'm just amazed that it's legal to hire people to spread propaganda - this all came out because Trevino had to file a document acknowledging he was being paid off by dictators.
ReplyDeleteOf course, bribery and propaganda is no threat to the First Amendment, unlike government officials ranting at reporters.
So I'm assuming that with absolute moral consistency, these guys are just holding Gene Sperling to the same standards they applied to Ari Fleischer.
ReplyDeleteCliff Kincaid's jeremiad on Frank Marshall Davis - and Wikipedia's dastardly insistence on protecting his article from unsourced smears - is truly a thing of beauty. You know, there are people out there who believe that Roy Cohn's only failing was that he never converted to Catholicism.
ReplyDeleteJesus it's Kremlin level totalitarianism they are not going to invite Woodward to cocktail parties. That's right people, no cheese on toothpicks for him. see how he likes that.
ReplyDeleteIt's pefectly legal, as long as you publicy declare yourself to be the agent of a foreign government, as Treviño has done. In fairness to Domenech, though, he was probaby just copy-pasting Treviño's work.
ReplyDeleteIf Cliffy's feelings are hurt by Wikipedia's insistence on documented fact, perhaps he could take solace at any of the dozen nutbar sites that come up when you google the guy's name: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=10_5_8&q=frank+marshall+davis&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
ReplyDeleteIs this a new front in the "take a not-particularly-famous 20th century activist and turn them into history's greatest monster" fight, or have I just been blissfully ignorant of it?
One of them is a site called obamasrealfather.com or something. And you know, when you get to that level of stupid, I really just want to give you a pat on the head. They believe so hard, with every bone in their body, that the single most scrutinized person on earth for the last 5 years has been able to keep secret the fact that his dad is someone different than who he claims, keep it secret from everyone except these brave independent journalists who risk being thrown in the gulag for their troubles. You know, like Bob Woodward.
I hope they're at least aware that the whole birther thing falls apart when you start claiming Obama's real dad was someone who lived in the US his entire life.
Is this a new front in the "take a not-particularly-famous 20th century activist and turn them into history's greatest monster" fight, or have I just been blissfully ignorant of it?
ReplyDeleteI don't think the human brain can process every one of these fronts. As for the birther thing, ignoring inherent contradictions is kind of their thing.
I can't fault Woodward for trembling. It's Parkinson's, but still ...
ReplyDeleteas long as you publicy declare yourself to be the agent of a foreign government
ReplyDeleteOr, as in Murdoch's case, if you switch to US citizenship.
Chuck Colson held 'em down.
ReplyDeletegems as "Woodward goes after another #liberal President, the 1st being Nixon. Unlike Nixon, #Obama tries threats & intimidation." History education ain't what it used to be.
ReplyDeleteWords have, it seems, ceased to Mean Things.
Damn straight. That'll learn the uppity bastard.
ReplyDeleteYes, he only used to be an agent of a foreign government.
ReplyDeleteBy the same token, my favorite part of the Voice piece was the invitation from the rightbloggers for Woodward to join them. Bob began as a shoe leather reporter, has moved up to the DC cocktail scene, and can now finish out his career feigning shock, outrage, and fear for the Daily Tucker. They've prepared a desk for you, Bob! Sure, it doesn't pay much directly, but if you're creative, I'm sure they can find some tyrant for you to shill for.
ReplyDeleteIt's really a brilliant career arc.
I got a smile on my face learning that you could buy off Commentary for $2.50 and a pack of gum (I think the real figure was $4000, but hey).
ReplyDeleteIt's a little difficult to figure out what's what in the whole sequester thing. As is not atypical, the media attention is almost entirely dedicated to personality-related sideshows. It's difficult to figure out who even wrote the sequester legislation. Was it the Senate Democrats? The House Republicans? Was it genuinely bipartisan? Who are the specific names involved? Apparently everyone's to blame so no one's to blame. By design, it's probably safe to assume.
ReplyDeletePersonally though, I don't have any trouble figuring out who to blame. As Woodward reports, the White House pushed the idea and the Democrats in Congress made it happen. Ultimately, Obama got what he asked for and signed it. The responsibility is entirely his.
It's a bit hard to sort out Woodward's crime as well. It appears that his reporting was basically accurate but that he veered off a bit into questionable VSP-type, selfish rich guy analysis and then showed himself to be at total ass by going on Fox. Nevertheless, the facts he reported remain facts and the white house attacks on him are certainly meant to obscure those facts. When the liberal media play along, they show themselves little different than the conservative media. The mainstream media is totally fucking worthless.
Ah, for the days when there was an independent media. Of course those days never existed. There was a kind of golden age, however tarnished, between the age of yellow journalism and the Fox Newsification of our daily reporting. But we're definitely back to the age of selling whatever the most suckers are predisposed to buying. Inconvenient facts hurt sales.
So with the sequester, all the powerful people get what they want. A bipartisan agreement to implement austerity. A grand bargain anonymously bargained. No one to blame, really. Just a product of the system. Pay no attention to those guys behind the curtain, especially the one with the pen who pushed for and then signed the damned thing.
Why would you do that to the poor bastard? He didn't invent this shit, merely pointed it out very clearly. To show him that normal people didn't believe it could happen, while republicans have used his writing as a playbook, would be pretty unfair to Orwell. I'm sure he was disappointed enough in humanity in his own time.
ReplyDelete"Sperling Admits Obama Misled in Debate: The President Did Propose the Sequester"
ReplyDeleteLiberal bloggers and blog commenters, time to do what you're supposed to do for the good of the Party.
It's Go Time.
Claiming the sequester is "Obama's idea" is like claiming that the helicopter ride to the airport was "the cops' idea" when the bank robber who had 20 tellers wired to explode demanded it.
ReplyDeleteGeorg W. Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... just so long as I'm the dictator."
ReplyDeleteThere, see? Bush NEVER aspired to being a dictator... EVAR!!
Barack H. Obama: "I am not a dictator."
MY GOD, THE MAN THINKS HE'S A DICTATOR!!! And threatening his enemies with severe, remorseless admonishment when they...umm... don't base their work on ...you know... facts.
You mean Jenghazi Rubin isn't writing from a deep landfill???
ReplyDeleteThen what is her excuse? What is Fred Hiatt's?
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It's pretty funny that these self reliant, super-patriotic toughguys are basically whoring themselves out for whatever government is willing to pay. Actual prostitutes, though, are at least selling something worth buying.
ReplyDeleteWell, to be fair, when the sequester deal was done, John Boehner crowed: "I got 98% of what I wanted." Obama got played on this one... the Pugs successfully ran the old "Oh please, DON'T throw me in the briar patch" routine, and will get spending cuts they never would have gotten any other way, even if it means a few harmless cuts in Pentagon blubber and bloat, which noted Southern belle Lindsey Graham can now clutch his pearls over.
ReplyDeleteYes, Ann Althouse has sooooooooo much credibility here, Dennis. Of course, the Congress's failure to act on removing the sequester is Obama's fault because it was his idea in the first place, is that Ann's argument?
ReplyDelete"I meant that, while the first issue of whose idea it was, the sequester,
was one I disagreed with him on but I could see how honorable people
could disagree. "
Thanks for the laughs today, Dennis. Try not to whine too loudly, it might be overheard by the other drones in the cubicles around you.
DA wakes at 4 am to see if I've posted. Cranks out some gibberish, copies and pastes, then up-votes himself.
ReplyDeleteThat's how he starts his morning.
Wait, Dennis is an Althouse acolyte? No wonder we disagree. I prefer cheap vodka and violent mockery not boxed wine and whining and being right-wing all along.
ReplyDeleteNot even your mother give's that much of a shit.
ReplyDeleteIn a few decades rightbloggers will be claiming that George W. Bush was liberal.
ReplyDeleteYep, Dennis, I knew you couldn't help but beclown yourself on this thread, that's why I waited all night until you posted now.
ReplyDeleteSee you around, cowboi.
Althouse = Icke.
ReplyDelete"...John Boehner crowed: "I got 98% of what I wanted."
ReplyDeleteThe Obama presidency in a nutshell.
Also, too... it's hard to make the claim that Democrats in Congress made the sequester happen when almost twice as many Pugs as Dems voted for it.
ReplyDeleteNot in the Senate. And I trust you know that once the leadership is sure a bill with pass, individual members are allowed to vote against it for PR purposes in their districts.
ReplyDeleteNo, it was a democrat led, ultimately bipartisan clusterfuck. It's easy to argue that the buck stops nowhere, or over there behind the bushes. That's by design. But seriously, it's not all that hard to see through.
The ghost of I.F. Stone needs to come down to Earth and beat Woodward with a frickin' crowbar.
ReplyDeleteShe sees lizard-people? And I thought I drank too much. And that sentence I just wrote was past-ten.... Hey, I got vodka!
ReplyDeleteYou know, there are people out there who believe that Roy Cohn's only failing was that he never converted to Catholicism.
ReplyDeleteDo we still have to give notice of Intent to Seal on the internets, or am I showing my age?
Woodward can show up at CPAC and show everyone what would have been the bloody stumps where the lefty bloggers metaphorically tore out his fingernails.
ReplyDeleteAnd he copies and pastes what exactly? And how are you NOT a boring slice of cheese? Oh, and about Althouse... what is it with you and never answering a damn question?
ReplyDeleteYou know, or rather understand, nothing about negotiations, politics, or the new state of play with this recalcitrant, nihilist, minority party controlling the House. Its obvious in everything you write. Its like you never took part in multiparty negotiations, had to deal with a situation of constriction, or ever worked on any kind of big project with lots of stakeholders many of whom have different goals than you do. Its like you were hatched out of the egg of outrage five minutes before Obama became President and woke up with a snort and a massive case of indigestion.
ReplyDeleteAnd he would, too.
ReplyDeleteIt only took them an election. If that.
ReplyDelete:)
ReplyDeleteBoxed wine. Oh my.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to have to step out of character and pay you a compliment, Michael Sondberg Olsen. That was very clever and very original. I've never seen someone mention boxed wine and Ann Althouse together on a liberal blog ever before, and yet here it was you, not a liberal and not even American but yes, a highly intelligent individual, that was perceptive and intuitive enough to use that little-known tidbit of information about her in a well-crafted sentence. Well done, sir.
And that was a long boring speech. And you still have to make a damn point?
ReplyDeleteOne Day in the Life of Robert Alfredovich
ReplyDeleteSo you don't think that it's possible that some people negotiate better than others? Do you not see any possible way to make an entirely fact/reality/results based argument that Obama is a poor negotiator?
ReplyDeleteAnd why the constant need to hurl insults at those who politely disagree with you? You've been around here as long as I have and should be aware that my opinions on this matter haven't changed since Obama became president. I made essentially the same criticisms when the Democrats constantly surrendered to Bush in negotiations. How is it that the Republicans seem to have all the power both when Democrats are in the minority and when they are in the majority? I think it's the answer to that question what bothers you the most. And it's certainly human to take out your frustrations on those who pose uncomfortable questions.
And that was a long boring speech.
ReplyDeleteI know, Michael Søndberg Olsen.
'Boxed wine and Ann Althouse.' I stand in awe in your presence. I cannot compete in the categegories of interest, intelligence or intuitiveness. I will not even try.
You know, I.F. Stone was venerated by my J School professors as someone who put facts before ideology. Although a liberal himself, he was a prominent critic of the Johnson administration. Somehow I doubt he'd be an Obama booster were he still working today.
ReplyDeleteAnd still you failed? That takes skill.
ReplyDeleteThey'll only serve domestic cheese cubes when he's on the guest list.
ReplyDeleteYou cite Althouse? Hilarious!
ReplyDeleteShe married a lizard person.
ReplyDeleteIt appears that Obama's mistake was in failing to realize how bat-shit crazy and unethical Republicans are.
ReplyDeleteOh for the luvva Christ... the point is not whether Stone would have been a critic or a supporter of Obama, the point is that, although he got a LOT of really vindictive treatment by the both the Johnson and Nixon administrations, Stone never whined about it... in fact, I'm sure he, in the words of Roosevelt, "welcomed their hatred."
ReplyDeleteGive me their egss. I'll need an omelet in the morning-
ReplyDeleteThe biggest indication of how boring Dennis is is that there are no "Dennis" based parody trolls. The fact is, fake Gary Rupperts are legion, and The Cool Coach's "ding dong dilly" style has occasionally been emulated by others, but poor old boring Dennis has no imitators, just a coterie of sockpuppets until those accounts get banned. Nobody wants to be Dennis, I don't think even he wants to be Dennis.
ReplyDeleteDennis could paint his ass purple and head down to the Monkey House and he still wouldn't get mounted. To make it worse, when he is ignored, he whines about it... it's like he wants "affirmative action" for trolls. Puh... theh... tick.
That's like being surprised the sun might come out tomo......ohh
ReplyDeleteThey used... sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteDennis the less than an actual Menace, seems to think that he's being stalked.But why would anyone bother?
ReplyDeleteNo sock puppets and never whined about being ignored, Big Bad Bald Bastard. You are, once again, mistaken.
ReplyDeleteAnd you still have your virginity. Of never answering anything,
ReplyDeleteThe press itself has become the greatest threat to freedom of the press.
ReplyDeleteGod bless wingnut law professors. This inane formula is fabulous! It works for every single amendment of the U.S. Constitution and then some:
- Religion itself has become the greatest threat to freedom of religion.
- Gun owners themselves have become the greatest threat to the right to own guns.
- If it weren't for criminals, there would be no erosion of protections from unreasonable search and seizure.
- Citizens themselves have become the greatest threat to our democracy.
I must come to Dennis's defense, he's being imitated by a troll who is really Tom Dufner, of Glen Rock, NJ.
ReplyDeleteHis whining is when people don't take him seriously, AKA every thread he's ever posted on.
Dennis could paint his ass purple and head down to the Monkey House and he still wouldn't get mounted
Don't give him any ideas!
Seriously, Big Bad Bald Bastard, "Ann Althouse.....boxed wine". This is what you come here for? It doesn't matter if it's the 15,000th time you've read it or the 50,000th time, it still gets you to laugh, right? vaccuumslayer could come on here and say "Ann Althouse? Pass me the boxed wine, please" and you would give her an up-vote and tell her how funny that was, wouldn't you? You would.
ReplyDeleteWait, this is about a slayer? I didn't know we'd entered the Buffyverse. And your weird fetish with vacuums? The Fleshlight has been invented.
ReplyDeleteHis is named "Rebecca".
ReplyDeleteListen to Mr. "I walk my dog to the cemetery every morning. Even when it's 40 degrees outside."
ReplyDeleteWhoa.
And here comes the overweening sarcasm, in lieu of a point. You certainly know your role.
ReplyDeleteNo sock puppets? What about Sally Rokowski? And the other one whose name I can't recall - Sonny something. Remember how you stalked me for a few weeks to show your solidarity with George Tierney of Greenville, SC?
ReplyDeleteGet a life, son.
That's the funny part, I bet he heads down to the local Cinnabon on a regular basis and accuses the counter guy of stalking him. Wanker needs a better hobby.
ReplyDeleteActually, you're a redhead young woman, and it's washington park.
ReplyDeleteHe painted his ass purple and mom didn't want to mount him.
ReplyDeleteDid you do that from memory, or was that another copy and paste job, Dennis?
ReplyDeleteAs intelligent and talented as you are, you're trying too hard, Michael Sondberg Olsen. Straining, even. Let the game come to you.
ReplyDeleteThere's actually some chain called that?
ReplyDeleteYou just won the internets for the day. +1
ReplyDeleteWhat game? The one you lost? Don't give yourself a stroke.
ReplyDeleteYes, they specialize in cinnamon rolls and other baked goods:
ReplyDeleteCinnabon is a chain of American baked goods
stores and kiosks, normally found in areas with high pedestrian traffic such as malls and airports. The company's signature item is a large cinnamon roll. As of July 2009, over 750 Cinnabon bakeries were operating in more than 30 countries.[1] Its headquarters are in Sandy Springs, Georgia.[2][3] The company is owned by Focus Brands, an affiliate of private equity firm Roark Capital Group.[4]
That's the Amurikan way: Start a chain with a cutsey food name, and watch it grow.
That Richard Nixon was such a nice, polite man.
ReplyDeleteYes, Dennis has trolled and gotten kicked off of Sadly, No! AND, AND, Crooks and Liars.
ReplyDeleteHe knows more about thread-jacking than anyone else I know.
The most intransigent Minority will always have the power--the power to destroy is stronger than the power to build. Since at no time in the recent past have the Democrats been willing to destroy the government they have never had the power, in the minority, to do the kind of destruction the Republicans can and will do. That's obvious. No Democratic Senator or Congressman would ever have considered refusing to pay the country's bills and destroying the country's credit. That's not because both parties "play for the same team" as you would have it.
ReplyDeleteAs for Obama as a negotiator you live in a fantasy world in which [a great miracle happens] and then people magically get what they want. Sometimes you have a very bad hand. The House has the leverage because it controls spending bills. The best you can do is fight to a draw--and the brinksmanship around the debt ceiling and the sequester were, essentially, "draws" with horrible consequences. But in each case the horrible consequences were less horrible than some other consequences, or inevitable. You don't remember that one of the concessions Obama extracted from Boehner in the first round was an extension of unemployment benefits? Because it doesn't fit your model of Obama as some kind of Republican shill in waiting? If Obama really wanted to do all the things the Republicans want him to do and you say he wants to do he could fucking sign the legislation that the Republicans are voting for. No one would have lifted a finger for the people on unemployment who the Republicans wanted to screw. So why fight so hard for them?
There's no point arguing the details with you, you are totally uninterested in the facts of these complex negotiations or how prior negotiations and votes and players structure future ones. I think Obama's playing a tough hand as well as he can--I'm mortally certain that you wouldn't do any better--and what I see is a guy struggling to protect big things like SS and Medicare, expand Medicaid, expand unemployment, while dealing with the fact that the Bush ear blew our budget. There isn't going to be enough money unless the House raises taxes or closes loopholes or both. There isn't going to be enough money for SS and health care and everything else until we take back the House and control the purse. So whining about how Obama can't force the Republicans to do what they don't want to do because they would rather see the country burn just seems bizarre to me. There's no magic by which Obama can turn these guys into political thinkers/actors/legislators. They have decided to put their agressions in drive for the entire of his term and yes, they hold the power because they hold the house.
You know, what, Michael Søndberg Olsen, I think the much better quip here was your 'Ann Althouse/ boxed wine' one as opposed to the one featured in the last blog thread, the ManBoob one, up in the body of the author's post. Sometimes it goes that way for men of substance such as yourself. In a cruel twist of irony, many times the recognition goes to work that isn't one's best.
ReplyDeleteTongue-jacking, also, too. As in the shitbox.
ReplyDeleteI read Wired, his biography of John Belushi. It was kind of an aberration for him and he hasn't done anything that's not Beltway-insider since, but he went to some lengths to defend it at the time, in the face of criticism from everyone who knew Belushi.
ReplyDeleteLet me step out of pseudonymity here to let you in on a little secret, Chuckling. Izzy was my grandfather. He was more than a liberal, and more than a prominent critic of every government. However, he was not a nihilist or an anarchist. He thought, and said "all governments lie" but he corrected me when in my youthful anti-government phase I didn't believe that any political actor--hell, any FBI agent--could place country of person or have good intentions.
ReplyDeleteWhere he would stand on Obama I don't know. He would detest the drones and the civil liberties violations. He would applaud the Health Care Reform, the stimulus, the unemployment expansion, the attempt to put the government and the economy on a sound footing. My other grandfather was a Keynsian and a New Dealer so the two of them would have agreed, I think, on the necessity for big spending to help the economy recover.
Its a little known fact about Izzy that he used to walk a couple of miles at a brisk clip through washington every day. And he always took a roll of quarters to give to the homeless men he passed and stopped, gave them money, and talked to them. He was alive to the suffering of the poor and the disenfranchised in this country. He would have regarded the Iraq war, the financial crisis, the home loan scandal as things that needed an all hands on deck approach. The evils of the Republican party would not have surprised him.
Put away the iPad and get to work, Dennis.
ReplyDeleteUgh, other than Mcdonnalds and Burger Kings, the only things we got here, last I cheked, was Subway, Which appeared and died within a year,
ReplyDeleteTo expand a bit... it's interesting that Obama's last proposal before the deadline included raising revenue not by raising rates, but by closing loopholes. This was the heart and soul of the Romney tax plan, but since Obama proposed it, suddenly, in the Pug mind, closing loopholes is the same as a tax increase. What I will fault Dems for is not calling out the Pugs as liars as often and as hard as they need to.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you have to believe that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or evil or both? Or, in this case, that I am uninterested in the facts of the negotiations? The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and had a new President with a strong mandate for change. Yet it's been one surrender after another. Now they've imposed austerity.
ReplyDeleteThe Democrats still have most of the power and probably even more popular opinion on their side. You can choose to believe that they are strong but that their position is weak and that defeat is always inevitable, and you can marshal some facts to support that position. Fine, but there are plenty of other facts that support the Obama sucks as a negotiator and it's questionable whether he even wants any kind of liberal progress line of thinking. One can find that fact-supported argument stronger than the Scary Conservatives are Super Powerful argument without being stupid or evil or naive or insincere or whatever other pejorative you want to toss our way.
Personally, I find your surrender to the hostage takers' demands to be naive and wrong and plenty of fact-based rational arguments can be marshaled to support that assertion. Still, that doesn't make you stupid or evil. Accusing like minded people who disagree with you on any particular of being stupid and/or evil, well, that's a bit more questionable.
Traveling curiosity-trinket saleslady, I mentioned vaccuum and not you, and that pissed you off, didn't it? Indeed, it did.
ReplyDeleteSeems to be a recurring mistake. He sure must be stoopid to make the same mistake over and over, eh.
ReplyDeleteThat, or something else is going on.
Frighteningly enough, my mother-in-law has spoken many a sentence almost exactly like this in earnest.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you are "stupid or evil" because you disagree with ME. I think you have a bizarre form of political tourettes where you feel obligated to attack Obama from the left using right wing imagery, tropes, accusations and poor reasoning skills.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't just come down, as I think you are arguing, to something like "aimai thinks the democrats are strong but their position is weak and that defeat is always inevitable." For one thing I don't think the Dems are being defeated at every turn. I just think that the situation is complicated and that progress is incremental and you really have to know the details of each of these complicated negotiations to know for sure what could have been gotten (was there something "left on the table") or what the downside to any particular bargain was.
In the case of the ACA I think, in the end, on balance, that it was nearly the best deal they could get out ouf the situation given the way the Democrats backstabbled Obama, the loss of Ted Kennedy, the empty Franken Seat. Without perfect vision you couldn't know that the House would flip in 2010 and that you would then spend the rest of the first term fighting to get anything done and watching the Republican Governors try to destroy the ACA and prevent the Medicaid expansion.
Obama has the job of trying to cut the best deal he can with people who are actually refusing to legislate in any sane fashion. They are refusing to do their job in keeping the country running. Its not my idealism that leads me to believe Obama is doing an ok job with the hand that the country dealt him vis a vis the House. Its my considered opinion looking at the way these negotiations have happened in real time that he's doing the best he can, trying to protect the most vulnerable, and that he is being forced into some pretty difficult contortions by the Republican party in the House and in the Governor's mansions. Its just not as easy as you like to pretend it is.
Please. You have even less power than a pungent fart.
ReplyDeleteBut thanks for confirming the sockpuppetry.
Really? Someone downvoted that? I'm curious as to why.
ReplyDeleteHave you not been in an airport?
ReplyDeleteI do recommend never actually *eating* the Cinnabon. One should never attempt to eat a cinnamon bun bigger than one's head and covered in spunk. However, they do smell damn good .
I live in a town that has two Starbucks and two MickyD's, as McDonalds is known in colloquial American, across the street from each other. Hows that for corporate planning.
ReplyDeleteYou're better off without Subway. I don't know what they do to fuck up their bread, but it always smells rancid.
ReplyDeleteYou know, what, Michael Søndberg Olsen, I think the much better quip
ReplyDeletehere was your 'Ann Althouse/ boxed wine' one as opposed to the one
featured in the last blog thread, the ManBoob one, up in the body of
the author's post.
Oh, look who's stalking now!
His whining is when people don't take him seriously, AKA every thread he's ever posted on.
ReplyDeleteIt would be helpful if you didn't keep feeding him. Especially not after midnight. And don't get him wet!
Nah, Dennis, she just falls into the mindless groupthink that engulfs the libruls when they start to comment here.
ReplyDeleteOver-weenied sarcasm, also, too.
ReplyDeleteWe Californians have Togos, they started in 1967 in San Jose, CA, as a little take-out joint on Williams St. not far from where my grandparents lived near San Jose State University. They're worth a try if you're ever out here.
ReplyDeleteBob Woodward apparently no longer interested in being an esteemed journalist; now content to be the world's biggest attention whore.— Dr.KennethNoisewater (@vacuumslayer) February 28, 2013
ReplyDeleteAnd you give yourself away
ReplyDeleteAnd you give yourself away
And you give
And you give
And you give yourself away
With or without you
With or without you
I can't live
With or without you
That's Dennis G to a T
__________X Quoted for frigging truth, as they say on the internetz.
ReplyDeleteHe practices in front of a mirror every day.
ReplyDeleteThen there's a knock and someone asks him when he'll be finished using the executive washroom
"You can't count Bush as a Republican. He was really more of a Democrat in every way." Actual quote I have heard. Wheee!
ReplyDeleteWasn't me. I found it admirable.
ReplyDeleteI didn't and I didn't confirm the standing line line with George Tierney, either. HIs words words were odious, likely nothing more than the insane and incoherent ramblings of someone enraged and likely drunk, but they were stupid. What you did, and what I told you on one blog, was far worse. You posted his home address and his work address and his boss' name and his father's name. And your hot-tub buddies posted a picture of his house and his neighborhood. So that your hot tub friends could also call his place of business and disrupt innocent people in all of that, along with the proprietor. All in the name of liberalism, which you justified it on bullshit grounds. And you got notoriety for it on Tbogg, and that made you very proud. That was a sick move, Jennifer. Sick. But they love you at Tbogg. Sure do. 'Excellent work, Jennifer'.... 'Way to go, Jennifer' '+1, Jennifer'....."You win the internets today, Jennifer'. Not enough for you to spend two weeks ridiculing him on your blog and the 4-5 other ones you live on, you had to go a step further and be the heroine of Sandra Fluke and make sure this guy, his family, his neighbors, his employer and all the people he worked with suffered, too. Because you had to show that liberals aren't pussies. Bravo, Jennifer. +1
ReplyDeleteWeyull. Tried to embed a tweet. Almost worked. DISQUUUUUUUUUS!!! *shakes fist*
ReplyDeleteWell, we agree on almost everything, but at bottom, it is my considered opinion looking at the way these negotiations have happened in real time that he's a terrible negotiator and could have gotten a much better deal. I just don't see how that's such a crazy argument? I'm not a mindless follower of anyone, but to give just one prominent example, Krugman has argued that extensively and quite well.
ReplyDeleteMany people find the whole sequester mess to be historically bad. Is believing that the president and his party could have gotten a better deal really just emblematic of a bizarre form of political tourettes? Or is something else bothering you?
Puh... theh... Dick. Fixed.
ReplyDeleteIts a MallStore, where wonderful cinnamon aromas waft out into the harder-than-any-rock isles of the mall, and entice footsore shoppers to buy a cinnamon roll and coffee, and just sit down and watch the parade pass by. Well, I did that once. After working at Winchell's for 2 or 3 years, donuts and cinnamon rolls aren't so thrilling.
ReplyDeleteI visited Bath, England, viewed the Roman Baths, the Abbey, and the Upper Rooms. Sadly, the "main" street was jammed cheek to jowl with "Gaps" and "Starbucks" and "McDonalds" and many other chain stores.
ReplyDeleteDA, seriously, working is not a bad thing. There's the paycheck, there's the knowing your taxes are being used for the greater good, meeting people, working with other people, knowing you've done a good job, the camaraderie, helping customers.....all sorts of good things mentally, emotionally, spiritually and financially. You really shouldn't knock it until you've tried it. You have the educational background, you know how to Google, and with your early morning walks in the cemetery, I'll assume you're able-bodied. Try this mental trick: tell yourself it's not for you, but the taxes you'll pay will help others, people that can't help themselves and people that can but decide it's easier to accept the good graces of an entitlement society. It works, trust me. Especially on the occasional bad days, of which, yes, I have to tell you, there will be some, but overall, very much worth it.
ReplyDeleteWhere was that even implied?
ReplyDeleteYeah, that pronouncement about no more cocktail parties and dinners for Woodward has the somber tone of "fate worse than death," doesn't it? (Well, in the Land of Oz that is DC, maybe it is.)
ReplyDeleteAh, well, it was probably enough to set Pearl Mesta's ghost to cackling.
Suddenly, the conservative media is a fan of Woodward.
ReplyDeleteI guess good things start to happen when you tell your journalism = running to Hannity!
Your mother-in-law is very definitely not Helen Gahagan Douglas.
ReplyDeleteYes, jobs are great to have! I'm sure you support government programs to ensure full employment. Right?
ReplyDeleteAre these forms of address some sort of low-key intimidation or just would-be-insulting sarcastic chumminess?
ReplyDeleteOne of them was me, I meant to hit up but apparently missed. Repaired.
ReplyDeleteWhoa, donuts and cinnamon rolls aren't so thrilling?
ReplyDeleteYou mean, it's not like you're doing eighty in the Alpha Romeo with the top down, your locks flying in the fragrant breeze and Flavio turns to you and roguishly says, "Cara mia, let's go to the Cinnabon."? Damn, that's how life should be.
What crawled up whose ass and died? Something stinks in here.
ReplyDeletePut away the iPad and get back to work, Meade
ReplyDeleteFixed.
Is it possible to just ignore "Dennis"? Always thought Alicublog was a couple of cuts above these recent inane sub-threads.
ReplyDeleteNonsense, you're talking like he's some sort of Commie!
ReplyDeleteActually, I posted none of what you claim - but then again, you know that, don't you stalkerboy? Or as Mr. Has-Never-Had-A-Sockpuppet was calling himself that particular week - Sonnie - you know you're making up bullshit because you exhaustively cataloged every utterance, and no doubt archived them all, though unlimited access to the original source material does not seem to have improved your reading comprehension. First the claim was that I posted his workplace and told people to call him. Now it's morphed into posting addresses, and his boss' and parents' names. Next time it will escalate into how I posted his credit score, bank account and social security numbers. I'm sure it will continue all the way up to and including how I posted a bounty on his head and encouraged people to hunt him down and kill him.
ReplyDeleteSqueal some more, little piggy.
Jenghazi Rubin. Priceless.
ReplyDeleteHeartily seconded. (Although the Cinnabon tangent was amusing.)
ReplyDeleteTrue. Smells worse than wet dog.
ReplyDeleteLook, prison rape is not funny.
ReplyDeleteGee, Dennis, I'm touched that a MOTA like you with a 5-page job description is so eloquent about the virtues of working, have you thought about working for HR instead of your current position?
ReplyDeleteThey can always use good bullshit artists like you, and they apparently don't care if their workforce isn't too bright. Win-win!
k, ty.
ReplyDeleteIn these times of insane wingnuttery, I often can hear, faintly, H.L. Mencken yelling from far off, "let me the fuck outta here, I've got work to do!" He would have loved having a daily column today. I mean, he thought he lived in a target-rich environment then.
ReplyDeleteThat's what amazes me about today--the sheer volume and number of Shrieking Harpies of the Right. It's like the Mighty Wurlitzer went on a diet of steroids, cocaine and PCP.
Proportionality? Meh. Rationality? Fuggedaboudit. Transparency? Ethics? Not while the government of Malaysia is footing the bill, thank you. Every day, sit down to the computer and watch the right wing's Id curbstomping the nation's Superego, while mainstream journalism's onlooking Ego smugly opines that they're both to blame.
Historians will write of this time as "no teapot without a tempest, and no tempest without climate change denialism."
Who knew there were so many deck chairs to be rearranged?
He works in the financial sector, so probably a combination of both.
ReplyDeleteIf you click on a downvote again, you can reverse your mistake.
ReplyDeleteI'll post less. 20 guys and one prolific stalker all chiming in, it's hard to ignore everything and not respond.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I switched it back to upvote.
ReplyDeleteYeah, cinnamon rolls are hard to make at home unless you get the Pillsbury stuff from the groceries with the icing included, and they have some appeal as a treat for the weary and hungry. I prefer the Orange Julius stand, as that's where we used to go when I was a kid. They used to have one in downtown San Jose, out by itself, but now I believe they're now in the MallStore catagory as well.
ReplyDeleteI had forgotten about that book until your mention just now. I
ReplyDeleterecall that when the movie version was made, there were -- allegedly -- a lot
of "you'll never work in this town again" threats directed at Michael Chiklis (who played Belushi), but in retrospect his career doesn't seem to have suffered.
You posted his workplace address, phone number and proprietor's name. I'm assuming you did that for a purpose. Telling people to call there would be a bit superfluous, don't you think? There's a big difference between what George Tierney did and what you did, Jennifer. You both did asinine things, but he apologized for what he did.
ReplyDeleteShut the fuck up.
ReplyDeleteBoth cases were because someone I had somehow pissed off ended up becoming site monitors. Like if you became one here, DA. Sort of like that. Or, I guess now, JennofArk.
ReplyDeleteJust stepping in here to warn that there's another ten feet of Dennis and Dennisbating coming up downstream.
ReplyDeleteGuys like Woodward are willing, consensual participants in their own degradation, so it's not a "rape joke". It's funny because Nixon is a Liberal Democrat, and G. Gordon Liddy was sent to prison by Republican Hero Ronald Reagan.
ReplyDeleteAs you well know, Sonnie, I posted none of that. Your lame ass "case" has all along been that if only I hadn't read the information that Mr. Tierney himself posted to LinkedIn, then no one else would have ever seen it. No addresses, phone numbers, or presumed employer's name was posted by me. It may well have been posted by Mr. Tierney himself on his profile, but if it was, I never re-posted it anywhere else. If you like, I could post a link to the TBogg thread and make it crystal clear to everyone what a lying sack of shit you are...but that would be redundant because a) you already know it's not going to support your bullshit and b) everyone here already knows you're a lying sack of shit.
ReplyDelete"Democrat" and "liberal" basically just mean "anything wingnuts don't like," or even "anything that's sufficiently embarrassing that wingnuts need to distance themselves from it."
ReplyDeleteI like the passive voice, there, Dennis, like "somehow" your writings inexplicably pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time.
ReplyDeleteI think one can get a better clue from this thread a while back on Sadly, No!:
Dennis-
Oh Bob in Himmel, a Dennis sighting this fucking early. Yeah, I know early, but you’ve at least been kind enough to only show up on posts on their last legs. Can’t you at least let the post get shopworn before we play another game of bounce the concern troll who is totally not Le Donalde or one of his minions?
Yep, Dennis, it's a complete mystery to me as to why you got your ISP banned from Sadly, No!
I kinda fond of the Nordsee pickled-herring-inna-bun stalls.
ReplyDeleteYou tried to embed a tweet in Disqus? YOU CROSSED THE BEAMS!!!
ReplyDeleteMy job description can be summed up in a few short words to people who know what I do. I told you that I could write 5 pages and you still wouldn't understand what it is that I do. You've never gotten it right. You need to read a little slower, DA.
ReplyDeleteThey can always use good bullshit artists like you, and they apparently
don't care if their workforce isn't too bright. Win-win! That's what I don't understand about you. There are jobs out there, many you could work your way in to. Why do you settle for this all-day-long, liberal blog/internet lifestyle that doesn't pay you and doesn't raise tax dollars for the common good?
You got banned to the Facebook section of The Daily Banter, a blog you just about dedicated your entire life to. I think it was for calling a guy a 'fagot' and for posting personal information that you found from stalking his kids' Facebook pages, but I'm not sure, the blogowner didn't say.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I remember seeing an interview with Aykroyd, who'd actually seen the script and was very unhappy. It probably helped that the movie wasn't very successful.
ReplyDeleteI told you that I could write 5 pages and you still wouldn't
ReplyDeleteunderstand what it is that I do. You've never gotten it right. You
need to read a little slower, DA.
You're right, I'd probably fall asleep after the third page explaining how holding a securities license entitles you to do all those things us ordinary mortals can't accomplish on our own.
That's what I don't understand about you. There are jobs out there, many you could work your way in to. Why do you settle for this all-day-long, liberal blog/internet lifestyle that doesn't pay you and doesn't raise tax dollars for the common good?
I guess I'll always be a mystery to you cowboi.
Jennifer, he thought you were Tbogg. That's how involved you were in that whole sordid ordeal. You loved the attention. You were on the George Tierney information-gathering case like there was no tomorrow. For what purpose, other than for people to call him, his place of business, and the company's customers? Why direct people to his LinkedIn page in the first place. You're the one bs'ing here. Again, Jennifer, George Tierney apologized to Sandra Fluke and to everyone else he offended. You did nothing except revel in your fifteen minutes of Tbogg blog fame, then you slunk away.
ReplyDeleteGee, Dennis, why would you get banned from Sadly, No! ?:
ReplyDeleteTruculentandUnreliable said,
September 28, 2011 at 23:16
It’s like, ‘you’re being kind of hypocritical don’t you think,
Cerbie?’ His response is “Fuck you, Dennis”, which I fully expected would be response, so I’m in no way surprised. I am surprised, however, that you find my inquiry so offensive.
Dennis, the fact that you insist on referring to her as “he” despite the fact that she’s stated that she identifies as a woman is FAR more than enough to make her response to you completely reasonable, whether your inquiry is justified or not.
Stalking actor212, making transphobic comments to Cerebrus, your record isn't so clean, is it cowboi?
I myself think Obama is not a great negotiator. But I also think that the negotiations in which he is involved don't actually have the preconditions for anyone to succeed which is 1) an honest broker, 2) a willingness on the counterparty's part to compromise, 3) a shared goal (any shared goal). There's an art and a science to negotiation and the form of the negotiations in which Obama and the dems are working is not amenable to easy wins. The Republicans are willing, essentially, to "wait out" an eight year presidency and let the country burn. Obama's working the levers that are open to him in the form of public pressure and making the Republican pay for their intransigence but they can't really be hurt because we don't have a parliamentary system in which they have to "go to the country" and be reauthorized periodically. they are safe for two years and they imagine they will be safe for the two after that. So public opinion doesn't matter much.
ReplyDeleteWhut? My point was perhaps unclear. It was that contra modern day journalists and pundits, like Bob what's his name, Izzy didn't drive and certainly didn't drive to (or give) cocktail parties. He spent his time either researching, reading, writing, or walking and interacting with homeless people. He saw a different Washington than the courtiers you see on TV. By implication I meant to point towards something else which is although he was a civil libertarian and would have of course opposed the Iraq and Afghan wars he would have thought that the efforts of the Obama administration to preserve the social safety net were incredibly important.
ReplyDeleteMy great grandmother was bipolar before the concept existed and it was one of the horrific memories of her children that she would periodically have a nervous breakdown and be taken, on the public bus, to some kind of poor people's sanitorium. I think the push towards mental health care in the ACA would have meant a lot to him.
My point there has, again, nothing to do with Chuckling but rather to say that Obama has done some great things and some terrible things. Izzy was not a totalizer. He'd lived a long time and seen some really horrible things politically so he was skeptical and cautious and cynical. But he wasn't as cynical as I was as a teenager--and like I said he corrected me rather forcefully when I, who had known no President but Nixon really, acted like it was impossible for any person in office to have good intentions, or to try to ameliorate suffering.
That shouldn't just be a tweet. That should be a damned bumper sticker.
ReplyDeleteStalking actor212, making transphobic comments to Cerebrus,
ReplyDeleteBoth untrue. I didn't stalk him, I posted there. He's like you, he has an obsession problem. But he did what you did, he used transgendered women to bash conservatives. I challenged Cerebus for not calling him out on it, unlike what danah gaz did to you at Pandagon when you did the same thing. Cerebus didn't want to get into it with actor212. Danah gaz ripped you a new one, for which you promptly started calling her by make-gendered names. I never knew Cerebus had ever referred to herself as 'he' before. Not once had I seen that. And I never referred to her as 'he' ever again. Unlike you with the transgendered woman at Pandagon, which you did several times, after you were told you were being flagged for it, even. Nice guy you were, DA. A big fighter for minorities, as long as you can use them and what you perceive as their ugliness to make fun of conservatives.
Comments #22, 33 & 34 are all quite instructive.
ReplyDeleteYou'll note: no link or even reference to the LinkedIn page, no address, no phone number, no boss' name, no suggestion that anyone call or write. Why? Because I wasn't egging anyone on to call anyone. I looked the guy up because he claimed on his Twitter profile to be a small business owner, and I wondered, "what type of business is this guy IN that he thinks it's not a problem to be calling women he's never met cunts and whores and dick-suckers in public?" His LinkedIn page seemed to contradict his claim to own his own business. You'll note that nowhere on that entire thread - or elsewhere - did I post any numbers, addresses, or incitements for anyone to call anyone. If a simple Google search = "involvement in a sordid ordeal," then maybe you can explain how you seem to know so much about the various people you and your suckpuppets have stalked, Pennis.
The poo-poo...it's all over you. Sordid indeed.
"Less" would be nice. "Not at all" would be nicest of all.
ReplyDeleteDennis, the fact that you insist on referring to her as “he” despite the
ReplyDeletefact that she’s stated that she identifies as a woman is FAR more than
enough to make her response to you completely reasonable, whether your
inquiry is justified or not.
Dennis, you were caught making transphobic comments to Cerebrus more than a year before you even knew danz gan existed. I'm sorry that it was so obvious that you had to address it immediately, but, please, keep playing the injured innocent.
Before, the fact that we disagreed with his policies, actions, rhetoric, appointments, etc proved we were traitors. Now it just shows how hypocritical the liberal left really is.
ReplyDeleteYup. That's why the Dixie Chicks were such darlings on the right for saying they were ashamed Bush was from Texas.
ReplyDeleteFleischer was on CNN last week trying to sell the idea that this was a serious threat even AFTER Wolf Blitzer read the full email exchange. It was no surprise that Wolf never brought up the "watch what you say" line to Fleischer.
ReplyDeleteCareful there.
ReplyDeleteNow if Woodward gets beaten with a crowbar, Pennis will show up and blame you for summoning the ghost of I.F. Stone.
Oh, yes, a buddy of mine lived very near the original Togo's. I was a believer.
ReplyDelete(I'll admit to buying Cinnabons in airports, but for some reason that's the only place I'll eat them. It's one of those weird ceremonial things people do, like eating lutefisk around Christmas.)
That's right out of the Dennis dictionary.
ReplyDeleteOh and still traitors.
ReplyDeleteThis is why we can't have nice things. Dr. Ken will break them. YES I SAID IT!
ReplyDeleteNothing you've attributed to your grandfather in these paragraphs cannot be similarly attributed to poor chuckling (though I certainly lack his impressive, well-deserved credentials). I am hardly a totalizer. I hate to personalize it and will try to say no more after this, but I did study Stone in college and have been perusing his work today and I can't help but suspect that if his ghost came back and wrote about the Obama administration on Alicublog like he wrote about the politicians of his time, you'd be openly contemptuous of his opinions.
ReplyDeleteI have great admiration and respect for the Obamas. Still, he's fucking up badly and I don't think it's benefitting him or anyone else by pretending otherwise.
"Hey, is this milk still good? Smell it, does it smell liberal?"
ReplyDeleteWe were prematurely correct
ReplyDeleteIn general you can only rent what prostitutes have to offer, but the principle stands.
ReplyDeleteEither way, go ahead. You've earned it.
ReplyDeleteIf Stone were a critic of Obama - and the odds are pretty good - I have a feeling he'd be a more coherent one than Woody.
ReplyDeleteWhen I logged in a few minutes ago the comment count was 183 and it's obviously higher now. Anyway, I had a sinking feeling.
ReplyDeleteTrevino and Domenech must be pounding their heads on the wall now that they know FreedomWorks gave Glenn Beck a million to talk up their astroturfery without bothering to call his bons mots "ads." Settled too cheap, you fools, you settled too cheap.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I frequently pass a Subway that's a few blocks from my house/near other convenient stuff, but I'm never tempted to go in.
ReplyDeleteQuiet flows the Potomac.
ReplyDeleteI spent the better part of a year reading a decade's issues of the Weekly and reading the related primary sources and mainstream media coverage. I'd known nothing of I. F. Stone before that project, and by the three-month mark I'd gained a deep respect for him that's only grown deeper over time. He did remarkable work remarkably well, however simple he liked to make it sound. He blogged without a blog. And, I'm told, he danced.
ReplyDeleteIf you say his name three times over an open copy of the latest issue of The Nation, I can't be held responsible for the consequences.
ReplyDeleteDon't wait until it turns into liberal yogurt.
ReplyDeleteTrue. But like you say, the value of what is on offer is still ridicously discordant.
ReplyDeleteThe fats in them are getting old in various ways, as the following page explains.
ReplyDeletehttp://chestofbooks.com/food/science/Experimental-Cookery/Rancidity.html#.UTUxCzbupEc
JennOfArk commented on the blog post The Ladies Man
ReplyDelete2012-05-09 16:23:51View |
One wonders if this is the same George Tierney who serves as a deacon at St. Mary’s Catholic church in Greenville. [Your link, Jennifer]
Or maybe that’s his dad. Either way, maybe there’s our motive – the
evil omnipotent Sandra Fluke spoke out against the poor, powerless
Catholic church. ["Our" motive? No, of course you weren't trying to get anyone to do anything.]
Apparently Mr. Tierney works at a firm called MSI International or a business called Sunland Staffing. Both are located in Greenville SC and both are staffing agencies. Don’t know if he owns either one of them.
No, no! I never posted any phone numbers! I posted that Tierney
apparently worked at Sunland or this other place, MSI I think it was,
which I found on LinkdIn. And then I posted that there was a deacon at
the church by the name of George Tierney, which could be George Tierney,
Jr. of Greenville, SC or perhaps his dad. But again, no phone numbers.
I even went the extra mile by not linking to any of it.
But it’s not like it was hard to find…in the days prior to May 21,
2012, “George Tierney Greenville SC” had quite different top google
search results. Apparently other folks were more incensed by the
comments of George Tierney, Jr. of Greenville, SC than even I was, and
took it upon themselves to call places that seemed to be associated with
George Tierney, Jr. of Greenville, SC.
Plausible deniability is a wonderful thing.
So you're bragging about plausible deniability with regard to George Tierney wanting to bring suit against you, and you think that's clever.
And here's 'Little Pig' from Sadly No saying that it in fact was you that posted his company's phone number:
LittlePig said,
May 24, 2012 at 0:33
One blogger, angry about Tierney’s comments, found
evidence of an early career at a Greenville temp agency and posted that
company’s number
Said blogger’s name is Jennifer. Just saying.
You're kind of a weasel, JennofArk. 'Plausible deniability'.....yeesh.
THAT'S what it stank like. Thanks. Couldn't (and wouldn't!) put my finger on it.
ReplyDeleteHe's been a GOP, Broderist, right-wing dickhead for a long, long time.
ReplyDelete~
Yer just trying to get me to call an embedded tweet a twat so that all the XX chromosome people here hate me forever. But I'm onto yaz. Not fallin for that one, no way.
ReplyDeleteHuh. Half a life-time ago we did have these things at the local bakery called cinnamon-breads. And they where covered in spunk-frosting. And delicious. But the only thing you'll really get in the Kastrup airport is fleeced. Which is true for any airport. since they know they've got you hostage.
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