Wednesday, July 08, 2015

GET ME REWRITE!

I haven't been paying proper attention to Acculturated, that most enjoyable culture-war make-work project, so thanks to alicublog commenter mortimer2000 for alerting me to a new column there by Mark Judge (known as Mark Gauvreau Judge in an earlier incarnation). It's called "'Manhattan': Remembering a Near-Great, Near-Conservative Film." Get a load:
Manhattan was famously shot in glorious black and white by Gordon Willis, who passed away in March. Manhattan is also, at least at times, a conservative film. This sounds absurd about a Woody Allen film, but it’s useful to remember that Allen has always had a lot of criticism for the cultural revolution of the 1960s. His films often poke fun at drugs, radicals, rock and roll, and the movie industry. Allen’s obsession with sex and younger—much younger—women has often obscured this fact. But without it, Allen could write for National Review.
Well, he could still serve as president of Hillsdale College.

Anyway: the fact that Woody Allen's character Isaac has the hots for the Diane Keaton character Wilkie, even though she believes in God and talks smack about Norman Mailer, proves to Judge that "he’s a New York liberal with a conscience that tells him that Wilkie may have a point," because there's no bigger turn-on than philosophical differences, look at James Carville and Mary Matalin, preferably not before lunch. Also, Isaac is mad at his lesbian ex-wife -- which has to be a moral imperative, because it can't possibly be the kind of psychological reaction you'd expect Woody Allen to have to a woman who left him for a woman -- and also has character-building tips for his underage girlfriend:
Isaac criticizes his young girlfriend Tracy for being raised in the Sixties.
I hope you've learned your lesson, young lady! Next time pick a responsible decade to be born in.
“You were brought up on drugs and television and the pill.” He then adds that he believes “people should mate for life, like pigeons or Catholics.” Then, disgusted with the drug-taking hippies who produce his show, Isaac quits. This is not a member of the Weather Underground.
No, this is typical Woody Allen, a crabby guy who likes to lecture his friends about God and death -- and in the end gets his comeuppance from, surprise, the teenage girlfriend, which shows at least a little self-awareness on his part. In Judge's view, though, "Manhattan sets up a great premise and then fails to deliver" and guess what, it doesn't have to do with anything as puny as art:
Keaton’s Mary Wilkie arrives as an intellectual equal to challenge Allen’s assumptions. Then, just as suddenly, she and Isaac fall in love and she loses all of her edge. She vacillates when she gets involved with a married man, Isaac’s best friend Yale. Where she was once fearlessly direct, she becomes dithering and morally uncertain. It’s fine to have characters who have self-doubt, in fact it makes for a more compelling film—and a fresh alternative to so-called Christian and conservative films, which give us square-jawed protagonists who get all their answers from God.
Allen will be relieved to hear he avoided this pitfall.
But you don’t establish a powerhouse female character who dismisses liberal journalists as “schmucks... mired in Thirties radicalism,” and two scenes later have her almost begging Woody Allen for a date.
I have asked this many times but: Has Judge ever met a real person? Or at least seen a Whit Stillman picture? Eventually Judge tells us how he would have made Manhattan:
How different and better Manhattan might have been had Allen just gone with the initial premise of the script: a middle-aged TV writer who is uncomfortable with the Cultural Revolution meets a sharp journalist who validates his doubts. They don’t become born-again Christians, but they do navigate their way to a better moral place. He stops dating teenagers, and she stops fooling around with a married man.
I'm on the edge of my seat! You won't be able to sell tickets fast enough! Maybe for the foreign markets, though, in the third act we should have them go on vacation to the Grand Canyon, and have one of those humorous encounters with wildlife Allen's so good at.

Next week at Acculturated: "Citizen Kane -- So much better without the class politics."

UPDATE. Comments are already fun! Gromet:
Chapter one: He adored Tulsa. He idolized it all out of proportion. Uh, no. Make that He romanticized it all out of proportion. To him, no matter what the season was, this was still a town that existed in black and white and pulsated to the great tunes of Toby Keith...

293 comments:

  1. sharculese11:24 AM

    Shorter Mark Judge: Woody Allen is a land of many contrasts.

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  2. Maybe for the foreign markets, though, in the third act we should have them go on vacation to the Grand Canyon.

    Wally World!
    ~

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  3. coozledad11:42 AM

    Similarly, Syd and Nancy would have been a better film if Syd had kicked and gone on to do a blue-eyed soul record with Hall and Oates and Phil Collins.


    Then they all get mauled by a helicopter gunship.

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  4. Fizzy_Shellfish11:44 AM

    This... this is awesome, as in awe-inspiring.

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  5. Fizzy_Shellfish11:45 AM

    "How different and better Manhattan might have been had Allen just gone with the initial premise of the script: ..."


    As if Woody threw out his first draft then did a rewrite to appease his commie friends.

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  6. a middle-aged TV writer who is uncomfortable with the Cultural Revolution
    I think everyone was uncomfortable with the Cultural Revolution. The continued systematic expulsion of all Western influence pretty much guaranteed that China was going to remain closed off at least until Mao's death.
    ...Oh wait, is that not what Mark was talking about? He's just dumb? Well, never mind then.

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  7. Fizzy_Shellfish11:51 AM

    "Films and books could do so much better with less conflict and more unanimous, whole-hearted trumpeting of the things I believe in


    Right? RIGHT?"

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  8. susanoftexas11:56 AM

    Allen said he didn't like the way he wrote Manhattan; it was "preachy and self-righteous." Which exactly what attracted Judge to it.

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  9. M. Krebs12:02 PM

    Acculturated. Where Composition 1 level essays about popular culture can lead to fame and fortune. Our motto: "You have to start somewhere. Why not here?"

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  10. John Wesley Hardin12:03 PM

    "You won't be able to sell tickets fast enough!" Of this there is no doubt.

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  11. John Wesley Hardin12:04 PM

    Piloted by a robot shark from the future.

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  12. John Wesley Hardin12:06 PM

    No, the American Cultural Revolution; the one that vilified St. Nixon and glorified dope, guns and fucking in the streets. Sure, maybe they were right about the guns but...

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  13. Bizarro Mike12:09 PM

    I want to make a James Bond film where during the opening action scene, Bond is running from gunfire from the minions ... then one of them hits him and he dies. Cut to a big piss-up where all the henchmen are partying. Next morning, it's cold and gray and everyone has a hangover. The next hour of the film is a long meditation about how achieving our goals doesn't always bring happiness.

    Strangely, no one else has been interested.

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  14. Downpup E12:13 PM

    The 16 year old Hillsdale link threw me, but in a review of a 36 year old film...

    I imagine in 1979 he was discussing whether Frankenstein Meets the Wolf-Man deviated from the solid values of Hitler's Children

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  15. M. Krebs12:15 PM

    First line of favorite-restaurant/Why is Chick-fil-A America’s Favorite Restaurant? by R. J. Moeller:

    When you ask your friends which fast food establishment they like best, Chick-fil-A is typically the trump card that takes the winning hand.

    Dude has a knack for metaphors, no?

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  16. Helmut Monotreme12:17 PM

    The new Manhattan Project: to remake films that are almost conservative into true conservative masterpieces! Using Jurassic Park style digital animation, we can create lifelike "digital actors" in this case Woody Allen and Diane Keaton circa 1979, reshoot a few scenes, recut and re-edit the film and... Yeah I don't know how I'm going to wrap that up. It's like taking a Warhol print and using it serve fish & chips. I mean argue about the virtues of the original work all you want, but at least it isn't hammered into the all but worthless, dreary, after school special that Mark Judge imagines.

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  17. It's certainly a familiar scene. Often was the weekend spent sitting in some little townie bar, enjoying a whiskey and coke while waiting for the next band to warm up, when the question inevitably arose: "So guys, what's your favorite fast food establishment?"

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  18. Jay B.12:28 PM

    Manhattan is also, at least at times, a conservative film. This sounds absurd about a Woody Allen film, but it’s useful to remember that Allen has always had a lot of criticism for the cultural revolution of the 1960s.


    THANK GOD. Otherwise conservatives might be totally fucking confused about what normal people were debating in the 60s and 70s. It's almost like he doesn't know shit about the Left, liberals, the New Left, the Democratic Party or basic history. Jesus Christ, every one of them, raised and fed in a small pen of the imagination.

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  19. Cheech and Chong movies would have been much funnier if they had a strong anti-drug message.

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  20. Jay B.12:46 PM

    I want to take this comment to Germany and gently sail with it down the Rhine.

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  21. a middle-aged TV writer who is uncomfortable with the Cultural Revolution meets a sharp journalist who validates his doubts.

    Red-bashing dumbass meets dumbass who validates his biases.

    It's like every day at NRO, in other words.

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  22. I must hang out with the wrong right people.

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  23. coozledad12:51 PM

    I have found that the length of one’s relationship with Chick-fil-A does very little to dilute his or her passion for it.

    The American love affair with Chronic amoebic dysentery.

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  24. Gromet12:52 PM

    How different and better Manhattan might have been had Allen just gone with the initial premise of the script


    Yes, I can imagine that first-draft narration even now... it's remarkable purity...

    "Chapter one: He adored Tulsa. He idolized it all out of proportion. Uh, no. Make that He romanticized it all out of proportion. To him, no matter what the season was, this was still a town that existed in black and white and pulsated to the great tunes of Toby Keith..."

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  25. Or, in the words of Bart Simpson, "SOMEONE has to be in last place!"

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  26. BigHank5312:54 PM

    How different and better Manhattan might have been...

    Now, I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not going to opine on how the plot should have been changed. It seems to be reasonably well-regarded in the Allen canon, so I guess it worked well enough. The impulse to tamper heavily with some piece of art is, well, frequently misplaced. And when it's politically inspired...

    Ever read Daniel Keyes' comments about Flowers for Algernon?

    "...So I wrote the story. I called Horace Gold, and he
    said, 'Bring it over. I'll read it while you're here. Have a cup of
    coffee, read a magazine.' Horace was an agoraphobic who ran poker games
    Friday night to Saturday dawn in his First Avenue apartment, and his
    office for Galaxy was there too. I was kind of nervous, because
    Horace was an important editor, and that was only my fifth short story I
    was submitting for publication. Horace came in from the other room and
    said, 'Dan, this is a good story, but I'm gonna tell you how to make it a
    great story: Charlie does not lose his intelligence; he remains a
    super-genius, and he and Alice fall in love, they get married, and live
    happily ever after.'..."


    That'd be a goddamn masterpiece next to Judge's Manhattan.

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  27. Atrios12:55 PM

    I'm not immune to be bothered the politics of movies, but I have zero interested in trying to claim/reclaim them for Team Liberalism which seems to be what this type of project is about(for Team Conservative). Forrest Gump might make me want to pull an Elvis on my TV when it comes on, but I'm not all that interested in writing my monograph on Why Bedtime For Bonzo Is A Liberal Film. The funny thing is that there are plenty of genuinely "conservative" films but conservatives are generally uninterested in claiming them as their own.

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  28. See? See?

    He's implying that the weak welfare state and mild social reforms of the Sixties are JUST LIKE the forced imposition of Maoism! HAW HAW Conservative irony! Wheee!

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  29. BigHank5312:57 PM

    Thinkers of the Right: Intellectual Veal.

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  30. Intellectual Veal.

    Pasty, white and expensive. Yep.

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  31. susanoftexas1:00 PM

    I want to feed this comment a bottle of milk.

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  32. Remember to wash your hands after visiting the animals!

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  33. Tom Parmenter1:03 PM

    And cruel.

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  34. Downpup E1:07 PM

    All those hundreds of slasher fllms where Bad Teens get punished, just sitting, waiting to be adopted....

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  35. edroso1:09 PM

    "The funny thing is that there are plenty of genuinely 'conservative' films but conservatives are generally uninterested in claiming them as their own."


    Why would that be? I think of them as grabbing anything they can get their hands on, like desperate escapees barricading a door. You aren't talking about Starship Troopers and such like, are you?

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  36. Tallmutha1:09 PM

    Personally, I despise Manhattan, but Judge may have managed to suggest one of the few alterations that wouldn't have improved it.

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  37. dstatton1:10 PM

    Liberal comics are quite capable of satirizing liberalism, something that conservatives don't seem to get.

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  38. Joel Wesson1:15 PM

    "hits him and he dies. Cut to a big piss-up where all the henchmen are partying."

    Kind of like Ikiru!

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  39. dstatton1:16 PM

    I imagine the folks at Acculturated would say that their movies have a conservative message because they seem to be so stupid because of the drugs. "Dave's not here!"

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  40. Tallmutha1:17 PM

    Ooh, ooh, how about if the Allen character had all his doubts about the 60's counterculture validated when somebody stole his bike?

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  41. Judge and his ilk must be an absolute RIOT!!! in real life. Just imagine, say, going to a restaurant:


    "Should I have the steak or the chicken? Seems to me the chicken, swimming in picatta sauce and surrounded by sautéed vegetables, doesn't quite convey the strength and independence that is America. The steak, however, speak broadly of the open range where true Americans live Cliven . . ."

    Other dinners guests: "Would you just shut the fuck up and order? Christ! Do we have to listen to political analysis of food?!?!?!?"

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  42. susanoftexas1:22 PM

    "Does this steak make me look manly?"

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  43. The old-guard "the personal is political" Marxists would slap him.

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  44. When you ask your friends which fast food establishment they like best, Chick-fil-A is typically the trump card that takes the winning hand.

    Said no living person, ever.

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  45. I knew that the odds were very high that a black person had taken my bike

    See, he knows a kneeblanke stole his bike because shut up, black people.

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  46. I think the reason they don't latch on to genuinely "conservative" films is because those films tend to be real stinkers. The American Christmas carol thing? Conservative to the core, and yet so bad even they don't want to be associated with it.

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  47. No, but eating all the potatoes will definitely make me look fat!

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  48. Don't mean to double comment here, but...that article was written this month? That Chick-fil-A shit was three years ago! And it was a whole lot of nothing then! Is this supposed to be the Tiananmen for 21st century wingnuts? I got news for you, Moeller - it ain't liberals and queers still wringing their hands over this...

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  49. redoubtagain1:37 PM

    You mean the one that led directly to the Cult of Reagan Personality?

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  50. It's actually quicker than that, because Mark can receive the most recent version of the conservative-approved list on his True Conservative Dining Guide app. Re-checked by only confirmed arbiters of conservative propriety every morning, he can know immediately that in celebration of the glorious victory that was the Chicken Sandwich Eating War of '12, he may have the chicken.

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  51. Derby McBowlerson1:42 PM

    Could these assholes just go ahead and compile the "Master List of All Counterintuitively Conservative Movies, Songs, Television Shows and Restaurant Placemats" so they don't have to dribble it out to us title by title?

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  52. Derby McBowlerson1:45 PM

    "the Tiananmen for 21st century wingnuts?"


    Any guesses as to on which wingnut welfare recipient will be the first to cast it in this light?

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  53. Derby McBowlerson1:50 PM

    The little-known conservative subtext to that sketch was that Tommy Chong thought that it was a census worker at the door and he was just taking the opportunity to Stick It to the Man.

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  54. TGuerrant1:54 PM

    Why doesn't Jerry Seinfeld make good movies like this?

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  55. Plus, in Gold's version, Charlie doesn't subsequently go to work for National Review.

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  56. Could these assholes just go ahead and compile the "Master List of All
    Counterintuitively Conservative Movies, Songs, Television Shows and
    Restaurant Placemats"All of them, Katie.

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  57. Keep fucking that chicken.

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  58. calling all toasters2:09 PM

    I'd call it an eternity.

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  59. realinterrobang2:12 PM

    Funny, I always thought Cheech and Chong movies were, in themselves, a strong anti-drug message. As in, don't smoke too much pot, or you'll wind up like those sad sacks.

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  60. "Ooh, Mr. Allen, I'm a big fan of your movies. Especially the later, conservative ones."
    "he’s a New York liberal with a conscience that tells him that Wilkie may have a point,"That Norman Mailer was a bag of shit? Help me, Lord, I'm apparently turning conservative, too.
    They don’t become born-again Christians, but they do navigate their way to a better moral place.They could believe in God and morality without becoming fundamentalist Protestants? In Manhattan, yet? That's mighty goyische of you, Mark. I hope that Christ-killer Allen is taking notes.
    But without it, Allen could write for National Review.(1) Given the sort of stuff John Derbyshire would say before he was fired, I'm not clear why the obsession with younger women would be an obstacle; and (2) I would pay cash money to read a Woody Allen article for National Review.

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  61. calling all toasters2:13 PM

    I can dig it, man.

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  62. calling all toasters2:17 PM

    "a near-great, near-conservative film"


    Which makes in a near-oxymoron.

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  63. sharculese2:35 PM

    It's a pretty epic grievance potpourri. There's a 'you didn't build that,' reference.

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  64. what i remember about 'manhattan' was that i first watched it a few years ago on a new year's eve date and with a professor of jewish studies who despite the gender difference acted a whole lot like woody allen and we made out a whole lot but did not have the sex.


    does the not getting laid make me almost conservative?

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  65. redoubtagain2:38 PM

    "He says the sheriff is near!"

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  66. What makes it Allen's best movie is the way the acting and cinematography always tell you when the script is lying, even if Allen doesn't seem to know. It's like a Mozart opera in that respect.

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  67. he certainly is a wild card, but i bet they're glad to have him in the deck---even if doesn't play a fair hand! but he nearly always comes up trumps, if there's not a joker in the pack....and sometimes there is!

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  68. But you agree they were essentially conservative. Race-blind and unaffected by faddish political correctness.

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  69. I'm not sure the minions have such good aim.

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  70. Downpup E2:51 PM

    a woody for woody makes you cartoonishly gae.

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  71. LittlePig2:56 PM

    No, no, I'm sure he is speaking to his friends aka Republican sheep.

    Hell, they'd gobble down Turd-fil-A if Rush told them it pisses the liberals off. Like a damn hive mind.

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  72. the point being, and it's one that goes unacknowledged, isn't whether or not a film is "conservative"; as you note, there are genuinely conservative films out there, even profoundly reactionary ones, which are in fact wildly successful (the nolan batman trilogy springs to mind), but that audiences/critics/commentators who aren't part of the tribe can also claim ownership/readings/critiques of them too (and here, the nolan batman trilogy springs to mind as well).


    no doubt part of this little effort to "reclaim" woody allen has a lot to do with his recent troubles and that he's a figure of some disrepute now; in this way, disingenuous conservative commentators are not unlike the writers at gawker or pitchfork---they don't want you to like what's "rightfully theirs," either.

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  73. LittlePig2:58 PM

    He adored Tulsa

    Well, there's your first problem right there.

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  74. Jay B.2:58 PM

    I'd almost be genuinely interested in their take on The Searchers, say. It's a political film. It has John Wayne. There are certainly conservative themes. But it also makes a pretty compelling stand that Wayne's racist, shitbag character was only redeemed at the end.

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  75. DN Nation2:59 PM

    Is anyone clinging to guns and religion?

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  76. satch2:59 PM

    "How different and better Manhattan might have been had Allen just
    gone with the initial premise of the script: a middle-aged TV writer
    who is uncomfortable with the Cultural Revolution meets a sharp
    journalist who validates his doubts. They don’t become born-again
    Christians, but they do navigate their way to a better moral place. He
    stops dating teenagers, and she stops fooling around with a married man."


    For anyone who wonders why conservatives suck at comedy, I give you "Exhibit A"...

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  77. what would be more interesting, i think, would be a critique of 'taxi driver,' which borrows heavily from 'the searchers' in a number of different ways.

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  78. I'm seeing an image of Jonah the Fail, plastic shopping bags dangling from each hand, standing in front of the No.6 bus while screaming about how mass transit is socialism.

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  79. For some people, it's a feature to get that bug. After all, your body doesn't really get a chance to soak up the cholesterol, trans-fats, and preservatives if nothing stays in your intestinal tract for more than an hour.

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  80. Pick a card. Any card.

    You're wrong--your card was the Jack of Hearts.

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  81. satch3:06 PM

    In his never ending search for conservative movies, Judge should be thankful that he'll always have 'Birth Of A Nation" to fall back on.

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  82. Ah! Remember when Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann was telling people to not cooperate with the census? And how, as soon as normal folks started saying, "WTF!?!?", ol' Rush Limbaugh leaped onto the bandwagon to tell conservatives to not provide any information to the census takers? Because that was one great way to really stick it Obama, you know.

    It only took three weeks or so before it dawned on them that Congressional representation is based on census data. Oops! Suddenly, providing accurate data to the census worker was the most conservative thing in the world.

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  83. You're too young to understand. We hippies really got to make our professors wear dunce caps and send them off to the countryside to do work in the fields. What a gas! Also the entire entertainment industry was shut down except for performances of the Red Detachment of Women. That was Abbie Hoffman's idea. But the best part was how people like Dick Cheney and George Bush were unemployable for the rest of their lives or driven to suicide, while Bill Ayers and I took over the country.

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  84. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:12 PM

    I can't think of too many things more a) boring, b) useless, c) frustrating, or d) wasteful of your time and money--especially at today's popcorn prices--than going to a movie and expecting, no, begging, to have your sociopolitical views vindicated (to roars from the crowd!). As a Progressive-with-a-Liberarian-streak™, can you imagine the disappointment if I tried that on a regular basis? Fuck that, I watch a movie to be entertained. That I'm equally entertained by, say, Blade Runner and The Man From Earth--though in different ways--is irrelevant. Or maybe it's relevant. What does it reveal? Fuck, I dunno...

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  85. satch3:12 PM

    Jesus, but I hate the Minions. As far as I'm concerned, conservatives can have them.

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  86. Better than eating it, anyway.

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  87. I would pay cash money to read a Woody Allen article for National Review.

    Shhhhhhhhhhh! This is how you wind up invited on the cruise of the damned. Or, worse, on the NRO mailing list.

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  88. Just think of them as Twinkies that have come to life after the nuclear holocaust.

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  89. coozledad3:17 PM

    I wouldn't want to see John Derbyshire's Interiors, though.

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  90. And who could forget setting up a little micro-foundry in the back yard to make pig-iron? Those were heady days, my friend!

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  91. I'm pretty sure the FBI would want to have a few words with you, considering all the under-age girl porn that seems to infest the Derbs.

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  92. satch3:20 PM

    "...Twinkies that have come to life after the nuclear holocaust."

    Ah... so that, plus the fact that they aren't remotely funny means they ARE inherently conservative.

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  93. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:21 PM

    Or he may learn to his consternation--and that of his rumbling tummy--that approved Conservative Fare™ isn't available in that town/neighborhood/county/state, and he'll just have to see if that bag of Freedom Fries in the glove compartment is still edible. Or maybe hit up the survival "food" stash in the trunk...

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  94. tsam1003:24 PM

    HOLD THE PHONE...


    I thought those trippy hippy college professors turned all you guys into the hippies.

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  95. tsam1003:26 PM

    Ewick Ewickson made threats involving a shotgun at census workers.

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  96. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:27 PM

    There's that, of course, but for these guys it's probably more fun to try and appropriate a supposedly Liberal movie/star/director as their own, if only temporarily. It's no fun claiming Atlas... as Conservative. Where are the points to be scored off The Left?

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  97. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:30 PM

    H L Gold is famous because, um, why, again?

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  98. tsam1003:30 PM

    Shorter Woody Allen: My former daughter is getting too old. Let's adopt another one.

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  99. tigrismus3:30 PM

    Well, not if those are from different directions... "sure, it's not the greatest film ever, BUT IT COULD BE WORSE! It could be even MORE conservative!"

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  100. tsam1003:31 PM

    I want to hug it and squeeze it and call it George.

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  101. hellslittlestangel3:32 PM

    Upvoted for a rare (for this place) post-20th century cultural reference. Ya whippersnapper!

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  102. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:33 PM

    Are there veal corndogs?

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  103. tsam1003:33 PM

    There is usually a bit of nudity in them. That makes them undesirable.

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  104. Kale, huh? A bitter dead-ender!

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  105. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:33 PM

    In bondage!

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  106. Jaime Oria3:34 PM

    "This ballet has everything !

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  107. tsam1003:35 PM

    even profoundly reactionary ones, which are in fact wildly successful (the nolan batman trilogy springs to mind)



    How do you see these as reactionary?

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  108. Atrios3:37 PM

    I dunno, I'd say most popular movies to which one could reasonably ascribe a political viewpoint to are pretty conservative, unless "people are vaguely recognizable as human beings and not ayn rand characters" disqualify them. Start with almost every RomCom. You know, woman's life is basically empty and meaningless until she lands a man.

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  109. tigrismus3:38 PM

    I would totally do this NOW if I had a yard. I'd even wear peasant blouses, but I draw the line at a poncho.

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  110. I think we could argue that it's basically pretty conservative, instilling a heartfelt patriotism in the youth, as well as an enticing glimpse of ladies with legs and guns at the same time. Kind of like a Chinese Manhattan.

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  111. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:41 PM

    He's holding all the cards, and guess what! They're all full houses...

    For the vast majority of y'all that have never played Portal 2, that voice is Wheatley, the intentionally stupidest computer core (bad idea generator) the best minds at Aperture Science could devise.

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  112. susanoftexas3:43 PM

    Everyone wants to see Hollywood movies but everyone knows Hollywood is liberal so that means people like liberals better which can't be true because liberals are worse.
    Conservative is the default state of humanity because it is better because it believes in God and only people who believe in God are good which means liberals are bad because they do not believe in God.
    Therefore if everyone likes a movie it is conservative and if it is conservative it is good.
    Obviously.

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  113. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person3:43 PM

    They have their own "classics", I guess. "Benghazi!!" is probably going to last far longer than most non-Cons would reasonably expect.

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  114. BigHank533:49 PM

    aka "Tuesday".

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  115. susanoftexas3:52 PM

    Speaking of gas, Trump dished on Our Jonah, via mediate.
    "On Jonah Goldberg, who compared him to a “failed man”: “I’m worth a fortune. You know, it’s interesting. I went to the best school, got great marks, everything else. I went out, I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune… bigger than people even understand. […] Then I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?” [Ed. note: Huh? Does anyone know why Trump would think Goldberg can’t buy pants? Send tips to tips@mediaite.com]" http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-steamrolls-nbc-reporter-takes-shots-at-krauthammer-and-jonah-goldberg/
    Sadly it's not that Jonah does not have pants, it's just that he finds it easier to get ... things... done without them.

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  116. Can I interest you in a Nehru jacket?

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  117. redoubtagain4:08 PM

    Good thing I don't have to take the (former) #6 Jeffery Express anymore. "Run that mother----- over, I'mma be late for work."

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  118. BigHank534:08 PM

    What it reveals is that you know what a goddamn movie is for. Of course, it also shows you're not a political hack that weeps at the thought of eighty kids strolling out of an Inside Out matinee because they missed out on ninety-three minutes of political indoctrination. My God, thinks Judge, If only could control every bit of information that drips into those moppets' heads, I could produce a generation of REAL Americans! And then's its off to wankland with fantasies of blond, blue-eyed, muscular Youth of the Future scrubbing the filth and rot from the country.

    Y'all don't get this 'cause you don't have a boner for fascism. Pretty sure that's not a disappointment.

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  119. FlipYrWhig4:09 PM

    Apropos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ5BfSjyzgo

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  120. I suspect Trump's pants comment stems from the fact that Jonah still buys pants with a 30-inch waist, but now has to wear them down around his pubis bone.

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  121. This comment is welcome to join my free-love commune.

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  122. Ed. note: Huh? Does anyone know why Trump would think Goldberg can’t buy pants?Because of all the restraining orders?

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  123. coozledad4:23 PM

    Taking Tiger Mountain Crotch Shot By Crotch Shot.

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  124. Well, there's a definite feudalism vibe in there, especially The Dark Knight Rises, where a paternalistic billionaire mobilizes the valiant police to take their city back from a disaffected Occupy-style mob (albeit a cynically-manipulated one).

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  125. Jay B.4:29 PM

    All I hear is Rhapsody in White now.

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  126. merl14:30 PM

    Can't they just enjoy a damned movie without making it fit their ideology?

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  127. tigrismus4:34 PM

    YES.

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  128. What does it reveal?Being entertained by Bladerunner and The Man from Earth? That you're conservative, because you stand athwart movies shouting "Slow down!"

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  129. Here ya go! (Contents sold separately.)

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  130. Gabriel Ratchet4:49 PM

    It's sort of like Heinlein's "--All You Zombies--". To a wingnut, every leftist movement is simultaneously its own sinister progenitor and its own equally poisonous offspring.

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  131. They can't enjoy it even when they've made it fit their ideology. The cutting off the heels and toes and jamming the shoes on is the closest they come to pleasure. Anhedonia is a harsh mistress.

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  132. I think that's the answer.

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  133. RogerAiles5:00 PM

    Second line:

    "Would you like fries with that?"

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  134. Ellis_Weiner5:00 PM

    "They don’t become born-again Christians, but they do navigate their way to a better moral place."



    Wouldn't that be nice? They navigate their way--maybe with the help of a qualified clergyman, or a lay adviser who knows a thing or two about how the Bible is still "relevant"--to an affirmation of the values, lifestyle choices, sexual mores, and gender roles that for generations have made "conservatives" synonymous with smug self-satisfied moralizing--and hypocritical!--assholes.



    And you wonder why conservatives don't understand art? Actually, you don't. We talk about it here every day and twice on Sunday. To Mark Judge (the name is too on-the-nose but never mind) and his lot, culture IS propaganda. It has to be, because they can't bear ambiguity, ambivalence, or change. It's why they can't be funny, write anything but tendentious novels, or produce movies any better than An American Carol.

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  135. RogerAiles5:02 PM

    Even a stopped Trump....

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  136. coozledad5:04 PM

    Stairway to Gallagher.

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  137. Living the Libertarian ideal.

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  138. start here, here, and here.

    the point, though, again isn't whether or not a cultural product is "owned" by any one side of a political spectrum---frankly, this is a particularly reactionary era, even by our own standards; the point is that what wanna-be conservative critics strive for is a product that belongs to no one but them,, and cannot be read or interpreted or even enjoyed by anyone else who isn't "conservative." so when conservatives crow about american sniper or the dark knight or anything else, they're not talking about whether or not the piece is conservative, the referencing the politics of the audience: ie, american sniper is popular, ergo, americans are conservative.

    you don't have to be dick cheney to get something out of a movie or a television show or whatever that might be fundamentally conservative or even right-wing: the cold war politics of everybody's favorite teevee liberal, gene roddenberry, is basically in-line with john wayne's---that doesn't mean you can't be a communist (like, an actual communist, ie me) and enjoy or even interpret the piece in a unique way.

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  139. Gabriel Ratchet5:31 PM

    I love that movie! It just gets more relevant with every first-world incursion into the third.

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  140. No. The conservative project is to keep the world safe for the sub-violently insane and keep them mainstreamed. It is vital for the project to attack if not suppress any sources of hopes of actual sanity becoming established and the norm.

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  141. LittlePig6:32 PM

    Ah, perhaps Prime Obsession was metaphorical...

    (As much as it pains me to say it, he doesn't write half-bad math books)

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  142. LittlePig6:33 PM

    Gives Woody's Roundup a hole new meaning.

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  143. LittlePig6:36 PM

    It's all propaganda. Every last bit of every God damn thing is done for effect. Anyone believing in an honest broker among this lot is a fool.

    How screamingly desperate they must be.

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  144. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person6:44 PM

    No.

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  145. LittlePig6:44 PM

    Dear Lord, tell Leonard Maltin first, and indirectly so he doesn't die of cardiac arrest. He dearly adores that one (whereas to me, the significance ends at Buddy Holly. 'That'll be the day').

    Personally, they can go do to town on the The Searchers. But if they dare dis The Sons Of Katie Elder, well, now they've gone from preachin' to meddlin'. Likewise Rio Bravo. (Some might detect my favorite thing about John Wayne movies - some of them have Dino in them. I miss him most of all).

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  146. He was the editor of Galaxy Science Fiction magazine, which was a major SF pulp right after Astounding under John W. Campbell, Jr. in the 50s and 60s.



    Galaxy Science Fiction was an American digest-size science fiction magazine, published from 1950 to 1980. It was founded by an Italian company, World Editions, which was looking to break into the American market.
    World Editions hired as editor H. L. Gold, who rapidly made Galaxy the leading science fiction (sf) magazine of its time, focusing on stories about social issues rather than technology.

    Gold published many notable stories during his tenure, including Ray Bradbury's "The Fireman", later expanded as Fahrenheit 451; Robert A. Heinlein's The Puppet Masters; and Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man. In 1952, the magazine was acquired by Robert Guinn, its printer. By the late 1950s, Frederik Pohl was helping Gold with most aspects of the magazine's production. When Gold's health worsened, Pohl took over as editor, starting officially at
    the end of 1961, though he had been doing the majority of the production work for some time.


    ......................

    SF historian David Kyle agrees, commenting that "of all the editors in and out of the post-war scene, the most influential beyond any doubt was H. L. Gold".[3] Kyle suggests that the new direction Gold set "inevitably" led to the experimental New Wave, the defining science fiction literary movement of the 1960s.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/GalaxyOct50rearcover.jpg

    Here's an episode of the radio show X Minus One based on a story published there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJtsI22M6Ow

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  147. LittlePig6:58 PM

    Grrrrrr. And these blithering idiots that take a LITERAL view. Dude, metaphor! metaphor!. I'm goddamn autistic and I figured that one out (shoot, the garden of Eden bit is creepily metaphorical - 'And they ate from the Tree of Good and Evil' ('and thus entered a 'non-animal' consciousness of Thee and Thou') which bent ol' YWHW out of shape (passive aggressive much, son of El? Yeah, El, as in 'babel' (the Gate of El) and Dani-el ('God is my judge') and Isra-el ('struggle with God' (how apt)).

    'And women will be cursed with pain in childbirth'



    Yes, because our freakin' brains are so big! The other great apes have straight spinal columns, not our S-shape. Why an S-shape? Because our freakin' brains were so big!


    In that construction, 'original sin' was the creation of the ego.. Well, that's all great and cool, but if we didn't eat from that Tree, then who the hell is reading this?!


    Sorry, this kind of thing drives me nuts.

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  148. Gromet7:03 PM

    Say, let me switch from movies to books: Currently I'm reading a novel
    called The Orphan Master's Son by Adam Johnson. It seems fairly conservative. I mean it's set in North
    Korea, and it paints the place unpleasant. It seems like
    an excellent read for any hawk who longs for a good Evil Empire to think
    Cold War thoughts about. But also there's a bit of ambiguity, with
    stuff about flexibility of identity and the unreality of reality -- just not in a way that would trip conservative alarms. (There is a single
    line I'd take as being against waterboarding and that's about it, so it's impure, but c'mon.) Now,
    no spoilers, please, I've got 60 pages to go -- but it's a great story
    and well done, and it won the Pulitzer in 2012 or 2013. It's probably
    a conservative novel and I'd call it near-great.

    (I'd probably call The Road by Cormac McCarthy near-great and conservative, and same for No Country.)

    But Roy brings up a really good point -- you don't see conservatives claiming any of these works o' art, do you? Why the hell is that?

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  149. susanoftexas7:04 PM

    Actually, you can't worship without consciousness. Animals can't worship the sun (despite all appearances-I'm looking at you, cats) or ancestor cats or a cat deity or Hello Kitty.*
    So God wanted Adam and Eve to attain consciousness since we were created to worship and obey him. (TM Continuing Catholic Education)
    He told them not to eat of the tree and punished them for eating of the tree but he created them to eat of the tree.
    What a dick.
    *(I hereby trademark the idea, organizational structure, and image of the Church of the Cat God and retain 100% rights to all merchandise.)

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  150. LittlePig7:08 PM

    What a dick.

    I know, right? That's where the passive-aggressive comes in - I almost used the old term 'speaking Martian' (in the I'm OK You're OK sense - not Mars and Venus stuff).

    "You can do anything you want, anything at all, hey, hey, here's a stick, pay attention! Just don't, and I mean don't, touch these two trees!". Talk about your Daddy Dearest.

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  151. susanoftexas7:13 PM

    15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
    Eve "desired wisdom" and the serpent told her she would not die and as her eyes were not opened there was no reason why she would not believe another of God's creations, evidently the one who could talk like her and Adam.
    Wisdom will kill you-definitely a mixed message from God there.

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  152. JennOfArk7:24 PM

    Or as B^4 says, the conservative hive-ass.

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  153. i can only offer something by way of example, and it's probably not the best, but: i work for a small non-profit in denver which puts on community dialogues. numerous times, i have invited the local libertarian/conservative think tank, and a "youth" rw activist group to join the events. there is no interest; there is nothing to be gained---that is, our work is not essentially political. it in no way helps them prevent a hiliary victory in 2016, or aids them getting michael benett out of office, or anything incredibly boring like that. our work is about building community, and that doesn't score any points.


    so, long comment longer---what's gained, and what isn't, right? cormac mccarthy isn't exactly present in the culture like woody allen still is, so i guess, draw your own conclusions.

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  154. tsam1007:29 PM

    Yeah--I see where you're going with that. I dig into these Nolan films and find a dirty white hat and a filthy black hat trope. A lot of it is more silly to me than reactionary--the hero crap (we need vs. deserved). I guess I was focused on Wayne's struggle with being a hero, though he doesn't quite see himself that way. He feels like he's the one who can work around the law in when police can't or aren't competent enough to do the job.


    I guess if the villians weren't such exaggerated caricatures of actual criminals (excluding politicians), then I could see where the reactionary vibe is coming from. But I'm seeing more of a comic book--fairly juvenile theme that I just enjoy sitting back and watching without too much of a critical eye. If they were going for a theme like that, it missed me--though I'm not the most critical of movie watchers when it comes to big budget Hollywood action flicks.

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  155. JennOfArk7:29 PM

    Maybe he was reaching for "Loadpants" or "Pantload."

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  156. tsam1007:31 PM

    I didn't find that to be an Occupy style mob. The Occupy style language IMO was just Bane toying with them, the way a cat toys with (tortures) a live mouse. We all knew all along that everyone was going to die if Batman didn't show up and help the dumb police who got stuck in a hole.

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  157. LittlePig7:40 PM

    Yep. The female desired wisdom, and shit-fer-brains, er, the man said 'Nuh-uh'. There have been piss-offed men (in their own form of white privelge) since ever more a-while. I get tired of hearing Paul bashed for what he didn't write, no way no how.

    (Look, the saddest story of last year to me was that the 'woman taken in adultery' was a 3rd century addition - story was too damn good, though, gotta admit. And yet I am not, and cannot remotely be considered, a Christian. I want to know what the little Yeshoua said, as best we know (and we know better all the time, praise archeology and dry climates), because even back-in-my-posin' days it was explained to me that the sum of the New Testament (quoiting my 'on the fence' father) is 'Straighten Up And Act Like Somebody'. I find that to be pretty damn staight on. I read the Synoptic Gospels and go from there. My comments on the Book of John (a response to which we haven't the original), aka, 'when it started going off the tracks' are only shared with a few folks needless to say)

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  158. and there's nothing wrong with any of that! they're great movies, even for a commie like me: i love the "why do we fall down" thing. the performances are great and the action's wonderful and there's plenty to enjoy.


    but---they are products of our era, which is a pretty sucky one as eras go (superman, the new deal hero, has no place here), and so i just find myself more aware of the limitations of the piece.

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  159. No, its conservative because the fact that the protagonist's wife left him for a woman means that he now knows how awful the gay agenda really is.

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  160. Gromet7:50 PM

    Interesting! Huh... so, maybe you could look at culture and art as a means of building a community, and if that's the case, then maybe it just isn't going to hold much interest for people whose instinct is to define themselves as standing against [everything]. I think you could look at far rightwingers as people whose driving need is to feel like angry outcasts who no one will listen to even though they are so, so right -- and if so, then joining any kind of community (except an angry one of fellow self-made martyrs) is not going to appeal to them.

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  161. LittlePig7:52 PM

    Bravo/Brava! One of my favorite X-Minus One episodes, right up there with (although still Dimension-X) The Professor a Thief - the only L. Ron Hubbard story I ever liked, and Junkyard.

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  162. Wait, could you run that by me again?

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  163. Its a bit "the enemy of my enemy could be my friend" and also perhaps a play for Woody Allen to feel free to finally reveal his true, inner, conservative nature so they can score one for their side. The thinking must be "liberals hate him now--albeit for pedophilia--and you can see the roots of his rejection of them as far back as Manhattan when he makes fun of lesbians. So now is probably a good time to sidle up to him and offer to be his best friend." And if he rejects them publicly? They can turn right around and attack the liberal side for tolerating a known pedophile. Its a win win.

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  164. What asshole Moeller won't tell you, by the way: Libtard, worker-friendly and GMO-shy Chipotle and Panera finished a very close second and third in that survey.

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  165. Interesting work you do. Wish I lived closer so Icould drop in.


    But on your broader point I would have to assume that Manhattan came up as the subject of his piece not because it needed to be written about, or even that it is still current with the populace, but because it came to the top of his netflix queue and he decided to watch it and multi task by writing a throw-away piece. If he were a food writer he would have written about how Barbecue is essentially conservative. Or deviled eggs. Or whatever.

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  166. I back you on Rio Bravo but not on The Sons. Starts out well but dribbles off into tedium.

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  167. billcinsd8:10 PM

    Vernon Reed was the bomb

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  168. A lady woody allen? Perhaps once I might have thought that described me, but in later years I'm happy to say that there is no resemblance and the very comparison now seems creepy and doomed to horror.

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  169. Yeah, i was heartbroken about that too. Were we both reading Bart Ehrmann's Misquoting Jesus or Lost Christianities? Because its in that. But the woman taken in adultery is oe of the best midrash in the New Testament. A real genius wrote it. Shame to have to throw it out as inauthentic.

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  170. billcinsd8:13 PM

    Boom! goes the watermelon

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  171. billcinsd8:14 PM

    that Congressional representation is based on census data.

    they are trying to fix this

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  172. billcinsd8:16 PM

    I believe they conserve both mass AND energy

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  173. so, maybe you could look at culture and art as a means of building a community



    yeah we <a href="www.warmcookiesoftherevolution.org>do</a>

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  174. billcinsd8:18 PM

    the conservatives love Tulsa for the oil and the 1921 race"riot"

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  175. billcinsd8:23 PM

    Has Trump filed his forms for running for President yet? i personally can't wait to find out how big that fortune really is. Being only slightly overweight, I don't understand big numbers as well as J Goldberg, but I do OK because of scientific notation

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  176. M. Krebs8:24 PM

    Chick Filet knows its customers and gives them what they like. Its customers like knowing that the most interesting flavors they'll encounter are mayonnaise and dill pickle. NO SURPRISES PLEASE.

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  177. billcinsd8:26 PM

    kept in a cage with no exercise and probably no sex

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  178. Randy Gibbons8:28 PM

    From the last thread's crop o'quotes:

    The culture wars of the past produced great achievements in art, architecture, literature, and science as the opposing parties strove to demonstrate that they had more to offer and deserved the people’s admiration and loyalty. Those culture wars gave us Michelangelo’s David, Galileo’s science, Milton’s “Paradise Lost,” the Declaration of Independence and the First Amendment, and the movement for the abolition of slavery.



    So now the "culture wars" involve most (or all?) human activity, understood as warfare by other means. I don't care to propose a narrower, more useful definition, but I'll pass on this one. It's also stale as fuck. But mainly useless.


    I am reminded of folks for whom a football metaphor is the key to enthusiasm about discussing anything from the Middle East to a harmonious marriage to grilling steaks. The metaphor sucks, but who cares so long as we can talk about balls and stuff. The alternative would be talking about "Paradise Lost" and Ben Shapiro (?) could care less about that. Which is fine, if he'd cut the bullshit and be less of a shameless sub-hack.

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  179. billcinsd8:30 PM

    but the unmarried teenagers getting killed while having sex. Full Metal Conservative

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  180. LittlePig8:32 PM

    Yes, ma'am, reading both and the same.

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  181. I love both those books. Terrific reads.

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  182. One Track Lover8:48 PM

    If that's how you treat your friends, imagine how you treat your enemies! Worse, I expect!


    That's about the size of it in a nutshell.

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  183. Randy Gibbons8:48 PM

    ESSAY QUESTION: discuss how Milton's Paradise Lost fulfilled his goal of demonstrating that he had more to offer and was more deserving of peoples' admiration and loyalty than the opposition. For full credit, do so without discussing Milton, Paradise Lost, or the forces that did or did not oppose Milton.

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  184. Actually a Chinese Manhattan is mao tai sorghum liqueur with a dash of sweet vermouth and a cherry. Ew. Hopefully nobody has ever done that.

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  185. Tom Parmenter9:01 PM

    Also Rick Nelson.

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  186. tsam1009:08 PM

    THATS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU MESS WITH SATAN

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  187. M. Krebs9:09 PM

    I think we're giving them way too much credit. A "conservative film" (or book or song or whatever) is simply one that can inspire in them a "we're right fuck yeah America rules suck it libtards!" I don't believe they possess the analytical skills you guys are talking about.

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  188. Tom Parmenter9:20 PM

    All of them that are out there, Katie.


    Our leaders should be quoted accurately.

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  189. Can we just say In-N-Out is the liberal choice and poll this to see which will win? Vast difference in distribution notwithstanding.

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  190. Join the club. I was introduced to the Shadow episodes with Orson Welles as The Shadow when I was 14 years old and it was cheap programming for a college station with a small FM signal.

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  191. See my reply to bgnewhouse. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? My favorite Shadow episode is "The Shadow Challenged."

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  192. Nah. He'll just pull into the 7-11 and ask the poor bastard behind the counter if he can make change for a Krugerand.

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  193. Jay B.9:43 PM

    Then truly, I give them no credit at all. I think their cultural hot taeks are even more idiotic than their politics. I mean who in the fuck cares one way or another the inherent conservatism of Manhattan? There's zero part about it that makes any sense at all. More to the point, I think the conservative "enterprise" is past the con stage, although the higher-order cynics can still wring some cash out of the morons, and well into the advanced dementia of a kind of intellectual syphilis that began to infect these idiots the moment Buckley thought he could fuse a little thesaurus vocab to peckerwood politics. The result of the liberal mind is a guy like Obama, not perfect, but obviously smart, composed, racially-important, wonky, but also possessive of some really well observed emotional intelligence — I think he's whored out on trade and plenty of other awful conveniences aside — but that's the basis of debate and disagreement. The conservative mind has produced Scott Walker and Donald Trump. There's nothing to them but empty greed and id. Watching these half-witted "adults" try and ponder art or even investigate the intersection between art and politics is to marvel at the inbred, pathetic bubble they've sewn themselves into, it's not pure gibberish because it's mendacious and vicious besides, but it's hollow and fraudulent. It doesn't pass for thought, it doesn't even pass for motor skills. If they weren't so hilarious and I didn't hate them so much, I'd pity them, to go through life trying to wring victories out of moral and intellectual inadequacies.

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  194. You know, if you keep holding back, we're just never gonna know how you really feel.

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  195. Eh, I'm pretty sure they do not want to get into a pedophile competition since there seems to be no end of conservatives (especially rightwing religious/moralist types) getting caught diddling little kids or surfing the intertubes for teh kiddie pr0n.

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  196. Yeah, ideas like racial and sexual equality, as seen in the Lensman series. At this rate, they'll be reaching back to Fitz-Greene Halleck before too long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitz-Greene_Halleck

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