ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A CLIMATE SKEPTIC?Hayward also calls the Congressman and his colleagues "McCarthyite witch hunters." He's the victim of a blacklist, see, except he's still working, and all the people who are likely to employ him consider him a hero. Other than that it's Red Channels all over again.
But what does Hayward think about Joe McCarthy himself? From a 2011 Hayward post about Eugene McCarthy:
Following a speech to the Manchester Kiwanis Club, for example, Gene McCarthy was presented the customary service club thank-you plaque with an inscription expressing “appreciation to Senator Joseph McCarthy.” (Emphasis added.) If only.Elsewhere you can find Hayward praising M. Stanton Evans' Blacklisting History, "by far the most serious defense of McCarthy since the Buckley-Bozell book in the 1950s," and looking forward to an upcoming Evans opus containing "new details about Alger Hiss, Elizabeth Bentley, Owen Lattimore, Harry Dexter White, Eleanor Roosevelt, and especially Harry Hopkins." (Possibly just to debunk it, though!)
As for modern-day witch-hunters, Hayward's attitude toward them changes depending on the identity of the witch -- from a 2012 AP story on people who think Obama's a socialist:
Steven Hayward, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and author of a two-volume biography of Ronald Reagan, said Obama is not a socialist under the strict definitions of that term – central economic planning and government control of production.
"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain – government regulations, supervision of the private economy," Hayward said. "The problem now with Obama is, 'What does he really think?'"I'm constantly being asked if I hold the Voltaire defend-to-the-death position on people I disagree with, but I am seldom offered a for-instance where the subject isn't just entirely full of shit.
McCarthyite tactics are bad but McCarthy was right. Similarly, he called Greenpeace the John Birch Society of the environmental movement, so some commenters jumped on him for disparaging that outstanding organization.
ReplyDelete"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain –"Oh, come on, how hard is it to say, "Anything reactionary mendacious shitweasels such as myself don't like," Steven? You could use being forced to eat your vegetables during childhood as an example, and everyone would grasp the secondary meeting immediately.
ReplyDelete"What conservative is being oppressed today?"
ReplyDeleteAll of them, Katie.
McCarthy was right? He did have a list of communists in the state department?
ReplyDelete"And another thing about Obama: It's disgusting how he brought his dirty 'Chicago style' politics to the White House."
ReplyDelete"Uh, why is that guy handing you a suitcase full of cash?"
"OPPRESSION!"
I was paraphrasing Steven Hayward.
ReplyDeletenicely done
ReplyDelete"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain-"
ReplyDeleteUnlike fascism, which means whatever it wants, whenever it wants.
However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain
ReplyDeleteremarkably, this manages to actually be the definition of "a feeling"
"'What does he really think?'"
ReplyDeleteBeing a pretty conventional centrist Democrat, he surely believes that the private sector works for the most part but in certain areas is inadequate. Eg. Healthcare.
So he believes in a typical mixed economy, where the government plays a important regulatory role in some industries. Like any president in history. The difference being that in his era, the shithead opposition is completely unwilling to engage in a good-faith discussion of which industries those are and what the appropriate regulation should be.
So fuck off with your concern-trolling over "who Obama is". You idiots know, you simply play dumb for political reasons.
What does he really think?
ReplyDeleteFor a large plurality of these ignoramuses, they really don't know. He is the spooky Kenyan upon whom they can project their scariest paranoid fantasies.
ReplyDeleteI bet I know where Hayward stands on the real Witchhunts. But I'm not telling. You have to figure it out for yourselves
ReplyDelete"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain – government regulations, supervision of the private economy,"
ReplyDeleteThere are only two types of people then, anarchists and socialist. I always suspected that Reagan was a fellow traveler.
It has been wingnut Holy Writ at least for twenty years that McCarthy was right, a hero ahead of his time and unfairly maligned by the pinko press.
ReplyDeleteHayward is in charge of gathering the kindling.
ReplyDeleteNow, now. Don't disparage anarchism by equating it with conservatism and the potheads AKA libertarians.
ReplyDeleteThe conservatives are socialists too. The anarchists are still anarchists.
ReplyDeleteThe dumb is not always an act.
ReplyDeleteWell, Mr Hayward in his column wants to make it clear to America, that not only is he a proudly ignorant opponent of reducing carbon emissions and fighting global climate change, thereby potentially saving millions of lives, he isn't one of those bought and paid for shills. No, sir. He's willfully ignorant as a matter of principal.
ReplyDeleteThe funny thing about this "witch hunt" is that the major accusation leveled at climate scientists is that they are perpetrating a hoax so they can line their pockets with grant money, which (given the billions in profits that the fossil fuels industries rake in) is ludicrous.
ReplyDeleteIt'll only get worse as the "National Review" libel case gets closer.
You have to figure it out for yourselvesToo easy. The real witchhunts were performed by Christians. And as the recent pigshit avalanche over the Crusades has reminded us, Christians can't do anything bad ever.
ReplyDeleteHe's willfully ignorant as a matter of principal.I see what you did there.
ReplyDeleteYou sure he's not the one in charge of weighing the duck?
ReplyDeleteIt'll only get worse as the "National Review" libel case gets closer.
ReplyDeleteIs that still the Mann vs. Steyn thing?
That's what I' was getting at.
ReplyDeleteLike in that song "Soooooocialism...nothing more than soooooocialism...."
ReplyDeletethe major accusation leveled at climate scientists is that they are
ReplyDeleteperpetrating a hoax so they can line their pockets with grant moneyIf f:X x Y --> X is conservative, then f(x,y) = x, because it's always projection.
My god! On top of being a dictator, a limp wristed cocaine addled homo, a floor wax and a dessert topping he's also a film screen?
ReplyDeleteThis is entirely off-topic, but I need help. This week, I've been trying to help this woman through a really nasty immigration and custody dispute. I don't want to go into too much detail in public, but here's the overview: The woman is currently married to a foreign-born naturalized citizen - she has residency but isn't a citizen yet. Her husband has been manipulating and mistreating her, and now he's trying to take away her son. She reached out to me because I'm the only person she knows in this country.
ReplyDeleteI've been doing everything I can on my end to help, but I don't think it's enough. My father is a lawyer but his experience with the INS is limited. If anyone here knows of someone who can help in any way, please have them contact me at dmjohnston AT outlook DOT com. This could well be a lost cause, but I feel obligated to do whatever I can.
Oh, I figured that. I was just showing my work.
ReplyDeleteWHERE THE ANALOGY BREAKS DOWN:
ReplyDeleteI have in my hand here a list of so-called Scientists, who are being paid by Exxon/Mobile to produce murky, shoddy, research that further serves the interests of their paymasters while the world burns."
"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, aren't you and your commie scientists simply being bought by Big Academia? It seems obvious from here that your peer-reviewed results are simply part of a vast conspiracy of anti-capitalist alarmism to make Al Gore emperor."
Right-wingers think any questioning of their positions at all is oppression and witch-hunts because they know, deep down, that never allowing questions is the only way their positions will ever stand.
ReplyDeleteReporting on tips, income, and bribes is McCarthyism. Obvs.
ReplyDeleteCan't give you any help with immigration but I'm wondering whether a call to someone who work with VAWA and Joe Biden might be of use. I think that some of the battered women's organizations come up against the abuse of foreign born/immigrant women quite frequently and they may know someone who has the expertise to help in this case.
ReplyDeletekon-sis-ten-see? What's that?
ReplyDeletethe major accusation leveled at climate scientists is that they are
ReplyDeleteperpetrating a hoax so they can line their pockets with grant money
Ludicrous, You say?! [sputter] MORE OPPRESSION!!!
A feeling? No wonder Hayward didn't recognize it.
ReplyDeleteHe CAN'T be a film screen because film screens are white!
ReplyDeleteI would like to Laplace Transform this comment.
ReplyDeleteI'm hooked on socialism!
ReplyDeleteI'm high on...
economic planning via rational non-emotionalism?
It's not cash, it's fiat currency.
ReplyDeleteWhich I'm taking down to my local Fiat dealer and having converted into a snazzy new car.
I think you might be stoned on government intervention to produce orderly and predictable markets in which businesses can function with confidence.
ReplyDeleteDuh, Joe McCarthyism is good, Gene McCarthyism isn't.
ReplyDelete. . . an upcoming Evans opus containing "new details about Alger Hiss, Elizabeth Bentley, Owen Lattimore, Harry Dexter White, Eleanor Roosevelt, and especially Harry Hopkins."
ReplyDeleteBoy! If THIS doesn't get the millenials all fired up and voting Republican for at least two generations, nothing will. I know my 20-year-old niece was telling me just the other day that she had questions about Hiss and thought maybe Nixon staged the Pumpkin Papers.
OT: Anyone know what gives with Gin and Tacos' non-existence?
ReplyDeleteNeeds work, but as long as we get the Ooga-Chakas in there we're golden.
ReplyDeleteThis is so they can appear to be so brave in continuing to defy the oppressors. I will not be silenced!
ReplyDeleteThat's the one.
ReplyDeleteFirst they came for the scientists, and I said nothing, for I was not a scientist. Well, okay, that's not true -- I said, "My neighbor's a scientist! And my son's wife!" Scientists are barely human, and they deserve the worst they can get.
ReplyDeleteThen they came for the rightwing bloggers, and I blew a gasket, because hey! That's me! Also when I say they came for me, I mean they toothlessly questioned an obvious conflict of interest on my part. THOSE JACKBOOTED SOCIALISTS! IT'S SECOND AMENDMENT TIME!
Then they came for the persecution fantasists and those who cry "apocalypse!" when there is no apocalypse. It didn't apply to me, because my persecution is real, so I wasn't worried. Except about the apocalypse.
Ohhh, Fiat? Or as we call it around here, Socialist Union-Owned Chrysler.
ReplyDeleteMore than a feeling?
ReplyDeleteMister, we could use a man like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon again!
ReplyDeleteDouchebag also has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain. You have to click on powerlineblog.com to get the gist.
ReplyDelete"I'm constantly being asked if I hold the Voltaire defend-to-the-death position on people I disagree with, but I am seldom offered a for-instance where the subject isn't just entirely full of shit. "
ReplyDeleteRoy, when I read about this new "Climate Change McCarthyism", it brings to mind this other quote from Voltaire:
"I always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: "O Lord, make our enemies quite ridiculous!" God granted it."
"almost certainly Greenpeace, the John Birch Society of the environmental movement, is behind this)."
ReplyDelete"Let’s start by axing a simple question"
ReplyDeleteIf there is a more effective guaranteed laugh line than "resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute" I have yet to hear it.
ReplyDeleteI was just about to post my own guffaw.
ReplyDelete~
CALIPH GORE.
ReplyDelete~
"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain - "
ReplyDeleteHow about "anything that doesn't allow GOP donors to skim a profit"?
Or we could go with "anything that a liberal supports, updated daily."
Or "anything that provides any type of benefit to anyone I don't like."
I could go on....
Cal-Gore, Superman's older cousin.
ReplyDeleteJonah Goldberg. I rest my case.
ReplyDeleteOT, but just wanted to let everyone know the website for our awesome foot-stink fighting powder is now up and running: www.stompoutstink.com. And to ask you good people if you would help promote our facebook thingy and twitter feed to help us get the word out. And of course, to buy some of our awesome foot powder if you or someone you live with needs it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for indulging this shameless pimping.
Ducks can be used as kindling because they are made out of wood. How do you think they float?
ReplyDeleteI've got a socialism, a socialism deep inside, oh yeah
ReplyDeleteYour case is already resting after an encounter with a Costco-sized bag of Cheetos.
ReplyDeleteI am prepared to offer this comment six of one and a half dozen of the other.
ReplyDelete"However, socialism has a secondary meaning that is harder to explain –"
ReplyDeleteThese guys wouldn't know an actual socialist unless one jammed a Hammer and Sickle up their asses while singing "The Internationale".
To do list:
ReplyDelete1. Buy hammer
2. Buy sickle
3. Learn to sing "The Internationale"
Recommended by Dustin Toes!
ReplyDelete"almost certainly", i.e, "I'm pulling another turd out of my ass."
ReplyDeleteHey. He's back in action.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g#t=13
ReplyDeleteI hope this helps.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/fNn-v5u1sNM
And what's happened to Spaghetti Lee? I hope's he's not having an affair with another blog.
ReplyDeleteLet's make it the Official Foot Powder of Alicublog.
ReplyDeleteMy personal favorite version:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2MpX2GhPZA
Why should we listen to Gore?? His planet was destroyed!
ReplyDelete"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity?"
ReplyDeleteI liked it in this scene from "Cradle Will Rock." Bill Murray can sing it without moving his lips...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggCCyDB8V8
Modified to Ooga-Boogas in deference to house style.
ReplyDeleteDone.
ReplyDelete"Buy", Comrade? What are you, some kind of lackey running dog capitalist tool?
ReplyDeleteNaw, Nixon tried to sell secrets to the North in the Silver War.
ReplyDeleteTAKE ME AWAYYYYY!
ReplyDeleteAwesome, dude! I had just seen that a sale came in and wondered, "which of the alicuratti was good enough to order?" We'll get it shipped out tomorrow - thanks!
ReplyDelete(apologies to the rest of you - I'll not sully the comments thread with talk of personal commerce again)
Tailgunner Ted even looks like him.
ReplyDeleteI would absolutely buy some but since we don't wear shoes in SoCal I don't need any.
ReplyDeleteAnd people call natives from my lands (Kentucky) backwards hillbillies.
ReplyDeleteHere are a hammer & sickle you may have.
ReplyDeleteHey!! We put on flip-flops for formal functions.
ReplyDeleteAncient Chinese comment, huh?
ReplyDeleteUnlike fascism, which means whatever it wants, whenever it wants.
ReplyDeleteIt wants what it wants but almost always gets the gallows.
(Joe McCarthy is [at least in my opinion] the worst American this side of Jefferson Davis, and for many of the same reasons.)
ReplyDeleteThat seems to cover it. I was going to suggest, "anything which threatens to result in a downward distribution of money or resources." Which means that Milton Friedman and everyone else who supported the Earned Income Tax Credit was a socialist. So Reason magazine is full of reds.
ReplyDeleteSteven Hayward is a hero. Sure, laugh now. Tomorrow, you and I might not be able to funnel millions of dollars toward scientists so that they'll parrot our favored conclusions either.
ReplyDeleteWell, my feelings would be best expressed in a monologue, from the made-for-TV movie "Long Island Lolita: The Amy Fisher Story".
ReplyDeleteAll the more reason for good conservatives to lock themselves in the bomb shelter with the canned goods and "2nd Amendment Hotties" magazines.
ReplyDeleteWhere does Jenny McCarthy fit into all this?
ReplyDelete[adjusts tinfoil hat]
[crinkle]
So he's still an amateur. Someone alert the International Olympic Committee.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k
ReplyDeletePlayed in the biopic by Victor Buono, because Al Gore is, you know, fat...
ReplyDeleteOnliest "scientist" (another engineer, natch) lining his pockets climate-wise seems to be ol' Willie Soon...
ReplyDeleteARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A CLIMATE SKEPTIC?
ReplyDeleteThe man who was talkin' to Hayward looked at Hayward an' he said: (sort of staring in desbelief) "You can't say that!" he said: "It doesn't, 'n you can't! I won't, 'n it don't It hasn't, it isn't, it even ain't, & it shouldn't...
Seriously, has exhuming the corpse of Irony and skullfucking it on the courthouse steps at noon become more or less a rightwing hobby? Or is there extra pay involved...
I always think of Dobie Gillis when I see those words. Although Maynard might be more appropriate.
ReplyDeleteOK, that was a lie, I always think of Zelda Gilroy...
That's because you all you do is sit in a tree playing the flute.
ReplyDeleteMy feelings can only be expressed through a modern interpretive dance performed to Jethro Tull's Aqualung in front of a screen showing the Hiroshima explosion on a repeating loop.
ReplyDeleteThen Hayward can't be a racist, see, because Obama is half a film screen.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the same is true of everybody else in the world.
ReplyDeleteRevisionist.
ReplyDeleteNot that hard ...
ReplyDeleteIsn't this just another one of their standard rhetorical tropes? That is, [Wingnut outrage du jour] is the functional equivalent of [slavery, genocide, Jim Crow, McCarthyism, whatever]. even though [slavery, genocide, Jim Crow, McCarthyism, whatever].were not that bad or even net positives and only stupid liberals ever get upset about them.
ReplyDeleteSchrodinger's Mc cat theism?
ReplyDeleteYay! Ed is back up!
ReplyDeleteNo, no, Joahn Goldberg has *consistently* defended the Spanish Inquisition.
ReplyDelete"It's all cool, man."
ReplyDeleteGod is at once both alive and dead.
ReplyDeleteAnd Pere Ubu.
ReplyDeleteToo many of us missing in action!
That's exactly what he's doing.
ReplyDeleteHe's been commenting recently on The Dissolve and the A.V. Club. (call me a snitch!)
Is there a god or no god. This damn box won't open and give me the secret decoder ring.
ReplyDeleteThey were laughing about the guy earlier on The Majority Report, saying that this "Harvard astrophysicist" isn't actually an astrophysicist who isn't actually at Harvard.
ReplyDelete"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!"
If it's David Hasselhof, it's gotta be National Socialism!
ReplyDeleteHuddled in a corner, covered in red spots, shrieking, "It's better this way!"
ReplyDeleteDNS issues, I think.
ReplyDeleteDidn't the Coulter Creature actually claim authorship of a book-type publication that was about this very thing?
ReplyDelete(I'm too lazy to provide a link-y thing to the Bezos site of book-type products.)
Aw, c'mon...where's your school spirit?
ReplyDeleteWitchcraft!
ReplyDeleteThe bastard!
ReplyDeleteI'm always amazed at the ability of conservatives to denounce all efforts against them as McCarthyism while simultaneously considering the real McCarthy a hero and public benefactor. How the fuck does that work?
ReplyDeleteLet's change that to "always", and keep it that way.
ReplyDeleteI've been saving that batch of popcorn for a long time, knowing how wonderful it is going to be.
ReplyDeleteDamn. I am stealing the shit outta this one. Without permission, but with attribution....
ReplyDelete/fires up new text document, copies comment, and link to same.
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Done
ReplyDeleteI'll dispense with the coy innuendo and cut to the chase: Will you marry Me?
ReplyDelete...
Congrats, and good luck.
ReplyDeleteAs I neither suffer from stink-o'-toe or do the facebook, that is all I got.
:-)
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I can hit the site at least...
ReplyDelete...
Nice site, good copy, cool logo.....
ReplyDeleteRock on...
You might have made a killing at CPAC.
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Also at LGM...
ReplyDelete/did not say that....droids, looking, not these...
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I'd feel better if UNEP's revolving door turned more slowly than those connecting the Hill and the Pentsgon to K Street.
ReplyDeleteFolks outside of Vermont may think it unseemly to install a former President of the Socialist International to run UN environmental regulation .
Silly rabbit: Al just wants to be Imperial Planetologist.
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