Monday, December 22, 2014

HOW BULLSHIT WORKS: AN ENDLESS SERIES.

Back when Gabby Giffords was shot and some liberals gave Sarah Palin and other conservatives a hard time about their incendiary rhetoric before the fact, I wrote this:
To be fair, we can imagine a reasonable answer to [these liberals’] argument. And we have to imagine it, as no one is actually making it. (Those who come closest are actually milquetoast liberals like the New York Times' Matt Bai who, in our current, debased political discourse, take the role once filled by moderate Republicans back when such creatures existed.) 
What we got instead was less reasonable, because once a connection had been suggested between the sainted Palin and an actual, horrific act of violence -- worse, a connection that such Americans as can remember back a few news cycles might actually grasp -- the necessity of severing that connection became stronger for rightbloggers than any faint impulses they might have had toward decorum, logic, or common sense. 
For example, when leftblogger Matthew Yglesias cited Congressnut Michele Bachmann's 2009 "armed and dangerous" comments as an example of violent rightwing lunacy, the Daily Caller's John Guardiano said it wasn't as bad as it sounded: "Bachmann clearly was using 'armed and dangerous' in a metaphorical and political, not literal and violent, sense," he said…
Etc. Now some of these same conservatives who defended themselves after the Giffords shooting are scapegoating like crazy after the murder of two cops in Brooklyn last weekend, claiming that protesters and officials who disputed the handling of the Eric Garner case are to blame for it. In fact, here’s Guardiano himself on Twitter: “Obama, Holder & de Blasio R to the mob today what Pontius Pilate was to the mob in Jesus’ time: weak-willed enablers.” Etc. etc.

It's tu quoque, I guess, but conservatives alway manage to be quoqueier than anyone else -- they whine such a lot about the flak they take (Jonah Goldberg even complained it was unfair to conservatives that Giffords continued to appear in public after her shooting) that it makes their viciousness when it's time to grandstand even more repulsive. Now they're circulating their clip of some knuckleheads shouting for “dead cops” at a New York protest and implying that all the tens of thousands who protested the Brown and Garner cases across the country were calling for assassinations.

Some of them put a lot of apparently wasted effort into trying to look reasonable -- like Jonathan S. Tobin at Commentary, who every few paragraphs assures us that "conservatives know very well that attempts to politicize violence on the part of the mentally ill is deeply unfair" and such like, but keeps spinning around and coming back with convoluted quasi-accusations such as this:
If there is any reproach today that should be laid at the feet of Obama, Holder, and de Blasio, it is that by helping to foster one false set of assumptions they have now left themselves vulnerable to questions about their own willingness to accept and exploit calumnies against the police and the justice system.
This grammatical cloverleaf is not improved when you read the whole thing and realize that by “false set of assumptions” Tobin means the idea that police sometimes treat black people unfairly. (He also says "narrative" about 70 times, which is wingnut shorthand for "who ya gonna believe, me or your own lying eyes?") More forthrightly absurd is New York Post harrumpher Bob McManus:
Nobody knows what was in the shooter’s mind, of course; happily, he relieved society of the ­responsibility of trying to find out with a well-placed bullet to his own head. 
But anybody who thinks he wasn’t emboldened by City Hall’s placidity in the face of nihilistic, bloodthirsty incantations is delusional.
“Wow, a liberal Democrat is in office!” cried the psycho career criminal; “Now’s my chance!”

At National ReviewJim Geraghty says hopefully that “police shootings will do for the anti-police movement what the Oklahoma City bombing did to the militia movement.” This will sound weird to ordinary people, but it’s perfect in a way: Conservatives tend to think of Oklahoma City as a propaganda put-up job to make them look bad — you seldom hear them talk about what a shame it was those people were killed, and mostly hear them explaining, as Byron York did a 2011 column, “How Clinton Exploited Oklahoma City For Political Gain.” That’s really how they think about the Brooklyn shootings — it’s not life and death to them, and certainly not right or wrong: It’s just a way to get back at people who made them look bad.

Another point: This shows how big a fraud the vaunted libertarian-conservative harmonic convergence really is. Conservative columnists recently had a brief libertarian-flavored fling of police criticism over the Mike Brown case -- remember National Review's "It’s Time for Conservatives to Stop Defending Police"? You won't be seeing anything like that for a while, now that their old lawn-order avatars Rudolph Giuliani and George Pataki are tugging the leash. Mutual respect between the governed and the government might be alright for a weekend fling, but when the party's over it's time to go back home to authoritarianism.

166 comments:

  1. I try to follow their reasoning, but my brain can only get so far before it completely snaps into little shards and then spontaneously combusts.

    Blowing up a federal building with women and children in it is bad only because it reflects poorly on rightwing extremists. However, calling for "Second Amendment solutions," being "armed and dangerous" to your political opponents, and putting gunsight reticles over congressional districts that happen to have Democrats is pure innocent fun because you can't blame the act of a deranged person on such violent rhetoric. And it's okay to not pay your grazing fees and to threaten to gun down federal agents in the course of their duties--and it's even great that people take potshots at government employees traveling on the public roads because freedom. But it's just beyond the pale that any Democrat might suggest that four centuries of racism has not ended and the deaths of unarmed Black men could somehow be connected to that--such talk CLEARLY provokes nothing but violence and shows a hatred for America and its government. Except that conservatives think that government should be drowned in the bathtub.

    Excuse me while I put this Halon fire extinguisher nozzle into my left ear . . .

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  2. Jay B.2:45 PM

    These are the exact same people who celebrated the rancher in an armed standoff with authorities because the rancher refused to pay taxes. They can now and forever go fuck themselves.

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  3. susanoftexas2:46 PM

    Their heart belong to Daddy.
    All of their histrionics depend on the belief that their authorities see them as members of the authority's tribe. They have no idea that the tribe packed up their tents, decamped for greener pastures, and left everyone else behind to slow down the Hittites.

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  4. susanoftexas2:48 PM

    It's not like anyone else wants to.

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  5. redoubtagain2:51 PM

    "Don't Tread On Me (Tread On That N****r Instead)"

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  6. Tread on a conservative an you'll probably have to throw your shoes away. Conservative is really hard to scrape off!

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  7. carolannie2:58 PM

    http://gawker.com/slimy-baltimore-fox-affiliate-caught-faking-kill-a-cop-1674040381
    Just FYI

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  8. To conservatives, its all about who gets shot. If the police-killer had shot up a first-grade class they wouldn't screech half as loud, or even screech at all, except to suggest all little kids should be armed with semiautomatics.

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  9. I think the yelping is especially frantic because white people with clear ties to RW-approved movements have ambushed and shot twice as many police officers as Saturday's fuckwit.

    I bet if you drop a mention of Eric Frein or Jerard and Amanda Miller in their comments, it will disappear toute de suite.

    The fact that he shot some woman who didn't want to know him AND was able to get his mitts on guns because of RW backing of the NRA are other things they don't want to talk about.

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  10. beejeez3:04 PM

    Not sure what to think of the NYPD rank and file piling on, except: Have fun cuddling up with your new GOP BFFs, fellas. You know what fans they are of unions and gun control.

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  11. DN Nation3:05 PM

    Tiresome jagoffs.

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  12. "People who criticize racist murdering cops are the real killers!"

    - the old ooga booga, part eleventy-million
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  13. Also, only wingnuts can defends us against the U.N.

    http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/04/18/bundysniper.jpg
    ~

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  14. ckc_not_kc3:17 PM

    ...wonder* what the RWNJ's would think of Robert Peel's 9 Principles of Policing?


    (*not really)

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  15. susanoftexas3:17 PM

    Also, S*M*E*R*S*H.

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  16. Oh Roy, Oh Roy, Oh Roy. thats all I've got. I literally can't even with this latest round of "news of the nuts." However, like most sane people I'd like to point out here, as I have elsewhere, that this guy first shot his girlfriend and then essentially tried to commit suicide by cop in a blaze of glory just like every other enraged guy in the last three weeks. There was a vet who killed four people to get at his ex wife and then himself. There was the "terrorist" in Australia who began with the burning murder of his wife and then moved on to massive resentment while he was out on bail for her murder. When we admit that angry men are dangerous and that first comes the rage against the women/children/bosses in their lives and then comes the acting out against ordinary people and, sometimes, the police and the state.

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  17. And it is completely unfair to note that participants in that stand-off later killed two police officers.

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  18. Really? You probably can't come up with a single example of that kind of crazy reasoning...oh, wait. Maybe you can.

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  19. Sorry, are you suggesting that men killing their women (or women they want to be their women) is abnormal?

    Shame on you.

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  20. I thought it was griimly hysterical that to show how common (and therefore terrifying) this kind of crime against the police was the newspaper had to reach all the way back to 1977 for a similar partner shooting in the NYPD. This shooting was horrible and I grieve for the families of the slain men but again and again we discover, if we look at the actual statistics, that being a police officer is not as dangerous as being in a blue collar job like logging or mining.

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  21. I'm hanging my head here. Imagine it since I can't put up a picture.

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  22. Dunno if it's abnormal, but it does seem a little counter-productive.

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  23. susanoftexas3:27 PM

    Eh, there's always more bitchez.

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  24. Not even as dangerous as taxi driver or late-night convenience store clerk, if memory serves.

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  25. It's dangerous, but a police officer is FAR more likely to die in a vehicle related incident, such as being hit while they're conducting a traffic stop.

    However, I imagine people might have something to say if officers started shooting at random cars.

    Or even just the black ones and brown.

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  26. DonBoy23:40 PM

    Thank you for pointing out that "narrative" has come to be used to mean "the obvious consequences of known facts, which we wish to condescendingly get you to stop noticing".

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  27. ohsopolite3:49 PM

    To say nothing of THRUSH!

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  28. Liberal's fault: Newtown, Oklahoma City, Eric Frein, Jerard and Amanda Miller, Cliven Bundy's clownshow shooting at government employees, Aurora, Virginia Tech, any number of other mass shootings over the last few years.

    Conservative's fault: Nothing. Ever. Indeed, no connection whatever between conservative policies, rhetoric, legislation, and subsequent acts of violence.

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  29. There's some horses that would like their protection.

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  30. C'mon, let's talk about the real enemy here: The next James Bond flick is called SPECTRE.


    (Assuming SONY can still produce anything.)

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  31. Thank god, because I hate white stuff coating my tongue.

    (Stop looking at me like that!)

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  32. Gracie Allen3:56 PM

    I understand why the SBA thugs and the GOP opportunists would try to pin these deaths on the protestors. A guilty conscience will cause even reasonable people to cast about for a scapegoat. The evidence in this case points directly the shooter being angry at the arrogance of police in flouting accountability in both cases. The police in NYC couldn't just take a win, they had to make public statements blaming the victim for his own murder. In Ferguson, the prosecutor not only threw the case against the murderer, but then basically admitted it in a broadcast interview. These are infuriating facts. It is tragic that the mentally ill killer in Brooklyn chose to take his rage out on two uninvolved police officers, but his motivation was entirely rooted in the flagrant audacity of the authorities who chose to flaunt their power in the faces of an outraged public. Perhaps a legitimate investigation might not have halted the series of events that led to the deaths of the Brooklyn police officers, but I suspect that if Darrin Wilson or Daniel Pantaleo had actually faced some level of justice, this might have been averted.

    The blame for the deaths of Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos finally belongs with Ismaaiyl Brinsley, they are a direct result of the actions and statements of Patrick Lynch and Bob McCulloch, and the murderous actions of Darrin Wilson and Daniel Pantaleo.

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  33. Meanwhile, on the receiving end:
    EXCLUSIVE: In 179 fatalities involving on-duty NYPD cops in 15 years, only 3 cases led to indictments — and just 1 conviction
    A Daily News analysis of NYPD-involved deaths starts with the 1999 slaying of unarmed Amadou Diallo in a hail of bullets in the Bronx and ends with last month’s shooting death of Akai Gurley in a Brooklyn stairwell. Where race was known, 86% were black or Hispanic.

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  34. the actions and statements of lying perjury-encouraging malfeasant shithole needs-to-be-disbarred Bob McCulloch

    Just to make it clear.

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  35. Rugosa3:59 PM

    Megan McArdle suggested that children should be taught to rush a shooter. Don't have time to look up a cite right now.

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  36. Pffft, how could people get irate about numbers like that.

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  37. And he stopped to shoot the woman in Baltimore on his way to NY because ... uh ... Huh.

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  38. Like Mike Brown didn't?

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  39. by “false set of assumptions” Tobin means the idea that police sometimes treat black people unfairly.

    and "treat unfairly" often = "murder with no consequences".

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  40. DocAmazing4:08 PM

    Out my way, we've even had some cops pipe up and tell their blue brethren hey, ix-nay on issing-off-pay the iberals-lay, 'cuz contract negotiations are just around the corner.

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  41. Rarely do you see a Libertarian encouraging Darwinism in such a direct manner. Which lucky kid will be the one to make it to safety? Someone's going to beat the odds; you could be winner!

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  42. Ted the slacker4:09 PM

    Is it just me hoping that De Blasio goes full dirty hippy and after this shooting aims for stronger gun control?

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  43. Just remember who's going to be the first ones to deal with the militias when they get around to not being tread on.

    Fuck, with the number of cops killed in the last few years by ammosexual sovruns, you'd think they'd think before opening their ignint pieholes.

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  44. Gracie Allen4:12 PM

    No, this happened primarily because Brinsley was mentally disturbed and violent, but anger picks a path based on environment and experience. The anger Brinsley expressed so tragically was based on the experience of police arrogance and impunity and an environment that basically told black people to suck it if they don't like it.

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  45. Because he said did it to avenge Garner and Brown, we have to take his word for it. It couldn't be that like other people who kill, he just decided to kill some police officers and latched on to a handy excuse.

    Glad we cleared that up.

    But remind me: How did this path take him over Thompson?

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  46. Sorry, should have had my sarcasm tags on!

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  47. synykyl4:29 PM

    Yep. Imagine what Bratton's reaction would be if someone suggested that the killings were a 'spinoff' of decades of police racism and violence against minorities.

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  48. But I think that they are using the ramped up hostility as part of the contract negotiations. Not to be sexist, but because its such a useful cliche, they are acting like the wronged wife who has caught her husband cheating and uses it as a way of getting a diamond necklace out of it. (Sorry, just watched "How to marry a millionaire" and "gentlemen prefer blondes.")

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  49. People have been choosing the police as a way of committing public, valorized, suicide for a long time. White guys do it all the fucking time. Are they, too, acting out of rage because of "police arrogance and impunity" or just because being killed by the police is an easy sort of notoreity and less lonely than just shooting yourself in the head to escape your own demons?

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  50. Not only do I hope de Blasio blames it all on CT's lax gun laws but I also want him to bust the police union. I'm pro union in general but this shit has to stop--people should be fired for the kind of incendiary rhetoric and ass covering, testilying, and misuse of authority that are simply common practice in the modern NYPD.

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  51. Jay B.4:36 PM

    That's just you playing politics.

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  52. Helmut Monotreme4:39 PM

    Hey, another "Lone wolf". Another murder curiously devoid of context, who probably would have been just as deadly with a halberd or bec-de-corbin if he couldn't have gotten his hands on a gun. Another disturbed person who if he hadn't been set off by the long overdue publicity surrounding consequence-free police killings, would probably been set off by fluoridation or the concept of bicameral legislatures. Another tragedy that will be kept deliberately meaningless by people protecting their sacred cows. So nothing will get done about access to firearms, access to long term mental health treatment, or violence against women, or consequence-free police killings. Nope, the only people left to blame are those people that point out that cops get to kill people free from any kind of consequence, especially if the victims are African American.

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  53. billcinsd4:43 PM

    just as deadly with a halberd or bec-de-corbin

    you ignore the glaive-guisarme at your peril

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  54. susanoftexas4:48 PM

    You rang?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/17/there-s-little-we-can-do-to-prevent-another-massacre.html

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  55. or the feared fauchard-fork!

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  56. susanoftexas4:53 PM

    My favorite reaction to McArdle's suggestion:

    Mark Kleiman:

    There’s something about Megan McArdle that drives some of my fellow Blue-team pundits crazy. She’s way smarter, way saner, far more nuanced in her thinking, and a much better writer than most of her Red-team colleagues. She doesn’t fawn on the rich or despise the poor. Her ideas about how to deal with failure fit no ideological mold, and imply policy positions that won’t make her any friends at Cato. But the Rage Against the McArdle seems to run deep in Left Blogistan.

    http://www.samefacts.com/2012/12/everything-else/the-rage-against-the-mcardle/

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  57. billcinsd4:54 PM

    no you see, if I can't have her nobody should. just like if I can't have good working conditions, a pension etc., nobody should. It's all of a piece when one has given up every piece of their mind

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  58. Didn't D'vorced D'souza say liberals were responsible for 9/11 attacks because we walked around gay married in short skirts?

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  59. http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2014/12/how-bullshit-works-endless-series.html#comment-1755088913

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  60. Correction: African-American shooters can't be lone wolves. They're always part of the dreaded BLACK PACK and only act on the orders of Supreme High Commander Al Sharpton X.

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  61. RobotSlave5:12 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8



    Can't blame you for not following Roy's link, or watching the video (from NYC, not Baltimore)


    Of course, if you're familiar with contemporary anarchist discourse, you'll also be familiar with the claim that every single person chanting behind that black-and-red flag is an agent provocateur planted by the cops.


    The misdirection isn't the claim that there are leftist radicals who chant "kill cops" or similar (there certainly are); the lie is the claim that these militant anarchist buffoons have any interest in civil rights activism, beyond the opportunity it affords them to stage their make-believe revolutions every week-end.

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  62. In yesterday's press conference, the NYPD chief of detectives noted that the shooter was motivated by anti-government sentiments:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS1IWrYCw90

    He's all yours, righties!

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  63. Tbone5:27 PM

    IOKIYAR, now and forever on any and every possible subject. Just forget they've spent the last 3 decades talking about their right to armed insurrection.

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  64. "I'll take the windshield-piercing atl-atl for up-close work, please."

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  65. davdoodles5:33 PM

    Or a Sgian-dubh in the right hand and a Shillelagh in the left (for any half-Scottish/half-Irish members of the Terrifying Nubian Hive-Swarm!).
    .

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  66. John Wesley Hardin5:35 PM

    Right on the goddamned nose. If only that asshole had shot up a room full of school kids instead, we could put this tragedy behind us.

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  67. When pigs get wings!

    Too soon?

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  68. It was either D'fendant D'Souza or Ramen Ponuru. But, yeah--they attacked us for our freedoms for our insane foreign policy because they didn't like our clothes or the fact that we don't stone the gays.

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  69. way smarter, way saner, far more nuanced

    Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?

    Are we talking the same McMegan here?

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  70. We'd HAVE to.

    Wouldn't want to upset anyone, after all.

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  71. Sgian-dubh

    Gesundheit!

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  72. #notallenragedguys

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  73. NUH HUH 'cause the Left was all anti-gummint when Bush was in office and so... um...

    uh...

    (aha) OCCUPY WALL STREET! Q.E.D.!

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  74. To be fair, most suicide-by-cop incidents involve someone waving a (usually) empty gun around. In many instances, the rationale for choosing suicide by cop is that the dead person could reason that they were not killing themselves--it would be the poor cop who get snookered into doing the actual killing. Most of these people really don't want to hurt anyone else; they just want to die.

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  75. Funny thing is, if you follow their rhetoric to its logical conclusion, that's exactly where ButthurtGate is headed, 'cause wimmins is drivin' 'em to violence.

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  76. Men are so fucking hormonal.

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  77. Remember: Twenty-two (22) dead elementary school children is NOT something to be politicized or even discussed except in terms of how it means we need more guns for more people with fewer restrictions.

    However, two (2) dead policemen MUST be used for political gain, no matter what the consequences might be.

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  78. susanoftexas5:51 PM

    Yep. Another funny aspect was that she does stuff at Cato all the time.
    Back in the day McArdle had a lot of male admirers. Eventually she drove off everyone who cared about accuracy.

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  79. satch6:07 PM

    And who can forget this statement of who was REALLY responsible for Hurricane Katrina...

    http://evesapple.blogspot.com/2005/08/i-do-not-make-this-shit-up.html

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  80. Nobody does "See What You Made Me Do" like conservatives.


    Relevant.

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  81. Only if they're shot by a Black Person. If a White Guy had done the deed- crickets.

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  82. davdoodles6:36 PM

    Holy mackerel, I never knew that guy was such a dick.
    Incredible really, how, no matter how successful, rich, and famous a white, 21st century, first-world male* is, he is still capable of sneering rabidly at less-fortunate people, and demanding that every skerrick of his largely un-earned privelege be maintained by force of arms.
    * ie the luckiest beneficiary of life's lottery ever to have lived.
    .

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  83. He, like Dennis Miller, shat his pants on 9/11/2001 and never changed his drawers, thereafter.

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  84. The wimmenz and the blackx.

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  85. These days the authorities and their police really really really hate & fear any kind of demonstration. Consider their over reaction to the non violent "Occupy" movement: they made it violent. Just as they're trying to make the non-violent protests (protestors with their hands in the air!) into violent occasions. I'd like to think its because protestors scare the shit out of 'em, but I think its just kneejerk stimulus-response.

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  86. Why you gotta always bring up BUSH, HUH????

    # blame Jimmy Carter for the mortgage meltdown again
    # Clinton stole the W keys
    # WOODROW WILSON!!!
    # Byrd was in the KKK

    And that's our right-wing rap-up for today.
    ~

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  87. It's also partly that they've been brainwashed trained that protestors are all violent anarchists and near-terrorists.

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  88. TGuerrant7:00 PM

    Plus hippies never invite the Young Republicans to their orgies, once again proving that conservatives are the sole victims of discrimination in America.

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  89. Stinky, unchanged 9-11-01 underoos are a Wingnut Badger of Courage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54
    ~

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  90. Mark A. Denner7:09 PM

    Grammatical cloverleaf. I'm stealing that for my own use...

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  91. TGuerrant7:16 PM

    One difference in on-the-job fatalities: Lumberjacks and miners know they face death from their employers' lousy safety practices, but not from murderous strangers setting out to kill lumberjacks or miners because they're lumberjacks or miners.

    Cops do have to live with the reality that their job choice makes them targets and that the moment may come, not in a law enforcement operation of any kind but, like with Igor Soldo and Alyn Beck, when they're just grabbing a quick lunch.

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  92. Still pretty selfish, IMO. Cops are notoriously bad shots when pissing their pants. They could shoot your neighbors several houses away while trying to smoke YOU.

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  93. Band name: Terrifying Nubian Hive-Swarm!
    (Exclamation point optional.)

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  94. TGuerrant7:26 PM

    There is that thrilling Midsomer Murders episode where a very white guy is killed with his antique trebuchet lobbing bottles from his wine cellar at him. Given the popularity of the show, I'm surprised copy cat killings haven't decimated America's gated communities already. Have we long suffered silently from a national trebuchet shortage, perhaps?

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  95. Giant Monster Gamera7:27 PM

    Oh come on, everyone knows that conservatives are the most tread on of everybody.

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  96. TGuerrant7:30 PM

    Stinking badger don't care.

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  97. Read one of the M.M. novels. Detective Sg't. Troy was more proudly working-class & resentful than made the telly.

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  98. tigrismus7:33 PM

    Placed just inside the salad fork.

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  99. TGuerrant7:35 PM

    #BENGHAZI

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  100. Won't matter; no O2 to deplete between their ears to begin w/.

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  101. glennisw7:36 PM

    same conservatives who defended themselves after the Giffords shooting are scapegoating like crazy after the murder of two cops in Brooklyn last weekend, claiming that protesters and officials who disputed the handling of the Eric Garner case are to blame for it.
    They aren't even bothering with silly little details like citing actual quotes. In their world, protesters, the Mayor, and the President incited the killings with fantasy words conservatives are making up out of whole cloth.

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  102. Giant Monster Gamera7:39 PM

    "...We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do..." - Karl Rove

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  103. TGuerrant7:44 PM

    Ah-ha! I always suspected he was the real murderer in all those cases. Framed a bunch of toffs, did he? See? Even when they don't walk around with guns, cops is a danger to us ordinary folk.

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  104. Politics & ideology all the way down.

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  105. Obama used his satanic neo-linguistic programming to make this happen without even telling someone to do it! He's THAT evil.

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  106. Yep, that's what Casting decided. It was supposed to be Brooks's part, but after the war went bad he went off the rails and abandoned content altogether, so they were in a tight spot, and she looked like she could handle it.

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  107. montag28:35 PM

    Ah, well, the Young Republicans wouldn't go, even if they were invited. Free love isn't nearly as stimulating as date rape.

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  108. shocktreatment8:49 PM

    Maybe with some sexual harassment beforehand, like foreplay...

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  109. All the racist profiling stuff aside, being a cop really is a tremendously difficult job. It's one of the only occupations where nearly everyone you encounter is lying to you. Whether it's criminals or victims, they all lie--criminals to evade, victims to enhance their victimization or because they're just freaked by their encounter with crime. Toss in the idea that some asshole you encounter might decide to shoot you dead just because and it's a pretty tough occupation. Any wonder why cops tend to hang only with other cops?

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  110. M. Krebs9:25 PM

    If I call correctly, Woods was a math major in college (not that there's anything wrong with that), so he fits the Derbyshire mould.

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  111. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:35 PM

    But anybody who thinks he wasn’t emboldened by City Hall’s placidity in
    the face of nihilistic, bloodthirsty incantations is delusional.


    And the opportunity to verify/refute that disappeared with that well-placed bullet, which, I'll hazard a truly wild-assed guess, is why McManus is happy...

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  112. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:39 PM

    Mutual respect between the governed and the government might be alright
    for a weekend fling, but when the party's over it's time to go back home
    to authoritarianism.


    That one would draw blood, if they had any...

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  113. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:44 PM

    police shootings will do for the anti-police movement what the Oklahoma City bombing did to the militia movement.

    I was originally gonna snark "Yeah, diddly squat", but then I remembered the Bundy Bunch, which would never have happened, if Geraghty's statement had any actual basis in reality, so I'll edit that to "Yeah, and things may be about to get more...interesting..."

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  114. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:47 PM

    I suspected for a time--and listening to Limbaugh for a couple years convinced me--that Conservatives inhabit their own fantasy universe which, for reasons Einstein never explained, somehow overlaps ours.

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  115. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:51 PM

    # Clinton stole the W keys


    That was some really silly shit. You watch, though, if a Republican wins in '16, and doesn't gut the White House to the studs and rafters for fumigating and rebuilding, some--or several--in the RWNM will suggest it.

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  116. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person9:55 PM

    the shooter was motivated by anti-government sentiments:


    An unheard-of attitude for a career criminal. I don't buy it...

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  117. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:00 PM

    OK, so what's Adam Baldwin's excuse?

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  118. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:03 PM

    Start with that jackoff in Ferguson...

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  119. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:05 PM

    It's either that or admit the kids in Grant park and at Kent State didn't deserve it...

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  120. Sure there's a difference, but its not really what you think. For the most part cops aren't targets because people fear to attack them. And they act with impunity in ways that most people are forbidden to act because they don't expect consequences. Meanwhile other people, like miners,, loggers, and fishermen can expect to be severely injured or die from a series of typical, everyday, accidents (disasters, foul weather, accidents, violence from other workers or management).

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  121. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:08 PM

    They end up with their bladders and pistols both on empty...

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  122. It's one of the only occupations where nearly everyone you encounter is lying to you.

    So is being Dr. House.

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  123. Which is what I'm afraid of.

    "Interesting times".

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  124. But didn't we basically establish the other day that the gLibertatians are, indeed, authoritarians, regardless of what they claim?

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  125. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:15 PM

    And nobody knows the whole suicide-by-cop scenario than the cops themselves, especially those in a big city. To deny that, and blame everybody on the planet *except* the shooter is beyond lunacy if you're a cop. I imagine a lot of them know this, but I doubt we'll hear much from them.

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  126. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:15 PM

    First, do no harm...

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  127. And that's our right-wing crap-up for today.

    FTFY

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  128. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person10:35 PM

    Oh, open Channel D, Scotty...

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  129. My brother-in-law was one of the latter, I think, he was in a shooters stance and told the Kern Country deputies that he would shoot at the count of 10, they had tried to set up a perimeter and knock him down with bean bags(apparently there is a weapon that hurls them with enough momentum to knock someone off of their feet), but all they could do was shoot him when he got to 8. He had been a bit snappish to me before he and my sister separated, but you know how you don't want to make waves, and it was more of a tone thing as well. He also used to try to irritate me by homophobic talk about a favorite actor of mine, but I was able to handle that without any problems. I later found out that not only had he psychologically abused my sister, and that he had told all sorts of lies like how she had been pregnant and lost the baby, I forget how.

    As someone who had one of these things happen to a family member, it's a very sobering look at the demons that remain invisible unti

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  130. One of the KCSD bullets went through the house and through the room of my b-i-ls girlfriends' son who was living with them. It was almost a miracle that nobody else got shot.

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  131. About as likely as you are to hear from soldiers about what really happens in a combat zone to civilians who "get in the way".

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  132. AGoodQuestion11:19 PM

    And if you don't know, just ask one.

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  133. AGoodQuestion11:24 PM

    She doesn’t fawn on the rich or despise the poor.
    Fawning? You're soaking in it.

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  134. AGoodQuestion11:29 PM

    Yes, he tried not looking at or thinking about our bare gay-married legs, but they were just so blatant he couldn't help but stare. In disgust!

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  135. AGoodQuestion11:30 PM

    Amen, brother.

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  136. Jeeze, shoulda throwed him off the balcony when we were on it smoking mere mos. before 11 Sep't. 2001.


    (Hey, I'm from Hollywood. Can't pass up a name/photo-dropping opportunity like this!)

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  137. AGoodQuestion11:41 PM

    I think Baldwin's always talked like a raging pan-phobic grandpa. 9/11 might have enhanced it a little, but not much.

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  138. AGoodQuestion11:44 PM

    # Clinton stole the W keys
    Thanks for reminding us that planting bullshit persecution myths was quite literally the first thing the Bushies did after the inauguration.

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  139. So gay's legs can gay-marry each other?

    If I'm straight, then can my legs marry each other or woul that be gay-leg-marrying because they're the same gender (I hope)?

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  140. way smarter, way saner, far more nuanced


    Yeah, nothing enrages us liberals as much nuance and sane smarts! BwaaaHaaaHaaaa!

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  141. billcinsd1:15 AM

    well to be fair, the comparison was to other right bloggers, so it's not like she has to be smart, sane or nuanced to be way more than her competitors

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  142. billcinsd1:18 AM

    gotta watch out for that third leg, that's where it all goes purple

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  143. billcinsd1:20 AM

    really, look at Ross Douthat and Chunky Reese Witherspoon

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  144. billcinsd1:29 AM

    ... is for suckers and dead blues

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  145. smut clyde5:07 AM

    But anybody who thinks he wasn’t emboldened by City Hall’s placidity in
    the face of nihilistic, bloodthirsty incantations is delusional.


    Ah, "the lack of warlust from libruls is emboldening the enemy". Haven't heard that for a while. I was wondering when someone would bring out "emboldening".

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  146. Halloween_Jack10:29 AM

    I get the feeling that he just doesn't like people very much, and the rise of the professional wingnuttery class just gave him something to latch onto. Even before the Gamergate bullshit (he's done some voice acting for videogames, but so has Martin Sheen), he was framing his participation in a charity bike ride for wounded veterans as a shaming of Them Librul Hollywood Types, as if he were the first celebrity to give a shit about the troops. (Oddly, there seems to have been some careful and chronic scrubbing of his political stuff from his Wikipedia page.) Also, in his "Random Roles" interview for the AV Club, he mentions that while he was filming Full Metal Jacket (the closest he's ever been to actually being in the military, although he cites "Animal Mother" in the HuffPo link above), he stayed in the maid's room in whatever apartment he and the other actors were crashing in so that he could get away from them.

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  147. Halloween_Jack10:33 AM

    It's sad when one starts to think of "Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" as the optimistic future.

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  148. LeaskH10:57 AM

    I shall not get too bull goose looney here but this all reminds me of my history studies of some ancient European county, say 1920-1940. And how power was handed to the fear-mongers. Jeebus.

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  149. StringOnAStick11:40 AM

    Being jacked up on adrenaline & testosterone with a healthy dose of authoritarianism all day has interesting consequences, rather unlike being jacked up on the manly-man-ness of certain, less armed occupations. I've worked with And known people in both, and there is objective difference between people who are getting off on their position of authority, and people who get off on how manly/tough their job is.

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  150. StringOnAStick11:42 AM

    Seriously, they use the idea that everyone has a gun now to justify why they need all that leftover military hardware, and yet their support of the NRA is huge; you know, the PAC making sure those guns are out there, and pushing hard for more.

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  151. J Neo Marvin12:23 PM

    I remember when Ice T and his band Body Count released a metaphorical and political song called "Cop Killer" in the 90s, and nobody made any kind of fuss at all about it.

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  152. bekabot1:32 PM

    "Jonah Goldberg even complained it was unfair to conservatives that Giffords continued to appear in public after her shooting."

    Well, of course he did. Because she'd just been shot, and people who have been shot are supposed to become dead, or something. And if people have been shot (fair and square) and are supposed to have become dead, they shouldn't be wandering around in public like nothing happened; that's just inconsiderate. (You ought to take other people's feelings into account, right? Because, if you've been shot and are supposed to be dead, then you can't be looking your best, and that's just to start out with. But some boors out there just don't understand good manners.)

    See also: Malala Yousafzai.

    (It's different if the person who has been shot is a cartoon character who can dive off a cliff and turn into an accordion who walks around and plays a few bars of music before he straightens out, or if the victim is Ronald Reagan. But these distinctions are so clear in JonahWorld that they don't need to be mentioned; so, of course, it doesn't occur to Jonah to mention them.)

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  153. fauchard-fork!IYKWIMAITYD.

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  154. a Shillelagh in the leftIYKWIMAITYD.

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  155. davdoodles3:31 PM

    Also too with those wounded in America's Endless Wars. I've actually heard right-wing barbecue gibber that alleged that body armor is a left-wing plot to increase the number of non-dead casualties, in order to undermine the "resolve" of the "folks back home".

    Better dead heroes than legless, head-injured stinky homeless beggars cluttering up the streets and scaring the tourists. And, needless to say, giving them the full measure of resources they need and have earned is entirely off the table.

    And even death itself must be sanitized to the point it's unrecognizable. No part of a vet's sacrifice must be borne by those who shriek loudest for their heroic slaughter.

    "But why should we hear about body bags and deaths, and how many, what
    day it's gonna happen, and how many this or that or what do you suppose?
    Or, I mean, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind
    on something like that...?"
    - Barbara Bush

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  156. But of course!

    It's important to remember the proper placement of these things...

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  157. Hey... yinz from Pittsburgh?

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  158. bekabot1:37 PM

    "So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that...?"



    ...Because your son is the Commander in Chief and 'cuz it's a position you moved heaven and earth to get him?...but naw, forget about it, never mind.


    (even Emily Litella would roll her eyes)

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  159. What do you mean? McCulloch's star witness saw Mike Brown put his head down and bull rush Darrin Wilson.

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    Tour du lich Malaysia

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  160. JoseAmerica8:20 PM

    It's as if conservatives don't realize that so-called "2nd Amendment solutions" necessarily involve killing cops.


    You can't bitch about abuse of power by the gov't and then turn around and worship the mechanism by which the gov't enacts that power.

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  161. try to follow their reasoning, but my brain can only get so far before
    it completely snaps into little shards and then spontaneously combusts.
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