Then Helliker went from crank to nut:
Now, a generational battle is raging in endurance athletics. Old-timers are suggesting that performance-related apathy among young amateur athletes helps explain why America hasn't won an Olympic marathon medal since 2004...No wonder Putin laughs at us: It's like the first half of Rocky IV all over again.
Some observers see larger and scarier implications in the declining competitiveness of young endurance athletes. "This is emblematic of the state of America's competitiveness, and should be of concern to us all," Toni Reavis, a veteran running commentator, wrote in a blog post this week entitled "Dumbing Down, Slowing Down."
But instead of fighting back, the young increasingly are thumbing their nose at the very concept of racing.Not that! Next they'll be thumbing their nose at game shows and fairground attractions.
Among some, it simply isn't cool, an idea hilariously illustrated in a 2007 YouTube Video called the Hipster Olympics. In those Games, contestants do anything to avoid crossing the finish line—drink beer, lounge in the grass, surf the Web.
Yet something remotely akin to that is happening...Yes, since some mass-attendance endurance events don't emphasize winning as much as they did during the days of the Space Race and the Cold War, America's runners are just sort of jogging diffidently anymore as they take selfies and talk in fruity voices about artisanal pickles. And the impact goes beyond sports:
Likening to communism events that promote "hand-holding over competition," [some jock] said, "How well is that everybody-gets-a-trophy mentality working in our schools?"I had all kinds of reactions to this, mostly incoherent swears, but the best gloss on it is actually contained in the first cluster of comments to the article: A guy points out that America actually still performs brilliantly in athletic competitions (duh), and someone comes in and says,
But Kevin isn't saying that US runners are no longer competitive at the elite level. He's saying that the competitiveness doesn't extend down through the ranks of newbie runners. More people are running, but most of the newcomers take it much less seriously than they did a generation ago. That's incontrovertible.Like a sane person who lives on the planet Earth, the original poster says, so what? And another person says that sane response "demonstrates the thesis of the story above. Hedonism outranks competitiveness and turns a race into a party."
Imagine what the Founding Fathers would think of us reducing the dignity of a footrace.
So if you're not a serious runner, but you'd like to improve yourself a bit and train for and participate in, say, your local marathon, and you make it all the way through the twenty-six point two fucking miles but you didn't leave it all on the track like the original Marathoner, you're part of what's wrong with America today, slacker punk.
You know where this is coming from: The same well of desperation that recently gave us the claim that leftist teachers are strangling the competitive spirit of young males by making them play the feminizing game of freeze tag. As it becomes clearer to these idiots that a large number and possibly a majority of Americans have figured out that the economy is fucked, and anyone offering a thumbs-up, can-do, elbow-grease solution that, oh by the way, involves cutting entitlements is obviously a grifter who wants to steal what's left of your savings, the grifters are getting pissed. So they drop the smiley-sunshine pitch and hector us that we don't have the stuff, that they're wasting their time talking to the likes of you, and stalk off to find some fresh suckers.
And they're running out of those.
"But Kevin isn't saying that US runners are no longer competitive at the
ReplyDeleteelite level. He's saying that the competitiveness doesn't extend down
through the ranks of newbie runners."
This is idiotic on its face. Where does "Kevin" (or his explainer) think the elite runners start out? "Oh, sure, the NFL athletes are much stronger, leaner, faster, and smarter than in the 1950s. But how many fifth graders today are willing to court concussions to get that ball across the line?"
Things all just went to hell when those killjoys dropped jousting, bear-baiting, and dueling from the games.
ReplyDeleteThe arc of the wingnut universe is long, but it bends toward gibbering about sapping our vital bodily fluids.
ReplyDelete"Likening to communism events that promote "hand-holding over competition,"
ReplyDeleteThis completely outrageous , and I won't stand or sit still for it!! I will take on any athlete, from anywhere in the world, in hand-holding competition! I will easily beat them in all areas: appropriateness of the initial hand-holding moment, positive values, like affection and loyalty, transmitted through subtle grip-changes, or if you want to go hard-core, I challenge them in finger-lacing, and nibbling.
And do it without breaking a palm-sweat.
No. I believe that we in this country have an unending supply of suckers as P.T. Barnum did not say there is one born every minute.
ReplyDeleteYou know, sometimes (mostly betimes, or even eftsoon) I think those wing-nuts blame American malaise on declining athletic competitive spirit instead of blaming pot-smoking, just to piss me off!
ReplyDeleteShorter: Kids are not getting off my lawn fast enough.
ReplyDeleteI wish you guys could just accept that Reagen made senility a very trendy lifestyle. No, I wouldn't call it a lifestyle, it's fast on its way to becoming our defining national character.
ReplyDeleteShit, wait til these people find about the Holocaust known as Hands Across America!
ReplyDelete...anyone offering a thumbs-up, can-do, elbow-grease solution that, oh by the way, involves cutting entitlements is obviously a grifter who wants to steal what's left of your savings
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It's nice to know one can still find "The Beatles" at the core of every cultural corruption.
ReplyDeleteWell, goddammit, that pretty much renders the rest of this thread unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteAs soon as somebody un-freeze-tags you, get off my lawn.
ReplyDelete"But how many fifth graders today are willing to court concussions to get that ball across the line?"
ReplyDeleteMy best friend in high school, Danny, told me about the time that the all state running running back broke into the open and was coming right at him, pads lowered. Danny was the cornerback and he was he last guy who had a chance to stop him. He took one look at the guy, and semi-intentionally tripped over his own feet and avoided getting destroyed by this guy who outweighed him by 30 lbs. Honestly, I think he made a smart decision, even though it cost the team a touchdown.
And this was back in the 70s. I think the point is that non-elite athletes everywhere make decisions to value their own well being over destroying themselves just for the sake of blind competitiveness. This is nothing new.
And besides, I have a commitment to the environment (involuntary, of course) and that is why I find running, and bicycle riding, so offensive. What an epic waste of energy. We're all supposed to save energy, and then you see people in offensive costumes, flagrantly wasting the scarcest form of it.
ReplyDeleteI always feel very self-righteous when I pass them on the road.
I had plans to become a competitive marathon runner, but was recently scared off by warnings of over-hydration related deaths.
ReplyDeleteHow can America be number one if it isn't number one in everything?
ReplyDeleteI have a shocking book for Mr. Helliker, The GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS.
Shirley this about beer-drinking champions?
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It's always about awesome they are and how everyone else just sucks compared to them. So trite, so boring, so predictable. lol
ReplyDeleteThis is intended to be ironic, I hope. If not, I hope it's intended to be very, very dumb.
ReplyDeleteIt's also not at all necessary to have high-intensity competitiveness at lower levels. It's a myth. You can train in a relaxed, fun way as a kid and still become a pro. 95% of professional success is about talent, plan and simple. All the "eye of the tiger" crap is mostly just crap.
ReplyDeleteThere are some talented athletes who aren't competitive enough to make it professionally, but the problem isn't that they weren't forced to be competitive as children. It's a temperamental thing.
If you want to revive the sense of dedication and competitiveness which motivated Americans during the Cold War and the Space Race, bring back the first-rate nation which waged both of them successfully. Bring back a successful and vibrant middle-class. Bring back that sector of society which is responsible for dreaming up the projects and not for funding them. Bring back that sector of society which gives rise to almost all of art and science. Stop operating out of conviction that the only way you'll ever be safe is if your neighbors are either broke and desperate or dead. Get rid of this dumb oligarchy and let people aspire to goals other than not being jobless and/or hungry and/or kicked out of their house. Let them have something worth running toward and you'll see whether they can run or not, damn it.
ReplyDeleteThis is crazy. As someone who does endurance races, and whose father ran endurance races, the number of people competing today is multiples of what it was a decade or two ago. There's a lottery to get into the NYC Marathon such that even with about 50,000 people running you still only have a 1/3 chance of getting in via lottery. *Of course* some of these new runners will be less competitive about it, but you still have that core of highly competitive athletes running too.
ReplyDeleteThe editorial page writers don't read the rest of the WSJ. Why should anyone else!
ReplyDeleteMy fifth-grade nephew is currently on "brain rest" after taking a brutal hit in Pop Warner football. He was rather jazzed to learn this meant no homework, but his excitement rather dimmed when he found out it meant no video games, either.
ReplyDeleteBut, really, should any fifth-grader have to be transported to the ER strapped to a backboard for the sake of a game?
"Kevin" is right. I have a Millenial friend who has run almost 20 marathons and not won a single one. He also was all-state in several sports in high school but couldn't be bothered to turn pro in ANY of them. These kids are worthless. If we sent them to storm Anzio on D-Day with that attitude, today we'd all be Russian and living in a city called Hitlergrad.
ReplyDeleteI got into the 2012 NYC Marathon through the lottery and started training for it (first marathon, rather slow). I wound up with a toe injury before Sandy canceled the whole shebang; I've got a guaranteed spot for next year's race due to the cancellation. It was completely a fluke that I got in.
ReplyDeleteSo if you're not a serious runner, but you'd like to improve yourself a bit and train for and participate in, say, your local marathon, and you make it all the way through the twenty-six point two fucking miles but you didn't leave it all on the track like the original Marathoner, you're part of what's wrong with America today, slacker punk.
Having trained enough for a marathon that I could have had a hope of finishing (I got up to 17 miles in my training schedule before a toe injury forced me out), I can tell you that it takes an enormous amount of training and dedication to get to the point where you can even drag your fat ass around for six hours at the back of the field. It took over my life for several months and I still have problems with that toe that I'm trying to correct. I really hate this kind of attitude; it's exactly this kind of shit that makes it hard for someone like me to really think of myself as an athlete rather than as a non-athlete who just happened to have spent six months working up to running major distances.
Also, if he wonders why Americans aren't winning these things anymore, it's because the Kenyans are just better at it.
"Likening to communism events that promote "hand-holding over
ReplyDeletecompetition," Desena said, "How well is that everybody-gets-a-trophy
mentality working in our schools?"
After I got through pounding my head on the desk at the utter stupidity of this statement, I was moved to wonder... has Desena never heard of East Germany? The Soviet Union? China? EACH of those countries had national sports programs that featured country wide scouting expeditions for talent, and when they discovered it, they took those children from their parents (who were more likely than not happy to offer them up for the privileges they could get as the parents of elite athletes), shipped them off to state-run training facilities, and made them train whether they felt like it or not. Steroids were rampant, interprogram competition was ruthless, and failure was punished extravagantly. In a recent NYT magazine piece on Chinese tennis star Li Na, she relates how she was selected for the tennis program (she was an exceptional athlete who was deemed to have the wrong body type for badminton, which was her sport of choice), rigorously trained, NEVER praised, and who finally had to defect or quit from burnout. Can THIS be the "communism" that Desena was yammering about.? Christ, this guy is an idiot!
The Wall Street Journal: boldly keeping it's finger on the pulse of six-year-old comedy videos
ReplyDeleteNew around here?
ReplyDeleteBring back the 90% top marginal tax rate!
ReplyDeleteWeirdly, on the exact other side of the social-activity scale, the same thing is happening. The huge explosion in nerd culture and specifically interest in superheroes has led to large numbers of new people showing up at comic conventions and online forums, most of them having been pulled into fandom without having passed through the obsessive-nerd-trivia gantlet. And a certain selection of older nerds is just furious that there are people out there passing themselves off as Batman fans without even knowing the difference between Neil Adams and Jim Aparo, or who claim to "love" the Avengers and don't even know their Eternals from their Celestials.
ReplyDeleteThese nerds put in the hard work of memorizing the entire Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, and then these johnny-come-latelys are blowing them off, choosing to have fun and engage the material in their own way. The thought of someone engaging in nerd hobbies and having fun with them without going full-on Wikipedia or magpie collector makes them react like...like those robots in "I, Mudd" when Kirk and Spock feed them lines like "I am lying to you now".
Yes. And that backboard should be carried by young, endurance-runners. --Kevin Helliker
ReplyDeleteAh, but what about palm shaving? I suspect Helliker and his posse could easily best you at that one.
ReplyDeleteWhippersnappers. Why Back in my day, we had to run the 100 yd dash with no feet. And if you lost, you didn't get 'em back!
ReplyDeleteAlso, if he wonders why Americans aren't winning these things anymore, it's because the Kenyans are just better at it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you'd think the last two presidential elections would have taught him that.
Kenyan Exceptionalism would make a great bumper sticker!
ReplyDeleteWell...as JFK pointed out, most of the people at that income level (because he was at that income level) didn't actually pay 90% of their income in taxes, not only because there were a bunch of loopholes which existed to keep them from having to do it and not only because they'd often opt to take their money as something other than "income". There were still further refinements in the game. But the 90% top marginal tax rate, whether it was an effective tax rate or not (it wasn't) remains today as a clue. It shows which group of people were thought to be important around the middle of the last century. It shows which group of people were thought to be the drivers of progress. It shows that the economists of that time viewed the capacity to grow dinner, and the capacity to eat dinner, to be as important (if not more so) than the capacity to pay for dinner. It's an illustration in little of midcentury priorities.
ReplyDeleteThe priorities have changed, and if Americans no longer choose to knock themselves out the way they used to I imagine it's because they've been told, repeatedly, that they're cut of inferior cloth and that they can't change that. People act according to the information they're given. My belief is that if the tune were to change the dance would change as well, and though a higher marginal tax rate might be part of the rejiggering the problem isn't that rich people don't shell out enough money. It's more that they've got no reason to want a modern world.
Well...as JFK pointed out, most of the people at that income level
ReplyDelete(because he was at that income level) didn't actually pay 90% of their
income in taxes
Well...you *do* know what a marginal tax rate is, right?
If he's not talking about the elite level, why does he mention Olympic gold medals?
ReplyDeleteSure: where'd I go wrong? I was talking about the tax applied to income, not wealth.
ReplyDeleteAnd if there was one thing Communists failed at, it was winning athletic events.
ReplyDeleteYou went wrong in assuming that I didn't know what the marginal rate is and that I thought it meant a tax on 90% of income rather than 90% on the top tier of income.
ReplyDeleteI think there is no quarrel here, I am certain that we're both talking about the same thing, and I embrace the possibility that I expressed myself badly. What I meant was, give or take: "Very rich people in JFK's day were highly taxed, officially, but they took advantage of a number of expedients to insure that they didn't pay all they 'owed'. That having been said, they paid a good deal more than they do now. See: 'progressive taxation'." That's all. For any and all misunderstandings I apologize and for any goofs I abase myself.
ReplyDeleteIt's even worse than that. Some of those n00bs are girls.
ReplyDeleteJesus H. Christ, Roy, thanks a whole bunch for drawing my attention to a right-wing whiner propounding on a subject I actually have some knowledge about. Do any of you, perchance, know what it costs to set yourself up with a nice time-trial bicycle suitable for triathalons? Four thousand dollars is an absolute minimum. Six is better. And if you want to really be competitive, like gray-haired Kevin, I hope you have somewhere between eight and ten grand burning a hole in your pocket. Those super-duper cycling shoes? Three hundred a pair for the top of the line carbon-fiber reinforced ones. Add at least another thousand for the shorts, jerseys, gloves, helmet and whatnot you'll need just for training.
ReplyDeleteAnd the consumables! Tires at $80 each. Chains at $50---and if you're putting in the kind of miles you need to in order to compete at the level he's whining about, you're going through four or five a year.
I wonder if Kevin has stopped to think that if there's 47% of the country that doesn't earn enough money to even pay income tax, that's pretty much 47% of the country that would have to save up for a decade to buy his fuckin' bicycle. Maybe that's why you're not seeing them next to you on the starting line, sport.
He's just incoherent, that's all.
ReplyDeleteKevin Helliker is apparently the WSJ's chief SUCK IT UP SUCK IT UP AND WALK IT OFF correspondent. That piece is about how Helliker turned out super-great because his dad wouldn't express affection unlike the pussies who raise children today.
ReplyDeleteDuring my 1960s boyhood, Father's Day was an awkward occasion. It required my brothers and me to express love to a man who considered such talk girlish, and who knew we feared more than liked him. Only for the sake of Mom did Dad and his five boys put on a Father's Day act.
So you can see where Helliker may consider abject misery as the highest form of existence.
[Some wingnut jock who founded Spartan Race] also contends that eliminating timing chips and results pages is a sure way to increase profit—while shielding one's customers' names from competitors. For Spartan, the cost of tracking and posting performances is significant, he says. "If you can pull the wool over your customers' eyes and convince them that communism is better, you can drop at least $40,000 to your bottom line every race," he said.
ReplyDeleteShorter wingnut: FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Communism IS better!
My goodness, this fellow actually breaks a sweat! When he wants to that is. What discipline. Now me, I do construction work in Florida for a living. Imagine how very much admiration I've got for sportsmen like this Helliker who are all proud of themselves because they exert themselves physically every now and then, accomplishing exactly fuck-all for their effort!
ReplyDeleteG-g-g-girls?!?!
ReplyDeleteGiven the change in population, it's probably more like a half dozen a minute now. They are 27% of the population after all.
ReplyDeleteRelatedly, amateur athletics was a gimmick developed by the British upper class to keep them from getting their asses kicked by poor kids with a sponsor...
ReplyDeleteI've read a lot of athlete biographies and autobiographies, and they should all pretty much have a chapter called "My Cold, Distant Father".
ReplyDeleteMy dad was a football coach- one of those relentless crazy sorts. During a scrimmage one of his players died of a ruptured liver on the field.
ReplyDeleteGranted, the potential for fatal accidents occurring during bullshit masculinity displays is always high, but they were always higher with him in charge.
A contemplative person might have changed direction at that point, especially one offered complete absolution by the school system and the community (sadly, I'm afraid, because the kid was black, and it was the South). but he remained convinced of the virtues of team-based athletic competition (primarily football) over pretty much any other use of one's time. When the Reagan theocracy got going, he felt it justified his entire worldview.
I always liked Jello Biafra's take on athletes. There are people who set particular goals for themselves and work toward them, and there are people who hang out with coach and kiss his ass. It's one of those admittedly gross oversimplifications that will save you a lot of trouble in life.
I'm sorry to say that while that was once true, post-Murdoch the news in the WSJ is regularly sullied by editorial-page crap. I dropped my subscription after more than 35 years of enthusiastic readership.
ReplyDeleteThe mid-1900's were at time when wealth shifted ever so slightly to the working class in part due to things like unions & manufacturing. Then the 60's came along & the non-white-men working class gained a measurable sliver of wealth, and all that went with it. All that built up wealth. It was just too tempting to leave in the hands of the workers...Soon union management, pension funds, health care, home ownership, food and fuel costs and even racial parity fell to the greed of the Capital class. It's fascinating to see things like race, sex/gender & religion as they have been called into play recently, but what I want to know is was the original build up "allowed by" or "fought for against the will of" the Capitalists?
ReplyDeleteAlso a funk band name.
ReplyDeleteI don't know much about the state of distance running, but I coach fencing and fencing in the U.S. is more competitive than it ever was, at every level and for every age group.
ReplyDeleteIf I was as much of an asshole as Helliker, I might write an article claiming that proved something important, but positive, about our national character.
I used to say that if you want useful advice on leadership, the last people you should ask are football coaches and generals.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to amend that to football coaches, generals and Kevin Helliker.
"How well is that everybody-gets-a-trophy mentality working in our schools?"
ReplyDeleteI dunno; ask the conservatives who scream like toddlers if their disproven fantasies on science, geopolitics, gender essentialism and economics don't get equal time with ideas from people with knowledge of the subject that have been proven in the real world.
"More people are running, but most of the newcomers take it much less
seriously than they did a generation ago. That's incontrovertible."
How DARE you settle for 327th when with just an extra hour's training a day you could finish 316th?
Even assuming we bought into the basic premise, why is marathon running the end all and be all?
ReplyDeleteAt the last Summer Olympic games, the USA won the most gold medals, the most silver medals and by far the most medals overall, and came within three of winning the most bronze medals too.
At the last Winter Olympic games, where the USA does not historically dominate as much, the USA won the most overall medals by far, and the most sliver medals by far, and the most bronze medals. It "lost" in the gold medal count only to host Canada and perennial winter sports superpower Germany.
And, it seems to me, the USA has actually gotten better at some international sports in which it traditionally did not do so well, such as the sliding events in the Winter Olympics and archery in the Summer Olympics. Americans have done exceptionally well lately in World Cup and World Championship Alpine Skiing. And even the USA soccer team has improved considerably over the last twenty years or so.
If there is one thing that the USA is good at on the international stage, besides starting wars, it is sports.
Put a sock in it, Kevin.
Also, aside from Special Olympics (for obvious reasons), has anyone ever seen an "everybody gets a trophy" sporting event in a public school? I sure as hell haven't, and there's no shortage of sporting events in this town, from pee-wees all the way through high school.
ReplyDeleteIs this another myth that St Ronnie started, along with the story about the Welfare Queens in Cadillacs?
"Next they'll be thumbing their nose at game shows and fairground attractions."
ReplyDeleteThe young'uns dare not thumb their noses at Fairground Attraction! (or at least this single anyway)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txapREGWHp0
I hope that Phil Knight doesn't read this. He might question His Nike doubling revenue in the last decade.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is with all the new gear, all the new iPhone type nike+ apps , tracking your runs etc running is more fun than ever!
Old man get off MY lawn.
I think it was both...there were 19th- and 20th-century manufacturers who understood the benefits of having an educated labor pool which could support itself at something better than starvation rates. They understood that those were the kind of workers who could work better if not longer and who would make fewer mistakes, because they wouldn't always be undermined by hunger and tiredness. Henry Ford had the brainwave that it would be a smart move on his part to pay his laborers enough to afford his stuff. Theodore Roosevelt spoke for men like him. Not everyone in the same class was willing to along with this plan, though. There was plenty of opposition to it, and not just among Captain of Industry types.
ReplyDeleteI think the final difference was made by the might of the working class, and (though I'm not a Marxist) I mean that the way it sounds. The sheer power of the labor movement circa about 1900 is something unimaginable today. Labor unionists in those days had schools, summer camps, festivals, parades, special events, propaganda parties, conventions galore, libraries, theater programs, supper clubs, literary clubs, literary figures, Presidential candidates, and special arrangements with both the criminal world and the police. Ad infinitum. Of course they didn't get everything they wanted and they didn't have everything their own way. But they paved the way for the influence they were later to exercise (IMO) which came into its fullest flower about 45 or 50 years later, after the actual force of their movement (again IMO) had waned.
"More people are running, but most of the newcomers take it much less seriously than they did a generation ago. That's incontrovertible."
ReplyDeleteThe sheer incoherence of this sentence is astounding. So some percentage of these new runners take it just as seriously as those from a generation ago. Does that mean the overall number of serious competitors has increased? How does this match the thesis of the article?
30 years commecial constr, Houston (retired). Sing it, brother...
ReplyDeleteSome observers see larger and scarier implications in the declining competitiveness of young endurance athletes. "This is emblematic of the state of America's competitiveness, and should be of concern to us all,"
ReplyDeleteI blame it on Kenyan usurpers and I demand to see the long form race results!
The young'uns dare not thumb their noses at Fairground Attraction!
ReplyDeleteYoung hearts are foolish, they make such mistakes!
But it's incontrovertible! You can't argue with that!
ReplyDeleteThis guy is so fucking stupid. You can't just look at median marathon results without considering HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMPETING. Sure, it looks like the average runner is slower when you add lots of new runners who are slower. However, that 1000th runner could very easily be faster today than during the boomer years, even with the slower median time. So today slow people are running instead of doing nothing...and that's a sign of failure?
ReplyDeleteHas this guy seen the local 8-yr old travel baseball team? What was he doing when he was 8? I guarantee not playing summer travel baseball. Does he really want to put the off-season workout regimen of Dr. J against Kobe? Or college football or NFL players? How many baseball players who were 30 in 1983 had conditioning regimens like the average big leaguer today? A handful? (I'd say Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan for starters, but that yielded far above average longevity).
Most Americans are working too many hours to be able to devote more time to amateur athletics. It's kinda hard to block out enough time for a seventeen mile practice run when you are working two jobs just to pay for rent and food.
ReplyDeleteThe Soviet Union? China? EACH of those countries had national sports programs that featured country wide scouting expeditions for talent, and when they discovered it, they took those children from their parents
ReplyDeletePenn & Teller's Magic and Mystery Tour DVD (the magic portion of the P&T continuum, not the dingbat Libertarian part) has a segment on China. Un. Fucking. Believable. I won't try to describe it, except to note there was a young boy, like 6 or 7, with the hair worn off a spot on his hairline from constant practice catching and balancing a box (urn? ball?) on his head. This was in some sort of circus performers' training/concentration camp. You gotta see it to believe it.
performance-related apathy among young amateur athletes helps explain why America hasn't won an Olympic marathon medal since 2004
ReplyDeleteNumber of American medal winners in the marathon since 1924: four. (In the first 28 years of the modern Olympics America won six, when men were men and Kenya was a colony.) Two by Frank Shorter in 1972 and 1976, one by Joan Benoit in 1984, one by Deena Kastor in 2004. By historical standards, our nine-year-and-counting deficit is... pretty fucking good.
I blame the math-related apathy of boomers, who were attacked by Sputnik and are scared of science, or whatever the hell happened before I cared, otherwise known as the official timeframe of good-enough journalism.
The 1983 boston marathon the linked author fetishizes, had 655 female participants. This year's had 9985. And for male starters, there were 13357, well over double.
ReplyDeleteAlso, running may not be as popular a sport. Maybe young kids who might have been long distance runners got into a more interesting sport - soccer.
There's also the sheer amount of time that you have to put in to be competitive in an endurance sport, which in turn requires that you only have to work one job (or not at all), and that you're not too tired out from that to do all that running, swimming and cycling. I think that one of the reasons why weightlifting-centered programs are gaining popularity--aside from some evidence that they're better for overall fitness and losing weight than cardio-centered programs--is that they simply take less time.
ReplyDeleteI think that a certain amount of the overt ostracizing and one-upmanship comes from internalizing the oppressor, the bullied becoming bullies themselves. See, for example, Mike Krahulik of Penny Arcade.
ReplyDeleteOh, lord, don't even get me started on the whole "fake geek girl" bullshit.
ReplyDeletePlease allow me the honor of giving the RealClearPolitics/Townhall response to this:
ReplyDelete"If they'd quit voting for economy-wrecking socialists and vote Republican instead, the job market would be BOOMING and they'd have the time and money to run or hire someone to run for them."
You missed the best part, where "not-running-yerself-to-death-in-an-exhibition-match-IS-COMMUNISM" guy further accuses the people who are skipping results pages etc of doing it "to increase profits".
ReplyDeleteBecause there's nothing more Commie than changing your business in the name of cash, amirite?
Jebus, no. Geeks have been even more embarrassing than usual in recent years over that stuff.
ReplyDeleteWow, it's as if the younguns looked at all those boomers wrecking their fucking knees from decades of pounding the pavement and said, hey, maybe this isn't the best thing ever, huh? Or there's always the triathlete who shat herself on national TV a few yards from the finish line. Eye of the tiger, champ!
ReplyDeleteIs it really two decades since "Slacker" came out?
ReplyDeleteThat was a victory shit, mister, and don't you forget it!
ReplyDeleteWow. I stopped paying attention to PA back when the home page became the news story page instead of the comic - because the comic wouldn't make any sense until after you'd read the news story. So it's been a while. I had no idea they'd become such a force.
ReplyDeleteOr that Krahulik was such an asshole. Disappointing.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that this towering pile of horseshit gets printed in WSJ editorial pages, because it's nominally about American competitiveness, a WSJ editorial fetish (all the while quietly rooting for fixing the game, monopoly, and ruining the country through entrenched wealth), but, dear me, what on earth does triathlon competition have to do with anything but triathlon competition?
ReplyDeleteThis is Cold War thinking, and it is as wrong now as it was then. Does anyone say that Jonas Salk would have been a better scientist if only America had won more Olympic marathon medals? No. However, there are probably a helluva lot more Americans walking--and running--because of the polio vaccine.
Yes, I know, Helliker wants his comparisons to stand as grand metaphor for the country at large, but that's just plain false. This "sports as metaphor for life" shit has always been used for errant purposes, among them, preparation for war. Taking a very long view, the things that have actually improved quality of life did not come from treating life as competitive sport. In fact, there's some evidence that our most recent financial meltdown was due in large part to precisely that intra-bank and inter-bank competitive desire to fuck the public out of more and more of its hard-earned money. That's the "competitive urge" writ large--fuck everybody else by any means necessary. And that's why the WSJ puts this moron on its pages.
I have one of Madonna's pubic hairs I'd like to sell you.
ReplyDeleteWhat's that you say? Madonna is in her mid-50s and probably hasn't had pubic hair for 15 years? Damn, I guess not everything increases in value if you hold it long enough.
I wish to spend a long time sapping the vital bodily fluids of this comment.
ReplyDeleteEvery Y in the country has a weight room, and every town with more than about 3000 people in it has a gym. Poke on Craigslist for a month and buy all the free weights you ever wanted, too. Not everyone has access to water that's swimmable year-round, or streets and neighborhoods where it's easy and safe to run. If Mr. Helliker was any more blind to his privileges he'd start walking into walls.
ReplyDeleteAbout twenty years ago, some clever guy invented a home-use hypobaric chamber to reproduce high-altitude training benefits. The clever part was that simply by sleeping in the thing the athlete could effectively live at 6000 feet and build extra red blood cells, while still holding down that job in LA or Portland. It was, naturally, marketed to triathletes. About $15,000 if I recall correctly. Eventually banned, I think.
They have an office-sized version that you work in to use in preparing for an Mt. Everest climb, it simulates a much higher elevation than what you're talking about. AFAICR, it was written about in the New Yorker a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteQ.E.D.
ReplyDeletesince some mass-attendance endurance events don't emphasize winning as
ReplyDeletemuch as they did during the days of the Space Race and the Cold War
A lot of Cold War rhetoric presented the conflict in Athens / Sparta terms -- a clash between Athenian values of freedom, open inquiry, domesticity versus the Spartan culture of austerity and barrack-bound regimentation.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Cold Warriors found that they were disappointed because they had really preferred those Spartan values all along.
Georges Perec is (always) relevant:
ReplyDeleteIn the second part, the fictional narrative (apparently based on a story written by Perec at the age of thirteen) recounts the organisation of
an Olympian Island called W, in which life revolves around sport and competition. While the island might at first seem a Utopia, successive chapters reveal the arbitrary and cruel rules that govern the lives of the athletes.
I dunno... has anyone asked Victor Davis Hanson what HE thinks?
ReplyDeleteI'd like to clarify (pushes up glasses) that you're talking about geek culture, rather than nerd culture.
ReplyDeleteNerd culture would be science lectures, book circles, shit like that. Geeks memorize the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, nerds memorize "Pocket Ref". Geeks get obsessive about knowing the pros and cons of different models of camera. Nerds get obsessive about knowing how a camera works.
POE, OPE
ReplyDeleteI have heard that XeckyGilchrist does not avoid the company of others, but he denies them his essence.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, the first thing I thought when I read this article was "haha, this guy sounds just like a goddamn grognard complaining about the kids and their Nintendos".
ReplyDeleteOtherwise we will never know his views.
ReplyDeleteSo the guy has adopted a sporting specialty distinguished from other sports only by its exclusivity, and uses it as an excuse to criticise the proles who are not taking it so seriously?
ReplyDeleteImma guessing that he's right-wing.
Come see the bDSm inherent in the comment thread.
ReplyDeleteThe First Lady does hate you, you know. Stay off her lawn.
ReplyDeleteYou're trying to hijack this thread into the dildo vaulting tangent, aren't you?
ReplyDeleteand there are people who hang out with coach and kiss his ass
ReplyDelete. . .and become coaches themselves.
Yes. And I still mourn for Column 3.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should; perhaps the only time you'll see him running--briefly, just before the heart attack--is to catch a stolen chainsaw.
ReplyDeleteUsing one to train for Everest actually makes sense, as it's a lot cheaper than moving to Leadville, CO for a year, and it might save your life. The one for triathletes was just letting some dick podiatrist buy another half-percentage point advantage over a dick dentist.
ReplyDeleteThat last part is only half a joke. The Ironman field is pretty much split between professional athletes and people with enough money to let them train like professional athletes.
Dildos don't care if your palms are hirsute or shaven.
ReplyDeleteIs that like a hard-top?
ReplyDeleteGet rid of this dumb oligarchy and let people aspire to goals other than not being jobless and/or hungry and/or kicked out of their house.
ReplyDeleteOh, well now you're just talking crazy.
And I've always liked the Firesign Theatre's gloss on that: there's a seeker born every minute, too.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he should be on "brain rest".
ReplyDeleteWow, thanks for that link. Like Xecky I left PA behind ages ago, but that Wired article was still an eye-opener.
ReplyDeleteI used to say that while Scott Kurtz of PVP was a complete jerk who always played himself up as a nice guy, the PA guys were nice guys who played themselves up as complete jerks. That second part no longer seems to be true. God knows the endless whining and mewling of fanboys could make anyone snap, but Krahulik can't hide behind that excuse for the stuff described in the article.
Being on permanent "brain rest" is a prerequisite for writing for the WSJ op-ed page.
ReplyDeleteMore people are running, but most of the newcomers take it much less seriously than they did a generation ago.
ReplyDeleteJesus Christ.
Let's say a generation ago 100 people started running per year as newcomers and 90 of them took it seriously.
Let's say that now 1000 people started running per year as new comers and 90 of them took it seriously.
What, exactly, is the problem with this scenario that it deserves an editorial column to screed on about?
I swear to Grod that a good-sized chunk of the problems we have in this country boil down to simple basic innumeracy on the part of the vast majority of the public.
There isn't any problem with it. The WSJ just wants to justify income inequality, and Helliker's pathetically inept sports analogy was the best they could come up with at publication time.
ReplyDeleteSo much more personal than a poster. (It wasn't a pubic hair, IIRC, it managed to be even worse.)
ReplyDeleteAnytime I read/hear an argument that uses something as a grand metaphor for why the country is failing and fucking well deserves it too for being too girly/commie/not-worshipful-enough-of-the-sacred-Invisible-Hand, I know I am engaged with Bircherite thinking*.
ReplyDelete* for various values of "thinking", including null.
I wonder if this guy is feeling like the sacred honor of his chosen elite sport (and as he practices it, elitist) is being sullied by the rise of such things as the Muddy Buddy type citizen races and charity events. Races that provide the opportunity for non-elite people to have fun exerting themselves in contrived situations, with a side dish of a sense of accomplishment when it is all over. You know, like any sport, though in this case designed specifically to appeal to people who aren't into this guy's idea of the proper Spartan athletic ideal. Because to him, unless you are going at it like he does, you don't deserve much other that utter contempt from a "real" athlete like himself.
ReplyDeleteSome folks never outgrow high school jockdom I guess, and some of the rest of us are still fucking sick of it.
So basically, you're trained to fight, and Mr H is trained to run away.
ReplyDeleteJust think of how garment-rendingly disappointing that generation of losers between 1984 and 2004 must have been.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention those inguinal hernias.
ReplyDeleteLuxury. When I were a lad, we had to run three-legged races with only two legs. And we were grateful for it.
ReplyDeleteIYKWIMAITYD.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone say that Jonas Salk would have been a better scientist if only America had won more Olympic marathon medals?
ReplyDeleteHey, if Salk had finished a few triathalons with decent times, we'd probably have an HIV vaccine right now.
"Hey, I know who I am; do you?"
ReplyDelete— Blaine to Antoine, Men on Films
{ducks}
I actually think of fencing as playing more than fighting. It's not that I don't fence to win, it's just that I have a more sensible attitude about athletics than Mr. Helliker does ;-)
ReplyDeleteYou know, I totally misremembered that scene - it was a Madonna pap smear. In defense of my failing memory, it had two Madonna pubes in it, though one of them had been stolen.
ReplyDeleteNow I'm flashing on that high school gym teacher who lectured me on my bad attitude after I did 10 pull-ups (enough to pass the test) and stopped, when I probably could have done 13 if I'd really tried.
ReplyDeleteIf I was as much of an asshole as Helliker, I might write an article
ReplyDeleteclaiming that that proved the opposite of what he says about our
national character.
"Curses! Foiled again!"
--Kevin Helliker
Yeah, but I'll bet the winners thanked other people.
ReplyDeleteI love it that the woman selling "a piece of the real Madonna" is one of the drummers of the Butthole Surfers.
ReplyDeleteAnd gimme ONE MORE FOR JESUS, MAGGOT111!!!!
ReplyDeleteI think you mean "What? What's that?"
ReplyDelete“RUN! RUN! RUN!”
ReplyDeleteBoomed the jogtard.
“And when you do it,
Run REALLY HARD!”
“But we can’t!”
We all pant,
“Because the wood,
You can see,
Makes me lean like a tree,
Plus, it’s unpleasant to pee.”
I thought the very fascinating thing abou tthat article, which turned my stomach, was that Krahulik is making the same argument that tucker carlson made, didn't he?, when he argued that punching down at feminists was really a form of rebellion and freedom fighting because feminists and liberals were "in power." Krahulic is arguing that attacking rape victims, demeaning and issueing rape threats to people who disagree with him, is actually anti bullying, that he is being bullied by people saying "guys, don't do that."
ReplyDeleteBelow are the numbers of U.S. Marathon medals in every Olympics we have participated in. Anyone who claims to see a meaningful pattern in this data is lying or crazy.
ReplyDeleteNote: If you are tempted to suggest this data shows that our nation's competitive spirit was especially strong in the early 1900's, please go look up the number of participants in those early Olympics before making an ass of yourself ;-)
1896 0
1900 0
1904 3
1908 2
1912 1
1916 0
1920 0
1924 1
1928 0
1932 0
1936 0
1948 0
1952 0
1956 0
1960 0
1964 0
1968 0
1972 1
1976 1
1984 1
1988 0
1992 0
1996 0
2000 0
2004 2
2008 0
2012 0
Of course, among those Spartan values was forced pederasty, which sends thrills down the Conservatives' legs.
ReplyDeleteAha, thanks. Here I'd forgotten about the pubes - so between us we got it right.
ReplyDeleteWoody Allen: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym.
ReplyDeleteSad but true.
ReplyDeleteYes, except there's no top to raise, and when it rains you're obliged to flip off the clouds and scream "fuck you!"
ReplyDelete"I had to walk to school. In my bare feet. In the snow. And it was uphill both ways."
ReplyDelete-dlj.