Sunday, August 11, 2013

NEW VOICE COLUMN UP...

...about some of the rightbloggers' recent foreign policy discussions. Basically they think Obama's a wimp as well as a bully and is too busy murdering American diplomats in Benghazi to incinerate Muslims like he's supposed to.

97 comments:

  1. DocAmazing11:10 PM

    Leave it to the rightbloggers to point out how unforgivably rudely we've treated our traditional allies, the Russians, just like we previously mistreated our fast friends in the Third Reich.

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  2. J Neo Marvin11:31 PM

    I can't believe they're actually going with "Obama plays golf" as a punchline.

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  3. BigHank5311:42 PM

    Oddly enough, they'd be fine with it if he was a caddy, wouldn't they?

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  4. Tinyhermaphrodite, Esq.12:02 AM

    The Benghazi Impeach Skree is totally gonna be the name of my next band.

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  5. Fats Durston12:29 AM

    On Aug. 4, farmers across California simply closed based on intelligence reports of planned chainsaw thefts. The shutdown of 21 grapevine facilities was the most extensive in recent American history.

    Such preemptive measures are no doubt sober and judicious. Yet if we shut down our entire California vineyards on the threat of illegal immigrant thieves, what will we do when more anti-American burglary arises? Should we close more farms for more days, or hide in the garage, clutching our copper wire?

    Instead, the gangbangers are getting their second wind, as they interpret our whiny columns as weakness -- or, more likely, simple confusion. They increasingly do not seem to fear farmer retaliation for any planned vandalism. Instead, Mexican cholos expect farmers to adopt their new pill-bug mode of shutting down and curling up until danger passes.

    Our enemies have grounds for such cockiness. All I do is bitch about Mexifornia and the end of civilization, just like Rome. Don't worry, this time I'm not gonna reference some goddamn legion general whose name connotes something that you aren't going to get. I'll just note that the thieves continue to roam free, just like Visigoths on the Dacian frontier. Rumors abound that they have been seen publicly in Fresno.

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  6. hellslittlestangel12:42 AM

    While strolling down my street yesterday, I had my legs blown off in an al Qaeda terror attack, then a bunch of foreigners came by and pointed at me and laughed. I had just listened to a news report that a terrorist attack was imminent three streets over from mine. This is the fourth time this has happened to me this summer. Way to go, Obama.

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  7. Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.12:47 AM

    Given that this happened four times you must have an excellent supply of new legs. Can you share the source?

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  8. A wimp and a bully, a lazy bum and the biggest threat to the country... man, the wingnuts have some serious cognitive dissonance going on in their little heads.

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  9. hellslittlestangel12:59 AM

    Is it me, or is Putin in need of a mansierre?

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  10. Yet if we shut down our entire California vineyards on the threat of illegal immigrant thieves, what will we do when more anti-American burglary arises?


    The thievery has gotten so bad that, during last year's harvest, every single grape was removed from the vines by undocumented Mexicans.

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  11. sharculese1:44 AM

    They've been playing that one for years. The fact that Obama doesn't spend %100 of the time on the job is somehow different than when Bush took vacations because, 'hey look, a bird.'

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  12. montag21:48 AM

    That little survey, Roy, pretty much convinces me that all the people who said that the end of the Mayan calendar would signal a rebirth of human consciousness and peace were probably wrong. Now, maybe it's just too early to tell for sure, but, so far, doesn't look promising.


    If only because the desperate baying for blood by Messrs. French and Walsh is definitely an avatar of the last age that we can afford to lose. It's pointless to ask why they refuse to learn from history, because they won't and never will.


    The rest of the compendium seems to be just more typical rubber-room ramblings, but it does illustrate one thing--if one can twist something, anything, into a means of finding fault with Obama--even if it requires ignoring the roots of the fault in the previous administration, one has earned one's rightblogger stripes. I'd bet a steak dinner to a doughnut that if Obama had gone ahead and met with Putin after expressing displeasure over Russia's decision on Snowden, the wingnutz would be salivating in anticipation of invoking Chamberlain. It's the Legos approach to history. They can always find enough pieces in the giant economy-sized box of historical bits that will snap together to make even a rough approximation of a straw man, and although the end result often looks more like an outhouse, it doesn't matter to them. They've managed to cobble something together that suits their purposes.

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  13. sharculese1:53 AM

    At a course they frequent? Oh, hell no.


    I'm on vacation with the family this week, and just today discovered that my youngest brother, who caddies at a very prestigious, very white course* (and who was already kind of a racist to begin with), has been absorbing this crap nonstop from his clients.


    Him: So it doesn't bother you that Obama let four Americans die at Benghazi?


    Me: Well... it's more complicated than that, and obviously, Obama didn't know those four people would die, but how is that worse than when GWB passed up on actionable intelligence and let 3,000 people die.


    Him: Oh, so you're saying Bush was behind 9/11?


    My dad (bless his heart) said he's gonna sit him down and start trying to educate him about shit. I hope it works but I'm not holding my breath.


    *let's just say that he has more than once caddied for a certain asshole who runs an operation that sells fried chicken to bigots, and that said asshole is a fucking cheapskate.

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  14. sharculese1:59 AM

    Positive note: my middle brother, who we worried would go down that path, seems not to have. Today I told him that support for gay rights was at the minimum basic standard of human decency and his was response 'yeah, that sounds about right.'

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  15. Tinyhermaphrodite, Esq2:03 AM

    If all else fails chain him up in the attic and feed him fishheads.

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  16. I've got a bag full of 'em. Not all of them exactly "new", but ripe ones ARE on special.

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  17. They're starting to sound just as bloodthirsty and insane as they did in the early 2000s. Sure, It's always been there, but wow is it making a comeback. And you always gotta love the: "The enemy is always about to exterminate us so any measure we take is justified!/The enemy is weak and stupid, victory is surely ours!" blend.

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  18. redoubt6:51 AM

    So does that make FDR a "premature anti-fascist"?

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  19. Derelict6:59 AM

    "Now watch this drive!"
    Some other president in the wake of the most deadly attacks on American soil.

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  20. Derelict7:03 AM

    And yet, there was President John McCain on the TV machine only yesterday complaining that the Kenyan Usurper was not making plans for the simultaneous invasions and occupations of Russia, Syria, and Iran.
    Freedom isn't free, but apparently endless global war is.

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  21. fraser7:20 AM

    Or if he were, I don't know, clearing brush.

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  22. One doesn't "tithe" to caddies!

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  23. =>The "much more simple" explanation, he said, was that the President sought to "put an end to this rising tide of concern about civil liberties" that rightbloggers have recently and suddenly adopted regarding NSA.<=


    Some of us on the left, Roy, have the same very same concerns we had back when Bush and Cheney were abusing civil liberties in the name of our "war on terror". And this wouldn't be the first time Obama has cribbed from their cheat sheet.
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  24. Jeffrey_Kramer8:13 AM

    Later French's colleague Michael Walsh
    went further, not only cheering Hirsohima and Nagasaki, but also that
    "every major city in Germany was destroyed and both Hamburg and Dresden
    were incinerated, the bodies of their inhabitants literally blown apart
    by the force of the bonfire's incendiary winds: In Dresden, human heads
    rained down from the sky like bowling balls after the bodies of the
    victims evaporated in the flames..."



    I know this is maybe not the first or most natural reaction to an extended, manic, genocidal rant which sounds very much like it was performed while eating a live cat from the head down, but... "human heads rained down from the sky like bowling balls"? When has Walsh observed bowling balls rain down from the sky?

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  25. Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq8:31 AM

    "Oh, so you're saying Bush was behind 9/11?"

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  26. Fats Durston8:35 AM

    It was actually an entry in the Bulwer-Lytton contest, Josef-Mengele genre.

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  27. How does bowling balls rain from the sky? Where they falling from a cargo plane or did god have a kidney stone?
    I want to yell at this idiot that the purpose of a simile ain't that fuckin' hard to grasp.

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  28. ezeonlinebiz9:08 AM

    Well whatever they think. It is up to them. But the fact still remains that American diplomats in Benghazi has nothing to with the incineration of the Muslims by Obama

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  29. Fats Durston9:16 AM

    I’m about to get to heaven, Muhammad Abdullah thought as he made the last adjustment of his fragmentation jacket, in reality a crude, body-worn claymore mine that once the TATP--triacetone triperoxide, also known as the Mother of Satan--was detonated would resemble an omnidirectional shotgun blast, envisioning the ball-bearings tearing through the eager waiting flesh of dozens of fat civilians at the Sana’a mall like miniature bowling balls in alleys composed of bone and blood; in reality, he was about to go to hell, an AGM-114 Hellfire to be exact, which thought beep beep boop, with its multi-mission, multi-target precision-strike capability, launched from a General Atomics MQ-1 Predator platform controlled via a K-under
    band satellite data link, and its integrated external blast fragmentation sleeve which would in this case make the terrorist the victim of tiny super-sonic bowling-ball like fragments.

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  30. glennisw9:19 AM

    Bowling ball metaphors, yikes! Years ago, a mystery-thriller author I used to enjoy changed ghostwriters. The new ghostwriter penned a scene where the hero fondly contemplated the physique of his wife of many years. The ghostwriter wrote that the woman's perky butt resembled a pair of bowling balls inside her jeans. I found it so hilariously grotesque it almost made up for the sadness I felt at the loss of the authorial voice I'd come to enjoy.

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  31. glennisw9:21 AM

    "In a time when America lacks the strength of will to force an
    active-duty Army officer (and admitted terrorist) to shave his jihadist
    beard before appearing at a court-martial,"



    What's the deal with this, is this seriously an issue with them? Because freedumb and liberty!!11 and suchlike - are they really having a butt-hurt because MPs haven't pinioned the guy and forcibly shaved off his beard?

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  32. glennisw9:23 AM

    Golfing is the new Teleprompters!

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  33. glennisw9:24 AM

    I was actually foolish enough to get involved in a discussion of this. Apparently, Bush's trips to Camp David don't qualify as vacation, but Obama's do.

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  34. Halloween_Jack9:44 AM

    Silver lining: it's one pretext for cleaning up your friends list.

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  35. Halloween_Jack9:44 AM

    Let's just admit that the Eschaton/Singularity was wishful thinking.

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  36. I dunno... I'm kinda partial to "Rain Of Human Heads" myself...

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  37. DocAmazing10:12 AM

    You could have a profitable sideline writing pr0n for wingnuts.

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  38. tigrismus10:13 AM

    Would they have been able to keep themselves from complaining about government oppression of religious freedom if he had been forced to shave?

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  39. Sharc... As a former caddie, let me suggest that you need to sit your brother down and tell him that just because he caddies for these assholes doesn't mean he has to start parroting their bullshit... unless it increases his tips

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  40. DocAmazing10:18 AM

    I saw part of that movie with Bill Murray. He was prematurely something, that's for sure.

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  41. tigrismus10:23 AM

    "Head like a 3-holer?"

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  42. Duncan10:38 AM

    Shouldn't that be "Travyon crazed foreigners"?

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  43. AGoodQuestion10:46 AM

    Shorter Bernie Reeves: Of course Diana West's book is bullshit, but how else are we supposed to scare the bejeezus out of the American people?

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  44. BigHank5310:49 AM

    If he can't be bothered to find his shirt, he could at least go for the BSDM cosplayers and wear a couple X-es of electrical tape.

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  45. dstatton11:07 AM

    In 2008, I loved that fact they he was bad at bowling but good in pool. An urban president. I don't like the golf thing, either, though.

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  46. AGoodQuestion11:18 AM

    While freedom isn't free, pompous and ignorant yakking seems to make a viable down payment.

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  47. AGoodQuestion11:26 AM

    because bowling balls raining down from the sky is just a regular sort of thing in Walsh's neighborhood,


    You have to admit, it would explain a lot.

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  48. Mr. Wonderful11:28 AM

    When they start yammering about "will" and "strength of will," nod amiably and back out of the room. When they're talking about individuals, you're in the presence of IMAX-scale projection. When it's in reference to "America," you're talking to someone who thinks Atlas Shrugged is literature and 300 is history.

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  49. mortimer200011:30 AM

    In Dresden, human heads rained down from the sky like bowling balls

    The British first perfected the technique of using special "bouncing heads" against German dams. A crack team of engineers, scientists, and phrenologists devised a method of skipping the heads on the water and right into the dam. They then applied a similar technique by "raining human heads" on cities of the Reich. Through more extensive research, they finally hit upon the solution to making these techniques even more lethal: substituting explosive bombs for the heads. For the Allies, this was the turning point.

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  50. AGoodQuestion11:43 AM

    Yeah, Nidal Malik Hasan is going away forever. You know it, the army knows it, even the man himself knows it. Are we really supposed to get bent out of shape that he won't be clean-shaven?

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  51. PulletSurprise11:44 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvnhNeHAafg

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  52. XeckyGilchrist11:57 AM

    I think that was the band Nathan Explosion led before Dethklok.

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  53. Those were his younger days playing guitar for the Plasmatics. Before he invented the toothpick but after the stint as Bruce Lee's mentor.

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  54. Mooser12:43 PM

    "For the Allies, this was the turning point."
    No wonder David Byrnes group became so popular. I mean besides Tina Weymouth, who is always a delight to see.

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  55. Mooser12:45 PM

    Mr. Wonderful, we are what we eat.

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  56. montag212:49 PM

    Indeed, it's integral to the brand. So many of these brainless wonders were raised on "Nicaraguan tanks could be at our border in three days," and 'Grenada is a clear threat to stability in the region,' that Russia (the "Evil Empire") seems, by comparison, to be galactic in proportions, and that terrorists are so ubiquitous that there's more than enough to fit one under every bed.


    Pogo was right.

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  57. Mooser12:49 PM

    "because bowling balls raining down from the sky"
    I never before realised how prescient (if that's an actual word, and I've spelled it right, of which I'm never sure) Robert Crumb's "Meatball" episode in the old Zap Comix was.
    In that one meatballs rained down from the sky like human heads, but a strike from one seemed to have a beneficient effect (same caveat re spelling and def.)

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  58. Mooser12:52 PM

    "You could have a profitable sideline writing pr0n for wingnuts."
    The product placement fees and endorsement deals alone will engender pelf galore!

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  59. redoubt12:53 PM

    When they start yammering about Triumph Des Willens, nod amiably and back out of the room.
    Fixed

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  60. Mooser12:54 PM

    Were they Brunswick or Voit? How many lbs.? Center or bias-drilled? Do they fall down straight or use a "hook". Do they often make a spare out of a split?

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  61. montag212:59 PM

    I note that none of them have offered to volunteer Mitt Rmoney for this duty, even though he has some experience in such things.

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  62. montag21:03 PM

    I suspect that West's diminutive readership is already composed of people who are terrified by everything.


    They're probably terrified of her, too.

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  63. Mooser1:07 PM

    "And this wouldn't be the first time Obama has cribbed from their cheat sheet."
    Obama has made a supreme self-sacrifice for the sake of the nation. He knows somebody must give an accounting for, take responsibility for, and answer for the Bush crimes, and Obama has decided it might as well be him. He will be known as the "First Chump"

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  64. Mooser1:10 PM

    "A wimp and a bully, a lazy bum and the biggest threat to the country..."
    Ever worked at a firm when they put their first minority or woman supervisor in place?

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  65. Jay B.1:15 PM

    "human heads rained down from the sky like bowling balls"


    To be fair, this was a lyric lifted directly from a Tori Amos song, I believe.

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  66. ChrisVosburg1:27 PM

    Take it easy. I didn't think I'd ever stop laughing when a horrified Les Nessman of WKRP reported that turkeys were "hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement", and I don't recall any complaints about the likelihood of sacks of wet cement actually falling from the sky, ergo, I think it's more about the creepy author imagining (while rubbing his thighs, no doubt) the swell sound a skull would make if it met the sidewalk at terminal velocity.

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  67. geraldfnord1:43 PM

    I don't know a better job, or at least one not involving literal
    prostitution (and I literally mean 'literal' literally), for residency
    at the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the
    Manhattan Institute....


    In fact, referring to those collectively as 'The Caddies' comes to mind....

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  68. geraldfnord1:53 PM

    V.D.H. is proof that it's bad idea for history to be written by the Victors.


    (I long wanted to see a Pratchett book in which a tribe of historians were all named 'Victor'---he's got a tribe of deformed lab assistants and a tribe of accountants...I guess he missed his chance with the History Monks, at least as first mentioned.)

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  69. Or listening to first graders read AFTER he'd been informed the country was under attack and then disappearing in our moment of crisis for twelve hours, leaving Tom Brokaw in charge

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  70. satch2:13 PM

    Those wars will pay for themselves. Paul Wolfowitz SAID so!

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  71. will_f2:54 PM

    Aww, that's cute. You think Obama will be held accountable.

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  72. Eli Bishop3:08 PM

    That's a really bizarre response to what Roy wrote. Did you not notice the word "rightbloggers" in that sentence, i.e. the people who are the main object of scorn in every single one of Roy's columns? He's not making light of civil liberties concerns themselves, but of wingnuts who are currently pretending to care about such things. Principled lefties who were concerned about civil liberties before, and still are, obviously don't fall under the category that's being mocked there. And their existence is irrelevant to the ridiculousness of that RedState writer's quote, since people who were already concerned about civil liberties are by definition not a "rising tide."

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  73. The_Kenosha_Kid3:18 PM

    "But we did not fight to 'liberate' the Germans from Hitler or the
    Japanese from imperial militarism: We fought them to crush them and
    eradicate the root of the evil that animated them..." Michael Walsh

    "They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They
    fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill
    among all Thy people." - FDR, June 6, 1944

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  74. geraldfnord3:37 PM

    They are in quite a position to criticise given how soulfully they feel for our first and most important allies, the French.

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  75. geraldfnord3:46 PM

    Well, in their eyes President Rosenfeld said it, so it must not be true.


    (I once saw a very honest column by Pat Buchanan in which he explicitly stated that one reason he hated our involvement in W.W.II was because of the domestic consequences, particularly blahhs', wommens', and the gays' all feeling that since they had fought against intolerance---and found out that they were pretty capable of making the self-proclaimed Whitest Kids You Know die---they might actually expect some tolerance here and respect. Black men felt like full human beings, gay and lesbian soldiers often found out that they weren't the only one in the world, or not the only one in the world who didn't match the stereotypes. Women got the notion that they could be competent adults worth reasonable wages.)

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  76. TGuerrant4:06 PM

    They sent strapping young Mitt to minister to their garlicky spiritual needs. What more could any political movement ever do for a lesser people?

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  77. TGuerrant4:10 PM

    Nobody fucks wit da Jesus.

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  78. TGuerrant4:22 PM

    Interesting how Pat can be so right and feel so wrong all at the same time.

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  79. TGuerrant4:24 PM

    Now I'm going to have to watch the whole movie again, dammit. All it takes is a few bars of Tumbling Tumbleweeds or a passing marmot to get me going.

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  80. Mooser4:28 PM

    "Aww, that's cute. You think Obama will be held accountable"
    I knew that word was going to get me in trouble, but the supply is limited, and I used what I have on hand. The process I was thinking of is a lot less orderly than "accounting" implies.
    But whatever it is, Obama seems to have very little problem with it. He apparently thinks he's the guy who can make it turn out right.
    And of course, can expect only the most patriotic and disinterested service from the military-industrial-media complex "we have."

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  81. BigHank535:16 PM

    The man's a walking example of the idiot-savant. His analysis is brilliant; his prescribed course of action is horrifying.

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  82. Heh, I love bad similes and such, when they're done on purpose. Playing with language is my weird perverted joy. But just plain idiocy is something else. By the way, your example is actually a good simile, because "hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement" works. It's not raining from the sky and anyone who's worked construction who's ever had a co-worker (or boss...) dumb enough to leave cement out in the rain will know immediatly what you mean.

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  83. Well, they're.... waaaaaiiit a second, these a Bocce balls!

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  84. sharculese5:26 PM

    Well, like I said, it's a pretty exclusive course. Tipping is prohibited, but nobody abides by that rule, and it's not unusual for a tip to more than triple his per round pay. It's a decent living, but apparently he is learning bad habits from the assholes he works for.

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  85. That's pretty much on the money. Old Pat can sometimes be shrewd in diagnosis, but in advicing treatment he's a godawful monster. "Ah, yes... I plainly see that you have lung cancer.. Here, this carton of Winstons should clear it right up".

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  86. ChrisVosburg5:47 PM

    Point taken. My bad, or rather, my tired-and-too-early-in-the-morning,

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  87. No bad at all on your part. I get that you could read my comment as actually angry or weirder than I usually am. This is the downside of text. Inflection and facial expression is sometimes hard to convey.

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  88. Hey, baby got polyurethane-back!

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  89. We fought them to crush them


    Thanks for 411, Gojira.
    ~

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  90. Very earnestly put, Eli.


    You have earned many earnest points.
    ~

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  91. He wants to make $100 million, just like Bill Clinton did for selling out the Democratic base.


    In fact, Occam's Razor says that Obama and Rahm came in on day one determined to prove to the nation's plutocrats that they could out-Clinton Bill Clinton.

    I'd say they've done it, too.
    ~

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  92. Eli Bishop8:07 PM

    Fuck your sarcastic condescension. You think it's overly "earnest" if someone asks you what the hell you're trying to say? Well aren't you the cool one.


    Your point can't "remain" if it's not a point you made in the first place. "Obama may well have found a convenient moment to cry 'War on Terror!!!!' in this case" is a statement with a reasonably clear meaning, but it's impossible to derive that meaning from "Some of us on the left, Roy, have the very same concerns" etc. To people who aren't you, it looked like you were attempting to respond to the sentence you quoted, but somehow making it all about you rather than about wingnuts.

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  93. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGRHqvC7f_o

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  94. Aimai8:35 PM

    They won't be satisfied until he is sentenced to be ritually defiled with pigs blood so he "can't get his virgins." No one takes someone else's false religion more seriously than our would be theocrats.

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  95. I'm a little younger than you, Moose. Barring a couple of "me and two other guys" type jobs, I've always worked in an inclusive environment.

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  96. realinterrobang11:33 AM

    Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't understand why anybody plays golf. The fact that most of the golf fanatics I've ever met have turned out to be assholes hasn't actually resolved the question for me at all.

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  97. Tehanu2:10 AM

    Golf is a great game to play, and you can have fun your first time on a golf course even if you need to hit the ball 10 times to get near the hole (unlike, say, tennis, where you need 6 months of practice just to be able to hit the ball at all). Having said that, I will admit that watching other people play golf is pretty much the most boring thing ever invented.

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