In the new version, with about 40,000 views, we are told that the Texas Infant Pain Capable Protection Act will take us all “one step closer to theocracy,” marking a “war on women” and a ”a battle for vaginas.” “Owning your uteruses gives them a thrill.” The bill is a “a pain in the uterus.” Never mind the pain of the child. Never mind the pain of pretending there aren’t lives abortion hurts, beyond the dead child. Because apparently we’re comfortable not hearing the cries that should rock our consciences.She talking about a Schoolhouse Rock parody, the very existence of which she considers "confirmation that absolutely nothing is, in fact, sacred." Someone should make a pro-choice Little Lulu cartoon and really blow her mind.
Meanwhile Megan McArdle does what I have come to recognize as the the typical libertarian abortion thing of acting as straight man to foam-mouthed pro-life conservatives:
Make no mistake: I’m pro-choice... But that doesn’t mean I view abortion as having the same moral weight as a haircut or a nose-piercing -- just another personal choice about what you do with your body.I'm all for women's lib, but these bra-burning kooks, etc. Enter stage right National Review's Witchfinder General David French, who reads this absolutely the way it was intended:
I think McArdle is largely right. Americans tend to be reluctant to “force” women into diffcult circumstances...Love those quote marks.
...but are broadly unsympathetic to abortions for convenience — thus the backlash you often see even from pro-choice advocates when people admit, for example, to killing their child to preserve a short-lived pro volleyball career.Bet you didn't know that most abortions are enjoyed by the Undeserving Pregnant -- sluts who deserve what happened to them and just want their unborns sucked out so they they can get back to hot yoga.
McArdle states that it is “impossible to completely separate the good [abortions] from the bad,” and — legally — she is largely right. Government can’t possibly construct a screening mechanism that separates ”good” (i.e., publicly supported because of the mother’s acknowledged difficulties) abortions from the “bad,” nor would the pro-life movement ever support such a regime. The pro-life answer is to match our honesty about abortion with charity towards mothers in crisis, to ameliorate as best we can the pressures and difficulties that lead to the “bad” abortions.By "charity towards mothers in crisis" he means steering them into fake "pregnancy centers" of the sort French and his buddies are trying to turn every women's health clinic into, and by "ameliorate as best we can the pressures and difficulties that lead to the 'bad' abortions," he means make all abortions illegal.
Oh, and he complains liberals are defaming him and his Operation Rescue buddies as "absurd caricatures of intolerant fundamentalists." He doesn't think he's got this image problem because of the crazy shit he says; he thinks it's because "America’s pro-abortion radicals are disproportionately clustered in the mainstream media and popular culture." Buddy, people were onto you in the days of the Pharisees.
"I think McArdle is largely right. Americans tend to be reluctant to “force” women into diffcult circumstances." I'm sort of STUCK here... the hell? Why should you ever force anyone into anything unless you're clamoring for the title of absolute shithead?
ReplyDeleteNever mind the pain of the child.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Mostly because the 'pain' is ascientific, anti-choice horseshit, but still, I agree.
The pro-life answer is to match our honesty about abortion
ReplyDeleteWhich 'honesty' would that be, Davey? Would it be the 'abortion causes breast cancer' nonsense? Or the 'fetuses can feel pain' nonsense? Or the 'this scaled down model of a six-month old is what your fetus looks like' nonsense? Or the 'all women regret their abortions' nonsense? Or the 'abortions cause infertility' nonsense? Or the 'abortion clinics are littered with the brutalized remains of aborted fetuses' nonsense? Or the 'your tax dollars pay for abortions' nonsense? Or the 'Planned Parenthood is a for-profit enterprise' nonsense? Seriously Davey, I'm on tenterhooks here.
The pro-life answer is to match our honesty about abortion with charity towards mothers in crisis
ReplyDeleteI hear Ron Paul bought a homeless woman a house and private schooling for her child until adulthood.
Ha ha ha.
Hmm. The "pro-abortion radicals" have the force of law, the right to privacy, Roe v. Wade, on their side. Precisely what is radical about defending one's rights under law?
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, the pro-lifers are not considered by French as radicals, they're just the people out of the media spotlight, even though they have resorted to, at various times in the history of this issue, harassment, sabotage, murder, terrorism and arson, not to mention legislative nullification efforts, to accomplish a single, coordinated aim--to deny certain rights to privacy and self-determination to 51% of the population.
But, they're not radicals, like the pro-choicers.
Yeah, right.
As someone whose work involves monitoring CPCs, I can tell you the exact definition of this charity is 'we'll hand you some second hand baby and maternity clothes and maybe a crib if someone happens to donate us one. After that you are straight up fucked, we don't care anymore.'
ReplyDeletewe’re comfortable not hearing the cries that should rock our consciences.
ReplyDeleteOK, I'm convinced she stole this one from a speech Peter Gabriel gave at Live Aid.
I've asked it before, but how do you do a standing ovation all alone in a comment section?
ReplyDeleteIn my experience many Americans are, in fact, quite gleeful about forcing women into difficult circumstances, so long as the end result is they get to scream 'slut'.
ReplyDeleteSo the Schoolhouse Rock thing finally proves "nothing is, in fact, sacred"? Well that's weird -- all along I've thought the sacred only existed in faith, not in fact. Someone mail K-Lo some pamphlets so she can learn about religion, please.
ReplyDeleteSo shame is a charity now, eh? No wonder conservatives think they give so much.
ReplyDeleteYou know this over-inflated gasbag is full of it when he begins with "I think McArdle is largely right."
ReplyDeleteIf there's one truism in this life on which one can consistently depend, it is that MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMegan is never right.
Call me a relativist feminazi, but I tend to assume women have reasons I don't know and can't imagine to terminate a pregnancy, and that it's not my place to demand explanations.
ReplyDeleteIf she's telling you it's to preserve her short lived pro-volleyball career (Hah! Women! See how they're all stereotypes anyway? And see how women's pursuits are just shallow anyway? I am forced to assume that women who have pro-volleyball careers are just out there as a hobby, or to irritate their fathers or something, not because they actually find it fulfilling or a good way to pay the bills, or anything. Clearly, having babies is a much higher priority than the exercise of any skills a woman might have worked to gain, regardless of her feelings on the matter.), she might just be saying it's none of your fucking business, troglodyte, and she doesn't suppose you're capable of arguing in good faith to begin with.
And I've said this before, but yes, okay, some women regret having had an abortion. So? Lots of people regret getting married. Let's ban that next. I regret the carrot cake I had last week and the book I bought yesterday and ever starting drinking and ever stopping drinking. Human beings are just hope-shaped jars in which regret thrives like a sourdough starter.
" here’s where the extreme pro-abortion Left is perhaps most perncious,
ReplyDeleterecognizing the danger to its radical vision of sexual liberty when
their opponents don’t conform to absurd caricatures of intolerant
fundamentalists." Fortunately they always conform to the caricature so that takes care of that.
From Corner commenter ekaneti, who has 2000 earlier comments on the site:
ReplyDelete"63% of those aborted in Texas are either black or Hispanic. The GOP should offer public funding."
Odd that he hasn't banned, as regularly racist commenters are on most sites.
So shame is a charity now, eh?
ReplyDeleteIf she's telling you it's to preserve her short lived pro-volleyball
ReplyDeletecareer (Hah! Women! See how they're all stereotypes anyway? And see how
women's pursuits are just shallow anyway? I am forced to assume that
women who have pro-volleyball careers are just out there as a hobby, or
to irritate their fathers or something, not because they actually find
it fulfilling or a good way to pay the bills, or anything. Clearly,
having babies is a much higher priority than the exercise of any skills a
woman might have worked to gain, regardless of her feelings on the
matter.), she might just be saying it's none of your fucking business,
troglodyte, and she doesn't suppose you're capable of arguing in good
faith to begin with.
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After that you are straight up fucked, we don't care anymore.
ReplyDeleteAnd thus it ever has been. Life is sacred and babies are the most precious things and children are our future! At least right up until the point that mom needs some prenatal care, or the child needs some medication, or, indeed, anything that might cost a dollar. Then, mother and child are both worthless moochers who should be hounded from society.
Here, let me fix that for you: "America's pro-abolition radicals are disproportionately clustered in the mainstream media and popular culture."
ReplyDeleteMegMac: "Make no mistake: I’m pro-choice."
ReplyDeleteMake no mistake: she's pro-choice for herself, and has no doubt that she'd be able to get one, legal or no.
I'm guessing she figures she'll never need one, so therefore not important.
ReplyDelete~
"I think McArdle is largely right. Americans tend to be reluctant to 'force' women into diffcult circumstances."
ReplyDeleteLilly Ledbetter, among others, knows McMegan is largely wrong.
For K-Lo, it's all about the fetus being capable of experiencing pain. But what about all the other things they think a 15-20 week-old fetus is capable of? Should she ever get pregnant herself (assuming a black market harvest from sperm-jacking), I'm guessing her first ultrasound viewing would go something like this:
ReplyDeleteK-Lo: "Oh look at the tiny little baby... so precious... so beaut.. Hey, where's he putting that hand?... what's he doing in there? OH MY GOD! HE'S... HE'S...IT'S MASTURBATING ITSELF! THAT'S DISGUSTING! LOOK IT'S ENJOYING IT! AAAGH! GET THIS THING OUT OF ME! GET IT OUT OF ME RIGHT NOW!"
I'm pretty sure that "charity towards mothers in crisis" means elimination of CHIP funding for prenatal care, like Jodie Laubenberg (the author of Texas's abortion ban bill) tried to do because "...they're not born yet."
ReplyDeleteto ameliorate as best we can the pressures and difficulties that lead to the “bad” abortions.
ReplyDeleteWTF does that mean? The "bad" abortions, in their eyes, come when women decide that their life circumstances can't support having a child at that time - life circumstances being both economic, aspirational, and health-related. Just how does K-Lo think she's going to "ameliorate" those circumstances?
If a woman has a medical condition that makes her choose to end a pregnancy, what's K-Lo going to do, wave a magic wand and heal her?
If a woman is too poor to support a child, I don't see Republicans praising the idea of providing welfare support, both pre and post birth.
If a woman has dreams and ambitions that don't include motherhood at the present time - what's K-Lo going to do about that? Convince the woman to abandon her aspirations? Shame her out of them? Shut the door to her opportunities?
Just how does ANYTHING proposed by the right "ameliorate" the circumstances that lead to a woman making her own decision to end a pregnancy?
This fucking pisses me off the most, this fake-concern troll shit about racism. Why not ask the question why so many black and hispanic women find themselves in circumstances that make them decide to end an unwanted pregnancy?
ReplyDeleteAren't poverty, lack of access to sex education, contraception, pre-natal health care, and fear about one's ability to support a child factors in this? Yeah, there's racism all right, but it's not from the women's health providers, its racism toward the mothers from lawmakers, that makes their lives too miserable to bring a child into the world.
The problem the anti choice zealots will always have is that they base their positions on theological arguments by assertion (well, when they're not outright lying). Our problem is that for far too long, we let them get away with it. The example that leaps to mind is when candidate Obama appeared at Rick Warren's carnival of faith with John McCain back in '08, and ducked the question "When does life begin" with a lame "[That's] above my pay grade." Conservatives love certainty, even when it's indefensible, and regard expressions of uncertainty, even when they are the more honest answer to an unknowable question, as weakness. I'm glad to see that finally, our side is standing up and saying "No, a blastocyst is not a baby, 20 week old fetuses do not feel pain, and legislators have no right to force theologically based laws on women in their private lives." And for good measure, every one of the above comments should be copy/pasted over at French's NatRev site.
ReplyDeleteNo, they're not radicals, because radicals are bad, and they're good, because they're "honest." By which I assume he means, they fetishize the fetus, ascribe sanctity and a soul to a clump of cells but literally could not care less about what happens to that soul once it's actually born--and they have the courage to sometimes sort of imply so.
ReplyDeleteMcArdle states that it is “impossible to completely separate the good [abortions] from the bad,
ReplyDeleteWhat a crock. Let's simplify this. McArdle's abortion would be good, while all others (maybe she'd make an exception for Rick Santorum's wife) are bad.
Uh, shoulda read this comment before posting my own...
ReplyDeleteMore likely, she knows she can always go on a "European Spa Vacation".
ReplyDeleteThe projection is strong in this one.
ReplyDeleteA bunch of PSA cartoons from the 70's are sacred?
ReplyDeleteDamn, I wonder what Fundamentalist Rock would be like... kinda like animated Chick tracts, I would suppose.
Nope, yours was more to the point.
ReplyDeleteVeggieTales.
ReplyDeleteOnce again repug-conservatives say openly that the idea of contraception is what they really hate. Abortion for someone raped or too poor to raise a child? OK (tho evil, eeeevil. Not really OK). Abortion for a woman whose birth-control failed? BAD. Cant be allowed. Slut shoulda kept an aspirin between her knees.
ReplyDeleteHis line about "charity towards mothers in crisis" is also pretty rich.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was a kid, my mother's conservative Baptist church was very charitable towards us after my dad left. Then my dad asked to come back, and she said no, and that charity suddenly evaporated. Conservative charity doesn't come to women who make the wrong decisions, you see.
Your comment was spot-on in a general sense, but I don't think the commenter was concern trolling, I think he was saying, "I'm A-OK with fewer non-white babies coming into the world, because I'm a racist shit."
ReplyDeleteOh, the nostalgia of growing up in a Baptist family.
ReplyDelete”good” (i.e., publicly supported because of the mother’s acknowledged difficulties) abortions
ReplyDeleteYes, we need to put women's decisions about their own bodies to a public vote. They can't be trusted to make them on their own, after all.
Um, this is K-Lo. "Freedom of choice for me but not for thee."
ReplyDeleteThe only quibble I'd have with it is that if it's spot-on, it's not a caricature. (Kind of a Poe's Law variant.)
ReplyDelete" Human beings are just hope-shaped jars in which regret thrives like a sourdough starter."
ReplyDeleteQuoted for awesomeness. Regret smells just like a sourdough starter, too.
"...to ameliorate as best we can the pressures and difficulties that lead to the “bad”" abortions".
ReplyDeleteIt's comforting to see such incoherence on the other side of an issue. Although the comments section, the id of any conservative site, is quite to the point.
The law in its infinite wisdom prevents both men and women from getting abortions.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'm gonna have to ever-so-slightly push back against that one. VeggieTales aren't nearly as awful as a comparison to animated Chick tracts would suggest. I've even accepted the mdslet's exposure to them, not least since there are much worse things in the grandparents' belief system that could be passed along instead.
ReplyDeleteBesides, many of the Silly Songs with Larry are in fact silly.
thus the backlash you often see even from pro-choice advocates when people admit, for example, to killing their child to preserve a short-lived pro volleyball career.
ReplyDeleteOften?
The pro-life answer is to match our honesty about abortion with charity towards mothers in crisis
Their level of charity already matches their level of honesty, so objective met!
What's the deal with everything being "largely" this and "largely" that? Last time I looked into Trope World it was women and academics who used qualifiers, not Deciders or Decider Minions. Can't these guys at least remain faithful to their stereotype of choice? (They were the ones who picked it, not me.)
ReplyDeleteShorter McArdle: It's understandable for me to make allowances only for reactionary morality in the repercussions of my political philosophy.
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you what "bad" abortions are, illegal abortions are bad.
ReplyDeleteLots of people are troubled by abortion and people who use them for birth control are hard for me to fathom, but having directed several young girls in Chicago to a podiatrist on 63rd street back in the day, I never want those days to come back.
And those were "good" illegal abortions, in that someone with a medical degree was involved.
Absolutely, Mr. Gallagher. Positively, Mr. Sheehan.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly right. Republican women from the right families have always been able to get their abortions on demand, and they will continue to get them irrespective of what becomes of Roe.
ReplyDeleteThe only moral abortion is my abortion. This writer actually questioned anti-abortion women who had had an an abortion.
ReplyDeletehttp://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
As I learned from the blowback in French's comment section when I posted my initial comment over there as well as here, the zealots really do believe that a fertilized egg IS a baby. I was almost prepared to attribute a tiny measure of good will to the NatRev commenters who were shedding crocodile tears over Kermit Gosnell's joint, or were blatting on about how Rick Perry is just trying to ensure that Texas women have a safe, clean, well regulated facility to go for an abortion, but in return, I expect that they would be OK with unrestricted, over the counter meds like Plan B, or the Copper T or ParaGard iud. Of course, they are not, which should prove that the abortion ban after 20 weeks is just a shuck, and anyone on our side who is tempted to say, "Well, 20 weeks really isn't THAT unreasonable, can't we all just get along" shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects or allowed to manage their own money.
ReplyDeleteProbably the thing that bothers me the most is the number of anti choice zealot women. They're the Vichy French of Conservative Fascism.
ReplyDeleteSaw this a while ago, have no idea where it is: a collection of accounts from abortion clinic workers (completely anonymous, as you might guess) of antiabortion protesters who had abortions themselves, before and/or after protesting outside the clinics.
ReplyDeleteIf it's the same one I'd read, TomParmenter links it above.
ReplyDeleteI think it's a fad the Doughy Pantload started. It goes something like "smart people don't speak in absolutes, so if I hedge a lot, people won't realize I'm stupid."
ReplyDeleteThere are some funny bits in them, but at least in the ones I saw (during my sister's Christian-pop-culture-stuff-only-for-the-kids phase), it seemed like the Bible tales tended toward the "God helps us kill our enemies" stories from the Old Testament. Even if their version of the battle of Jericho included a shout-out to Monty Python and the Holy Grail...
ReplyDeleteThat's the one!
ReplyDeleteIs it number four?
ReplyDeleteRegardless of how they word the whole "we know better than you what should happen to your uterus" - it's a woman's choice. She's got to carry the thing around for the next 18 or 19 years anyway.
maybe that's why ultra-conservatives have no shame: they gave it all away to charity early on in life.
ReplyDeleteNah, she'd just have a mini chastity belt put on the fetus.
ReplyDeleteAnybody know how, for example, you go about meeting large numbers of slutty professional volleyball players who have had abortions? I'm asking for a friend.
ReplyDeleteChurch, maybe?
ReplyDeleteif Cronenberg isn't already workin' on it, i'll get a spec script going.
ReplyDeleteBut the last time you puritans got disgusted when I wrote a sex scene between K-Lo and Krauthammer.
It carries over to other walks of life. "Let's make life miserable for everyone, then when they complain we can point to them as bad people" Women do seem to get singled out for the worst, though. And it's starting to go beyond creepy.
ReplyDeleteThere's no need to invent absurd caricatures, when we have real life idiots on t.v. and in congress who invariably live down to their stereotypes.
ReplyDeleteWith a lot of them, particularly the Xtianists, it's the old Madonna or Mary Magdalene thing. You're either a super pure virgin or a whore - no space in between. And if you're using (gasp) birth control or having a (super gasp) abortion you're clearly in the latter category. The Mrs. Rick Santorums are sanctified because they only open their legs to allow a blessed unborn child in.
ReplyDeleteAnd if we didn't already know that Rethugs only value unborn children, once they're out of the womb they're pretty much on their own, the Farm Bill just passed the house with funding for food stamps stripped right on out. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/politics/house-bill-would-split-farm-and-food-stamp-programs.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&nl=us&emc=edit_cn_20130711 Let those little mutha fuckas eat cake by god!
ReplyDeleteWell, that need would imply that she and P. Suderman...errr...never mind.
ReplyDeleteNothing's more honest than arson. Can't equivocate fire.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what holy looks like, so I'll double down on the shit. Way to kick people in the teeth.
ReplyDeleteRoy boy
ReplyDeleteMore like, how about you get a hair cut?
ReplyDeleteThat isn't really funny
ReplyDeleteWhy is it always projection with you?
ReplyDeleteThe fetus fondles itself to completion to the horror of all, but K-Lo bravely shoves her whole arm up the delivery tube of the Omen Kid and you see veins-appopin'...wow. even I don't got the stomach for this. Not after this many tacos, anyway. I will leave you, though, with one image: Der Krautenhammer using his own tears as lube while mumbling failed prayers,
ReplyDeleteYou got the joke part, right... the fun part? Needs work.
ReplyDeleteWhere you born this boring?
ReplyDeleteI wasn't asking you JEW bag
ReplyDeleteNot enough brain bleach to get that image out of my head. Gee thanks Doc!
ReplyDeleteYeah, accuse the most aryan fuck in the crowd of being a jew... how's that work? Do you get a bonus for being extra lazy? call me gay next or a girl. Don't really see any designation as a downside.
ReplyDeleteAre you and Quad B, closet queers?
ReplyDeleteHey fag boy. You tranny bouncing also?
ReplyDeleteHey, moron, got a point?
ReplyDeleteNo, we just don't get panicky in the locker room.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Do you want some dicks to suck?
ReplyDeleteNo but it sounds like you do hammer toes
ReplyDeleteConservative Fascism? What next? wet water? hot fire? cold ice?
ReplyDeleteSpeak English, Prick.
ReplyDeleteI'm tempted to make an account just to downvote this post.
ReplyDeleteAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!
And if you ever get tempted again, remember. It's an unalloyed good that McMegan has a sexless marriage.
The offspring,,,,the Omen!
ReplyDeleteWhat, haven't you ever read the Old Testament? The good parts, I mean, what with the smiting and cleaving and raping and offering your daughters to drunken crowds and bears tearing disrespectful children to pieces, that is. That shit'll give you a boner for the patriarchy like nothing else.
ReplyDeleteSo, wait, that thing about a four-way with me, mar, and 3-P was just a bunch of kidding?
ReplyDeleteOh, normal fuckin' thinkin' cured me of most of that, Tom Paine helped.with the rest.
ReplyDeleteNo, I'm thinking we should sell tickets.
ReplyDeleteIt's Dennis, all butthurt because his comments at "Sadly, No!" are being ignored, then deleted. He's partially nymjacking the person who used to pay attention to him, who has finally gotten hip to the fact that feeding the troll is pointless.
ReplyDeleteTo watch, or to join in?
ReplyDeleteI don't think K-Lo even wants the "freedom of choice for me" part.
ReplyDeleteNow -I- feel cheated, since I ALWAYS feed the trolls.
ReplyDeleteWhatever you're comfortable with, big guy.
ReplyDeleteLeave it to you Danes, feeding the trolls since the days of Hróarr. Do you need Geatish assistance?
ReplyDeleteThe days of what now? That is some Faroe Islands shit...
ReplyDeleteAHHHHhaahhaa I FINALLY GET IT. I have "berg" in my middle name! So I must be a jew! Racist idiots aren't just stupidly ignorant, they're also ignorant of their own stupidity.
ReplyDeleteI'm more Thor and Loke and Midgårdsormen.
ReplyDeleteI just said that to piss off Jonah.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of threesomes, that's pretty kinky!
ReplyDeleteNo doubt... I'm feeling weirdly awake right now. It's 05:45 here in the suburbs of Copenhagen. And the sun is already blinding me through my 13th floor window. The sun is my enemy.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I had to bounce Frank.
ReplyDeleteDo I -look- sorry?
ReplyDeleteI see Roy is following suit. Guess it's time for Dennis to come up with either some well-thought out comments or a new alias.
ReplyDeleteWell, see, "charity" means that the disgusting sluts get on their knees and beg for what they need, and when they get 1/10 of what they actually need, along with a stern moral lecture about their sluttishness, they burst into tears of shame and guilt and sob out their gratitute for being allowed to mooch off their betters, whom they now recognize as their superiors in every way.
ReplyDeleteThe First Sand and Return Serve Church of God?
ReplyDeleteYou should look up "Some Mistakes of Moses" by the American writer and lecturer, Col. Robert Ingersoll. He has some devastating things to say about American "Christianity" as it was in the 19th Century.
ReplyDeleteWay ahead of you. But like I said, I've never been religious at all.. It's sort of funny, because when debating American fundies online, they can't seem to grasp the concept of someone like me even existing. Someone who's never believed in any god, pick a god, do the card trick already.
ReplyDeleteA convicted bank robber would probably have a better chance getting elected to public office than an American atheist.
ReplyDeleteTrue. But President P.Z. Myers whould be a fun thing to behold.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of P. Z., he's going to be a guest blogger at The Underground Bunker, a website devoted to detailing the fallicies of Scientology.
ReplyDeleteNow that “Pharyngula” author PZ Myers has spilled the beans,
we can reveal that the University of Minnesota Morris biology professor
will be joining us here as we read through L. Ron Hubbard’s epic 1952
work, A History of Man.
http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/#more-8377
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ReplyDeletehttp://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
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