Enoch Powell wasn't a "whackjob". A lot of what he said in his 'rivers of blood' speech turned out to be true - especially economically. The only problem (for him) was that it attracted a few nutters - from both liberal and far right wing - who gathered like moths to a flame. And so, of course, the actual intent and content of the speech is now lost to the trope. So, blah blah Enoch Powell, racist, whackjob, blah blah. Which is a shame.
Legacies have a habit of escaping one's control. Just look at William Jennings Bryan, he had a distinguished career as a populist, but he had to blow his legacy by representing the cause of religious fundamentalism in an infamous miscarriage of justice.
Well, if anything, that proves that Mistah Kurtz, he still brain-dead, as well as that Sowell has been taking his stupidity medication regularly.
And Coulter? This is just another opportunity for her to throw raw meat to the mouth-breathers. Of course, her list does not include such well-assimilated white people such as... Charles Whitman, or Charlie Starkweather, or Charles Manson--or that sterling example of raw will over whom Ayn Rand drooled, William Hickman.
Maybe Coulter is backhandedly making the assertion that only white people are allowed to kill others. (That would certainly be in keeping with the government's view that anyone fighting back against our invaders is guilty of a war crime.)
And yet, there are white people all over this country totally unaware of their special status. Someone inform the Tea Partiers, immediately! (On second thought, no, please don't.)
Recently, some supposedly persecuted Somalis were generously granted asylum to immigrate to Minnesota communities, only to later fly back to Somalia to wage jihad. Were they true refugees fleeing persecution, or extremists looking for a breather in the United States?
As someone who worked one block from the "crack stacks"--the public housing projects that hundreds of Somalis ended up living in in Minneapolis--let's just say the "breather" imagined by S.T.D. Hanson is a bit overstated.
And how about that bridge (a couple more blocks away) that the Jihadists took out across the Mississippi?! Oh, wait, you mean to say that it was cutbacks of governmental oversight under Republican administration that killed 13 and injured 145, not neighborhood Somali terrorists? Well, don't that beat all.
Cultural self-confidence is the true key to immigrant assimilation – and fully compatible with respect for a wide variety of ethnicities and religions, as Americans once knew.
Yes, that respect for a wide variety of ethnicities ... as Americans once knew:
Did you ever see Powell? This is the man for whom the expression "wild, staring eyes" was coined. Brilliant in his youth — a classics scholar of the first rank — but, as became increasingly clear in his later years, a strophe short of the full ode.
"Exposure to our society and way of life for years did nothing to prevent [the Tsarnaevs] from falling under the spell of radical preachers at a terrorist-supporting mosque," reasoned Tim Dunkin at Renew America.
The imam and others at the mosque Tamerlan Tsarnaev sometimes attended basically confirm that Tsarnaev was an asshole forever and they preferred not to deal with him. But when Dunkin paints he uses his broadest brush.
Hey, you too can become the All-American boy next door with a gun and a grudge. (I didn't plan it that way, but those were the names that popped into my head. Just turned out to be suitably alliterative. I suppose if I'd fixated on the middle name of Wayne, the pickings would have been even better.)
You know, I seem to recall a Jutish conspiracy to take over the world by manipulating financial institutions. I read about it in a pamphlet titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zealand.
In ConservativeLand (TM), any event provides the justification for doing what you wanted to do originally. In this particular case, it's two lunatic brothers set off homemade bombs and it's the perfect excuse to jam it to would-be immigrants. The Tsarneaev Brothers have already been made into poster-children for welfare slashing. Next up, they'll be proof that tax cuts for the wealthy really do bring prosperity.
Many disparate events, one set of goals: The Conservative mind at work!
"For example, last week Soren Dayton explained to readers of the Daily Caller that he'd met an anti-immigration zealot who "wanted to stop immigration reform because he believed that human beings were destroying the planet and that an increase in the U.S. population would exacerbate the environmental injustices he perceived to be occurring already."
Hmm... Soren Dayton dug up some "anti-immigration zealot" hippie, whereas our side can point to three quarters of the "conservative intelligentsia" and an equal percentage of Republican members of Congress. Jeezus... these guys don't REALLY want to go head to head in a battle of anecdotal whackazoid stereotypes, do they?
Having read the speech at the link provided by DocAmazing, Powell seems like your basic racist anti-immigrant nativist. His arguments are pretty much the same as those of Pat Buchanan, or someone like that.
They called us Zealand? Seriously? (It's Sjælland, actually.) And, yeah, Jutes need only apply for speech-training. They're the jews of danish mainlandery.
Powell was going on about "wide-grinning piccaninnies" and complaining about the special treatment and privileges afforded to new immigrants, and raising the spectre that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man." I'm happy to call him a racist swine.
The most revealing part of the speech is where an anonymous informant tells Powell that he's encouraging his own kids to emigrate to elsewhere in the Empire -- "I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas". He takes it for granted that other parts of the world are fair game for British resettlement, and can be relied upon as havens of white-skin domination... the wishes of the original inhabitants (or indeed the current inhabitants) are irrelevant. The British are allowed to move where they like, but movement in the opposite direction is ABOMINATION.
What I particularly like about Powells speech is the apparent ignorance of, say, the Norman conquest. He also plaintively evokes the spectre of a depopulated England as whites flee to...Kenya? Hong Kong? South Africa? Jamaica? Sing, muse, of the far lands where a white man can roam free and proud! We can call the whole process "colonialism" maybe, and if it doesn't pan out we can let the descendants of our empire come back later and reinstate themselves as citizens. We can call the old places of exile "commonwealth countries" and maybe we can work something about citizenship for "members" of the "empire." I'm just spitballing here, of course.
Once upon a time, kids knew who Thomas Jefferson and Horatio Alger were...
Yes, that's what's wrong with the world today - kids these days don't read 19th century popular fiction. They've also stopped dancing the Charleston, and no one's holding quilting bees anymore.
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"We can call the old places of exile "commonwealth countries" and maybe we can work something about citizenship for "members" of the "empire".
Maybe we could call them "Oklahoma", or "Alabama", or "Montana". Of course, the new arrivals would have to learn a whole new language, but that's not beyond the intellectual capabilities of the more advanced White race, is it?
I have just discovered that Frito-Lay has twoseparate lists of kosher certified products (first link is triangle-K, the second is Orthodox Union), but the majority of the Cheetos family is not on there, so...
I'm thinking "Pantagruel" is more his style, but for the fact that gruel isn't rich enough for him. "Pantaload" is more his style, but that's not a real name.
"Exposure to our society and way of life for years did nothing to prevent [Timothy McVeigh]" reasoned [Bizarro] Tim Dunkin at [Bizarro] Renew America. "As a result, we should seriously consider, as a society, whether we should allow [gunshows in] our nation."
It's the typical racist fear that the tables will be turned. Fear not, Mr Powell, I'm sure the current minorities will treat you with the same respect with which you treat them.
Yeah, I'll give you that - the peculiar Anglo-American spin on manifest destiny and colonization. Get out the way! No, I'm not going to learn to integrate, go find somewhere else to live! Oh, hey.. wait! You can't go live in my old house!
You may make it a laughing matter these days, but I heard this story from a friend from Oklahoma: During the depths of the Depression, one of his grandfathers was willing to let himself and his family starve rather than take any government assistance. I don't know how they avoided compromising with the insidious FDR Administration, but somehow they did.
Here in the States, in the 1920s, there was an entire sub-genre of pulp fiction concerning the "Danish Danger"- lurid tales of smiling, bicycle-riding blond men trying to corrupt the morals of God-fearing Americans with charming fairytales and offers of butter cookies. There were serials about sinister Sjængalis luring innocent girls from the Heartland into servitude as pleasure-slaves in underground Akvavit dens.
Even now, Republican politicians in the South occasionally warn against attempts to institute "Danelaw" in the States.
Considering that Oklahoma was founded on land given away by the federal gummint to whoever showed up "sooner" to claim it (once the Native Americans had politely been shown the door), and the help the Feds provided during the Dust Bowl years in buying up the starving cattle that could not be cared for, studying new methods of plowing that would not result in topsoil being blown into Missouri, and buying up farms to facilitate the re-establishment of grasslands, among other things (thanks, Ken Burns, for your "Dust Bowl series), you'd think the Okies would be more freaking grateful.
I don't know if it would be illegal to eat kiwis, but if the kiwi population falls below a critical threshold, the resultant ecological imbalance would expose the world to the horrors of the tuatara menace.
Jeezus... these guys don't REALLY want to go head to head in a battle of anecdotal whackazoid stereotypes, do they?
Rhetorical? Right?
If not, these bastard enjoy pushing boundaries like toddlers . What part of shitting the bed, blaming the other, with a backpack or suitcase full of projection do they not understand? ...
And right they were to tremble! The forcefeedings of frikadeller was beyond all gooselivered take-in-ability! The sheer ear-molesting of "Sejle op ad åen".. .
Tudor? Are you sure? I mean, are you sure you won't have to reach further back into history to feel at home in your own slime? I've always thought a person's comfort should be paramount. Is there an abberrrant timeline we can help you get back to?
I think that partisan board remark is, to put it bluntly, crap. I didn't arrive at my considered opinion about Enoch Powell and his speech because I jumped to conclusions--I just looked and conclusions were there. Sorry, Buffy reference. My pint here isn't that I think Powells statement was racist because I have some preconceived, ill informed, in nuanced opinion of the right wing racist movement in Britain. It goes the other way--I (speaking only for myself) know plenty about the history if racism in England and its former colonies. It makes more sense to say that we arrive st our dismissive attitude toward Powell and our partisanship BECAUSE we know what we are talking about.
a depopulated England as whites flee to...Kenya? Hong Kong? South Africa? Jamaica?
He's talking about Australia and New Zealand -- they were the preferred whites-only bolt-holes at the time.
the apparent ignorance of, say, the Norman conquest
The separate arrival of Celts, pre-Celts, Angles and Saxons, Vikings, Huegenots, Normans and what-have-you were irrelevant to Powell's image of a monocultural England; for some reason the differences among them were invisible to him.
He had also encouraged immigration to help staff the NHS.
That's not true. Read the speech. He specifically states that it's a good thing for Commonwealth medical staff to come over as gastarbeiten to work and pay taxes and go back home afterwards because "They are not, and never have been, immigrants".
It's got the complaint of being gagged by Political Correctness; immigrants are taking our jobs and our hospital beds; disadvantaged by Affirmative Action;* the works.
* In particular, Powell reports that employers like to hire new arrivals because they are less competent and less reliable and have less work ethic. No, really: "employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker".
I know what he was talking about but the notion that those were white man's paradises was itself an expensive fiction. And only as long as he maintains an elaborate forgetting of the actual history of colonial settlement can he manage to imply that white flight to the colonies has not always been the preferred solution to the economic collapse of white worker prospects. Hell the way they white populated Australia in the first place was by sweeping up criminals znd vagrants who couldn't make an economic success of Britain. In Powells remembered utopian past once sturdy english men got the best jobs but in fact the overpopulation of vagrants and criminals and unemployed were a problem solved by forcible relocation st the bottom, employment opportunities at the top.
Alger is an odd icon to conjure up as a necessary stalwart of the American Dream, especially in these, ahem, still uncertain days.
It's not as if he's been on the tip of everyone's tongue for decades--he's largely been regarded as a literary curiosity and his books were predictably (and excruciatingly) formulaic. His last book was finished after death in 1899 by a friend, and his publisher gave up on reprints in 1926.
Beyond that, his almost chirpy dependency in every book upon the wealthy lifting up the poor but morally upright and brave boy probably would not play very well today, when the wealthy are not only shitting on the poor at every opportunity, but turning much of the middle class into the poor, seemingly in order to have that many more people to shit on.
Maybe our friendly right-wing correspondent is unaware that Horatio Alger looked like a useful idiot of the rich once James T. Farrell came along.
Obviously, the solution is to keep toy cars out of the hands of the Muslims. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-remote-control-device-20130424,0,3887956.story
I had to look it up because I didn't believe it. From wiki "These statements were allegedly made on stage by a heavily drunk Clapton during a concert in Birmingham, UK, in 1976. Clapton is referring to British anti-immigration Conservative MP Enoch Powell. Clapton later made similar further comments to the audience later in the evening. Clapton has never denied making these statements and has refused to apologise for his remarks or distance himself from them, although he denies that his views are racist and states that he is merely an opponent of mass immigration. This incident was the main inspiration for the formation of Rock Against Racism."
In his defense as a fan, I can only say, cocaine/alcohol is a heel of a drug
within the last 50 hours I have learned and taken up knitting. last night I was showed how to pearl or perl (not quite on top of the nomenclature, yet.) I know from Jefferson and Alger, though the latter was among the most popular fellaters of power in his day. ...
Ah, right. So comments about "being at home in my own slime", the old thumbs down, blah blah, every time I make a comment on alicublog that doesn't fit neatly into a narrow definition of liberal thought... but when I make a comment that _is_ in broad agreement with liberal thought, I get thumbs up galore.... seems pretty much a partisan board to me. Glad to see a couple of people on here are willing to grasp what I was saying - especially the dissonance between the "obviously" insane froth-mouthed Powell and the lovable, slightly misunderstood/drunk troubadour Clapton, who never stood for election ever, so who cares what he says on stage, in front of an audience. But okay, today, I am a terrible person, until I agree with the worldview on this little corner of the internet tomorrow (probably) and then everything will be cool beans once more :)
It's funny you should say that, as we have a local woman who married a US serviceman and came over here after WWII. She's Danish and she's always ridden a bike around town.
The real threat, if you ask me, is from the Dutch.
I was first made aware of the insidious Dutch conspiricy to weaken the morals of good American men, turning them into miserly, chocolate eating, wooden shoe wearing, tree hating hippies in the April 1973 issue of THIS fine magazine of investigative journalism.
That's some sanctimonious BS right there, TJ. You're the one who started this by defending a prominent racist and then lecturing the rest of us for our blinkered "partisan" vision. The word partisan suggests the promotion of an agenda; that is, politics first and human considerations second. But do you honestly see that happening here? Ever?
I can't speak for the crowd, of course, but I believe people gather here as part of a necessary response to the daily horror show that is the Republican right's propaganda machine - a worldview, that, however unhinged, has a baneful lock on the nation's affairs. However one picks through right-wing crap, all one finds are the worst traits our species has to offer: greed, spite, xenophobia, dishonesty, & willful ignorance.
Our host is a master of singling out the more gaudy wingnut expressions, providing a humorous and contemporary perspective. Then we commenters get to riff on that. If we tend to speak to each other in agreement, or lockstep according to you, I would suggest it's not because Roy's observations accord with a left-liberal slant, but rather that we're all properly horrified that hateful dreck is being published and disseminated without being called out for what it is in the wider corporate media.
So solace for one thing and a wish for common decency, as well. That's what binds us, IMO. No partisanship required, just a regular-sized dollop of humanity.
But okay, today, I am a terrible person, until I agree with the worldview on this little corner of the internet tomorrow (probably) and then everything will be cool beans once more :)
Obviously you can't argue that Powell is right in rivers of blood and Clapton is wrong in having said something racist on stage. But that seems to be what you are arguing. Because you seem more concerned with some imaginary standard of "ours" vs "yours." Clapton ,however, isn't "ours" in any meaningful sense. Like most people I don't give rats ass what some guitar player thinks about anything and I certainly didn't have any passes to hand out. Enoch Powells speech was a political speech meant to exhort white people and britains legislators to overt hostile action against non white citizens and residents. I don't think it's even necessary to label that racism if that freaks you out: it was immoral, dangerous, reckless and wrong just on its own terms. What this has to do with ERIC Clapton ill never know. It was really rather squid inky of you to throw it in there.
Clapton drunkenly went on & on in front of an audience and went on an extended rant about how right Powell was. It was one of the biggest reasons for the founding of Rock Against Racism.
I think TJ is trying to imply that Clapton has been given a free pass for his racism, while Powell has been upbraided for his. I must disagree: lots of people, myself included, find Clapton wildly overrated and an asshole in the bargain.
TJ, it's simple. You suggested Enoch Powell was misunderstood, and wasn't as racist as he's remembered. You also said his "Rivers of Blood" speech turned out to be true economically. So we went and read his speech and it's just as bad as folks remember it being and has little to nothing in it about economics. I'll gladly cop to being partisan, but that has nothing to do with this situation.
Reading the speech, he seems to be preparing British whites to blame their troubles on African immigration. It's not just counterproductive, it's dangerous.
Enoch Powell wasn't a "whackjob". A lot of what he said in his 'rivers of blood' speech turned out to be true - especially economically. The only problem (for him) was that it attracted a few nutters - from both liberal and far right wing - who gathered like moths to a flame.
ReplyDeleteAnd so, of course, the actual intent and content of the speech is now lost to the trope. So, blah blah Enoch Powell, racist, whackjob, blah blah. Which is a shame.
Legacies have a habit of escaping one's control. Just look at William Jennings Bryan, he had a distinguished career as a populist, but he had to blow his legacy by representing the cause of religious fundamentalism in an infamous miscarriage of justice.
ReplyDeleteI've read the speech. What do you think the intent and content were?
ReplyDeleteWell, if anything, that proves that Mistah Kurtz, he still brain-dead, as well as that Sowell has been taking his stupidity medication regularly.
ReplyDeleteAnd Coulter? This is just another opportunity for her to throw raw meat to the mouth-breathers. Of course, her list does not include such well-assimilated white people such as... Charles Whitman, or Charlie Starkweather, or Charles Manson--or that sterling example of raw will over whom Ayn Rand drooled, William Hickman.
Maybe Coulter is backhandedly making the assertion that only white people are allowed to kill others. (That would certainly be in keeping with the government's view that anyone fighting back against our invaders is guilty of a war crime.)
And yet, there are white people all over this country totally unaware of their special status. Someone inform the Tea Partiers, immediately! (On second thought, no, please don't.)
Recently, some supposedly persecuted Somalis were generously granted
ReplyDeleteasylum to immigrate to Minnesota communities, only to later fly back to
Somalia to wage jihad. Were they true refugees fleeing persecution, or
extremists looking for a breather in the United States?
As someone who worked one block from the "crack stacks"--the public housing projects that hundreds of Somalis ended up living in in Minneapolis--let's just say the "breather" imagined by S.T.D. Hanson is a bit overstated.
And how about that bridge (a couple more blocks away) that the Jihadists took out across the Mississippi?! Oh, wait, you mean to say that it was cutbacks of governmental oversight under Republican administration that killed 13 and injured 145, not neighborhood Somali terrorists? Well, don't that beat all.
Cultural self-confidence is the true key to immigrant assimilation – and
ReplyDeletefully compatible with respect for a wide variety of ethnicities and
religions, as Americans once knew.
Yes, that respect for a wide variety of ethnicities ... as Americans once knew:
Charles Whitman, or Charlie Starkweather, or Charles Manson
ReplyDeleteI feel as if I'm not living (or killing) up to my legal first name.
Did you ever see Powell? This is the man for whom the expression "wild, staring eyes" was coined. Brilliant in his youth — a classics scholar of the first rank — but, as became increasingly clear in his later years, a strophe short of the full ode.
ReplyDelete"Exposure to our society and way of life for years did nothing to prevent [the Tsarnaevs] from falling under the spell of radical preachers at a terrorist-supporting mosque," reasoned Tim Dunkin at Renew America.
ReplyDeleteThe imam and others at the mosque Tamerlan Tsarnaev sometimes attended basically confirm that Tsarnaev was an asshole forever and they preferred not to deal with him. But when Dunkin paints he uses his broadest brush.
Someone inform the Tea Partiers, immediately!
ReplyDeleteBelieve it or not, I think they've got this one already.
Hey, you too can become the All-American boy next door with a gun and a grudge. (I didn't plan it that way, but those were the names that popped into my head. Just turned out to be suitably alliterative. I suppose if I'd fixated on the middle name of Wayne, the pickings would have been even better.)
ReplyDeleteThe National Review: standing athwart demography, shouting "Waiter!"
ReplyDeleteDefending the Klan at the '24 Democratic Convention didn't do wonders for his legacy either.
ReplyDeleteWalter Russell Mead, who has a reputation as an intellectual for some reason
ReplyDeleteIt's the three-names thing. Victor Davis Hanson has been gliding on it for years. Expect to see "Jonah Leviticus Goldberg" any day now.
Americans had respect for a wide variety of ethnicities, ranging all the way from Angle to Saxon.
ReplyDeleteNo Jutes need apply!
Were Donald Kagan and Victor Davis Hanson ever considered classics scholars of the first rank, or were they just rank?
ReplyDeleteYou know, I seem to recall a Jutish conspiracy to take over the world by manipulating financial institutions. I read about it in a pamphlet titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zealand.
ReplyDeleteThe conspiracy was thwarted when the Jutes were given enough rope to hang themselves.
ReplyDeleteIt's after 2 AM. Now that I've gotten in way more than my fair share of puns, I will bid you all adieut.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html
ReplyDeleteThere's the text of Powell's speech. I'm not sure what speech you read.
Leviticus? No way would Jonah put up with so many dietary restrictions!
ReplyDeleteIn ConservativeLand (TM), any event provides the justification for doing what you wanted to do originally. In this particular case, it's two lunatic brothers set off homemade bombs and it's the perfect excuse to jam it to would-be immigrants. The Tsarneaev Brothers have already been made into poster-children for welfare slashing. Next up, they'll be proof that tax cuts for the wealthy really do bring prosperity.
ReplyDeleteMany disparate events, one set of goals: The Conservative mind at work!
"For example, last week Soren Dayton explained to readers of the Daily Caller
ReplyDeletethat he'd met an anti-immigration zealot who "wanted to stop
immigration reform because he believed that human beings were destroying
the planet and that an increase in the U.S. population would exacerbate
the environmental injustices he perceived to be occurring already."
Hmm... Soren Dayton dug up some "anti-immigration zealot" hippie, whereas our side can point to three quarters of the "conservative intelligentsia" and an equal percentage of Republican members of Congress. Jeezus... these guys don't REALLY want to go head to head in a battle of anecdotal whackazoid stereotypes, do they?
Having read the speech at the link provided by DocAmazing, Powell seems like your basic racist anti-immigrant nativist. His arguments are pretty much the same as those of Pat Buchanan, or someone like that.
ReplyDeleteI'm eager for how they will serve to bolster the anti abortion cause. And I'd like to squeeze thdm into gays in scouting. As it wre.
ReplyDeleteI thought this only applied to first names and serial killers.
ReplyDeleteEaten by a Grue, will be replaced by eaten by a Gorn.
ReplyDeleteThey called us Zealand? Seriously? (It's Sjælland, actually.) And, yeah, Jutes need only apply for speech-training. They're the jews of danish mainlandery.
ReplyDeleteAlieut, would have been better.
ReplyDeleteHOW DID YOU KNOW I'M THE ORIGINALK AUTHOR.
ReplyDeletePowell was going on about "wide-grinning piccaninnies" and complaining about the special treatment and privileges afforded to new immigrants, and raising the spectre that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to call him a racist swine.
The most revealing part of the speech is where an anonymous informant tells Powell that he's encouraging his own kids to emigrate to elsewhere in the Empire -- "I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas". He takes it for granted that other parts of the world are fair game for British resettlement, and can be relied upon as havens of white-skin domination... the wishes of the original inhabitants (or indeed the current inhabitants) are irrelevant. The British are allowed to move where they like, but movement in the opposite direction is ABOMINATION.
A few years ago, nativists tried to take over the Sierra Club, arguing that immigration was a threat to the environment.
ReplyDeleteWhat I particularly like about Powells speech is the apparent ignorance of, say, the Norman conquest. He also plaintively evokes the spectre of a depopulated England as whites flee to...Kenya? Hong Kong? South Africa? Jamaica? Sing, muse, of the far lands where a white man can roam free and proud! We can call the whole process "colonialism" maybe, and if it doesn't pan out we can let the descendants of our empire come back later and reinstate themselves as citizens. We can call the old places of exile "commonwealth countries" and maybe we can work something about citizenship for "members" of the "empire." I'm just spitballing here, of course.
ReplyDeleteWhen Kaity Jean of the lowly pez discusses immigration I wonder if she gves consideration to her surname,
ReplyDelete,,,
Once upon a time, kids knew who Thomas Jefferson and Horatio Alger were...
ReplyDeleteYes, that's what's wrong with the world today - kids these days don't read 19th century popular fiction. They've also stopped dancing the Charleston, and no one's holding quilting bees anymore.
He shared a ride from the airport with him in Tom Friedman's cab.
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Were they true refugees fleeing persecution, or
ReplyDeleteextremists looking for a breather in the United States
His opinion of anti-communist or anti-dictator types going back to fight after fleeing persecution would no doubt be the same, right?
But she's one of the Good Ones, dontcha know.
ReplyDelete"We can call the old places of exile "commonwealth countries" and maybe we can work something about citizenship for "members" of the "empire".
ReplyDeleteMaybe we could call them "Oklahoma", or "Alabama", or "Montana". Of course, the new arrivals would have to learn a whole new language, but that's not beyond the intellectual capabilities of the more advanced White race, is it?
I have just discovered that Frito-Lay has two separate lists of kosher certified products (first link is triangle-K, the second is Orthodox Union), but the majority of the Cheetos family is not on there, so...
ReplyDeleteYou're knot getting off that easily, mister!
ReplyDeleteThings have gone downhill ever since barn-raisings went out of fasion.
ReplyDeleteIt was originally a Portuguese name, don't you know?
ReplyDeleteWell, not his mouth, necessarily.
ReplyDeleteAnd kids with their fashions these days! It's all about the pants that entrance, with the drape shape and the reet pleat. It's true, Suzy Q!
ReplyDeleteIt's the way your chin jutes out.
ReplyDeleteDon't complain to me, tell it to all those Kæwæs living in the Antipodæs.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking "Pantagruel" is more his style, but for the fact that gruel isn't rich enough for him. "Pantaload" is more his style, but that's not a real name.
ReplyDeleteNah, barn raisings reek of collectivism. Better to die a free man than to give in to the lure of combined effort.
ReplyDelete"Better dead than fed!"
23 skidoo!
ReplyDeleteMay I call you "Bird" Bouffant?
ReplyDelete"Exposure to our society and way of life for years did nothing to prevent [Timothy McVeigh]" reasoned [Bizarro] Tim Dunkin at [Bizarro] Renew America. "As a result, we should seriously consider, as a society, whether we should allow [gunshows in] our nation."
ReplyDeleteIf, back in the day, anyone had known who Horatio Alger was, he would have lost his ministry all the sooner.
ReplyDeleteIt's the typical racist fear that the tables will be turned. Fear not, Mr Powell, I'm sure the current minorities will treat you with the same respect with which you treat them.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'll give you that - the peculiar Anglo-American spin on manifest destiny and colonization. Get out the way! No, I'm not going to learn to integrate, go find somewhere else to live!
ReplyDeleteOh, hey.. wait! You can't go live in my old house!
You may make it a laughing matter these days, but I heard this story from a friend from Oklahoma: During the depths of the Depression, one of his grandfathers was willing to let himself and his family starve rather than take any government assistance. I don't know how they avoided compromising with the insidious FDR Administration, but somehow they did.
ReplyDeleteHere in the States, in the 1920s, there was an entire sub-genre of pulp fiction concerning the "Danish Danger"- lurid tales of smiling, bicycle-riding blond men trying to corrupt the morals of God-fearing Americans with charming fairytales and offers of butter cookies. There were serials about sinister Sjængalis luring innocent girls from the Heartland into servitude as pleasure-slaves in underground Akvavit dens.
ReplyDeleteEven now, Republican politicians in the South occasionally warn against attempts to institute "Danelaw" in the States.
Considering that Oklahoma was founded on land given away by the federal gummint to whoever showed up "sooner" to claim it (once the Native Americans had politely been shown the door), and the help the Feds provided during the Dust Bowl years in buying up the starving cattle that could not be cared for, studying new methods of plowing that would not result in topsoil being blown into Missouri, and buying up farms to facilitate the re-establishment of grasslands, among other things (thanks, Ken Burns, for your "Dust Bowl series), you'd think the Okies would be more freaking grateful.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if it would be illegal to eat kiwis, but if the kiwi population falls below a critical threshold, the resultant ecological imbalance would expose the world to the horrors of the tuatara menace.
ReplyDeleteJeezus... these guys don't REALLY want to go head to head in a battle of anecdotal whackazoid stereotypes, do they?
ReplyDeleteRhetorical? Right?
If not, these bastard enjoy pushing boundaries like toddlers . What part of shitting the bed, blaming the other, with a backpack or suitcase full of projection do they not understand?
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And right they were to tremble! The forcefeedings of frikadeller was beyond all gooselivered take-in-ability! The sheer ear-molesting of "Sejle op ad åen".. .
ReplyDeleteI thought those were dodos? Who gave me the wrong script?
ReplyDeleteA to the men. (and even more to the women).
ReplyDeleteYeah, but what has Big Gubmint done for them lately? Besides ceaselessly prop up their otherwise-unsustainable existence, I mean?
ReplyDeleteTudor? Are you sure? I mean, are you sure you won't have to reach further back into history to feel at home in your own slime? I've always thought a person's comfort should be paramount. Is there an abberrrant timeline we can help you get back to?
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking "Pantograph" because he's been copying from others' success since.
ReplyDeleteI come from a long line of ċeorles.
ReplyDeleteI think that partisan board remark is, to put it bluntly, crap. I didn't arrive at my considered opinion about Enoch Powell and his speech because I jumped to conclusions--I just looked and conclusions were there. Sorry, Buffy reference. My pint here isn't that I think Powells statement was racist because I have some preconceived, ill informed, in nuanced opinion of the right wing racist movement in Britain. It goes the other way--I (speaking only for myself) know plenty about the history if racism in England and its former colonies. It makes more sense to say that we arrive st our dismissive attitude toward Powell and our partisanship BECAUSE we know what we are talking about.
ReplyDeletea depopulated England as whites flee to...Kenya? Hong Kong? South Africa? Jamaica?
ReplyDeleteHe's talking about Australia and New Zealand -- they were the preferred whites-only bolt-holes at the time.
the apparent ignorance of, say, the Norman conquest
The separate arrival of Celts, pre-Celts, Angles and Saxons, Vikings, Huegenots, Normans and what-have-you were irrelevant to Powell's image of a monocultural England; for some reason the differences among them were invisible to him.
He had also encouraged immigration to help staff the NHS.
ReplyDeleteThat's not true. Read the speech. He specifically states that it's a good thing for Commonwealth medical staff to come over as gastarbeiten to work and pay taxes and go back home afterwards because "They are not, and never have been, immigrants".
It's got the complaint of being gagged by Political Correctness; immigrants are taking our jobs and our hospital beds; disadvantaged by Affirmative Action;* the works.
ReplyDelete* In particular, Powell reports that employers like to hire new arrivals because they are less competent and less reliable and have less work ethic. No, really: "employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of
discipline and competence required of the native-born worker".
sinister Sjængalis
ReplyDeleteI see what you do there.
I know what he was talking about but the notion that those were white man's paradises was itself an expensive fiction. And only as long as he maintains an elaborate forgetting of the actual history of colonial settlement can he manage to imply that white flight to the colonies has not always been the preferred solution to the economic collapse of white worker prospects. Hell the way they white populated Australia in the first place was by sweeping up criminals znd vagrants who couldn't make an economic success of Britain. In Powells remembered utopian past once sturdy english men got the best jobs but in fact the overpopulation of vagrants and criminals and unemployed were a problem solved by forcible relocation st the bottom, employment opportunities at the top.
ReplyDeleteHe was a quiet guy, never caused any trouble that I know. I used to see him with his dog.
ReplyDeleteHanson knows quite a bit of ancient military history, I believe.
ReplyDeleteAlger is an odd icon to conjure up as a necessary stalwart of the American Dream, especially in these, ahem, still uncertain days.
ReplyDeleteIt's not as if he's been on the tip of everyone's tongue for decades--he's largely been regarded as a literary curiosity and his books were predictably (and excruciatingly) formulaic. His last book was finished after death in 1899 by a friend, and his publisher gave up on reprints in 1926.
Beyond that, his almost chirpy dependency in every book upon the wealthy lifting up the poor but morally upright and brave boy probably would not play very well today, when the wealthy are not only shitting on the poor at every opportunity, but turning much of the middle class into the poor, seemingly in order to have that many more people to shit on.
Maybe our friendly right-wing correspondent is unaware that
Horatio Alger looked like a useful idiot of the rich once James T. Farrell came along.
Hora
Is your middle name Wayne?
ReplyDeleteObviously, the solution is to keep toy cars out of the hands of the Muslims.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-remote-control-device-20130424,0,3887956.story
His dog's name was Sam.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they just went to school in Texas.
ReplyDeleteThis Horatio Alger?!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.academia.edu/241416/Horatio_Alger_and_the_Closeting_of_the_Self-Made_Man
Most serial killers have the middle name "Wayne". True fact
ReplyDeleteI had to look it up because I didn't believe it. From wiki "These statements were allegedly made on stage by a heavily drunk Clapton
ReplyDeleteduring a concert in Birmingham, UK, in 1976. Clapton is referring to
British anti-immigration Conservative MP Enoch Powell.
Clapton later made similar further comments to the audience later in
the evening. Clapton has never denied making these statements and has
refused to apologise for his remarks or distance himself from them,
although he denies that his views are racist and states that he is
merely an opponent of mass immigration. This incident was the main
inspiration for the formation of Rock Against Racism."
In his defense as a fan, I can only say, cocaine/alcohol is a heel of a drug
Sorry, 'bout the formatting, heel is a typo but I like it.
ReplyDeleteAlso, we should limit immigration solely to Caucasians. Wait, What?
ReplyDeleteMars, Birches!!!!
ReplyDelete....
Oh, like Dinesh D'Souza? Whose own comments on immigration broke his own brain?
ReplyDeleteAmerica Runs Away Screaming From Tim Dunkin
ReplyDeleteStole an NBA team from Seattle and given it to them?
ReplyDeletewithin the last 50 hours I have learned and taken up knitting. last night I was showed how to pearl or perl (not quite on top of the nomenclature, yet.) I know from Jefferson and
ReplyDeleteAlger, though the latter was among the most popular fellaters of power in his day.
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Ah, right. So comments about "being at home in my own slime", the old thumbs down, blah blah, every time I make a comment on alicublog that doesn't fit neatly into a narrow definition of liberal thought... but when I make a comment that _is_ in broad agreement with liberal thought, I get thumbs up galore.... seems pretty much a partisan board to me.
ReplyDeleteGlad to see a couple of people on here are willing to grasp what I was saying - especially the dissonance between the "obviously" insane froth-mouthed Powell and the lovable, slightly misunderstood/drunk troubadour Clapton, who never stood for election ever, so who cares what he says on stage, in front of an audience.
But okay, today, I am a terrible person, until I agree with the worldview on this little corner of the internet tomorrow (probably) and then everything will be cool beans once more :)
Purl :-)
ReplyDeleteThe former head of The Kings College, NY, NYC? The one with the million $ salary until he couldn't fool the rubes conservatives any more?
ReplyDeleteAnd the threat of a kakapo resurgence.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY
It's funny you should say that, as we have a local woman who married a US serviceman and came over here after WWII. She's Danish and she's always ridden a bike around town.
ReplyDeleteThe real threat, if you ask me, is from the Dutch.
I was first made aware of the insidious Dutch conspiricy to weaken the morals of good American men, turning them into miserly, chocolate eating, wooden shoe wearing, tree hating hippies
in the April 1973 issue of THIS fine magazine of investigative journalism.
http://studdblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/1973-dutchthreat-or-menace.html
Occam's Razor would indicate that the reaction you draw has a lot more to do with you being a jackass than with any kind of partisanship.
ReplyDeleteAh, the Jutes weren't so bad. Those Kallikaks on the other hand ....
ReplyDeleteThat's some sanctimonious BS right there, TJ. You're the one who started this by defending a prominent racist and then lecturing the rest of us for our blinkered "partisan" vision. The word partisan suggests the promotion of an agenda; that is, politics first and human considerations second. But do you honestly see that happening here? Ever?
ReplyDeleteI can't speak for the crowd, of course, but I believe people gather here as part of a necessary response to the daily horror show that is the Republican right's propaganda machine - a worldview, that, however unhinged, has a baneful lock on the nation's affairs. However one picks through right-wing crap, all one finds are the worst traits our species has to offer: greed, spite, xenophobia, dishonesty, & willful ignorance.
Our host is a master of singling out the more gaudy wingnut expressions, providing a humorous and contemporary perspective. Then we commenters get to riff on that. If we tend to speak to each other in agreement, or lockstep according to you, I would suggest it's not because Roy's observations accord with a left-liberal slant, but rather that we're all properly horrified that hateful dreck is being published and disseminated without being called out for what it is in the wider corporate media.
So solace for one thing and a wish for common decency, as well. That's what binds us, IMO. No partisanship required, just a regular-sized dollop of humanity.
I realise this is a partisan board, but I do try and get people to look at a different angle occasionally.
ReplyDeleteYou brave little soldier.
But okay, today, I am a terrible person, until I agree with the worldview on this little corner of the internet tomorrow (probably) and then everything will be cool beans once more :)
ReplyDeleteYou brave little soldier.
Obviously you can't argue that Powell is right in rivers of blood and Clapton is wrong in having said something racist on stage. But that seems to be what you are arguing. Because you seem more concerned with some imaginary standard of "ours" vs "yours." Clapton ,however, isn't "ours" in any meaningful sense. Like most people I don't give rats ass what some guitar player thinks about anything and I certainly didn't have any passes to hand out. Enoch Powells speech was a political speech meant to exhort white people and britains legislators to overt hostile action against non white citizens and residents. I don't think it's even necessary to label that racism if that freaks you out: it was immoral, dangerous, reckless and wrong just on its own terms. What this has to do with ERIC Clapton ill never know. It was really rather squid inky of you to throw it in there.
ReplyDeleteIf only it could be pantomime.
ReplyDeleteAh, yes, Bay of Pigs!
ReplyDeleteClapton drunkenly went on & on in front of an audience and went on an extended rant about how right Powell was. It was one of the biggest reasons for the founding of Rock Against Racism.
ReplyDeleteI think TJ is trying to imply that Clapton has been given a free pass for his racism, while Powell has been upbraided for his. I must disagree: lots of people, myself included, find Clapton wildly overrated and an asshole in the bargain.
TJ, it's simple. You suggested Enoch Powell was misunderstood, and wasn't as racist as he's remembered. You also said his "Rivers of Blood" speech turned out to be true economically. So we went and read his speech and it's just as bad as folks remember it being and has little to nothing in it about economics. I'll gladly cop to being partisan, but that has nothing to do with this situation.
ReplyDeleteReading the speech, he seems to be preparing British whites to blame their troubles on African immigration. It's not just counterproductive, it's dangerous.
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