Tuesday, April 02, 2013
MEGAN McARDLE, FIXED.
"...I think Susan Patton is basically right: people should be looking to get married as early as possible. I say this as someone who married late, and since I wouldn't want to have married anyone except my husband, I'm glad I waited. But" it's not like you losers have anything so great to look forward to.
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I got married at 37, too. Now I am ashamed that I have something in common with that dimbulb. If I had known I would have waited another year. Yesterday was my 16th wedding anniversary, I tell my wife that she pulled off the greatest prank ever.
ReplyDeleteNo, Megan, tautology is not a cool new science that all the kids who want to be millionaires are studying.
ReplyDeleteReading McMegan's article just makes me despair of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I can't believe she wrote it.
ReplyDeletePretty much shorter McMegan: The sooner women get married the sooner they'll leave school, and be replaced by more deserving white guys.
ReplyDeleteLet the record show the prescience of aimai's recent comment two threads ago:
ReplyDeleteOh, David Brooks thinks that marriage is like the psych study in which
kids are given a marshmellow/cookie and told they can have two if they
hold off eating the first one until the researcher comes back. He now
thinks that Marriage isn't all that great of a reward, its a "narrowing
down of polymorphously perverse free love" and an "obligation" and gays
who can hold off fucking everyone and everything in sight are our new
delayed gratification overlords. Move over teen het sluts! Brooks has
discovered yet another reason that ultimately rich white guys are proven
to be more virtuous than all other types of people: they can wait for
marriage, even if its same sex marriage.
...though IIRC correctly Mischel's marshmallow papers are currently out of favour, due to the implicit assumption that all kids come from safe middle-class backgrounds where adults can be trusted when they promise to deliver that second marshmallow in 10 minutes' time.
I can't believe it took her this long to write it.
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Classic MM. Bloviating and pontificating as to what the masses should do, but, special snowflake that she is, there is no way that she should have taken her own advice, which she gives so free. It is not only OK for little Janey Galt to marry when she did, after she had her fun, but it would actually have been wrong for her to do otherwise.
ReplyDeleteCould anyone be any less self aware, any more obviously hypocritical and phony, than little Megan? It almost seems as if she is engaging in self parody, as if she were own "The Onion." Why the Atlantic would think that this clueless entitlement princess deserves a regular column is a question that boggles my mind.
This is a phenomenon abortion doctors see all the time. Vehement pro-life protestor comes in for an abortion, goes right back to pro-life protesting afterwards. Hypocrisy? Of course not! She had legitimate reasons, not like those sluts in the waiting room.
ReplyDeleteSounds as if MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMegan is inflating an asset bubble around McSuderman and herself. The crash will be both totally unexpected by the investors and schadenfreudelicious to the onlookers. Think the Earl of Grantham and Charles Ponzi.
ReplyDeleteThat said, when did McAddled find it within her public intellectual purview to begin dabbling in social engineering? Gawd knows, her grasp of economics is tenuous, at best, and is further hamstrung by strong beliefs in the counterfactual, and the same certainly seems to be the case with her newfound discipline. How exactly does one arrive at "get married early" by beginning with "I married late and my life is perfect for it?" I suspect it's because she's an utterly conventional thinker, dispensing utterly conventional, even reactionary, wisdom while at the same time believing herself to be radically unconventional and unique, the free spirit to whom the rules of convention do not apply.
A typical libertarian, in other words.
For some reason, Megan's title: "You Should Get Married As Early As Possible, But No Earlier" reminds me of when Mitt Romney rhapsodized about the trees in Michigan being "Just the right height." They were both sterling examples of argument by assertion.
ReplyDeleteIn Maryland, with your parents' permission, you can get married when you're fifteen. Talk that one up, Megan.
ReplyDeleteAll of that is very well. But let us tend to our trees.
ReplyDeleteMcArdle manages to misstate Patton's point in her headline and the first paragraphs (that's all I saw). Patton didn't say "people" should get married early; she said WOMEN should, because pretty soon you ladies will be old and ugly and no one will want you while men can keep marrying young things.
ReplyDeleteWell, she's moved to the Daily Beast, which as we know has no problem lowballing it whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteI not only read the Megan piece, but also the linked letter to the Princetonian that inspired it, and my goodness: you could extract a dissertation from the unspoken assumptions there. While Susan Patton has a point--namely, you're around as many eligible people as you're ever going to be when you're in college--it's not only self-evident, but self-evidently stupid.
ReplyDeleteA lot of 21-year-old guys, even in the Ivies, have only demonstrated how good they are at gaming classes with multiple-choice finals, pick-up lacrosse games, and beer pong. Not exactly the most solid indicators for future marital reliability. Assuming that female student wants to get married at all. To a guy.
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In New Hampshire, that haven for libertarians, the minimum with permission is thirteen. And, there are some states for which there is no lower minimum bound with parents' and court permission.
ReplyDeleteShorter MegMac: "Marry in haste, repent in leisure" isn't a proverb, it's an order for the proles.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Amanda Marcotte has some words for a fellow Slateist who had the same dumb idea as Megan.
"On the other hand, never again will you be surrounded by so many people who share your interests"
ReplyDeleteExcuse me? Perhaps it's because Libertarians are the only people who are mentally the same as they were in college "affirmative action IS racism, man" (bong-hit exhale). Facebook has proven to me that (outside of close friends,) most college associates are people I just couldn't adequately get away from.
To echo one of the commenters over there, this is the person who suggested training six year olds to rush armed intruders now giving marriage advice. I hope she doesn't move on to fire safety next.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised that she didn't point out that Evo Psych shows that women are most valuable as mates at 16-17 years old, and that marrying anytime after that makes women guilty for losses of efficiency by failing to maximize their matrimonial leverage.
ReplyDeleteSeriously -- both the article and a number of the comments in the attached thread both seem to assume an individual marriage is an appropriate subject for detached, rational optimization. Good luck with that!
ReplyDeleteSeems like a feck of a lot of money to spend if your reason for a university education is to treat it as a singles bar.
ReplyDeleteOr nuclear war gaming....
ReplyDeleteYou should get married at the right age because it's the right age.
ReplyDeleteMarry early, and marry often!
ReplyDeleteThat's just unfair. If you take away argument by assertion, all Megs has left is her Thermomix.
ReplyDelete"I wouldn't want to have married anyone except my husband . . ."
ReplyDeleteI've been writing professionally for 30-odd years. At any of the publications I have written for, turning in a piece of sophistry like this would have gotten me fired or put on the "we don't need your submission at this time" list. Yet, Megan is somehow not only making a living but being taken seriously by people who at least appear to be functioning adults.
Either I did not take enough drugs to be able to understand this phenomenon, or I took way too many.
Given her inability to construct a rational argument for a subject that is amenable to it--economics, most notoriously--it's not surprising that she can't register the unsuitability of another subject for such treatment.
ReplyDeleteShit, she's right. If white chicks don't get married earlier and reproduce more, the world will be dangerously underpopulated.
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I was about to say "and that's all she needs," but, on reflection, I doubt that's true. She's a lot more acquisition-minded than that.
ReplyDeleteYou're on the cusp of something that's perplexed me for quite a while. It seems, especially with the advent of paid blogging, that a trend is developing, where saying very little of worth with a great many words is not only happening, but is being encouraged as a stylistic rule-of-thumb, as an art form, if you will, if only through the media's continuing employment of people like McAddled.
ReplyDeleteIn the ancien regime of pulp publishing, when one was paid by the word, and the rate per word was laughably low, one could understand and sympathize with a certain amount of padding. However, today, this is a developing form that has all the superficial appearance of articulate discourse without actually having any discernible substance. Facility in this method is fast becoming a desirable skill in itself. The early trendsetter was, of course, Thomas Friedman, who never met a metaphor he couldn't mix and/or mangle, and who showed considerable ability in transforming an absence of ideas into a collection of bad ideas and make the result sound profound, but it seems to me that we're well past his early groundbreaking efforts at creating the literary equivalent of empty calories.
Indeed. This also tracks with the rise of another horrifying trend in publishing: The bigger and more catastrophic a failure you're associated with, the more in demand you are. Tina Brown is the poster child for this. It's like Joseph Heller"s Colonel Korn from Catch-22 has been taken as some sort of platonic ideal in publishing.
ReplyDeleteA seriously trendy topic we've got here. Will the next buzz round be that wimmin should avoid high paying jobs so that their femininity can flourish?
ReplyDeleteShe starts the column by thanking her parents for not writing embarrassing letters about her to the Daily Pennsylvanian. Rightly so. She doesn't need anyone else embarrassing her in print.
ReplyDeleteI'd say it's not the drugs you're taking. It's with whom you're taking them. It's as good an explanation for her relative success as any I can think of.
ReplyDeleteFrom Amanda:
ReplyDelete"I grew up in one of those red states where young marriage is the norm,
and we didn’t call the man you married young your "soul mate." Our
preferred term was “first husband.”
Not bad, but I personally prefer "starter husband."
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ReplyDeleteOf course. When pageviews are all that matters, bad rep is no worse than good rep, as long as it's rep. If millions of people hate you enough to read your blog post just to say, "Argh I hate this guy," that's still money in your publisher's pocket.
ReplyDeleteStrictly speaking, Roy and the rest of us are contributing to this by clicking rightblogger links, but the hilarity is totally worth it.
Not to mention, she's addressing female students at fucking Princeton. Unless they're legacies, they earned their way in and probably are less concerned with finding a classmate to marry than with getting through school.
ReplyDeleteAlso, too: there's a rather famous Princeton alumna who married later in life, had kids in her 30s, and does not seem to be doing too badly. She even has an adorable dog.
Even better: that article in Slate just identified the author as "a writer in D.C." They left out the part where she works for the Heritage Foundation and her husband, a big-firm attorney, is a National Review Institute Fellow.
ReplyDeleteThat Slate. So contrarian!
That said
ReplyDeletewhile I wouldn’t have said it exactly the way she chose
is basically right
as possible
as a general rule
err on the side of marrying early
This seems like
depends on luck
You can’t plan for it
judging from my experience
less likely to
it’s easier to say
It’s hard enough
And so on. I'm not sure, given the circumstances, that, as I see it, when this column was written, it could be said that, in the light of my own thinking, anything was said at all.
I foresee a JanusNode script on the way...
ReplyDeleteUh..."Permission to Suck, sir?"
ReplyDeleteI always hope that Roy provides just enough of the gist so that I don't have to take the time to plod through acres of shit looking for that one comedy gem, nor put any more money in their pockets. I think of Mr. Edroso as the LRP going deep into enemy territory so the rest of us can be alert to trouble and avoid it.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first discovered Ms McArdle long ago in some blog within a few days she let loose with, I'll approximate 'postal workers........lives of dizzying boredom...'
ReplyDeleteIt's all right there. To try and sum it up it's her presumption that she is of the upper class, deservedly.
I've gathered that she is of rather fragile health full of allergies and or perhaps a compromised immune system but at any rate I strongly suspect if she actually had to work for a living, she couldn't.
When the author is driven by the twin desires to (a) prescribe a rule for everyone else, and (b) talk about a case of endless depth and fascination (i.e. that of M. McArdle) despite it contradicting the prescription of (a), then a sudden sneak* of weasel words is inevitable.
ReplyDelete* Alternative collective terms are boogle, gang, pack and confusion.
That is a doggit.
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You perfessors are all alike.
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Don't forget that pissing off the right people is verboten.
ReplyDeleteMalkins, Gersons, and Thiessens will always get new jobs.
Noam Chomsky? Dead.
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Am I the only one who thought that the title was meant to be read "Megan McCardle, Spayed?"
ReplyDeleteYou are not the only commenter who looks forward with some trepidation to McArdle's prescriptions for parenting.
ReplyDeleteHow about a punt?
ReplyDelete"I wouldn't want to have married anyone except my husband . . ."
ReplyDeletePolyandry is still out, then.
I look forward "with some trepidation" to hearing about a 10km asteroid aimed at Tampa Bay. That will be quick. McMegan and the
ReplyDeleteBoy Wonder are going to found a Dynasty.
Think on that, ye mortals, and despair...
Also: women cannot marry men who are not their intellectual equals or superiors, women can only marry males who are older than they are (wonder why Megan didn't relay that one) and so on and so forth. I mean, I'm glad she knew she wanted to get married early and I'm glad it worked out for her. But to extrapolate your personal anecdote into a prescription for all female undergrads at Princeton...
ReplyDeleteHoly cow, that's why Megan was so taken with it: it's not often she encounters a person with a blind spot bigger than her own.
All that thinking and stress increases blood flow to their brains, and then their ladyparts shrivel up. It must be true--John Derbyshire said so.
ReplyDeleteWell, since she brought it up, may I just say that when I first got wind of Megan-Jane's upcoming nuptials a couple years ago, "Thank goodness she found Mr. Right, and didn't settle for less" was not what crossed my mind. More like, "Ah, finally found another trustfunder libertarian who couldn't afford to upgrade his kitchen appliances, either."
ReplyDeleteDidn't McArdle just write this? What's going on?
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to get all weepy again, nor am I going to be the umpteenth person to point out how bad a writer she is ("By which I mean not that you should marry whoever happens to be around when you turn 22"? Seriously?). Instead, I'd like to note that McArdle treats falling in love like it's just another entry on her five-year plan. To wit:
But as a general rule, you should err on the side of marrying early. By which I mean not that you should marry whoever happens to be around when
you turn 22, but that you should be willing to recognize, at the age of
22, that you've found someone you want to marry. Right now, most
Princeton students don't think that way.
I swear, the woman's a pod.
What's the deal with her commenters, anyway? They're scumbags, but not the type of scumbags I was anticipating. These dudes sounds like they're just hanging out at the Daily Beast while the Voice for Men server gets fixed.
ReplyDelete"Tautology" means Jane Galt wins, right? (A = A!)
ReplyDeletestepford is just a state of mind, baby.
ReplyDeleteNot to disparage the overall point, but maybe Chomsky wasn't the one to go with here? Yes, his career is truly dead - all he has to fall back on is 55 years at MIT and it's been a whole three months since he's had anything published.
ReplyDeleteI swear, the woman's a pod.
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree. Pods can simulate humanity.
Glenn Reynold's mind, that is....
ReplyDeleteFor a group that likes to present itself as edgy and non-conformist, libertarians sure end up arguing in favor of pre-1960s moral standards, like, a lot. Not only 'get married young', but 'Women, get married young because otherwise you'll turn into old maids' (in a disguised form.) And not just that, but that, delivered in a hemming, hawing, barely digestible packet of pre-emptive ass-covering. It's one thing to self-examine one's ideas to check for flaws, but Megs doesn't even believe her own propaganda.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me, if one truly believed in the dynamic, life-changing magic of the market, they'd evangelize about taking in as much as you can while you're still young. And if someone was actually committed to defying old-fashioned moral standards, they'd at least bring up non-marital relationships of some sort, let alone marrying later.
The conclusion, of course, is what Roy gets right away. Awesome free-market magic is for People of Breeding. You people, on the other hand, should be happy just to not end up old and alone.
Not to be cruel, but I somehow doubt that McMegan chose to marry late. More like a variance of my rule: Some people choose abstinence. Others have it thrust upon them.
ReplyDeleteBe careful where you ask that.
ReplyDeleteYou people underlies almost everything the woman's ever written. It's why, despite her professed libertarianism, she's demonstrated her willingness--eagerness, even--to be oligarchy's handmaiden. She can't wait for the sheep to be separated from the goats, so she can finally prove to everyone she belongs with the 1%.
ReplyDeleteNow that she's uncoupled from the economics beat and can't throw some numbers on top of her bullshit logic, it's more obvious.
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ReplyDeleteCompletely unrelated, but it brings to mind something Charlie Pierce wrote a couple of weeks ago about Republican infighting: "This is what you get when you put five weasels in a barrel and roll it down a hill." My new favorite mental image!
ReplyDeleteHey, it's certainly possible to be contrary to logic or decency. Often at the same time.
ReplyDeleteIt seems, especially with the advent of paid blogging, that a trend is
ReplyDeletedeveloping, where saying very little of worth with a great many words is
not only happening, but is being encouraged as a stylistic
rule-of-thumb,
George Will was a pundit in good standing long before the internet, if not before human mastery of fire. And the liberal New York Times hired David Brooks when blogging still sounded like something that required you to change your toddler's clothes. I guess it's made stupid and/or mendacious sophistry more egalitarian and widely distributed, but the trend was already well underway.
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ReplyDeleteCareful; the next step is usually falling for a lesbian Wiccan.
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despite her professed libertarianism
ReplyDeleteYou misspelled "due to."
I want to spend a lazy afternoon with this comment in a fort I've constructed of thesauri and Oxford English Dictionaries.
ReplyDeleteMcArdle: Obviously, you can choose not to settle. I did.
ReplyDeleteI don't know much about Suderman, but from reading McArdle if he is at all sane then someone did a lot of settling to make Megan's late marriage happen and it wasn't her.
Friedman's metaphor mix-mangler: mistaking "flat earth" for "level playing field". Can't think of anything snarky for something that stupid.
ReplyDeleteI count on the commenters to gist these things up for me, making me sort of a vampire reader of right-wing crap.
ReplyDeleteWhile she was still at the Atlantic, James Fallows once painstaking and specifically praised every one of his fellow contributors, saying how proud he was to work with such a fine crew. There was one notable omission, the lady with all the frying pans.
ReplyDeleteWow, that's pretty horrible. Which does "did" refer to, settling or choosing not to?
ReplyDeleteAs to his sanity, well, he DID marry her, so...
The phrase "studying for her MRS degree" is an old and irritating one. As usual, McTwaddle has made a breathless discovery of something old and discarded.
ReplyDeleteSadly, I am old enough to remember when one could find libertarians who were actually non-conformists, rather than Republicans who liked to get high. We still have a perennial mayoral candidate in SF called Starchild who is a fairly entertaining guy; his constituency, however, is the usual bunch of Perotistas.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I can tell, her appeal is this: that of the diner at the table next to yours, whose overloud conversation leaves you divided between perversely fascinated eavesdropping and asking the maitre d' if you can be seated somewhere else, perhaps next to the kitchen or in the alley.
ReplyDeleteIn fairness to the Internet, newspapers and television shows have realized this for years. If you read much sports journalism, you may be familiar with Jay Mariotti, who sustained a career in Chicago for years (despite alienating almost everyone in the business) and on ESPN as a professional troll whose ambivalence to reason made McArdle look like Bertrand Russell by comparison.
ReplyDeleteIt's just that her gastritis keeps cutting off decimal points from her calculator.
ReplyDelete"I swear, the woman's a pod."
ReplyDeleteYou're close. She's a pea-brain.
"You Should Get Married As Early As Possible, But No Earlier"
ReplyDeleteThanks, Goldilocks! Until you came along, I didn't realize that I should eat my porridge at the right temperature and get married at the right time.
"as they were in high school," you mean. And you (and I) mean tenth grade, tops.
ReplyDeleteYou'll want to be seated somewhere else, before she starts sprinking pink Himalayan salt all over your perfectly cooked entree. "Only takers have high blood pressure!"
ReplyDeleteWhen reading "Megan McCardle, Fixed" would it be irresponsible to ask "Spayed, or neutered?"
ReplyDeleteThis. I'm still getting starbursts over Megan's cooking video, in which she (I kid you not) *uses a Cuisinart to sift flour.* It's all there: The presumption that she has something to teach the masses; the preening (and entirely inappropriate) use of expensive props signifying "wealth" and "sophistication;" and the utter, utter lack of self-awareness.
ReplyDeleteI should have known that, given that I lived there for thirty years. In my defense, I've only known a single case where parental permission was sought and granted for an under-18 marriage: a 17-year-old senior at my high school got herself hitched. The last I'd heard of her, she was on her third marriage. In Australia.
ReplyDeleteMarrying late also yields the wonderful possibility of looking back upon the handful of people you THOUGHT you were gonna marry and saying "Wow, I'm so glad I didn't marry THAT one." A fairly substantial benefit, if you ask me.
ReplyDeleteOh come on, you know Megan doesn't share. Hell, someone pays her for her opinions.
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ReplyDeleteI'm sure she'd be willing to foist her opinions onto the public for free, since everything she has to say is of vital importance (at least in her own mind).
ReplyDeleteThirty years ago, she would have been standing on a corner in Manhattan with a bullhorn and a change bucket.
Not to mention not to mention the fact that marrying young doesn't really protect you from the horrors of--as I understand it--aging. Yes, it is a fact generally acknowledged that even young women who attend Ivy league schools and marry early get stretch marks, double chins, and etc... as they age. There's nothing to prevent your prince charming from, in the immortal words of my great Aunt, "changing you for two twenties when you are forty." Where on earth does Megan think all those trophy wives come from?
ReplyDeleteShe thinks SHE is the trophy wife.
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Funny, I advise people (on rare occasions) to wait till they marry, seeing as the 30s are the very Bestest decade for fun and adventure. When the40s strike One's close vision fades tho the distance vision gets better... hair starts going grey.... odd twinges in the neck... One might as well get married and have (or adopt) a kid or two. Nice to have company as One slides down hill.
ReplyDeletehen pageviews are all that matters, bad rep is no worse than good rep That explains many of the (awful) writers at "Salon".
ReplyDeleteRoy's excursions into wingnut territory reminds me a little of that TV show "Meteor Hunters". His joy on finding a pure nugget of solid crazy is similar to the gentlemen finding an iron rock. Unlike them, he doesn't often show us the depressing things (creamed-corn tin cans, rake tines, etc) he finds.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to raise a glass of the finest vintage champagne to this comment.
ReplyDeletePaying Megan for her opinions. That's like helping someone make change by giving them two tens for a five.
ReplyDeleteIs she a sheep or a goat?
ReplyDeleteThat was pretty funny. My mom taught me to use a paper bag and a sifter. I loved our sifter, I'd play with it for hours. It was handy for straining gravy lumps, too.
ReplyDeleteBTW: When I reached adulthood I learned about making gravy the correct way, and the lumps vanished. Sometimes I miss them, but I don't own a sifter, so its just as well I don't get 'em anymore.
ReplyDeleteAND don't forget "the One who got away", whom you can sniffle over while washing dishes, after you've had a fight with your spouse.
ReplyDeleteAs long as it hits somewhere in the Fish Hawk Ranch area, I say, bring on that space rock!
ReplyDeleteCan you clue me in to the technique? I'm still new at gravy.
ReplyDeleteSeparate the liquid fat from the meat, or use butter. Heat/melt until hot, then add an equal amount of flour. (Approx.) Stir or whisk until flour is cooked through and maybe shows a teeny bit of beige. Add, per tablespoon of flour, a cup of liquid: stock, broth, apple juice, orange juice, wine--use water as a last resort. Stir until it thickens. If too thick, add liquid. Too thin, bring to boil and simmer until thick enough. Add salt, pepper, minced parsley, whatever. The End.
ReplyDeleteYou can saute chopped onions/garlic in the fat/butter before adding the flour, but the only secret is, cook the flour so it doesn't taste raw, and in so doing you'll destroy all lumps. Strain out solids at the end if you want, too.
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