UPDATE. Oh speaking of Oscars, attend this especially Zhdanovite horseshit from Mark Joseph at National Review called "Lincoln’s Lost Opportunities":
First, there was the team that brought forth this film about the president who founded the Republican party, a team led by the blue-state heroes Steven Spielberg, screenwriter Tony Kushner, author Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Daniel Day-Lewis....Oh wait, it gets better:
There is another surefire way to keep traditionalist audiences away from a movie, and the makers of Lincoln played that card as well: bad language...And another thing: What was all that anti-businessman talk in Citizen Kane? No wonder America hates Hollywood!
“Sadly, the movie also contains about 40 obscenities and profanities, including four ‘f’ words and more than 10 GDs,” noted MovieGuide, a site that a good number of traditionalists consult before attending movies...
UPDATE 2. Jesus, Nate Silver knows everything.
UPDATE 3. Post-Oscar whining commences; I assume tomorrow there'll be plenty of rightwing argh-blargh about Michelle Obama's appearance. (Here's an early return from Todd Starnes on Twitter: "Tonight was supposed to be about Hollywood - but Mrs. Obama made it about herself." The concern of a Fox News shouter for the noble traditions of Hollywood is touching.) Meanwhile at National Review, somebody named Gina R. Dalfonzo:
Whatever one thinks of the movies being honored, and however fervently one roots for one’s favorites, there’s a depressing sameness to the annual Oscar ritual these days."These days"?
Chris Loesch was tweeting about how conservatives need to quit “belittling” pop culture, and start recognizing “the importance of engaging in and making good art.” He made a very good point. But the engaging would be so much easier if, on occasions like these, Hollywood’s best and brightest would give us something to work with.The Oscars gets a billion viewers worldwide every year. Why would they give a fuck what conservatives think? See "market, free."
Still -- do read my Voice thing. They beat us if we don't deliver traffic.
UPDATE 4. Also at National Review, Wesley "Make Sure to Include My Middle Initial, I'm a Pompous Ass" Smith:
Can you imagine the Oscars allowing anyone to host the big show who had mocked defenseless minorities? No? Well, think again. This year’s host, Seth McFarlane, created Family Guy, a show which castigated the late Terri Schiavo as a “vegetable”...I await Smith's denunciations of those who wring humor from the tragedy of people slipping on banana peels.
"I believe that with the mathematically inevitable collapse of the
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Mmmmm: tasty, nutritious silver. Also, any potential lycanthropic apocalypse will be stillborn.
After civilization collapses, my currency is gonna be koku, salt, and cacao beans.
I do love how the gold and silver nuts never seem to consider how limited the quantities are of that stuff, and how quickly any moron flashing that around is going to get heisted...
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna start hoarding guitar strings and vacuum tubes. Solder, too.
ReplyDelete"if the Rabbit People are frightened over the exposure of a single fake book reviewer, this announcement of a large scale public protest by gun owners should have them seriously popping pellets," cheered Vox Day.
ReplyDeleteI know what all of those words mean and yet still can't interpret it. As for the protest, I saw one guy who'd magic markered the back of a piece of a flat screen TV box. Underwhelming.
...Harry C. Alford, CEO of the Black Chamber of Commerce...told us that "the National Rifle Association was started, founded by religious leaders, who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan....
ReplyDeleteUh...huuuh. Let's suppose that were true. The Catholic Church was founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect children from Roman pedophiles. How's that working out for them?
If an organization feels it needs to be judged by what it was a hundred or a thousand years ago, clearly its problems go deeper than just bad P.R.
Umm, couple of notes... it's "Yakima," Washington. And, buried in the second page is a quote that beggars description: "Even on a grey, datwitchydees stood on the stairs of the [New Hampshire] State House and filled the plaza in front," while the Granite Grok quote actually reads, "Even on a grey, dark day with intermiteant ]sic] spitting snow (thankfully,
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Now, I think "datwitchydees" might make a suitable epithet someday, but, ol' Granite Heinlein Fan might object to being misquoted.
To hell with gold and silver. If you really want to be king in the post-apocalypse, stock up on toilet paper, cigarettes, and bottled water.
ReplyDelete"if the Rabbit People are frightened over the exposure of a single fake book reviewer"
ReplyDeleteI don't know who the fake book reviewer is supposed to be, but Gamma Rabbit isn't frightened. Gamma Rabbit is slightly puzzled, but in the end, still tolerates these people's bizarre right to be bizarre, bizarre people, when they're not hurting others.
Beyond that, want to see the economy collapse overnight? Just indulge the gold bugs and watch it happen. These idiots think that their fifty bucks worth of gold coins will magically become $50 million. Hell, they might, but bread will be $100 million a loaf.
ReplyDeleteDo these guys not understand how little gold there is in federal reserves today? Do they not understand that the gold standard was making the Great Depression even worse (which is why FDR's administration partially removed us from that standard early in his first term)? Do they not understand the concept of agreed-upon value?
All rhetorical questions. Of course they don't.
I think maybe "trigger-fingers" was meant, too.
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The Republican Party was once the foremost defender of the rights of African-Americans.
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Might be a reference to this:
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... as an example of how absorbed the "Rabbit People" (i.e., liberals) are with the trivial, when the manly men of the Tea Party are out defending real important stuff, such as their surrogate penises.
the mathematically inevitable collapse
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ReplyDeleteWell, the NRA was formed in 1871, the same year that Grant signed the Enforcement Act of 1871, an anti-KKK bill, so make of that what one will. Still, as DA suggests, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, as they say on Wall Street.
ReplyDeleteAnd, given the frothing at the mouth among the gun nutz that Obama's election has induced, it's rather apparent that there's been, ahem, a racial component to the NRA's current round of bombast.
That's why it's a little difficult for me to laugh at this article of Roy's. These people talk like they're ready to give up on elections and public pressure and just start shooting random brown people.
ReplyDeleteVox Day's contribution reminded me of what Strong Sad said to Coach Z. "I rarely know what you're talking about."
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ReplyDeleteWhat's a traditionalist audience? Do they watch only silent movies or something?
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ReplyDeleteVox Day (Vox Dei, yuk, yuk, get it?) is well known on the science blogs for trolling threads, ranting incoherently about atheists, and the dangers of wimmen who refuse to be content as the Lord's baby factories and them colored folks who refuse to know their place. He'd regularly get his ass handed to him and then leave declaring victory. I always pictured him strutting around like a pro wrestler bad guy in a lucha libre costume.
ReplyDeleteYeah, he recently got his ass handed to him by SF author John Scalzi, and had the same reaction.
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ReplyDeleteMichelle Obama announcing the Best Movie Oscar will probably produced enough bile for next week's piece, Roy.
ReplyDeleteHis guest, Gun Owners of America president Larry Pratt, told Obama through the camera that if he "starts playing the massacre game the way you did at Waco, well, you're going to get surrounded, you won't be able to go home safely, your family won't be safe."
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Given the context, I'm assuming 'Moral Majority' needed some dusting off. Note, however, that they're not even claiming 'majority' anymore.
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First, there was the team that brought forth this film about the president who founded the Republican party, a team led by the blue-state heroes Steven Spielberg, screenwriter Tony Kushner, author Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Daniel Day-Lewis....
ReplyDeleteSeeing that Lincoln is a blue-state hero, this is only proper.
Who needs currency? I'll just guard my wild raspberry bushes with extreme prejudice.
ReplyDeleteBut the engaging would be so much easier if, on occasions like these, Hollywood’s best and brightest would give us something to work with.
ReplyDeleteAmong the nominees this year were a biopic of the first Republican president, a movie that ends with two young people marrying and starting a restaurant, and not one but two movies about American military-types triumphing over Muslim bad guys. If these guys want material for 'Actually, Hollywood is all about conservative values if you think about it' articles, they should have had a field day with a very small-c conservative lineup (compare 2006, when it came down to Brokeback Mountain, Crash, Transamerica, Syriana, and Good Night and Good Luck., let alone any vintage New Hollywood year in the '70s). But they're not big-c conservative, conservative at the expense of art, drama, and nuance, conservative in the sense that the only purpose they serve is to advance contemporary Republican goals.
In other words, they're not propaganda, and the only thing these whiners would be happy with is propaganda. For the most far-gone among them, it's all they can understand. That's why they always feel shut out. It's not because they're offering conservative ideas, it's because they're not offering ideas, period. Lots of filmmakers already use conservative ideas, they just do more with them than 'rah rah, go team, vote Republican.' That's why they get the Oscars, and these guys are left wondering why their latest attempt to 'engage the culture' died like a wet fart in a crowded room.
Maybe they're the ones that liked Walter Huston better in D.W. Griffith's version of Abraham Lincoln. Or, perhaps, they're the ones who think the current version is inauthentic, because the word, "fuck," was invented by hippies in 1968.
ReplyDeleteAh, they're just confused because Bill Clinton was the first black President.
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ReplyDelete"... their latest attempt to 'engage the culture' died like a wet fart in a crowded room."
ReplyDeleteUmm, that would be "An American Carol," right?
But the engaging would be so much easier if, on occasions like these, Hollywood’s best and brightest would give us something to work with.
ReplyDeleteTypical moocher, looking for a handout.
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“Sadly, the movie also contains about 40 obscenities and profanities,
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So "traditionalists" would like their period dialog distorted to fit contemporary language codes? I am surprise.
This. This is what gets me. The guys who have guns so no one will take their stuff are perfectly willing to just hand over their stuff to anyone who agrees that guns are cool. Come the revolution, when you run out of ammo because you were buying precious metals or NRA memberships, a silver-clad coin with a picture of a gun on it isn't going to keep someone with a pointy stick from stealing your food.
ReplyDeleteYeah, we'll just sort of skip over all that Gilded Age, Republicans handing out corporate cash on the floor of the Senate, Teapot Dome, Republican Roaring Twenties boom and big, big depressing bust, commie-hunting blacklist, Army-McCarthy hearings, Allen and John Foster Dulles tag-team matches against every desperate, destitute country throughout the `50s, Nixonian skulduggery, Ronnie Raygun war crimes, high crimes, misdemeanors and runaway debt, GHWB's manufactured wars, GWB's manufactured wars, torture, domestic surveillance and runaway debt and general fuckwittery, we'll skip over all that bullshit, and concentrate on how we should have been the ones to make a movie about Lincoln, the Republican, because, y'know, Republican.
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there’s a depressing sameness to the annual Oscar ritual
ReplyDeleteIf you're expecting novelty in a ritual, you may be unclear on the concept.
The 'baggers would poop their pants if they went up against the rabbit people"
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Because Glenn Beck doesn't have it for sale on The Blaze?
Because they wouldn't fucking know it if they tripped over it?
It is immoral to leave fools in possession of their money, D.Sidhe. If they can simultaneously believe that the value of an ounce of gold is intrinsic and universal, and also that the price of gold will increase many-fold after the collapse of world currencies and turn them all into fapocalyptic millionaires, then there is no help for them. Crank Magnetism, how does it work?
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Like how metaphoric sexual penetration of the body has come to be more acceptable than the actuality. Language as fetish.
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ReplyDeleteA bit odd there's not been more conversation about "The Master" not receiving any nominations outside of acting. It is an interesting movie that is very different than anything else and works against pretty much any expectations, which I suppose is reason enough to be ignored. But given that it's a grand period film made by a critic's darling with undeniably great acting, it seems that under normal circumstance it would have been up for awards in most of the major categories. It seems not unreasonable to speculate that its exclusion was due to adherents intolerance to anything that can remotely be considered as an attack on their beliefs. And, as is not unusual in these cases, it was fiction and not even a fiction that attacked anyone's beliefs. The leader was portrayed as a complex human being and a couple minor characters questioned his godliness. But in the end, his methods for the most part (arguably) succeeded. If one looks at it as the story of Scientology rather than a work of art, it's not a negative portrayal. Thing is, it's not about Scientology. It's about people.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, it's too bad. Oscar nominations and wins tend to result in a second round of consideration for a film. But on the other hand, the academy has a long and consistent track record of not recognizing the best picture(s) of the year. Starting with "Sunrise" through Citizen Kane and past "Apocolypse Now," plenty of great films have been passed over for more forgettable, safer choices. Most Kubrick films were not nominated for best picture and he was never nominated for Best Director.
So these awards shows are fine as entertainment (morally, if not actually entertaining), but the chances of them recognizing the very best of anything is not particularly good.
Whenever I read a conservative bleating about how none of the entertainment is designed for them, I can't help but think of THX1138 and the TV show he turns on one evening: a context-free beating.
ReplyDeleteDoing the same thing over and over and somehow expecting a different result is indicative of something, right?
ReplyDeleteIn their defense it's really tough to find a good anti-slavery argument in Atlas Shrugged or anything by W. Cleon Skousen.
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be literally no distinction in the minds of people like Beck, or his religious equivalents like Pat Robertson, between pushing ideological nonsense and pushing blatantly scammy products.
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Threatening Obama's children. Classy. Was he wearing a white hood while saying this by any chance?
ReplyDeleteI will always be fascinated by conservative scolds who just tally the number of profanities, nip-slips, sexual comments, and blood spurts in a movie and just leave the list out there as if it serves, on its own, as some kind of point.
ReplyDeleteAre these people under the impression that, if one f-bomb will damage their child's mind, four f-bombs will damage it four times as much?
Shorter Roger L. Simon: “Everything changed for me on September 11. I used to consider myself a Democrat, but thanks to 9/11, I’m outraged that Ronald Reagan appeared at the 1981 Oscars."
ReplyDeleteWell, yeah. The Oscars are famous for celebrating well-made middlebrow horseshit, especially if it pretends to be somehow Important*. Driving Miss Daisy? Dances With Wolves? Crash? Gandhi? Monster's Ball? Forest Gump? Braveheart? Titanic? Weird, challenging, hard-to-place movies never get their due at this ceremony, and that's fine - the purpose of the event is to celebrate and promote mainstream Hollywood, not to honor those films that actually push the medium forward. That's what critical posterity is for.
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"Can you imagine the Oscars allowing anyone to host the big show who had
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Seth McFarlane, created Family Guy, a show which castigated the late
Terri Schiavo as a “vegetable”..."
Not mocked defenceless mnorities? I assume this guy has never watched "Family Guy".
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ReplyDeleteRecently I read that the more Americans go to church the more adamant they tend to be about the Second Amendment as a sacred right.
ReplyDeleteYup. It's not unusual, however, for weird, challenging movies from famous directors to at least get nominated, which was my original point. Had "The Master" not been loosely based on L. Ron. Hubbard, I suspect it would have been included in all the major categories. Maybe not, though. It is an uncomfortable experience with no obvious message.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. Isn't the next scare supposed to be the elimination of cash? Replacing it with credits? Bank accounts are pretty much automated in most places. Still, who has a problem with cash?
ReplyDeleteOh. My. Dawg. That almost makes me want to shed a tear for the poor little morons.
ReplyDeleteIn their defense of Terri Schiavo, they mocked her. She was a woman who wanted to be thin so badly that she purged after eating until her organs failed. So what did those conservatives do for her? They made sure she was shown on television globally, lying like a beached whale in a hospital bed, and they talked about how it would be her choice to feed through a tube.
ReplyDeleteWhen people mock Terri Schiavo, they're mocking the conservative side-show that was built around her brain dead body.
I sure would like to know how Family Guy "castigated" someone who was in a persistent vegetative state.
ReplyDelete"Chris Loesch was tweeting about how conservatives need to quit 'belittling' pop culture, and start recognizing 'the importance of
ReplyDeleteengaging in and making good art.' He made a very good point. But the
engaging would be so much easier if, on occasions like these,
Hollywood’s best and brightest would give us something to work with.
This is my favorite: tone-deaf indignation in the service of something that literally makes no sense. "Making good art" isn't something you do once "Hollywood" gives you "something to work with." That's like saying, "Sure, I could be a better cook--if only restaurants would start using quality ingredients."
You make art (and entertainment), not from what Hollywood "gives" you, but from everything else in the universe, i.e., from what I call "life." As usual, it's both hilarious and faintly dispiriting to have to point this out to the wingnutterati. But one must, because they literally don't know the difference between culture and propaganda, bless their hearts.
By which you mean, "because it doesn't make them feel like they have big dicks," right?
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ReplyDeleteif the lead made themselves look ugly and/or played someone with a mental illness or handicap.
ReplyDeleteSo long as they don't go full retard. The Academy doesn't like that.
Yes, and they scream and duck when there's an image of a train approaching.
ReplyDeleteI think the instructive episode was when some looney went into a Librul church to shoot up some libruls and they caught him and sat on him until the cops showed up.
ReplyDeleteI'll be breeding blue heelers.
ReplyDeleteDamned if a couple of seconds didn't tick by with me wondering if maybe I was the one who didn't know the meaning of "castigate."
ReplyDeleteHaven't seen Lincoln so don't know for sure, but if they're using fuck in reference to anything other than actual fucking, it's not period. That's a later linguistic innovation.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't seem to be occurring to these suckers that the people selling them gold are quite happily accepting large amounts of fiat money in payment for it.
ReplyDeleteThere is another surefire way to keep traditionalist audiences away from a movie, and the makers of Lincoln played that card as well: bad language...
ReplyDeleteMy fucking Christ, a boring-ass civics lesson made almost $200 million to date --- $200 fucking million! — Do they even know the mike is on at this point?
My mother was a dowager; wealthy, sure, but she turned her wealth and influence towards governance, even helping to select the leader of her home country. The man she chose was a rude, impertinent charlatan, aided by an unscrupulous Italian and an abusive, mute Jew who enjoyed harassing honest street peddlers. These men made my mother's life a living hell on a regular basis, and I can assure you that while some were amused by their antics, my family was certainly not.
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Um, William Jennings Bryan would like a word.
This plan is prohibitively expensive and might lead to someone's mail carrier getting murdered but is otherwise a foolproof way to troll wingnuts irl:
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". . .the president who founded the Republican party. . ."
ReplyDeleteTwenty seconds in Wikipedia brought this little factoid.
(An aside: My sister used to live in Jackson. She was probably the only person in town not working directly or indirectly for the state prison.)
well, it does come right after the 1st commandment, "Thou shalt not kill". Makes perfect sense.
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ReplyDeleteIf any person or group is "behind" these shootings, it'd be the NRA. Always means a boom in firearms sales.
ReplyDeleteIt's like celebrating smoking weed on 4/20, if weed had resulted in the deaths of dozens of children.
ReplyDeleteI've seen the Family Guy episode in question, and Smith's recollection of it is, shall we say, not exactly true. They weren't mocking poor Schiavo, they were mocking the circus sideshow that had sprouted up all around her, courtesy of the same reactionaries that Wesley Smith presumably approves of. Hell, he's one of them.
ReplyDeleteNot that I'm a fan of FG these days. I enjoyed it for a while there, but it eventually fell into the same trap that claimed South Park, i.e. substituting out-and-out cruelty for humor. Still, an inaccurate claim is an inaccurate claim. Smith doesn't know what he's talking about here. Either that, or he's deliberately lying.
Haven't followed the link. Does the National Review nimrod genuinely believe that a Hollywood collaboration did their best to drive a potential audience away from their movie? Or is this just random grievance-mongery and ressentiment?
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ReplyDeleteMy favorite bit of Mark Joseph's Zhdanovite horseshit:
ReplyDelete"a team led by the blue-state heroes Steven Spielberg, screenwriter Tony Kushner, author Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Daniel Day-Lewis. To understand the message that the makeup of this team sent to Lincoln’s natural fan base, one would have to imagine the reaction had the gay community learned that Milk, the biopic about one of the most beloved members of its community, was going to be directed by Clint Eastwood, star Mel Gibson, be based on a book by David Barton, with a screenplay written by Dinesh D’Souza."
OK, I get the objections to Spielberg (a Democrat), Kushner (gay), maybe Kearns Goodwin (the subtitle of "No Ordinary Time" wasn't "when we had a Marxist in the White House," like Amity Schlaes's better-regarded work).
Daniel Day-Lewis, though? Is there something liberal about cobbling that I missed at the fellow-travelers meeting? Is Joseph confusing him with Sean Penn?
They're so weird. In an alternate universe where Clint Eastwood directed Lincoln, I can't imagine reacting in any other way than "that sounds like something he'd do." And if it starred Mel Gibson, I know that my first reaction would be "I bet his accent is going to suck."
Dude, here in Illinois we're so over Lincoln. That's one of the things I miss about being from the Republican red states down south: the almost sacred regard with which Lincoln is held.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised Eastwood didn't direct it. Gibson might have been an interesting choice too. Both are actually very talented people who happen to be conservative and actually half-crazy (but not because they are conservative, they just seem a tad screwy these days). Gibson's Lincoln would have avenged his son's enlistment though by killing Grant with his bare hands, but he would have brought something to the role.
ReplyDeleteHis choice of source material and screenwriting, of course, would have made the effort laughably bad. And this is where they just don't get it.
Feckin' Wittgenstein.
ReplyDeleteTo understand the message that the makeup of this team sent to Lincoln’s natural fan base
ReplyDelete"Natural fan-base"? So no-one who is not rigid conservative is even allowed to admire Lincoln?
You have to admire the attempt to stake a claim on the guy as the exclusive intellectual property of NRO readers.
Anyone checked out Big Hollywood today? Christian Toto has completely lost it over the Michelle Obama appearance.
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ReplyDeleteI keep wondering if this isn't some sooper sekrit coad which I don't have the key too. It has been 5 years now that they have been blathering about B. Hussein Malcolm X Kenyan Debbil Obama like this and yet it seems that none of what they have been predicting has even begun to start to begin.
For a plausible writer I can sort of picture Mamet, though with Eastwood/Gibson/Mamet doing Lincoln you're starting to get pretty weird... not weird bad necessarily, just weird increasing box office risk.
ReplyDeleteMamet would have written a wonderful melancholy Lincoln: "There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, go ahead, be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way. A hell exists on earth? Yes. I won't live in it. That's me. [PAUSE] You ever take a dump made you feel like you've just slept for twelve hours?"
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ReplyDeleteSo they're distancing themselves from John C Fremont like they do all their losers?
ReplyDeleteThe punchline, of course, is that if you ask them whether he was justified in invading the South during the Civil War, the respect begins to disappear mighty quick.
ReplyDeleteThey like him as a mascot, I guess. As a politician, not so much.
I don't really know/care. The thing was titled "Lincoln's Lost Opportunities" and he wrote about how the language drove some of the audience away. An audience, not for nothing, that has some Hollywood producer trying to figure out how to make a sequel out of it as we speak. Probably a prequel or a reboot or something 3-D or showing the soldiers who couldn't remember the Gettysburg Address getting blown up, only to be avenged by the black guy who could, or something. It might even have to do with robots. Or Grant. Or nothing. Or a freed slave who seeks revenge against slave society. Oh, wait.
ReplyDeleteAnd the ADAA was, of course, one of the biggest contributors to Obama's re-election campaign! Dots, sheeple, etc.
ReplyDeleteFrom your links I jumped to the front page of Big H'Wood. Lot of bylines from Ben Shapiro and some guy named Wynton Bell. What I didn't see were any of the brave conservative actors they used to boast about. So apparently Dwight Schultz is still capable of embarrassment.
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ReplyDeleteThat is funny on so many levels, not least of which is that it is possibly true.
ReplyDeleteAlso Lincoln wasn't played by Chuck Norris.
ReplyDeleteHe thinks the guys in suits are Obama's "hipped (sic) hop posse".
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ReplyDeleteSmut, old chum, the "gold brick" scam is such a treasured (heh) part of the grifter's repertoire, it passed into the U.S. lexicon a long time ago.
Alright, which of these spiky weirdos is you?
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ReplyDelete"You shoot a man in the head, Booth, you'd best be prepared to finish the job!"
Eastwood would never make such a stupid casting decision based on the politics of the actor. He may be some kind of conservative, but he's not an incompetent movie-making conservative. See "Mystic River," and probably everything else he's done.
ReplyDeleteBut if he ever does go full retard and feels the need to answer Speilberg's Lincoln, I'd vote for David Zucker and Kelsey Grammar as the best possible writer and star. Niles could play Lee Harvey Oswald.
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ReplyDeleteI think the nuttiest among the goldbugs really do think that Goldline et al are taking 'worthless' paper money in exchange for gold because they're trying to give the real American patriots a hand, out of the goodness of their own heart, and are resigned to going utterly bankrupt because of it. And they say we don't understand capitalism!
ReplyDeleteThey like him because he's popular and Republican. There is literally no other reason. They certainly don't like him for the reasons that he's popular.
ReplyDeleteSee I didn't even know Dwight Schultz was conservative even though I'm a big fan of Howling Mad Murdock and Reginald Barclay, which is fine, because I don't know the political inclinations of 90% of actors, even the ones I like. Because I like them as actors. I can admire their talent even if they have a stupid opinion about the capital gains tax.
ReplyDeleteConservative bloggers need to work on making that distinction.
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ReplyDeleteEleven o'clock, surely.
ReplyDeleteI grow tired of the Lincoln fans hanging around with the stove pipe hats, etc.
ReplyDelete"Hello" one says to them
"Four score and seven years..." they say back.
Then it's all folky aphorisms about caulking mixtures and mules.
If I didn't have the Gettysburgers and Fries franchise, I'd chase them off.
Be careful, they write those aphorisms on the backs of shovels.
ReplyDeleteEvery single last one of those rat-bastard Von Trapps.
ReplyDelete...did you cross your legs?
ReplyDeleteActually, quite a few of them collect jars of... Actually, I'm pretty sure this joke is going to make me sad. As you were.
ReplyDeleteD'oh! *scribbles reminder to herself on post-it and sticks it to screen* Scroll all the way down, then don't post anyway.
ReplyDeleteI would split firewood for this comment's winter.
ReplyDeleteGibson's John Wilkes Booth would be a sinister-looking Jew, and his Lincoln would have a fifteen minute speech about freedom before exipring.
ReplyDeleteThe juxtaposition of this sub-thread and the earlier one about Terry Schiavo is apt. Big Hollywood's responses to environmental stimuli also seem to be purely spinal reflexes.
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ReplyDeleteSchultz has written for Breitbart, but not for a while.
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My favorite is the column where he's shocked and surprised Paul Newman actually was NICE TO HIM despite being a dirty commie monster.
Schultz is currently on David Horowitz sidekick's Jamie Glazov's... thing. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUqCK5RFjwgmx2z4sOjqd-kQ&feature=plcp
And I still believe that. Also, if you commit any preversions you'll have to answer to the Coca Cola company.
ReplyDeleteThey're like Christians. (Okay, many of them are Christians, but hear me out.) It's not that they think these people are acting out of the goodness of their hearts, it's that they believe in an afterlife and you don't. As in, "These guys want my fiat money now because they know they don't have what it takes to survive the coming race war/OWG/whatever, so they plan to do that grasshopper thing where they party all summer and fall over dead in the winter.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, you, you wise non-bullion allegedly precious metal collector and gun hoarder, are the ant. You have prepared yourself for the upcoming tribulations, and you know that you are saved, by dint of your superior character and skillset and airproof non-hybrid seed vault. There is a place reserved for you in the afterlife (or lives, anyway, of all those people who don't have your training or balls or iodine tablets or hand-loading equipment) and in the heaven that is your bunker, stocked with emergency rations and slightly musty surplus blankets and Uno decks.
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It's all down to when you want to live and how. If you want to be happy now and possibly miserable after you die, you are probably some kind of atheist commie who will not survive the first six months because you will insist on sharing any supplies you may have on hand. If you want to sacrifice now to survive later, you are probably one of Richard Viguerie's favorite marks.
(Yes, I do spend a lot of time listening to these people. It sort of goes along with belonging to support groups for paranoid schizophrenics.)
See also: Adam Baldwin. (It helps that the two roles I know him best as--Jayne from Firefly and that guy in Chuck--are kind of thugs anyway.
ReplyDeleteMel Gibson's Lincoln would have been on a par with Mel Gibson's Hamlet.
ReplyDeleteThat unruly hair disguised the fact that JWB only winged him, and they chase each other across the West.
ReplyDelete...hold on, I think we've got something here.
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ReplyDeleteAs may be, but describing Schiavo as a "minority" has got to be nonstandard.
ReplyDeleteThe context of the movie's single F-bomb (I've seen it twice and they are completely making up three of them) is a guy saying "Well, I'll be fucked."
ReplyDeleteIs this one of those "make $7000 from home" things?
ReplyDeleteSteal a few scenes from 'Seraphim Falls' and you're done!
ReplyDeleteThe Juice are running Hollywood, you know.
ReplyDeleteBut see, since they're On A Mission, they can watch all the vile filth they want without fearing God's wrath.
ReplyDeleteVictoria Jackson as Mary Todd. Perfect.
ReplyDeleteMamet's Lincoln would have a 15-minute deathbed speech championing Booth's 2nd Amendment rights.
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