...about the Obama drone program coverage, and how it makes Obama Hitler -- and for once I sort of agree with the rightbloggers, or would if I believed they meant anything they said; experience has taught me better than that, though, and so I tell the world.
Nonetheless, Chomsky was right: All the Presidents from Truman through Obama deserve war crimes trials. But like Hamlet said, if we were all treated after our just desserts, who'd 'scape whipping?
Let he who is without sin launch the first drone.
ReplyDeleteWhipping improves most desserts, now that you mention it.
ReplyDeleteIf a Republican was launching drone strikes they'd be loudly cheering.
ReplyDeleteThe Republican approach to critiquing foreign policy is like if you took 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' and replaced 'wolf' with 'Hitler.'
ReplyDeleteObama's drone strikes are like gay porn: Republicans can't admit that it gives them a woody.
ReplyDeleteDrone murders of American citizens follows directly from torture which follows indefinite detentions which follows warrantless wiretaps--all of which the Right was absolutely okay with. Drone memos owe their existence to torture memos, and they friggin' loved the torture memos.
ReplyDeletePoliticians do not give up power once they have achieved it. The Right has enabled us into this horseshit. But if they haven't done anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about, right?
I'm more in favor of murdering inane drones (IYKWIM&ITYD) than murder-by-drone.
ReplyDeleteThe End is Imminent, so no need to panic.
ReplyDeleteYet, paradoxically, they don't think Hitler was "unreasonable".
ReplyDeleteSo... I guess I won't see you at Save the Robots, eh?
ReplyDeleteAh, there's the heart of the matter. The thing that really chaps their ass is that Obama is the best Republican president since Clinton, who was the best Republican president since Ike.
ReplyDeleteI'm still gobsmacked over that. All the jokes about how the right would say anything if Obama disagreed with it, and along comes the National Review, probably the biggest pretender to the throne of Serious Conservative Thought, with "Y'know, that Hitler fella had some good ideas." Totally unprovoked! Amazing.
ReplyDeleteHas she written anything since, or has she been shoved down the memory hole, much like GWB?
ReplyDeleteOh dear, don't tell me it's an Ashes year again.v: (
ReplyDeleteAlso, they save all the videos for later delectation, too.
ReplyDeleteIt's like being a deficit hawk, remember the concern about the deficit when W dropped 5 trillion on the deficit? Of course not, it never happened.
ReplyDeleteBut like Hamlet said, if we were all treated after our just desserts, who'd 'scape whipping?
ReplyDeleteAlternatively, we could apply the Friedman/Ledeen doctrine to chief executives.
"You don't think we care about our experiment in self-government, you think this criminal imperial enterprise, we're just gonna to let it grow? Well Suck. On. This. I say every ten years or so, we need to pick up some crappy little president and throw him in the dock, just to show them we mean business."
I know we're thirty years overdue, but a guy can dream.
Jeez... really? The closest equivalent to today's teabagger wingnuts in Eisenhower's time was Joe McCarthy, and we all know how Tailgunner Joe felt about Ike.
ReplyDeleteNo, no, NO... the videos are saved because they require lengthy, comprehensive study to determine just how much of a threat they are to traditional family values. Lengthy, comprehensive, EXHAUSTING study...
ReplyDeleteI'm more interested in the news that the Pope quit. That's happened, like, once in the last couple of millenia, I think.
ReplyDeleteI would have been inclined to cut Bush a tiny bit of slack if he had sent a drone to Baghdad in 2003 to take out Saddam Hussein in a targeted strike instead of launching a "Shock & Awe" (tm) campaign that leveled the heart of the city followed by a full blast invasion. Then he could have gotten down to the serious business of wrecking the economy and the social safety net. Still, the choice too often posed is between drone strikes or boots on the ground. Rarely considered is the more rational choice between war and NO war.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but they long had to deny their love for him because history regards him as a monster, although, as I wrote earier, they did come out and say that Hitler was not "unreasonable".
ReplyDelete"I can't fap to this... yet."
ReplyDeleteHe wants to spend more time with this family.
ReplyDeleteCap'n Ed: The use of American citizens for that kind of infiltration is a real danger
ReplyDeleteYes. Yes, it is.
His brother is 89--four years older than Benedict. So I'm willing to bet that's actually a motive.
ReplyDeleteTwo things come to mind:
1) Time to make a big bowl of popcorn and tune in to WKLO--if you're a big fan of overwrought drama.
2) On the other hand, she'll actually have an idea who the potential candidates for pontiff are, as well as their merits. (Safe to say we won't be rooting for her favorites.) I don't think there's been enough turnover in the College of Cardinals to bring us anyone significantly different from Benedict, so we can probably expect a continued slide into whiny conservative irrelevancy.
Needless to say, one of Roy's perennial favorites, Feldmarschall Ralph von Peters, is totally DOWN with what the headline writer calls Bam’s wise kill-don’t-capture rule. Peters hasn't been this tumescent during a Democratic administration since the Phoenix Program. (He's still waiting for that Honorary Doctorate from School of the Americas -- currently The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation. How's that for Orwellian?)
ReplyDeleteIn what passes for Peter's mind, any blame or credit for Obama's drone attack policy goes entirely to... Bush? Rumsfeld? CIA? Nope. Lefist thug-huggers:
By insisting that we had to treat captured terrorists like prep-school kids caught in a food fight, leftists forced Obama to send in the drones.
And killing American citizens? Abraham Lincoln killed 750,00 of 'em. And they weren't even terrorists. Case closed. (I'm not making this up.)
Nice insight that The Right enabled us into becoming mass murderers on a worldwide killing spree and claiming the constitutional right for our government to kill whomever they want for whatever reason.
ReplyDeleteIt's like The Right is Anton Chekhov. It put a gun over the fireplace in act one. What's the Very Serious Liberal to do?
Of course he answer to the question of what's the Very Serious Liberal to do is always the same as the acts of the play progress. Start by offering compromise, then look the other way, then abjectly surrender, then go on to actively collaborate with The Right. Then, finally, take ownership of the crime and whine that The Right made them do it.
I've seen this play before.
The ghosts of Maura Clarke, Jean Donovan, Ita Ford and Dorothy Kazel wouldn't agree that this is anything new. If Caspar Weinberger and Alexander Haig had Predator drones half of Central America would have had craters in it.
ReplyDeleteI suspect the more apropos lesson here will be how Lyndon Johnson and his Very Serious Liberal enablers (the best and the brightest, har har) enabled Richard Nixon to commit even more ghastly war crimes in Vietnam.
ReplyDeleteOdds are good we're really gonna hate to see how whatever monster who eventually comes after Obama uses his murder doctrine.
You're kidding, of course. There *is* no choice between war and no war. War is the default choice, and the burden of proof is on the opponents of war, who are all a bunch of pacifists who don't live in the world as it is, so they can be dismissed.
ReplyDeleteBack in the day, when the only people Hitler was oppressing were those sub-human Eastern Europeans and the Spanish commies (and don't even get them STARTED on the Jews), the American (and British) right generally thought Hitler was a man they could do business with.
ReplyDeleteHence the "rarely considered"...
ReplyDelete"Desserts"? Well, I did say in law school once that "torts aren't just desserts."
ReplyDeleteI have a mildly paranoid turn of mind, but there are definitely a number of bottled-up scandals that will remained bottled no longer (large-scale cover-up of child rape; the Banco Ambrosiano affair and the stuff that followed; Ratzi's own past, which is not merely checkered, but backgammoned) and the revelations will look like Revelations. Ratzi is simply following Mick Jagger's sage advice: "When the shit hits the fan, I'll be sitting on the can."
ReplyDeleteYep. Popes' influence doesn't just depend on what they do during their reign, but also on how many cardinals they get to appoint, which depends on how long they tough it out in office; John Paul II, who was every bit as conservative as his successor (Ratzinger, after all, was basically his consigliere), wore the big hat for 27 years, and therefore had a huge influence on who would succeed him. Benny has only been in office for a fraction of that, but according to Wikipedia, he's named 90 cardinals, although I'm not sure if they can all vote in the conclave. (Yes, I used to be an altar boy, why do you ask?)
ReplyDeleteNo, England beat Brazil. It's in Revelation.
ReplyDeleteThe link you give to Eric Rudolph, one of our lovely home grown terrorists, reveals an interesting factoid: Rudolph has been permitted to publish his anti abortion/violent screeds on the internet since he was incarcerated because, according to the cited US attorney, "a prisoner doesn't lose his first amendment rights" just because he's locked up. " That strikes me as really fucking bizarre because I think that "muslim" "terrorists" and non white prisoners pretty frequently do lose their right to express their violent thoughts on the internet, or anywhere else like to their lawyers. IIRC there was a recent case--not just Bradley Manning but someone else where the guy wasn't even permitted any kind of writing or communication for fear of "inspiring" others to terroristic acts. But anti abortion and anti gay bombings aren't terrorism, I guess, just a good 'ol boy expressing himself.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed the BBC interviews with concerned British Catholics, every one of whom was so old that his/her voice quavered--in the case of the liberal nun with suppressed hope and in the case of the angry converted anglican with repressed rage and spite. English Catholics, especially converts to catholicism because Anglicanism was too squish, are a special breed of angry and they loved Ratzinger because he was so, so, ratty.
ReplyDeleteWasn't the actual wording that what Hitler did was not "senseless"?
ReplyDeleteNot only that, but Anglican and Episcopalian priests get to keep their wives if they convert, so in some cases it's a win-win aside from the theology of Pope Panzerfaust.
ReplyDeleteYes, but how many wives do they get to keep?
ReplyDeleteOnly the Mormon bishops get that deal.
ReplyDeleteThe only way to deal with the drone problem, and for progressives to change our national security policy, is for progressives to continue to work on winning elections. Once you can cost politicians their jobs, they start listening to you.
ReplyDeleteThey also need to work on influencing public opinion:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/06/the-american-public-loves-drones/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
I'm reminded of the novel Lest Darkness Fall where one of the minor characters tells the protagonist about the archbishop with two concubines. It's something like, "Everybody's not shocked about him having a concubine, every archbishop has one, but two is unheard of."
ReplyDeleteI did Nazi this coming.
ReplyDeleteDo you think it will create a fuehrer?
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You're a shrill firebagger who lets the perfect be the enemy of the good, and Tbogg has some harsh words for you, you ideological purist, you.
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P.S. Did I leave anything out? Oh, right. RALPH NADER!!11!
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"Did I leave anything out?"
ReplyDeleteWhy, yes.
Good God, Ralph Peters is still writing? I thought he'd be institutionalized by now.
ReplyDeleteThis may only be a case of there being no asylum willing to take him. Lord knows he's otherwise qualified for involuntary institutionalization.
ReplyDeleteI'm more curious about what happens if the wife croaks. Can the priest go find another one, or is it a single indulgence?
ReplyDelete"But like Hamlet said, if we were all treated after our just desserts, who'd 'scape whipping?"
ReplyDeleteWe might escape whipping, but we'd all get creamed.
> "Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?"
ReplyDelete0.) Ha! liebruls---conservatives know that there are Good People and Bad People, and they all get exactly what they deserve (except for some effects of the Evil Gummint).
1.) Whipping with garlic scapes? Kinky _and_ tenderising...
Well... some of them admit it.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Though I'm more worried about the liberals supporting the drones now, because "I trust Obama".
ReplyDelete"we're really gonna hate to see how whatever monster who eventually comes after Obama uses his murder doctrine."
ReplyDeleteI'm sympathetic to the basic argument here, but I'm having a really hard time understanding how using drones allows more ghastly war crimes than say Agent Orange, depleted uranium weapons being dropped on major metropolitan areas, covering Laos and Cambodia with land mines, supplying unlimited munitions to groups known for mass slaughter of their own people, etc.
I'm also having a hard time pinning Nixon's secret actions in Laos and Cambodia on "liberal enablers" being too nice to Lyndon Johnson. What is the causal link, direct or indirect that you see there?
People didn't know Nixon was doing it. But somehow "the liberals" enabled it, even though they didn't know about it? WTF? It also assumes "the liberals" were totally cool with Richard Nixon, which is definitely a new one on me.
Obama's use of drones is a real ethical problem. It's not a new one, though. I really don't get the reasoning that says that 1,000 people killed by drones is a greater crime than 100,000 killed by bombing with depleted uranium warheads .
And also, Michael Moore is fat!!!!!! (A bipartisan observation, that one.)
ReplyDeleteany of these drones fly over benghazi? no? carry on then.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to argue these things at length in these forums, but in short:
ReplyDelete1. The Johnson administration was responsible for the escalation in Vietnam, which certainly enabled Nixon to commit his war crimes. Had only a few advisors been there, it wouldn't have been so easy and "the liberals" who weren't so cool with Nixon may have been a bit more effective opposing him.
2. What's new with Obama is not that he's committing war crimes, even to the extent of murdering Americans; it's that he is doing it openly and arguing that it is legal. At least Nixon, Bush, et. al. had the decency to acknowledge the illegality of their actions by hiding and then denying them.
imo
Obozo is a simpleton. Wish we still at George W. Bush. This guy is a real buffoon
ReplyDeleteYour boy Obozo has ruined my great Country. This guy is a thief and should be prosecuted to fullest extent
ReplyDeleteYou are a real clear moron. Holy Cow. Amanda must be proud. Let me guess, you are an atheist
ReplyDeleteNice copy and paste cowboi. How's Amanda? At least a Catholic priest has something in life to enjoy. You are a useless, lazy piece of garbage. Kind of like your cans on the front lawn. Loser
ReplyDeleteYou into episcopalian queer bishops?
ReplyDeleteYes. The picture is stupid. You and Dark Avenger friends cowboi?
ReplyDeleteAh, you've wandered into the lions' den here, Dennis.
ReplyDeleteGood luck!
Thanks for sharing, cowboi. Why don't you post something intelligent for a change?
ReplyDeleteHey cowboi- you still over on Oliver enjoying life playing with gamer boy Zython? You 2 losers, DB, frothy and Amanda ought to make a sex tape. Call it, "4 queers and a steer"
ReplyDeleteWho is Dennis? You stalker. Enough with the pictures jack off. How's fat butt Amanda?
ReplyDeleteYou certainly seem like a religious and Godly fellow.
ReplyDeleteWell, I wouldn't say that. Obama will pretty much always be the smartest guy in the room and I genuinely like him and his family. Just don't think he's been a very good president in general and am pretty sure his attempt at giving anonymous government officials power to murder whomever they please for whatever secret reasons is a very, very, bad idea that will be abused in ways that liberals will very seriously regret when less honorable men or women wield it in the future.
ReplyDeleteOf course reasonable people may disagree.
TDA, I'm guessing he's a numerary of Opus Duh.
ReplyDeleteI am chuckling. Hysterical. Smartest guy in room? Seriously? He is a TelePrompTer nerd! Hahaha
ReplyDeleteNo copy and paste recently. Are you in withdraw? Do you really sit on these blogs all day. I will write to have your 100 pension taken away you loser. What are you Moroccan? Please leave my great country cowboi
ReplyDeleteEngland is for foreign losers. Get off American blogs
ReplyDeleteAw, we got a troll. Feisty little thing too. Hope this one's toilet trained. I still miss Conservative Guy.
ReplyDeleteHey, Tom, glad you could make it. Still pissed because I blocked you on Facebook?
ReplyDeleteYou're obviously Moronic.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, this is Tom Dufner, from New Jersey. How are you, Tommy boi?
ReplyDeleteHi, Tom Dufner.
ReplyDeleteWho is This Tom Dufner guy? I hope he finds you and kicks your ass. Something's haven't changed. You are a stalker, no good, loser butt cake. How's Amanda? You still playing with her fatass?
ReplyDeleteIt's called sticking your finger up Frank Cuffman's ass. He is as queer as you are. Franky needs a little finger blasting. Can you help him?
ReplyDeleteHave a good night, cowboi.
ReplyDeleteYou know what is really funny? You keep assuming that I am Tom Dufner and posting his name and personal information. If I were him FRANK CUFFMAN, I would have a nice little person contact you and end your stalking days. Since I am not, I will continue to post your queer ass name all over and wherever I possibly can FRANK CUFFMAN from liberal hell hole California. Why did you block me from Facebook you pussy? You scared Franky?
ReplyDeleteYou still got your head up Amanda's ass cowboi? I would do anything to have a debate with a coward copy and paste hero like yourself. You getting scared cowboi? Let me guess you flagged me you pussy? Where are all your pussy friends. Go get them and bring them over here Franky poo. You, DB, Zython Fudgepack and downtown?
ReplyDeleteYou're so kind, Tommy.
ReplyDeletePhilosoraptor: Amanda Marcotte Distorts Christina Hoff Summers's Position
ReplyDeleteThis just in stalker FRANK CUFFMAN has done it again. Amanda Marcotte is fed up with his stalking and fake relationship. His most recent obsession with her. "Philosoraptor: Amanda Marcotte Distorts Christina Hoff Summers's Position"
ReplyDeleteYou are not chuckling. I am chuckling. And don't think I don't see that "copyburn" is a palindrome for "Chris Vosberg."
ReplyDeleteYou're not going to last long here, cowboi, but thanks for demonstrating what an unoriginal troll you are.
ReplyDeleteOY it's so humid baby!!! How's your love affair with that fat pig Amanda? Have you told your wife yet or is she just as fat?
ReplyDeleteDo us all a favor, stop addressing mindless rants to people you don't know. Using Dennis's name in every post you reply to is the definition of a coward. Someday, someone will call your bluff and hopefully give you what you deserve. I won't say a skin flute since you enjoy sucking and playing the flute but knuckle sandwich would be appropriate, don't you think? Where are all your fag friends? Not protecting you cowboi?
I guess that answers my question, coward.
ReplyDeleteWhere's Amanda cowboi? Not protecting you tonight? I have flagged everyone of your posts tonight you loser
ReplyDeleteNope. Stop posting here. It is for Americans and onl Tony Blair. We don't like you obnoxious fake accent brits
ReplyDeleteA homophobic closeted Catholic?
ReplyDeleteThat sounds about right for our puffy friend here.
If you ever mention Dennis's family again and make reference to his daughters ever again, I WILL RUIN YOU. How dare you stalk another persons family you physcotic loser piece of shit FRANK CUFFMAN. You have servere mental issues and need help. Don't do it again, trust me
ReplyDeleteStop with the big words that make NO sense. You and liberal kindred need a life. I am chuckling. Sorry
ReplyDeleteDennis is married to a woman named Rebecca, and he has "two lovely daughters", as he puts it. He lives in a former mining town near Richmond, VA.
ReplyDeleteNow, do your worse, if you can.
Yes, except I've been posting here for a few years. Roy is familiar with me, and he knows nothing about you than the stupid and homophobic comments you've left on this thread.
ReplyDeleteGo home and play with your toys, Tom.
Who would be scared of a paper tiger like you, Tom?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the intellectual dialog, CB
ReplyDeleteOh Roy boy. Oh Roy boy. You jackass. You are so ugly that I am shocked Amanda evens communicates with you. You are a closet queer
ReplyDeleteDo you want to meet me FRANK CUFFMAN? When and where. Would love to ..............
ReplyDeleteYou are a STALKER wanna be cyber bully. Lets meet. Where? I would love to shove a shovel in your front no grass lawn you loser
ReplyDeleteAnd you are closet case.
ReplyDeleteNo problem. How's that fat ass Amanda doing? You still fantasizing banging Zython while Amanda's stinky twat sits on your face? You disgusting pig
ReplyDeleteI'm not afraid of you. Would you like me to report your threat to the police in that town in New Jersey you live in?
ReplyDeleteSorry, there's plenty of grass on my lawn. You're merely a boring troll who I won't respond to anymore.
ReplyDeleteHave a good life.
Obama is the latest in a line of presidents since Vietnam caught in the self-sustaining development of a "no more tears formula" for warfare. A possible bumper sticker reading SUPPORT OUR CONSOLE OPERATORS not only looks easy, but mundane, like that paper mache STAR TREK episode where abstraction of war becomes an ingredient of our lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else Ever read Amanda Marcottes blog? She has a cult like following of really sick men. I feel bad for her because one follower in particular The Dark Avenger stalks her and her fans /friends. He is really deranged and so are his buddies on her site. Go check it out
ReplyDeleteOh speaking of the stalker. Wow, I found him over here you all. The Amanda Marcotte stalker. You are a disgrace
ReplyDeleteHave a good day, cowboi.
ReplyDeleteStill stalking are we? Haven't learned your lesson DA? You are a mental midget I guess. How is that fat slob Amanda doing?
ReplyDeleteA hint; following someone around accusing them of stalking may not be achieving quite the effect you're looking for. We know TDA, and a lot of us read Amanda's blog. TDA is a rational commenter. You are a pest.
ReplyDeleteYou can't hug a child with drarms.
ReplyDeleteHey Leeds, go back to England and stay there. do us a favor and stay off American blogs. We don't like you Englanders. Furthermore, DA and you both now have admitted your love affairs with Amanda "FatSLOB" Marcotte. Nice, she is super fat
ReplyDeleteDo you always call black men "boy"? Of course you do. Asshole.
ReplyDelete"if only because at the moment the heat's on."
ReplyDeleteSo .. the back of the police station is out?