I should mention that the white-flag-waver with whom I started the column, Matt K. Lewis, has in a follow-up hedged on his original claim that "The culture war is over, and conservatives lost." Now he thinks there's a chance. Among his proof points:
The good news for cultural conservatives is that a new generation, aided by new technology, might finally conspire to change things. Young conservatives like R.J. Moeller — the man who brought comedian Adam Carolla and Dennis Prager together — are dedicating their lives to ideas and culture, not overt partisanship.Apart from creating the headline lounge act in Hell, this is what Moeller's about. I'm sure he can get people to pay him for it, but it hardly seems like a way to win hearts and minds.
UPDATE. In comments Spaghetti Lee has an angle:
I think the overtly churchy, you're-going-to-hell culture warriors are going to fade out, honestly. Who the hell is going to replace Pat Robertson or Maggie Gallagher when they bite the big one? I think we're going to see/are already seeing a rise in its more insidious cousin, the libertarian conservatives who are too hip and cool and with it for things like making sure 90% of the country actually has livable incomes and that the air and water supplies aren't full of poison...He numbers among them the Randroid priest who can talk to kids.
Moeller's a real winner. Just look (Didn't listen, so I can't give any advice other than probably best to avoid the audio.) at the outfit he's wearing in the video..
ReplyDeleteI suppose that various columnists and the blogosphere need new topics to write about.
ReplyDeleteBut the idea of the "culture war" being over is not one of their better ones.
If anything, the lines are hardening, and a single national election is not going to change that anymore than the 2010 election.
The 2010 election led to predictions of the end of the Democrats. The 2012 election has led to predictions of the end of the Republicans. None of us apparently have a memory that goes back 2 years.
Scrolling down Moeller's blog there is a post on his "social media bookclub" and he starts out "I love me some Fyodor Dostoevsky..." At this point I already knew where he would end.
ReplyDeleteHe's picked The Gambler for his book club, and I knew he would be highlighting "This is one of Dostoevsky's shortest books..." It's analogous to that stupid bear joke at so many gun-nut sites. They can't stop themselves at being predictable, and it's always predictable lameness.
I don't know how his blog works, but the start date for reading the book was last Wednesday and there are not comments yet.
Roy's right that the culture war will continue. "Conservatives" will continue to flog it not because of any deeply held convictions, but because it appeals to the only thing that is truly at the heart of the modern Conservative movement--extracting as much money from the true believers as possible.
ReplyDeleteThat's the prime reason why the GOP is amazingly good at raising money, yet has no agenda that it actually pursues beyond lowering tax rates on the wealthiest and punishing the helpless.
Only consolation: Hanns Johst Matt K. Lewis can't release the safety catch of his Browning anymore. Gun control, you see.
ReplyDelete"we mean to take the fight to downtown Tokyo!"
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's a subtle hint to potential investors that they're modeling themselves on the Doolittle raid: virtually no real impact, all aircraft lost in the mission, and the leader parachuted into a pile of shit.
I took it for a Godzilla homage: some guy in a bad rubber suit kicking over 1/40th scale cardboard buildings. Seems to fit in with the rest of their wish-fulfillment fantasies.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of Dostoevsky's shortest books
ReplyDeleteGood on Dostoevsky for writing more than one shortest book.
Moeller's "a voice in the wilderness" does not appear to be the still voice that cries in the wilderness, it's the voice of someone with degrees in business and theology; which probably sounds like a carnival barker scaring up the rubes and/or trying to get a place at a conservative teat.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, their lip-movements don't match their lines.
ReplyDelete"In WWII," he goes on, "the United States faced the problem that half of the entire planet, the Pacific Ocean, was home turf to the forces of imperial Japan
ReplyDeleteYes, and if only liberal Hollywood had been on board, and made a few pro-America war pictures, we might have won the culture war right then and there!
I think the overtly churchy, you're-going-to-hell culture warriors are going to fade out, honestly. Who the hell is going to replace Pat Robertson or Maggie Gallagher when they bite the big one? I think we're going to see/are already seeing a rise in its more insidious cousin, the libertarian conservatives who are too hip and cool and with it for things like making sure 90% of the country actually has livable incomes and that the air and water supplies aren't full of poison. And I do mean overtly churchy: fake-hipster nutbars like Megan McArdle and Nick Gillespie are always willing to write about how sexual freedom is such an old-fashioned hippie thing and the really cool thing these days is monogamous patriarchy, and when it comes to tax cuts for the rich vs. anything that might be called 'social liberalism', they'll always go for door number 1.
ReplyDeleteBest quote from VV was Maggie Gallagher: "If it is true that sex makes babies, then that is clearly the most
ReplyDeleteimportant thing about sex."
Good to see that at least one brave, independent thinker is not going to let Big Science intimidate her with its suspiciously univocal devotion to their sperm-meets-egg story of pregnancy. Gallagher is probably going to be laughed as as a Storkist for this, but we can see that she isn't; she's just maintaining a proper skepticism towards this unproven theory.
Roy, looks like you got the wrong first name for Matt Lewis in the Voice column.
ReplyDeleteAnd they are determined to brainwash the entire country into believing it, regardless of how much money they have to lose at the box office in order to do so.
ReplyDeleteBill Whittle seems pretty convinced of the propaganda value of a money-losing movie. Or at least he's trying to convince someone of this value. Yes, I can see the usefulness of that line when talking to panicked investors.
I don't know. I've read everything everyone linked to in every one of these essays. I've read everything that's been published in the mainstream media, the right wing blogosphere,and know my way from the mysteries of the leftist Hutterite miles, I know my way from here. One word says it all. Obamney.
ReplyDeleteJust that.
the man who brought comedian Adam Carolla and Dennis Prager together .
ReplyDeleteTheir both obviously tops, so don't think it's gonna work out, but I'm a sucker for wanting people to try and be happy. Go get some love, boys!
If your ocean is home turf you probably have a case of calenture.
ReplyDeleteYou all scoff, but I too, think that there's good news for cultural conservatives in that a new generation, aided by new technology, might finally conspire to change things. I genuinely believe that they can make health care more expensive and less effective; foreign policy less subject to constitutional or moral constraints or international law, and CEO and upper management ever more lucrative. It's all over but the shouting... and of course the raping, beating, other horrendous acts against both natural and enlightened man-made law. It's like a cartoon I saw the other day. There's a picture of a bunch of roses. CNN says Obama offers peace. FOX says Obama courts our enemies. The BBC says 18 were killed in a drone strike in Pakistan. MIght as well just say fuck it. Bring a little joy to a child's life. That's probably the best we can do.
ReplyDeleteIt will go on not only because the grifters want to squeeze every last scented nickel from their marks, but also, too, because Murkins loves 'em a fight. If we don't have enemies, we fight each other. It's the nature of the beast.
ReplyDeleteA few of our leaders have tried to set non-destructive common enemies (e.g. Space, Poverty, Disco, etc), but in reality, the only thing Murkins seem good at is sorting out Them and Us, and finding new ways to beat Them.
I suppose if this keeps up, that comment soon will have to be in the past tense.
ReplyDeleteThat's coz they're doing a read-through.
ReplyDeleteHey, I just found out you NZ bastards were part of the Greater East Asian CoProsperity sphere. Traitors! No more Anzac bikkies for me.
ReplyDeleteBill Whittle's alleged production company: "Declaration hasn't released a finished feature, though a trailer from last summer promises one is coming soon." The link offers a selection of videos about something called "The Arroyo, apparently about heroic ranchers shooting evil wetbacks, "Cuz the govmint ain't gonna he'p us. We're gonna hafta do it our own selfs." IMDB shows no such film in production. But what do they know? Probably all run by liberals.
ReplyDeleteTo think it was just four years ago when the spontaneous, grassroots, sui-generis Teabagger movement focused laser-like on economic issues, and excluded all that culture war stuff!
ReplyDeleteAnd today that war has ended. Apart from mopping up operations in the islands they bypassed, a little detail roughly the size of the entire fucking Republican electorate.
Whoops yeah, thanks, fixed now.
ReplyDelete"In his trademark dapper, comedic style, Vaughn throws out some metaphorical explanation of how screwed up our nation's spending problem is, and how it affects each and every one of us."
ReplyDeleteWell, he's certainly welcome to try, but that sounds like territory that Ben Stein has already explored, and look how well that turned out.
"They should be aired not on cable news networks, but during some of the popular, prime time reality shows."
That's right, Johnny, go after the rubes where they REALLY hang out... watching The Voice and So You Think You Can Dance? Jeez... Daly sounds like Lt. Steven Hauk in Good Morning, Viet Nam, who is absolutely certain he can explain comedy to Robin Williams.
Don't worry, wingnuts: there's always abortion.
ReplyDeleteThat's Professor Adam Carolla, pal. He and such luminaries as Jonah Goldberg are on the faculty of Prager University where they are "Undoing the damage of the University... five minutes at a time."
ReplyDeleteWe actually believe that great themes can be communicated and understood in a short period of time.
They've got the attention-deficit crowd sewn up!
We don't even have to wait for Whittle's production company to get to work. The most recent episode of Blue Bloods features a deranged vegan sniper shooting SUV drivers with environmentally friendly lead free bullets, and then framing a former Army Ranger for the crimes. And the show is always heavy on the good pious Catholic values of the big, boisterous family of Irish cops (and one scrappy prosecutor) who might rough up a few suspects now and then, but only in the service of justice, and only the ones who deserve it. Watch and learn, Billy.
ReplyDeleteCheap shot: The name of Bill Whittle's Declaration Entertainment partner, director, and writer is Jeremy Boreing.
ReplyDeleteAnd the family's name is Reagan? And it "stars" Tom Selleck and Donnie Wahlberg? Wow, how did I not hear about this before?
ReplyDeleteThat's Professor Adam Carolla, pal. He and such luminaries as Jonah Goldberg are on the faculty of Prager University where they are "Undoing the damage of the University... five minutes at a time."
ReplyDeleteWe actually believe that great themes can be communicated and understood in a short period of time.
They've got the attention-deficit crowd sewn up!
I think the overtly churchy, you're-going-to-hell culture warriors are going to fade out, honestly.
ReplyDeleteyeah, but we've been hedging that bet since the 1790s.
Seriously.
ReplyDeleteIf Australia was settled with England's criminals, and we were settled with the religious outcasts, we can all see who got the better of that deal.
"In WWII," he goes on, "the United States faced the problem that half of the entire planet, the Pacific Ocean, was home turf to the forces of imperial Japan....undefeated. Rather than trying to conquer every single one of these fortresses, U.S. planners devised a strategy called 'island-hopping.'....bypassing the bulk of enemy forces..."
ReplyDeleteYes, it was certainly canny strategy to bypass all those armies of Japanese mermen.
It's a tall order to classify open ocean as "home turf."
Teach the controversy. Our children need to hear Intelligent Cabbage Patch scholars and make up their own minds.
ReplyDeletePrager Universität?
ReplyDeleteImpressive
Years ago I heard Carolla interviewed on some call-in show on NPR. A woman called in to express her disappointment that Carolla's "misogynistic asshole" act was not a parody, and that he was, in fact, just a plain old misogynistic asshole. Carolla, of course, accepted this graciously, pointing out that this was just further proof that feminism had destroyed everyone's sense of humor.
ReplyDeleteI suspect we're still going to see lots of them, but only in their most ineffective form. Last year there was a big foofaraw in Giles County, VA--a student wanted the framed copy of the Ten Commandments out of the front hall of the high school. That's an open-and-shut case; your average ACLU intern could argue it. If I remember correctly it didn't even come to trial, since everyone with a legal degree the school board talked to told them to settle ASAP.
ReplyDeleteFrom the local uproar, though, you would have thought it was the freakin' Scopes trial, though. Thousands of Commandment signs went up in yards, preachers denounced the school (and the poor student) for months, and there were multiple front-page newspaper stories.
Of course, the culture warriors were playing to lose.
I wrote about this before, back in the dark days of JS-Kit, so I'll take the liberty of repeating myself: there are two ways of aligning yourself more closely with Jesus. The first one is simple, and right there in the New Testament: give everything you have to the poor and follow Jesus. This is, frankly, not a whole lot of fun. The other method is sympathetic magic: become a cruelly persecuted minority!
It's not even hard. Step one: pick a fight you know you're going to lose. School prayer is good; food banks are bad. People like food banks. Step two: lose. Step three: Now you are a martyr! You are just like Jesus in your suffering from brutal oppression! Except for the blood and the dying part, of course.
There's a moral component that runs even deeper than the obstensible Christianity, too. Tribally and culturally, we disapprove of cheating--unless the forces of good are losing. Then it's okay to cheat. Realizing that there are circumstances where cheating is morally sanctioned exposes the vast majority of culture-war battles as the exercises in self-deceit they really are: a boatload of prudish scolds attempting to give themselves permission to cheat* and feel good about it.
*On their taxes, with the babysitter, or even just a guilt-free wallow in pride.
"If it is true that sex makes babies, then that is clearly the most important thing about sex, the thing around which a decent person or society will organize sexual values, behavior and norms".
ReplyDeleteFucking tides orgasms, how do they work?
Ignoring the fact that nobody has described an actor as 'dapper' since before color television became a thing, has anyone ever ever ever applied it to Vince Vaughan. I thought the whole point of Vaughan's ur-meathead shtick is that he's the guy you can go to when you're worried that Jeremy Piven is gonna come off as too subtle and nuanced.
ReplyDeleteI'd be willing to bet that "dapper" is still in Roger Simon's working vocabulary.
ReplyDelete"Step one: pick a fight you know you're going to lose."
ReplyDeleteNot even, often. Just unilaterally announce your own oppression. "We're told we can't criticize The One." "Political correctness requires that we all remain silent." "We're not allowed to teach our children to be patriotic." Etc.
Yes, it's no different from a whining teenager yelling "You never let me do ANYTHING!" at his/her parents, but what else is new? One man's baseless display of petulance and victimization is another man's--i.e., wingnut's--holy martyrdom.
So how is Sawyer's fantasy secession supposed to play out anyway?
ReplyDeleteWingnut: Yeah, so we're seceding, but not like all the way leaving you know. Mostly we're just inserting a second and probably unconstitutional level of bureaocracy in between ourselves Washington.
Fed: Great, okay, whatever. Just keep paying your taxes, don't try to throw all the gays in prison, and stop bothering us with this stupid bullshit.
There IS no culture war. There is only culture. But the right are like the spaz-dweeb picked last for the neighborhood basketball game, who says, "You guys hate me, don't you." "No," someone has to say. "We don't hate you. You're just a bad basketball player."
ReplyDeleteThey prefer to see themselves as the plucky-but-doomed losers of a "war" than what they really are (and secretly fear themselves to be): a bunch of dorks who think it's smart to politicize everything, and whose "values" are rejected by the masses, who are too busy, happy, sensible, or healthy to agree with them.
I am giving away all my snark and following this comment to the Gaye's of hell.
ReplyDeleteBarkeep? Give "ur-meathead shtick" whatever it's drinking.
ReplyDeleteSo, ripped from the headline then?
ReplyDeletea deranged vegan sniper shooting SUV drivers with environmentally friendly lead free bullets
ReplyDelete[Frantically updates résumé]
Just keep paying your taxes, don't try to throw all the gays in prison, and stop bothering us with this stupid bullshit.
ReplyDeleteSo, none of the above, then.
Right, the important thing here isn't whether the best and the brightest of the conservative movement can win the war in California, it's that Matt Lewis has found a way to direct the maximum number of pageviews to himself and Tucker Carlson's Totally Legit Internet Journalism Clubhouse, but in a way that shields himself from questions of his devotion to conservative pieties.
ReplyDeleteEveryone wins, except for the unfortunates like Roy who have to read this shit.
I would like to take a word from this comment and carry it around as a relic.
ReplyDeleteoh, hell, fucking homonormative autocorrect.
ReplyDeleteHe actually addresses the problem of finding time for still reflection and listening to the voice of god. Its one of his pay-for-play lectures. I understand the drum solo and the gyrating cheerleaders really drive the point home.
ReplyDeleteI always thought Vince Vaughn's shtick was sullen and hostile.
ReplyDeleteHoly Moeller, I don't mean to be sizeist and its more the way he carries it but the guys a natural born Piggy from Lord of the Flies. He could barely make it up the podium without collapsing, could barely get out his opening lines for the wheezing and the nervous sweating, and he appears to be the embodiement of backpfeifengesicht.
ReplyDeleteThere's still room for fleecing the rubes with a combo "buddy Jesus" and "Capitalist Boss Jesus" and a look at his website confirms that his daily text is a mashup of the Bible as read by a psychotic Milton Friedman. However: a lot of being able to sell the rubes is looking like you can walk the walk and talk the talk. If you are going to be all manly Jesus and capitalist opressor god the father you had better look like you got the dolla's and the wimmins to prove it. That guy looks like he hasn't made it out of his mother's basement and she's still the only woman he's ever loved.
aimai
Vince Vaughn?
ReplyDeleteLet Freedom Swing!
Classic soul singer autocorrect, no?
ReplyDeleteIf God made me, then God put my clitoris there for a reason, and it's my duty to use it to its full potential.
ReplyDeleteThe "surf and turf" just got fishier.
ReplyDeleteThere are definitely certain culture-war issues that they have to keep going because giving the rubes what they want would mean the end of their power. Abortion is one of those things -- they have to keep it at least nominally legal to keep the goldmine going (both in terms of fundraising and voter turnout) while thundering about making it illegal.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing they really *don't* want is an effective ban. IIRC, when the Supreme Court took up Planned Parenthood v. Casey in the early 90s, and there was a serious question of whether Roe would remain standing, Congress introduced a bill legalizing abortion nationally. It got tremendous bipartisan support, though it never went to a final vote because the Court upheld Roe.
All the better to flush those with a predisposition to conservatism out of the woodwork, my dear.
ReplyDeleteHey, Piggy was a good bloke. Jack was the backpf.. guy.
ReplyDeleteI will not have him spoken about it like this....either you say you're sorry or you have to watch that terrible resort movie---twice!
ReplyDeleteDear lord, please don't let the next 60 comments be hippies and elitists bashing Vince Vaughn....as if Vince would have wanted this idiot to suggest this for him
ReplyDeleteWhich, Mr. Riley, you must admit, is pretty small. Our pathetic Hoosier island with our preacher governor and "Democratic" Senator notwithstanding
ReplyDeletePrager is a bottom, just waiting to meet the right top
ReplyDelete... if ever you should need a hand... ahem, I mean, what were socialisticamazing about in evil wanton ... eh... I got nuthin'
ReplyDeleteDoes Jeff Goldstein know about this or is he a savant
ReplyDeleteHis last shortest book was an IOU to his bookie
ReplyDeleteOn a more somber note, perhaps it is good that they have these forums in which they help themselves believe that they are the majority while trying to figure out why what is happening nationally doesn't reflect that. As silly as it gets, it may allow them to sublimate some of their more violent feelings. Often when standing back and looking at the right-wing as a movement I am reminded of the thoughts of Judith Butler (and a little Adorno)
ReplyDeletenothing is more degenerate than the kind of ethics or morality that survives in the shape of collective ideas even after the World Spirit has ceased to inhabit them---to use the Hegelian expression as a kind of shorthand. Once the state of human consciousness and the state of social forces of production have abandoned these collective ideas, these ideas acquire repressive and violent qualities.
...because the collective ethos is no longer shared---indeed, precisely because the collective ethos which must now be herded by quotation marks, is not commonly shared---it can impose its claim to commonality only through violent means. In this sense, the collective ethos instrumentalizes violence to maintain the appearance of its collectivity. Moreover, this ethos becomes violence only once it has become an anachronism. What is strange historically---and temporally---about this form of ethical violence is that although the collective ethos has become anachronistic, it has not become past; it insists itself into the present as an anachronism.
If their endless prattling allows them to feel safely enveloped in their little bubbles, then maybe it will keep them from blowing up buildings.
Can I nominate you for something good and then when you win can I attend the ceremony and pack some of the complimentary food in my pockets and you'll let me slip out?
ReplyDeleteWow... NPR allowed a caller to get away with "asshole"? Good to know the next time David Brooks is on.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder these jackasses are loosing the culture war, they haven't the slightest idea what culture looks like.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing they really *don't* want is an effective ban.
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify for our foreign readers: the one thing the really *don't* want is an effective federal ban. They've been absolutely delighted to use an iron boot on the bodily autonomy of filthy sluts at the state level. Access to women's health services in general, let alone abortion, are declining in red states, or purple states that have turned their state governments over to pigfucking theocrats.
Yes, I know, and I remember his fate very sadly. But miller really looks like piggy from the old movie version. At least if piggy had survived to become a lickspittle.
ReplyDeleteI genuinely believe that they can make health care more expensive and less effective; foreign policy less subject to constitutional or moral constraints or international law, and CEO and upper management ever more lucrative.
ReplyDeleteC'mon chuck...
We don't need conservatives for any of that. Our nominal liberal administration is doing all those things just fine on its own.
It's front and center. How difficult can it be, unless you're looking for an excuse not to find it?
ReplyDeleteWe got some criminals too! Australia didn't get all of them, tho they tried.
ReplyDeleteThese folks who want the 10 Commandments set up on government property (or anywhere for that matter) should try standing in front of said property and reciting the commandments.... its Free Speech after all. Not as sacred as Guns 4 Everybody All The Time, but... there it is. Of course standing in front of a building reciting archaic "rules" to passers-by is a bit like WORK, and might get the reciter a few pieces of rotten fruit in the face. But it would be GODS WORK!!1!11
ReplyDeleteMakes One wonder about "real" martyrs from the past... even -cough- Jesus.
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought the word was "diaper". Makes more sense.
ReplyDeleteshould try standing in front of said property and reciting the commandments
ReplyDeleteMany of these "10 Commandments" scabrous jackholes also blabber about "Judeo-Christian" values as tenuous cover for their Constitution asswiping. Judeo, eh? There are actually 613. Recite faster, dumbshit.
They understand KultureWar.
ReplyDelete"This behavior won't do, comrades: it needs to be organized! Remember the glorious five-year plan."
ReplyDeleteJust as I did above, she might have actually used "jackhole," as backhanded homage to Kimmel and Carolla's FCC end-run.
ReplyDeleteExplicitly underlining the sarcasm? I really expected you two to coordinate better than this.
ReplyDeleteAlso "dappest".
ReplyDelete“When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun.”
ReplyDelete- Hanns Johst, German playwright and Nazi Poet Laureate.
"Culture is guns!"
- wingnuts
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One thing that all this "culture war as conservative grift" stuff makes me think is that the immiseration of the American people and especially of the working class and (formerly) middle class people is seriously cutting into the profits. The culture war stuff has been aimed squarely as a captive audience of old people watching Fox news (retirees) and mega church goers who were (once) presumed to be middle class and with quite a bit of disposable income to divert--disposable income to fight the war against X _____ fill in the blank and whatever the hell needed fighting (The anti gay version of Pagan Babies).
ReplyDeleteDoes the younger generation have any disposable income? NRO sends me daily updates and phishes for attention with stuff that is indistinguishable from any supermarket check out line come ons. They've even stopped asking for money to fight communism and now offer me "ten tips to lose weight" instead. I can tell they still have a rather elderly population of readers from their advertising alone. But my point is this: they are still trying to find the key to unlock the pockets of people with disposable income. And the people they are talking to--Maggie Gallagher's teenage son (her real love object) are playing video games and wasting their lives because they "gots no jobs and gots no money." They aren't any wiser than the old sheeple who gave their all toPalin or the college republicans or whichever plausible rogue came knocking. But they just don't have the scratch.
aimai
It's alicublog, tim, e.g. elitist hippie central.
ReplyDeleteTry the granola!
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Australia must've got first pick.
ReplyDeleteIt makes one wonder how much of the deregulation and hippie-punching was funded by defined-benefit pensions, of which there are precious few left.
ReplyDeleteTrust the GOP to be such idiot grifters that they kill the mark.
Well, they're aligned with Wall Street who killed the goose and would kill it again given if they thought they could bailed out again.
ReplyDelete"backpfeifengesicht" must be used sparingly. I tell myself that every day.
ReplyDelete... they'll always go for door number 1.
ReplyDeleteWell, ya gotta give 'em credit. There may be goats behind doors number 2 and three.
But probably not Kulturkampf.
ReplyDeleteLes get it on.
ReplyDeleteObligatory:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/70730/june-14-2006/better-know-a-district---georgia-s-8th---lynn-westmoreland
I love the granola, but....well, meta commentary seemed a way to forestall the inevitable
ReplyDelete???
ReplyDeleteWell, see, it was pretty obvious that Chuck was sarcastically making exactly the point that our nominal[ly] liberal administration is doing all those things just fine on its own. So your follow-up was pretty much "explaining the punchline." I was merely expressing my disappointment that you didn't continue in a similarly sarcastic vein instead. That's a rhetorical move which would have been much likelier to get the rest of us (ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©, Jay B., DocAmazing, etc, etc, etc, excepted) to abandon our uncritical adoring support for Obama in favor of ... um ... you know, stuff.
ReplyDeleteYou'd be surprised. Clearly, more careful scrutiny is needed.
ReplyDelete"Who the hell is going to replace Pat Robertson or Maggie Gallagher when they bite the big one? "
ReplyDeleteI thought they already did, every day.
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