Thursday, July 16, 2015

ALSO LINCOLN WAS TALL, WHEREAS OBAMA... WELL, LINCOLN WAS WHITE.

Conservative writing on the Iran Deal has been so feverish that it conjures an image of a red-faced Bibi Netanhayu screaming at the authors to "DO WHAT I'M TELLIN' YA!" like Broderick Crawford in Born Yesterday.  One of the weirder specimens appears at National Review where, after some preliminary obvious bullshit ("It’s nice to see that even CNN recognizes the president’s deal with Iran for what it is: 'another legacy-making item on his checklist'"), Ian Tuttle tries this gambit:
What could account for [Obama's] astonishing indifference to American security? In his 1838 address to the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Ill., Abraham Lincoln suggested ambition, and that seems to me as good an explanation as any.
Lincoln? Iran? Huh? Tuttle preambles a quote from the speech...
This “field of glory” harvested, to what would the next Alexander or Napoleon turn? He warned: 
Towering genius disdains a beaten path. It seeks regions hitherto unexplored. It sees no distinction in adding story to story upon the monuments of fame erected to the memory of others. It denies that it is glory enough to serve under any chief. It scorns to tread in the footsteps of any predecessor, however illustrious. It thirsts and burns for distinction... 
Distinction will be his paramount object, and although he would as willingly, perhaps more so, acquire it by doing good as harm, yet, that opportunity being past, and nothing left to be done in the way of building up, he would set boldly to the task of pulling down.
 ...and interprets:
Barack Obama’s ambition, his hunger for his own aggrandizement, has long been obvious. No humility afflicts a one-term senator who promises to “fundamentally transform” the United States of America, or who proclaims his mere nomination for the presidency “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” 
He is an ideologue, yes, a Chicago leftist, community organizer-in-chief, unreconstructed Columbia poli-sci grad student. I’ve no doubt he thinks a diminished America a better America — for us, and for the world. But “building up” or “pulling down” is secondary. America is merely the instrument with which Barack Obama would carve his name into history.
The short version is: Lincoln said America would have ambitious, bad presidents in the future -- and that's just how I feel about Obama! Plus Alinsky!

The subterfuge seems at first merely lazy,  the prose equivalent of the Obama paintings of John McNaughton. But I see a deeper purpose: The connection between the modern Republican Party and Lincoln has taken a beating over the past 50 years, and the recent Confederate Flag controversy has pretty much severed it. (Tuttle was a big help there!) Now that they've totally blown it on race, I guess they have to find some other way to associate themselves with Honest Abe. Foreign policy seems a stretch, but what else do they have? It's not like they can endorse high tariffs. (And if they don't have Lincoln, what other GOP president is left beside Reagan, who is losing his charm as a demigod? They disowned Teddy Roosevelt. Tricky Dick, maybe your rehabilitation is at hand!)

There's always abortion, which some of the more hysterical brethren (including Tuttle!) like to portray as the new slavery, but in order to get traction on that they're going to have to work on their approach:
COLUMBUS, Ohio, July 13, 2015 /Christian Newswire/ -- Created Equal, a national anti-abortion group, will be displaying abortions in progress on a Jumbo-Tron TV screen at the Lincoln Memorial on July 14, 2015 as part of our week-long Justice Ride.
I'm seeing the hearts and livers angle, but not the hearts and minds. Maybe they should put a beard and stovepipe on Mike Huckabee and see where it gets them.

216 comments:

  1. Sweet of him to suggest Obama is a towering genius. I realize he's a tall genius, but is he that tall?

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  2. "He is an ideologue, yes,"You misspelled "pragmatist," Ian.

    a Chicago leftist,You're right, Ian; Obama did in fact live in Chicago.
    community organizer-in-chief,Jesus Christ, Ian. By which I mean, that job description is already taken. "unreconstructed Columbia poli-sci grad student."So ... you're saying he refused to repudiate his Ivy League undergraduate degree? The monster. Though I thought dissing his attendance at Columbia was your job.

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  3. coozledad1:43 PM

    So is Obama is a reverse Napoleon who wants to carve out a legacy of defeat, or has he traded Israel for the Sudetenland for sheer self aggrandizement?

    Let's ask Abraham Lincoln.

    "I was down in Cairo once, and a fellow came up to me and asked if I'd ever seen a man blow a boar hog. And I said no, but i hear they're showin' abortions in progress on a jumbotron up in DC. "

    And that's why he's on your penny.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GfgnBEZsj4

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  4. Gromet1:52 PM

    I think the only word that really matters to Tuttle and his readers is "unreconstructed." It makes no sense except to remind us that Reconstruction was a thing and during it the newly freed slaves learned their place.

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  5. John Wesley Hardin2:04 PM

    "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

    "All right, you've covered your ass." "What could account for [Bush's] astonishing indifference to American security?"

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  6. BigHank532:07 PM

    What could account for [Obama's] astonishing indifference to American security?

    Let's go ahead and review America's options with regards to Iran's nuclear program, shall we? I will assume for the sake of argument that we would prefer that Iran not have a nuclear weapon; whether that's due to concern for regional stability or tender affection for Israel or just non-proliferation is immaterial.

    Option #1. Do nothing. The current sanction regime falls apart, Iran restarts their enrichment program, likely the world would have a new nuclear power within five years.

    Option #2. Declare war and invade. Unlike Iraq, Iran has not been hobbled by a dozen years of post-Gulf War sanctions, Russia is willing to sell them lots of weapons, they have a population of eighty million (more than twice the size of Iraq) and their intelligence services were good enough to get Chalabi deep within America's neocon hive. So this is going to be a considerably more expensive conflict, both in dollars and lives.

    Option #3. Declare war and just bomb the enrichment facilities. The Iranians can read the specifications from munition manufacturers just like the buyers at the Pentagon can, and their enrichment facilities are far enough underground that we'd have to use nukes. I have no idea how we'd be able to justify this. Or justify the radioactive fallout that would land on nearly three billion people downwind, many of whom we have told are our allies.

    Option #4. Negotiate a treaty that severely limits Iran's actions, disassembles much of their nuclear capability, and allows us to inspect and monitor everything that's left over.

    And the right is trying to portray themselves as the realistic grown-ups?

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  7. lawrence0904692:10 PM

    Abortion Jumbotron? Oh my. Reminds me of an old Bloom County strip.

    http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/2010/02/27

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  8. Cato the Censor2:12 PM

    Maybe they should put a beard and stovepipe on Mike Huckabee and see where it gets them.



    For one thing, Huckabee would look much more handsome that way.

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  9. mortimer20002:16 PM

    Time for Bizarro Hinderaker: "It must be very strange to be President Obama. A man of zero vision and brilliance approaching to imbecile, and everyone knows it. He is like a mediocre painter or musician who is completely out of touch, and who unveils one catastrophe after another to a reception that is both bored and hostile."

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  10. Jay B.2:16 PM

    Barack Obama’s ambition, his hunger for his own aggrandizement, has long been obvious.


    That's so strange, because usually you get shy, egoless people running for President.

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  11. Jay B.2:17 PM

    Because his indifference to security was only matched by his indifference to human suffering.

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  12. Chairman Pao2:17 PM

    '...his hunger for his own aggrandizement, has long been obvious.'

    It's going to be so refreshing for Tuttle when President Trump (aka "The Wizard of Id") brings his towering humility and selflessness and to the White House.

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  13. Chairman Pao2:18 PM

    Jay B, you beat me to the punchline.

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  14. Jay B.2:19 PM

    It was out there. Hanging like a do-nothing curve. We're dealing with the laziest people on Earth, the American Conservative Intellectual.

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  15. Chairman Pao2:22 PM

    I don't think he even has a curve in his arsenal. He throws nothing but knuckle(drag)balls.

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  16. susanoftexas2:23 PM

    Like Paris, they'll always have abortion.

    ...it is our dream for America: that all men – black or white, born or preborn - deserve the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." -- Mark Harrington, National Director, Created Equal
    I'm glad he cleared that up. All men deserve the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, born or pre-born. Women don't. Any of their rights end at birth.

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  17. slavdude2:33 PM

    Not to mention those of people who are neither black nor white.

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  18. Adam Pack2:34 PM

    I wondered about that. 'What can I say about Obama? I know, I'll call him a towering genius. That'll show him. Ha!' In all fairness, it's not an accusation anyone will be levelling at Tuttle in the foreseeable future.
    (Just for the record, Obama is 6'1". And undoubtedly the most intelligent US president for some considerable time).

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  19. susanoftexas2:37 PM

    When you see things in black and white....

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  20. haha abortions, they must be showing a michael----AW GODDAMMIT

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  21. Ellis_Weiner2:48 PM

    ALL their writing is the prose equivalent of the Obama paintings of John McNaughton. With the "he is playing a dangerous game" and the "___ and his ilk" and "tyranny" and so on.

    Plus, I like the shout-out to "community organizer." It didn't happen then and it's not happening now. Stop trying to make "community organizer" happen, you guys.

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  22. Randy Gibbons2:49 PM

    Towering genius disdains a beaten path [...] America is merely the instrument with which Barack Obama would carve his name into history.



    Ten-score and twenty words where "uppity" would have sufficed?


    Minds like Tuttle's never allow that Obama might employ rhetoric much as others have. No, he's always revealing himself, like an arch-villain, either out of overconfidence or oversight. Obama always hands you the skeleton key to his character, intellect, and innermost thoughts.


    Tuttle: "I've no doubt [Obama] thinks ..." Of course you don't. The whole lot of you have spoken with utter assurance on these matters since the campaign for 2008. Please, proceed from your dogmas and untested assumptions.

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  23. Ellis_Weiner2:51 PM

    Wait--is this Tuttle or Buttle?

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  24. Ellis_Weiner2:53 PM

    And at pregnancy.

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  25. Jimcima2:58 PM

    [Obama's] astonishing indifference to American security?


    Yes, not wanting to kill millions of people or send our children off to do it is astonishing to these assholes.

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  26. Snarki, child of Loki3:04 PM

    Not a "stovepipe HAT" mind you, just a stovepipe.

    It's the soot that add that special touch, amirite?

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  27. tigrismus3:05 PM

    So Obama wants a legacy, like every president before him, of leaving America better off than he found it, and he scorns treading in the footsteps of the illustrious Bush-Cheney to do it? Dude, that's not "hunger for his own aggrandizement," that's just common sense.

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  28. Bizarro Mike3:07 PM

    Bizarro Hinderaker is a major pain in the ass on Bizarro World. Old Mouth Cannon, we call him.

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  29. Snarki, child of Loki3:08 PM

    "What could account for [Bush's] astonishing indifference to American security?"

    That he was too busy kissing Chinese butt to get back a downed recon plane?

    That he had an ANTHRAX ATTACK to get rollling, dammit, so stop distracting him!?

    "Now watch this drive."

    He had a date with a goat, that's all that matters.

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  30. Even though most of the cons have been mum on the details, it's obvious that they wanted #3 (possibly with a side of #2). These guys all seem pretty ignorant of the mechanics of modern warfare, so it's hard to say how many of them actually envisioned nuclear bombardment - it's possible that they all assume that enrichment facilities are just like big factories that we could take out with conventional payloads. The ones who do mention nukes seem to do so less out of tactical considerations and more because they're bloodthirsty types who are aroused by thoughts of mushroom clouds.


    The "grown-ups" part comes from this belief (at least 15 years old by now) that being "serious" means being willing to sacrifice, which is why war always needs to be a consideration. Whether or not that's true, I would argue that it doesn't take a lot of maturity to force someone else to sacrifice on your behalf, which is what these numbnuts are doing. As I've said before, to the pundit class, war is like a spectator sport - something to discuss over lunch or at a bar. These fuckers have been waiting a long time for the new season to start.

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  31. Bizarro Mike3:09 PM

    I'd settle for a burka. It would be gentlemanly of him to not tempt all of the ladies with his physical form while in public.

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  32. Snarki, child of Loki3:10 PM

    Unfair. Bush cared so very very deeply about the suffering of billionaires who might have to pay 1% more taxes.

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  33. Randy Gibbons3:10 PM

    I remember in 2012 trying to convince my mom that the Republican party's platform statement re: abortion did not include exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. (Too bad I was in no position to Google; I was right.) Thinking back, I realize that showing her the text probably wouldn't have mattered. If you can stubbornly insist that Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are decent people who aren't to be taken seriously when they lie and hate, you can believe that today's Republican party cares about the aforementioned exceptions (or anything else you please) and just forgot to mention them in what was an otherwise detailed and specific statement.


    (I'm not trying to imply a set of goalposts around choice, I'm just cleaving to the limits of that 2012 argument.)

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  34. TGuerrant3:16 PM

    That "Hinder" thing always makes me think it's not coming out of his Mouth.

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  35. TGuerrant3:17 PM

    Better than tin foil, too, when it comes to resisting the Jade Helm mind control waves.

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  36. Randy Gibbons3:19 PM

    Stop trying to make "community organizer" happen, you guys.

    No kidding. They've been shoving that puzzlement down our throats to no effect and yet it persists, where arugula and mom jeans (that was a thing, right?) etc. have fallen off. What is its potency, in their minds? Sometimes I use words or make jokes in a purely masturbatory spirit. This seems more like exchanging tokens of group membership. Fuckin' freaks.

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  37. Bizarro Mike3:24 PM

    The whole deal with the modern chickenhawk is that they will give up nothing. Someone else will fight, some future generation will pay. No draft, no tax. Just free war!

    It is also neat that it is the only "serious" action, but it is never judged by anything like its chance of success vs cost, let alone any sort of moral argument. We've just been through two terrible wars (okay one will go on forever more) that didn't achieve their stated objectives or their well understood unstated objectives.

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  38. Ellis_Weiner3:24 PM

    A few days ago I took my life in my hands and started arguing with someone on FB, whose sentences were perfectly intelligent and who seemed well-educated. She was spouting the wing-nut line. For a while I thought, Keep trying. Then, when she said that Fox News was more trustworthy than CNN, I thought: Thank god. Outa here.

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  39. Randy Gibbons3:25 PM

    Nice of her to spare you any further trouble.

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  40. Ellis_Weiner3:29 PM

    "Tokens of group membership" == absolutely. You really see this in some of their lesser (although they're all lesser) analyses or culture commentary, the sub-texts of which is always, "See? I can make up contrived, bullshit 'readings' of an Obama speech or a Kristin Wiig movie too! Who cares if they're plausible or true, as long as they renew my membership in good standing in the club. I can haz wingnut welfare now?"

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  41. It is also neat that it is the only "serious" action, but it is never judged by anything like its chance of success vs cost, let alone any sort of moral argument.

    You'll note that it's never judged by its actual results, either. Iraq was a smashing success, if you only count smashing things as success.

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  42. What is its potency, in their minds?To Real True Christians, there's nothing more abominable than helping the less fortunate. And at the grassroots level? What's wrong with a big government program, the conservatives bellow.

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  43. Yeah, I don't get that last bit. It's like saying, "He graduated high school, and he's not even sorry about that!" Ummm, what?

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  44. Randy Gibbons3:37 PM

    OK yeah. And also I gotta remember the M. Thatcher idea that there's no society, only individuals. It follows that facilitating a community's self-betterment is the height of folly and perversity.

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  45. You'll note that everyone except Sarah Palin has dropped the "He uses a teleprompter!!!" thing. Particularly excellent since Palin's last big public appearance at the big Conservative C-PAC rally featured her reading her speech off a teleprompter--and then becoming completely incoherent when the teleprompter broke down.

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  46. Steve-O3:45 PM

    "[insert every politician's name, ever, here]’s ambition, his hunger for his own aggrandizement, has long been obvious."

    Oh noes! A politician with ambition and a desire to leave a legacy? [faints]

    "He is an ideologue [drink!], yes, a Chicago [drink!] leftist [drink!], community organizer-in-chief [drink! drink! drink!], unreconstructed Columbia poli-sci grad student [chug]."

    Fuck sake's, we need a better class of wingnut. This is just so weak.


    Points for nearly completely filling in the Obama insult Bingo card in one sentence, though...

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  47. Steve-O3:52 PM

    yuuuuup

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  48. Bitter Scribe3:57 PM

    But when Reagan reached a nuclear pact with the Soviet Union, he was merely being humble and self-effacing.

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  49. Megalon3:59 PM

    I want these "Obama the communist" numbskulls to specify precisly which freedoms and how many guns he's taken from them.

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  50. Remember, they've always been against Reconstruction.

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  51. Bitter Scribe4:14 PM

    No humility afflicts a one-term senator ...


    Remind me how many terms Cruz, Paul and Rubio have served?

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  52. Imagine what it must have been like for him in middle school.

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  53. Randy Gibbons4:41 PM

    They're outsiders, see. Politicians bad!

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  54. "Justice ride"? Words do actually have meaning. WTF do these people have to do with justice?

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  55. dmsilev4:59 PM

    As opposed to Palin's normal state of being completely incoherent _with_ a functional teleprompter.

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  56. How many wars against people that pissed his father off has BHO started?!?! THAT'S a legacy

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  57. He'd have got away with too if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!

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  58. Chairman Pao5:02 PM

    Nice of Tuttle to reveal NR's editorial mantra: "As good an explanation as any."

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  59. Yellow, brown and red can fuck off too.

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  60. Have some compassion, huh? No wonder he's like that.

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  61. Ripley5:45 PM

    Created Equal, a national anti-abortion group, will be displaying abortions in progress on a Jumbo-Tron TV screen at the Lincoln Memorial on July 14, 2015 as part of our week-long Justice Ride.


    "In progress", you say?


    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?

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  62. ADHDJ5:53 PM

    https://twitter.com/slackadjuster/status/621013749462253568

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  63. http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_baltimore_van_lb_150703_16x9_992.jpg

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  64. Bizarro Mike6:03 PM

    No, I don't buy it. When Butler wrote his book, he was talking about the marines clearing the way for United Fruit et al. The racket was that force opened the country to being exploited by a US business. Certainly, one of the goals for the Iraq war was to gain access to Iraqi oil. It was not successful.

    They also wanted a friendly country studded with US bases right in the middle of the middle east. It would give the US a strategic advantage against Iran, and hedge against the Saudis, who were seen by the neocons as a bit squishy (especially on Israel). This part of the invasion was largely not successful. They did build the Emerald City, though...

    True, the principles had it rigged so that they profiteered handsomely from the war. I think this clouded their judgment about whether the invasion could succeed, rather than motivating them from the start. Another part was that they fully absorbed the myth of US invulnerability. This meant that no amount of profiteering or poor planning could be seen as endangering the mission. It could not fail. Finally, in the lead up to the war, efforts shifted to selling the war. Once the salesmen came out, reality vanished for the true believers. They had no ability to distinguish between criticism of the invasion plan and criticism of the invasion policy.

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  65. They think it's a clever comeback to "Freedom Riders", "justice" being preferable to freedom in their dictionary. (This wk. anyway. Next wk.? Hey, uh ...)

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  66. redoubtagain6:05 PM

    As Bob Uecker would say, "The way to catch a knuckledrag ball is to wait until the toupee stops rolling and then pick it up."

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  67. redoubtagain6:07 PM

    He had a date with a goat, that's all that matters


    Oh, so that's what "clearing brush" meant.

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  68. basenjibrian6:09 PM

    You make some good points, except that I think Butler (who was a product of his times) was making a far more general argument than you note (his essay, online via Google) lists all the profits made by American industry during WWI, he was certainly not only focusing on the example you gave).
    And, of course, the reasons for the war (always shifting, even in the minds of proponents, let alone in the sales job(s)) were mixed and multivariant. And certainly, there was an almost...ATHENIAN arrogance involved in the whole lead up to the campaign. :)
    But I stand by my argument that the war was a smashingly profitable one for a significant cadre of connected industries and individuals.

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  69. Helmut Monotreme6:18 PM

    Maybe he already changed his name to mute some of the ridicule he endured when his last name was Asscollector?

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  70. tigrismus6:19 PM

    Plus a lot of right-wing Christians see justice as the opposite of mercy, justice being sinners getting the punishment they deserve rather than any sort of kindness, understanding, or alleviation of their condition. IOW, if you can't keep them legs clamped, sluts, giving birth is your just deserts.

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  71. glennisw6:21 PM

    So Barack Obama's naked ambition has caused him to seek the Presidency. As distinguished from Mitt Romney and John McCain's assumption that they deserved the Presidency, it was "their turn." Or George and Jeb! Bush's sense that they were entitled to it.

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  72. This is where the real grifting starts. They had a message that was positive/popular enough a cable network was willing to give them money & a platform.

    Now, they have to start the "liberals, media, yada have attacked us & thrown us off the telly; we need money for perms for the girls" schtick, which won't last as long as happy Jesus family.



    Two yrs. more of their 15 mins., max., if nothing else is revealed & none of them say anything extra-offensive or idiotic.

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  73. These people really get me. They had eight years of an incompetent drooling idiot of a president, an incompetent sociopath of a vice president, incompetence and borderline fascism up and down an administration that, as Pierce would put it, would fuck up a two-car funeral if you spotted them the hearse. We finally get an administration that can fucking do something decent for the world and ourselves and they just go nuts.

    But then I remember: They loved Bush. They loved Cheney. They loved the whole crew. And God help us, they loved 9/11, and I don't give a shit what any of them say; they loved 9/11 for all the benefits it brought them in their retrograde, kick-down-kiss-up worldview. I keep looking for the figures on the authoritarian mindset in America and I can't find them, but something tells me it tracks closely to the 27 percent that can be counted on to vote Republican, no matter what. They hate liberalism and it doesn't matter what kinds of idiots--and not just "idiots" as in stupid, but "idiots" as in will fuck you and your grandmother over for twenty bucks in campaign funds--run for office under the Republican flag, these idiots--as in "stupid"--will vote for them.

    Goddam, this country is fucked up.

    Okay, I'm done now!

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  74. glennisw6:23 PM

    displaying abortions in progress



    How's that work?

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  75. TGuerrant6:23 PM

    Well, yeah, I guess Romney, McCain, and the Bushes are a little ambitious. But you certainly can't say anything like that about Real True Republicans like Ted Cruz! Why, he was in the U.S. Senate for days before he began his presidential run.

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  76. Helmut Monotreme6:25 PM

    They'll be simulated by some of the same film geniuses that brought us the "Saw" movies or "Human Centipede"

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  77. To the FEMA camps with you sir/madam!

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  78. Dude, I was gonna snark on bloggers, but no.

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  79. TGuerrant6:49 PM

    They may even have to sell one of their airplanes!

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  80. ohsopolite6:51 PM

    "We return you now to the abortion already in progress."

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  81. TGuerrant6:59 PM

    ONOES! The Fox on air contributors are similarly afflicted!

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  82. susanoftexas6:59 PM

    John Dean:

    'The leading authority on right-wing authoritarianism, a man who devoted his career to developing hard empirical data about these people and their beliefs, is Robert Altemeyer. Altemeyer, a social scientist based in Canada, flushed out these typical character traits in decades of testing.

    Altemeyer believes about 25 percent of the adult population in the United States is solidly authoritarian (with that group mostly composed of followers, and a small percentage of potential leaders). It is in these ranks of some 70 million that we find the core of the McCain/Palin supporters. They are people who are, in Altemeyer's words, are "so self-righteous, so ill-informed, and so dogmatic that nothing you can say or do will change their minds."'

    http://www.alternet.org/story/105669/it_is_now_absolutely_crystal_clear_that_republican_rule_is_dangerous_and_authoritarian

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  83. All very true. The profiteering stuff and "No war for oil" made for nice slogans, but they were naive oversimplifications. With Cheney's connections, if all he wanted was money, there were ways to get it that that would have been far easier and a hell of a lot less risky. Yeah, you can make a billion dollars rebuilding Iraq, but you can also make a billion dollars redesigning an army weapons systems every few years ad infinitum.


    There's this weird impulse on the left to assume that everyone is in it for the money. I don't know, maybe no one wants to acknowledge that we had a supervillain in the White House for eight years.

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  84. Upvoted because you may be the only person besides me and a bunch of Chinese college students who remembers that recon plane. Ah, for the days when Dubya was considered weak on defense...

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  85. TGuerrant7:09 PM

    In a sermon last year, Rafael Cruz said that his son is among the
    evangelical Christians who are anointed as “kings” to take control of
    all sectors of society. ...

    In the wake of the speech, Ted Cruz was blessed and anointed by prominent
    dominionist pastors, in effect making him a “king” in the
    political/governmental sense, at a special ceremony held at a Marriott
    Hotel in Des Moines, Iowa in 2013.

    --AATTP

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  86. TGuerrant7:10 PM

    And it would mean full employment for Christian bakers!

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  87. tigrismus7:13 PM

    Man, if only Obama were so humble.

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  88. "We interrupt this abortion because we are hectoring theocratic misogynist shits with too much political power."

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  89. Also you can't appeal to a) our humanity or b) our logic.

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  90. AGoodQuestion7:40 PM

    Which one could fix heating vents again? If Ian Tuttle can do that he should stick to it.

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  91. Tracy7:47 PM

    He's back, you know.

    https://www.facebook.com/berkeleybreathed/photos/a.114529165244512.10815.108793262484769/1005868556110564/?type=1&theater

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  92. Cato the Censor7:47 PM

    A very astute comment.

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  93. AGoodQuestion7:52 PM

    Wasn't that when they forgot their place and tried to be governors and Senators and such? The word does have totemic power among his readers, just not positive associations.

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  94. He goes back to Cuba. Now that it's open again, he can plant the seed of his faith for a new generation. Just kidding of course. They would treat him like the doddering maniac that he is.

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  95. Well, they've gotten close:

    President Reagan’s method to diplomatic negotiations was trust but verify. This deal has no guarantee of verification.--Senator James Inhofe

    History will tell, and surely in the foreign policy area, where he thinks opening to Cuba and appeasing Iran was to the stature of Reagan bringing an end to the cold war is delusional. Reagan defeated the Soviets, where Obama has accommodated and capitulated to Cuba and Iran.--Charles Krauthammer

    “I remember tying ribbons in the front of our house for the hostages,” he said, invoking the 444-day hostage crisis that ended in 1981. “For all practical purposes, not a whole lot has changed in Iran. This is not a place we should be doing business with.”

    Walker otherwise gave his standard stump speech – centered on a call to follow in Reagan’s footsteps...--Atlanta Journal-Constitution politics blog, covering Scott Walker's Atlanta campaign stop

    "It is very disappointing, far from constraining the Iranian nuclear weapons program, this has guaranteed them an assured way over time to become a nuclear weapons state."--Robert McFarlane. Yes, Robert McFarlane, criticizing Obama's coddling of Iran. I think Alanis Morissette just stroked out.

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  96. AGoodQuestion8:02 PM

    I'm trying to imagine the reaction in Right Blogistan - or in the NYT for that matter - if a liberal politician's foreign born father had said he was destined to be king.

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  97. LookWhosInTheFreezer8:05 PM

    Tape Transcript- Oval Office -April, 2009

    (Scratchy audio sounds)

    Obama: What I'm saying, Nancy is this, and I'm gonna be real honest with you because I like you and you're a good Speaker: I don't give a f*** about Universal Healthcare. Seriously. Not a single f***. You think I give a f*** about Americans being sick? Sheeyitt. F*** 'em. I could give a f*** if every piece-of-shit American died of cancer tomorrow?

    Pelosi: (disgusted sigh)

    Obama: What, you think I'm playing? You think I spent all these years pretending to be American, pretending to be a Christian and a moderate Centrist just so I could help some sick people?

    (laughs)

    Shit, I thought you were smarter than that. See, here's how it is, and I'm only gonna say this once. None of this about saving lives or long term debt or fixing the economy or any of the rest of that bullshit.

    (voice rasing)

    And before you even give me that look I'll tell you that this sure as hell ain't about that Single Motherf***ing Payer bullshit. You got that? F*** that too. It ain't happening. Not on my watch. I don't give a f*** about any of it. This is about ME. The ONE. And all the notches on MY belt. MY legacy. Cause it's gonna be MY f***ing face on that South Dakota rock someday, not yours, so you better just get that thru your thick...hey turn that thing o....

    (tape suddenly stops)

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  98. AGoodQuestion8:08 PM

    Once he's safely out of office, maybe Obama should leak a recording of his Clay Davis impression, just to cause some conniptions.

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  99. TGuerrant8:15 PM

    Yep, and since most of us aren't rich, money = power to us.

    To the truly rich, more money is nice -- and certainly none should be taken away from them -- but it's not much to think about compared with doing things other people aren't allowed to do (including evil things) and doing "great" things (including evil things) that will impress people they know.

    "I'm a war criminal and what the fuck you gonna do about it, cry babies?" is what's in Cheney's eyes.

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  100. Translation: If Obama weren't so uppity he wouldn't have run for president and yet he was and so here we are.

    p.s. Derp.

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  101. I met John Dean at a book signing a few years ago. Told him he was a hero. (He probably gets told that a lot.)

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  102. Thanks, Buddy. You want to hear my take on Classic Rock radio stations?

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  103. I want that van.

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  104. You are correct, sir. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_officeholders_during_Reconstruction

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  105. Hm-m, "smashing." Sounds like the ruins of Babylon once the coalition got through with it.

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  106. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

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  107. Obama's legacy of making a deal with Iran is a hell of a lot better than Reagan's legacy of selling them weapons.

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  108. TGuerrant9:44 PM

    I want that domain name - www.fu-and-yourguns.gov

    I guess I'll have to settle for the .com version, though.

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  109. The Bush Admin. was trying to make a big scary bugaboo out of China at the time. That's why Condi Rice was Sec State, she "understood" commies. When Clinton told Bush our biggest threat was Bin Laden terrorism, Bush disagreed and said it was China.


    The recon plane was probably a deliberate effort to rile the American people up about China. Maybe to create the "Pearl Harbor" the Bush gang were yearning for.

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  110. coozledad10:07 PM

    Perfect.
    That's the way i heard it over NPR, even while NPR was sucking the Bush administration's ass.

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  111. BigHank5310:27 PM

    Fuck, they know all their rube marks are drooling over the prospect of snuff films. It'll all be a rip-off, but nobody will know until after they cough up for a ticket.

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  112. Ellis_Weiner10:45 PM

    Yes! Meaning, no, not really.

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  113. Dude, eventually Ronnie would have had them on fixed term contracts under "Right to Work" legislation and with no health care and they would have been slaves like everyone else. Big picture, people!

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  114. coozledad11:04 PM

    The way Barack wears the presidency, It's like it was thrust upon him. There wasn't anyone else at the moment.
    If he was white, the DC press corps would be licking his ass like their lives depended on it. And if he was a Republican, their lives would.

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  115. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person11:27 PM

    They have one video that they cart around from campus to campus

    The last remaining copy of the Alien Autopsy? You could basically call that thing anything you wanted...

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  116. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person11:35 PM

    But then I remember: They loved Bush. They loved Cheney. They loved the whole crew

    Add in the fact that anything Obama does right is ipso facto wrong--not because *he* did it, but because it got done at all, by any administration, when all gods chilluns know damn well Government can't AND SHOULDN'T do anything that doesn't involve dead foreigners, and the flock is flying over the cuckoo's nest in formation, at top speed. Damn, 2016 is gonna be one fucked up year...

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  117. Probably violating copyright left and right, like Donald Trump ripping off Neil Young for a campaign song.

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  118. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person11:40 PM

    In the wake of the speech, Ted Cruz was blessed and anointed by prominent dominionist pastors

    The same crew of moon-barkers that snuck in and anointed Alito's fucking Senate hearing room chair, and caused me to write steal my finest poem?
    Oh, pointy heads
    Oh, pointy-pointy
    Anoint my chair
    Anointy-nointy

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  119. Snarki, child of Loki11:41 PM

    No way...more like that the Chinese were "testing" the resolve of the new Prez., who failed miserably.

    Shrub eventually got the crew back, and the plane, after the plane was taken apart and picked clean.

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  120. FlipYrWhig11:45 PM

    Did he mention the hi-larious Greek columns?

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  121. Snarki, child of Loki11:45 PM

    "about 25 percent"

    27%

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  122. TGuerrant11:46 PM

    All of which have now been repossessed by the Germans...

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  123. FlipYrWhig11:47 PM

    The Lion King jokes write themselves.

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  124. Snarki, child of Loki11:48 PM

    Cruz still has Cuban citizenship, via his father.

    He hasn't renounced it yet.

    I'm hoping that Fidel endorses Cruz, but he might have a hard time between Cruz and Rubio.

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  125. TGuerrant11:48 PM

    Liar Ki-- Wut? Oh! Lion King. Lion King. Got it.

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  126. Snarki, child of Loki11:52 PM

    I strongly suggest that Obama does some extraordinary rendering of Shrub, Cheney and Rumsfeld to The Hague for trial. That would be a GREAT legacy.

    Or render to Pink Slime, that would be good too.

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  127. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person11:55 PM

    And trustful and verificationalistic. And obsequious, purple and clairvoyant. And dull and boring and omnipresent...

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  128. TGuerrant11:55 PM

    More important: Who's El Chapo going to endorse? He's a Texas native (La Tuna), but I don't think he's on the same page as Cruz or Perry when it comes to international trade deals.

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  129. montag212:05 AM

    Keep in mind the context of the time, as regards Cheney. Halliburton didn't make arms. He'd been given an extraordinary sum of money by Halliburton for, basically, fucking everything up (the purchase of Dresser Industries could well have sunk them). Halliburton's stock was in the tank when Cheney became VP, and within a couple of years, their KBR division (now spun off) had revived the company's health via government contracts for war support services. And, Cheney, as VP, was helpful in getting legislation that helped Halliburton evade liability for all the asbestos cases they inherited with the purchase of Dresser (a purchase Cheney was adamant about).

    So, yeah, evil bastard. But, as the book says, love of money is the root of all evil. It's not at all out of character for Cheney to have been using his office to further his own interests by furthering those of Halliburton, by war, by collusion and by extortion. And, had things gone as planned, Halliburton would be making billions in oilfield services in Iraq. You may characterize Cheney as a supervillain (albeit not a very smart one), and that's fair, but to think money didn't play a major part in that villainy is probably naive. For Big Dick, being able to torture people was just the cherry on top.

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  130. montag212:24 AM

    I think you're right about the real grifting. They're going to milk the Quiverfull crowd for everything they've got, right down to the change under the couch cushions. Maybe they'll get into the apocalypse survival food business (although Jim Bakker seems to have that one sewed up). One thing fer sure, I can't see ol' Jimbob Duggar working for a living, and he damned sure can't run for office again now, so it's pretty much in the cards that he'll be doing the work of the Christian Mafia Lord real soon.

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  131. BigHank5312:35 AM

    Don't forget the secondary effects of disrupting the Middle East. The value of Exxon-Mobile's proven reserves (oil they owned that was still in the ground) increased in value by a trillion* dollars during the Iraq war. It's gone back down since, of course, but it's still worth several times what it was in 2001.

    *Not a typo.

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  132. YNWA405151:27 AM

    Well to be fair, none of those three have actually accomplished a single positive thing in their time in office, so mission accomplished, I guess? Well done, lads. I mean, fuck right off and let's have someone who actually wants to try and govern instead, but I'm sure the wingnut faithful couldn't be more proud.

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  133. YNWA405151:43 AM

    How much of a "last day in office" laugh would that be? Some sort of thing like that point in any given episode of the A-Team, where they drug B.A. to put him on a plane: Obama asks Dick, Don and George round for a cocktail, slips 'em a mickey and they wake up in holding cells deep in an undisclosed location somewhere in the Lowlands.

    I don't go in for ranking Presidents, because really, it's sort of dumb, and the ones who aren't uniformly terrible mostly just do some things well and other things not so well and so forth . . . but if he did that, Obama would totally shoot to the top of my list. And it would be such a baller move.

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  134. Tehanu2:03 AM

    And who are :The Aristocrats!" in this scenario? Why, all of them, Katie.

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  135. montag22:31 AM

    Well, yeah. Palast did pretty good at defining it: armed madhouse. Hofstadter did, too, with the paranoid style of politics. The aforementioned Pierce got reasonably close with Idiot America. Maybe your best bet on the figures is Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians, which is available for free.

    There is the hypothesis that this country was always destined to be a giant gusher of bullshit, that a significant percentage of the population would be out of their everlovin' minds, and that such was bound to play out in the country's politics. I'm of the opinion, though, that it's gotten much, much worse in the last seventy years or so, for myriad reasons, but most of all because those authoritarians have, in concentrated and determined fashion, been trying to scare the shit out the remaining sane people, and to some degree, they've been successful.

    In the early part of the last century, workers finally said, this is pretty fucked up, and we're going to change it. Worked, too, for the most part, for a while Now, we have ordinary, decent working people cheering for the forces of their own destruction. Whatever the reasons ascribed to that, it's insane behavior, and in part because of that I can't help but think that this country has been out of its collective mind my entire life. We're so inured to the insanity that we only notice it when it's at its extremes.

    Someone once said that Israel, right back to 1948, quite consciously traded security for territorial expansion. To gain support for that policy, I think, they created a siege mentality in their citizens. The end result is that the Israelis have pretty much gone completely bugfuck in the last six decades. The same thing happened here, I think, when the military-industrial complex wanted to be fed, and when our elite decided to trade security for economic expansion (perhaps that's the reason for Arthur Vandenberg telling Truman, when Truman asked how he could get the public to accept huge increases in war spending in a time of nominal peace, "scare the hell out of them"), we became the victims of an ongoing scare campaign*, even as that ruthless economic expansion of ours created new enemies which could then be exploited as new threats.

    In the analysis of these times, one of the sane questions to ask is, "cui bono?" After seventy years of global expansion, with the U.S. taking the lion's share of global GDP, and the lion's share of resources, poverty is up, the middle class is smaller, wealth and income inequality are at all-time highs, our prison population is a world record, both in absolute and per capita terms, we've gone from the world's biggest creditor to the world's largest debtor, trade surpluses are figment of the imagination, and we're actually less secure now than in the past, and we're perpetually afraid of our shadows and obsessed with threats, both external and internal.

    I'd say that right-wingers, regardless of party, have been very successful in making us crazy, and for a purpose. They've been getting rich by doing so.

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  136. Gromet2:36 AM

    Do they pay the incest victims scale, you think, to secure the live broadcast rights?

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  137. TGuerrant2:55 AM

    Ha! As long as they aren't scientific medical experiments, I'm sure that'll go down just fine with the fan base.

    Thanks for your take on the political contributions. I started looking at the records because some of the state officials making bold statements about the molestation accusations (like, let's fire the police chief who obeyed the law in releasing the redacted report) had gotten contributions from the Duggars - in one case $1,000 from Jim Bob as well as a $1,000 from Joshua. But whoa, they're one giving family. The first contribution ever made by #2 son John-David was $2,000.

    If 19Kids had been a sitcom or a drama (that is, a show acknowledged as being scripted) and had been shot in LA, the Duggar kids would have fallen under the Coogan Act and had their earnings, work hours, and schooling protected.



    But since the show was a "documentary," their privacy and dignity could be sold without any impediments other than getting AR state work permits and providing written parental consent.



    Very Jebby child labor laws you've got there, too. Kids under 16 can work 48 hours a week 6 days a week as long as quitting time on school nights isn't later than 7 p.m. At age 16, the 48-hour rule becomes a 54-hour rule and the 7 p.m. quitting time becomes 11 p.m.

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  138. TGuerrant3:06 AM

    Jim Bob's apparently working with TLC on a "special documentary" on child sexual abuse.

    No, really. The official Duggar statement on the cancellation of 19Kids refers to the project as though it's still happening.

    Given his long and close association with the disgraced Bill Gothard (allegedly pronounced Goth-ard) that's just beyond amazing.

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  139. montag23:18 AM

    Heh. That's some major-league chutzpah. That's like John Wayne Gacy speaking out on the evil of clowns.

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  140. TGuerrant4:34 AM

    Or maybe even John Wayne Gacy speaking out on how clowns are persecuted and clowns' sisters are publicly humiliated by those who identify clowns as clowns? Dunno. It's majorly weird of TLC to do that, whatever it is.

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  141. mommadillo5:59 AM

    the Obama paintings of John McNaughton.



    Has sort of a Norman Schlockwell flavor to it, don't you think?

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  142. TGuerrant6:34 AM

    Maybe Norman Schlockwell after he lost a drunken bet with Cassius Droolidge?

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  143. Randy Gibbons7:52 AM

    I like a fair number of them songs but in recent years I often choose to drive in silence. It's the lesser evil, or positively good.

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  144. redoubtagain8:19 AM

    (I get the feeling that somewhere, some black dude named Oliver Cromwell Johnson is sharpening an axe.)

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  145. montag28:29 AM

    "King Cruz."

    Sounds like some low-rent Cuban bandleader, doesn't it?

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  146. bgnewhouse8:40 AM

    It wasn't just greed, as you say; it was still worse. If you've read as much neocon cultural critique of the 80s and 90s as I have, you'll find a persistent subtext (sometimes rising to text) of complaint about the general decadence of American society that can only be cured through the cleansing and disciplining effects of total war. In that light, the Iraq War was meant to remake American society by squelching all those decadent ironic postmodern hipster sensitivities in favor of hard masculine warrior sentiments, just like (their image of ) World War II. And who's to say they didn't succeed at doing so, at least for a while?

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  147. I assume there was life before TLC; where did their money come from then? Even if they "only" had 10 or 12 kids, that would still be quite an expensive herd to support.

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  148. Gee, I thought Israel didn't have nuclear weapons. Who knew?

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  149. I like the "gentile" part.

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  150. He's already "endorsed" Trump. Heh.

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  151. Makes NPR positively delightful.

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  152. montag29:00 AM

    I think, translated from Texan, that means white people....

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  153. No Jews in Texas, obviously.

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  154. GeniusLemur9:02 AM

    And George W. Bush is a regular guy you could have a beer with!

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  155. jennofark9:06 AM

    The problem was, too many people failed to notice that having a beer with an overaged frat boy isn't really something most people would enjoy. And this particular frat boy was a dry drunk to boot, so you're left with "have a.....with" frat boy.

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  156. montag29:08 AM

    Umm, yeah, upstanding Republican Christian white people, I should have said.

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  157. "Total" war might have worked in some of the ways you suggest that the neocons meant. If that was the idea, then they truly screwed that pooch by continuing with the all-volunteer force and Bush's comforting remarks to just "keep on shopping, America, the troops will take care of everything." It's kinda hard to have total war, with all of its supposed cleansing values, when only a microscopic percentage of the population is in uniform and everybody else is carrying on business as usual.


    I haven't done the research (fuckin' interns) but I suspect that the end of the draft and the rise of the all-volunteer force was Rumsfeld's idea mostly, coming when it did around the time of the Ford administration when Rumsfeld was SecDef. We had just been depantsed in the Vietnam war, in no small part because draftees told Uncle Sam to go fuck himself and his Army, too. Next time: no draftees, and they could have all the "little" wars they could come up with because they wouldn't have half a million people marching in the streets to protest (well, at least not all the time; they get CNN and the rest of the media to ignore the one day of worldwide protests in Feb 2003 and they're golden).


    Problem is: no draftees, no total war.

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  158. Bizarro Mike9:22 AM

    Man, you were right about Butler. One thing about the profiteering that strikes me is that it at least used to be a bipartisan mark of shame. One shouldn't sell shoddy goods to the military, one shouldn't unnecessarily profit off of the state during a time of war ... That's really out the window. Partly, I think it is caused by the war salesmen, who see complaints of profiteering as a way of avoiding or shortening the war they want to sell so badly. It's become a partisan issue now, where (only some of) the left is against it and the right seems to be all for it.

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  159. redoubtagain9:30 AM

    "Live from the Greybar Gardens Ballroom on beautiful Guantanamo Bay--it's King Cruz and his Treasonaires!"

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  160. Bizarro Mike9:32 AM

    I tried to stuff it down the memory hole, but the fascist turn of America in 2003 and 2004 was pretty horrible. I know the f-word shuts conversations down, but I remember "buy duct tape and sheet plastic" and phone lines to drop tips about terrorists and all the rest. The "Mission Accomplished" theater AGoodQuestion brings up is really on this point too.

    It is very hard for me to think about people who saw the war with its waste and brutality as a great way to do politics, but I'm sure those people were all around the levers of power. At least the part of the neocon agenda about colonizing Iraq was strategic thinking, if totally evil and run by fuck-up morons. But war as stage dressing for an election or culture war, that makes me want to puke.

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  161. TGuerrant9:40 AM

    Correct. TLC picked them up when they had 14 kids jammed into a too-small house, home schooled and home churched.

    At that point, Jim Bob had a used car lot and a towing business - good companions since the tow truck could do repos. Usually the down payment covers the dealer's costs, so any payments (often at a high interest rate) are profit, and if the car is repossessed, it can be sold all over again.

    In addition, both Jim Bob and Michelle also had real estate agent licenses (Jim Bob still does), and Jim Bob's mom had a real estate agency she ceded to him. The couple also had commercial real estate that produced rent income, including cell phone towers and a storage facility.



    He'd also served two terms in the state legislature, self-funding his first campaign, and had made unsuccessful tries for the state senate and the U.S. Senate. It was that last campaign that got the huge family on the media radar.

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  162. TGuerrant9:43 AM

    Wut? And he didn't die from socialist radio cooties?

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  163. Wow, home-schooling 14 kids. How is that even legal? Did they have tutors come in or was it just Michelle and Jim Bob? That's got to be one of the weirdest couples even put upon this earth.

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  164. Oh, fer shure. I doubt that Daddy Cruz has been rehabilitated to the point where he no longer believes that The Jews Killed Christ. To say nothing of the Mud People.

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  165. Nailed it.

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  166. Seriously, he called for an end to church tax exemptions? If that's so, he'd be right, but for the wrong reasons of course.

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  167. montag210:12 AM

    Well, Richard Nixon, for starters, when Golda Meir `fessed up to it, and who promised to keep it a deep, dark secret.

    Nixon, as we all have come to realize, was full of surprises.

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  168. Just as an aside, how come we're not more like Australia, that other nation founded (and stolen from its indigenous inhabitants) by European white people? Could it be because so many of our original original residents were religious fanatics? You might have thought that prisoners would make for a less well-ordered society, but shit, just as an example, they gave up their guns years ago and we're still blasting away at anything that makes us scared.

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  169. TGuerrant10:14 AM

    It was Michelle alone and then the older kids schooling the younger kids using curricula and materials from Bill Gothard's Advanced Training Institute. Michelle completed high school but has no teacher training.

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  170. Nothing I learn about Nixon surprises me anymore. Hunter Thompson, RIP, brother.

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  171. TGuerrant10:24 AM

    Tim Minchin, Australian atheist/song writer/actor, has opined exactly that - that American colonists defined themselves and their reason for coming here in terms of religion and that has hung on for centuries. While in Europe and Australia, religion's pretty much a social construct, here it's the core of identity. I think he's got a point.

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  172. Randy Gibbons10:25 AM

    Not exactly. He thinks the churches and schools should refuse them.

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  173. susanoftexas10:27 AM

    But if I read him right that's baloney. He loves to call for big actions but when pinned down it always deflates to homeschooling and dinner parties.

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  174. montag210:34 AM

    Ah, well, they're kinda nuts, too. These are the people that voted in Tony Abbott as their PM, after all. And Abbott has just recently banned investment in alternative energy, and has been kissing the asses of the big mining companies. And they do let 70-ton, 120-ft long trucks do 140 mph in the outback (maybe they just like video of spectacular crashes). And, jaysus, have you seen the fans of Australian rules football?

    Maybe it's because they haven't grown that much, population-wise, so there's not enough GDP to steal, so the stakes are lower. Maybe it's because 9/10ths of the country is virtually uninhabitable, so they don't have a heartland full of loonies. Dunno.

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  175. Randy Gibbons10:36 AM

    Heh. "Turn inward" was his phrase, but I'm not betting on it. Oh, and no right-wing church or school is going to turn down federal money to avoid meddling. Not like red states turning down Medicaid money. They want subsidies without any strings. A sort of church-industrial complex including charter schools that cannot be held to standards.

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  176. Again, how is that even legal? Yes, that's a rhetorical question, but it's a good one nevertheless. I spent the 70s and 80s cosseted in the U.S. military, such that when I came out in 1990, I suddenly found this weird shit that people were allowed to do, which was to not send their kids to school. WTF? said I. My first contact with it was with a co-worker whose seven kids were being home-schooled by him and his wife. At least she was a former teacher and he has a bachelor's degree. Still: "Are you shitting me?" I think was my first reaction. My second reaction came when I learned that this man believes the world to be 20,000 years old.


    It's monstrous.

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  177. montag210:41 AM

    Juan Williams' fawning interviews of Kindasleezza Rice and Dick Cheney drove me away from NPR forever, but, gaw-ud damn, if they're going to Crunchy Fucking Con for perspective, they have really dived down the fucking rabbit hole, haven't they?

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  178. Oh, that'll work. And then they say, We'll give up our exemptions when you give up yours, Rod.

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  179. susanoftexas10:44 AM

    You always hear about the homeschooler who got into Yale. You rarely hear about the parent who claims to be homeschooling the kids to avoid truancy fines or have a free babysitter so she can go out and party. Or who is just too stupid to be teaching anyone.

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  180. Randy Gibbons10:44 AM

    Well see, they needed him to balance the atheist left-wing ravings of ... hmm, I must have missed that part of the segment.


    Dreher does speak calmly, such that some folks must think him reasonable. Non-English speakers, for sure.

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  181. susanoftexas10:46 AM

    They put McArdle on NPR. She's one of their go-to "smart people." What else needs to be said?

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  182. susanoftexas10:47 AM

    From what I"ve seen on my Twitter feed they are having problems with right-wing fear-mongering too.

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  183. "In the 1960s, Rousas John Rushdoony began to advocate homeschooling, which he saw as a way to combat the intentionally secular nature of the public school system in the United States."


    That pretty much tells you all you need to know about homeschooling in America. If Rushdoony says it, make the sign of the cross and run the other way. The man is dangerous.

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  184. montag210:53 AM

    They've been getting away with meddling in politics for a long while, and that's the gist of ol' Rod's complaint--that they can't push their political agendas while accepting tax exempt status, which they are doing now, anyway, and have been for several decades, IRS be fucked.

    No one has ever had to accuse Rod of thinking things through.

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  185. TGuerrant10:53 AM

    Or the ones claiming to be home schooling to hide abuse or neglect. Kids who go to school have some chance of getting help.

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  186. montag210:53 AM

    Dived down the rabbit hole and landed on their heads, apparently.

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  187. Yeah, you'd almost think he was telling them to stop doing that.

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  188. Randy Gibbons10:59 AM

    Precisely, that's the other side of the coin, they want their meddling subsidized, but no backsies.

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  189. montag211:00 AM

    Well, Rushdoony has been dead for some time. Maybe the bigger threat to sanity in this country is the guy who bankrolled Rushdoony for years, Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr.

    Google that name and be prepared to take a step back.

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  190. TGuerrant11:03 AM

    Yeah, each state deals with it differently. Arkansas requires home schooling parents to notify their local school district of their plans once a year and have their children's academic progress assessed at the end of grades 3 through 9. There's no required minimum score, though, and scores are collected only for statistical purposes. Parents aren't required to provide instruction in any particular subjects and don't need any educational qualifications.

    In Texas, the requirements are even looser. Parents don't have to notify local school districts and no assessments are conducted, though instruction does have to be provided in certain subjects - citizenship, math, reading, spelling, and grammar. Science? Ha, no.

    New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island are at the opposite end of the spectrum. They try to ensure home schooling will be comparable to public schooling or better. Isn't it interesting how they're all clustered in one particular area of these United States?

    Damn liberals.

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  191. He's a Democrat now, apparently over taxation and eminent domain issues. And he wasted almost a million-four trying to block same-sex marriage in California. Did I mention that he's a Democrat now? That should be interesting.


    (By mistake I first Googled his father and thought, "Gee, he doesn't seem so bad." The apple definitely can fall far from the tree.)

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  192. montag211:14 AM

    I think I understand why Texas standards are so loose--I've seen 5th-6th grade Christian homeschool textbooks on science (yes, they exist), and they're a horror.

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  193. I just took a (very) quick look at the legal history of homeschooling and lo, it looks like it's mostly been court-driven. Is that so? I'm curious about the legislative history behind this movement, but I wonder if there really is any or if legislatures have just sat back and let the courts decide what families can do.

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  194. Magatha11:28 AM

    I just re-watched the Dixie Chicks documentary Shut Up And Sing, and once again realized how insane it was as the war started. The Chicks were starting their tour in Europe, where the streets were teeming with huge numbers of anti-war protestors, and the Chicks themselves were carefully watching the news, as were many of us. Natalie Maine's comments about the president were choice, and were completely in context, especially given what she was seeing out on the streets.


    And then they got destroyed. They didn't just get criticized, they got annihilated, targeted by the nastiest cruelest manifestations of our national ugliness. I'm so happy they made that last brilliant album, but damn, I can't even.

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  195. susanoftexas11:29 AM

    Yes, that was one aspect of the Duggars' criminal behavior regarding their daughters. If the girl never leaves the compound, so to speak, she has no idea she has the right to be protected against abuse.

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