If you think it's not about playing the odds in a late-night street encounter, but about day-to-day life where black people get treated like shit on a regular basis even in daylight, Dreher knows all about that -- he too has suffered from racial prejudice:
The time that stands out to me was years ago, when I was applying for a newspaper job that I really wanted, and was told that I was perfect for it. Then the paper stopped returning my calls. Finally, an executive there told me that either the editor-in-chief or the publisher, can’t remember which, decreed that a minority or a woman must be hired for that job. It was humiliating and infuriating to me. All I was to that newsroom executive was a white male.Also, can you believe it, in the little Louisiana town where he moved to, some of the black people have negative feelings about white people. But they're not all like that: Dreher knows this black lady whose mother "prefers to hire white repairmen because based on experience, she trusts them to do better work. Who am I to argue with this woman’s experience? Who are you? If it was your money at stake, would you profile in this way?"
Dreher is the upscale Internet world equivalent of the sort of Reasonable Racists you're bound to run into if your scope of acquaintances is wide enough. Mention the difficulties of black life in America, and you'll get the exact same routines: I was mugged by black guy so I know. Oh, you were mugged by one too? If you still don't see how dangerous they are, you're blinded by political correctness. Listen, black people racial-profile me all the time, I went to this bar one time and they wouldn't serve me...
They always have an argument, and they always say they want a "dialogue." (So does Dreher, here: "Why is it right in college admissions and hiring to reduce individuals to their race or gender? I’m not asking rhetorically. I really would like to hear what you have to say...") But you, my readers, are pretty well-travelled, and you know what they really want: They want you to tell them they're not bad people for feeling the way they do.
If you won't give it to them they way they prefer, right away, as something they're owed as a fellow white person, then they'll get argumentative. If you say, as Yglesias said about his assault, "that was a single incident on one day out of thousands. The overwhelming preponderance of black men I walk past on the street on a day-to-day basis... aren’t committing any violent crimes," the racist will say something like what Dreher says: "But it is reasonable to assume that if you are going to be a violent crime victim in DC — as most people in Washington are not, and never will be — then your assailant will almost certainly be a young black male." See? You have statistics, he has statistics. Now why don't you be reasonable and admit he's not a bad person?
The one thing that never occurs to these guys is that racism is not like monetarism or socialism or academicism or henotheism or anarcho-syndicalism; it's not a thought system we can sit up arguing about all night and be, other than the hangover, none the worse for wear after; it's cancer. Centuries of experience documented by historians and artists show it, if you need guidance, but a few years living in America ought to wise you up to it pretty quick all by itself.
I like to contend about everything, but you know what? On this subject, there really isn't anything to discuss.
Well Rod, maybe that newsroom executive knew that a black newspaperman would do better work than a racist white newspaperman. Who are you to argue with his experience? If it was your money at stake, would you profile in this way?
ReplyDeleteThey don't believe they're racists because what they think and say are true dammit! If you say the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, does that mean you "suncist?" huh? huh? Buncha shitweasels.
ReplyDeleteIf this is another post-Zimmerman whinge on Rod's part, let me be the first to remind him that Martin was not approaching anyone. He was being approached. And somehow he's the one who ended up dead.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know, Rod, this is what those 'racist black people' you're worried about tend to be angry over. It's not just 'Well, it's reasonable to be cautious around black guys, right?' Bad enough on its own, but you and your neo-confederate friends have changed the rules so that any black man minding his own business is a threat to be dealt with. And they just had it affirmed to them in a court of law that they probably won't be punished, no matter what they do. This is not cautiously and judiciously avoiding trouble, it's the opposite: starting trouble, then getting off scot-free because the legal system thinks your white skin makes you more innocent than your victim's black skin.
Christ, what a disingenuous tool.
So, once again, we have Crunchy Rod furiously whanging away at that obstinately limp, white dick of his.
ReplyDeleteDamned black people. It's all their fault.
I must marry Roy and have all his babies
ReplyDeletekia will understand
ReplyDeleteRacial groups who've tried to murder me with their cars while I have been riding a bike in Philly or North Carolina:
ReplyDeleteWhite
Black
East Asian
The only people I'm going to trust from now on are Aborigines, Amerindians, Polynesians, Khoisan, Berbers, Dravidians, Turks (excepting Kazakhs), and maybe, just maybe, Mongols.
It's always amusing when dipshits like Rod whine like a bitch in heat when they get the short end of the stick from the "Free Market".
ReplyDelete"Yeeeah, uh, Mr....Dreher, is it? We're not going to be able to give you that job because...uh, we have to give it to a minority applicant! Yeah, that's it! So off you go, and we'll call you if something else comes up. Yeah, we'll call you."
ReplyDeleteI have only three times been the victim of violent crime; each episode was perpetrated by white men. The last time, in Bakersfield, I was discussing the incident with a co-worker, and happened to mention that I was originally from Oakland. The co-worker was amazed that I had survived living in such a violent place, with all of "those people".
ReplyDeleteAll I was to that newsroom executive was a white male.
ReplyDeleteThat's so unfair. If they'd gotten to know you they'd realize you're a complete solipsist and kind of an asshole.
Why should I be surprised, though? It was only a matter of time before someone went, "Yeah, Trayvon Martin, boo hoo. The real crime is affirmative action."
A's fans?
ReplyDeleteWonderful, Roy.
ReplyDelete"The one thing that never occurs to these guys is that racism is not like
ReplyDeletemonetarism or socialism or academicism or henotheism or
anarcho-syndicalism; it's not a thought system we can sit up arguing
about all night and be, other than the hangover, none the worse for wear
after; it's cancer."
Damn, Roy, you use your tongue prettier than... but seriously: You called it, right here. God, I wish I could write like you.
I was applying for a newspaper job that I really wanted, and was told that I was perfect for it. Then the paper ... decreed that a minority or a woman must be hired for that job.
ReplyDeleteJust as Reagan's memory of his "World War II service" was based on a hazily-recalled Hollywood film, it looks like Dreher's memeory of his job search is based on a hazily-recalled Jesse Helms campaign ad.
Jesus is white.
ReplyDeleteI have pictures.
But wait! His harrowing story of racial victimization has a surprise ending! No really, it's totally unexpected!
ReplyDeleteFortunately, by the time they got around to calling me and saying that they couldn’t find a woman or a minority whose qualifications matched mine, so they’d be willing to talk to me about the job, I had another, better job, and could tell them to get stuffed.
Must be a killer on the bigot cocktail party circuit.
Nicely said.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is, I've been known to detour to avoid large groups of white teenage boys. I cannot shake the feeling they're suddenly going to decide to beat me up and take my lunch money.
ReplyDeleteI do not use this as evidence that teenage boys are all Vic Morrow in The Blackboard Jungle or as proof my fear proves the threat is real.
But of course, I'm not Crunchy Rod.
And it kind of gives the lie to the implication they were only interested in finding a minority or a woman, qualifications be damned.
ReplyDeleteTo assholes like Rod, "racism" is just an excuse black people use to cover up their natural inferiority.
ReplyDeleteIt's the business equivalent of telling someone you aren't interested in romantically that you are "seeing someone else." Telling someone you "had to give the job to a minority or a woman" stops them from badgering you. It's usually followed with "can't we just be friends" and then you bond over fake stories of black racisim.
ReplyDeleteAll I can remember is crumpling up that letter. I *needed* that job!
ReplyDeleteRaiduhs.
ReplyDelete~
Seconded.
ReplyDeleteBTW, racism isn't just "baked into America"; it's the heat that does the baking and the oven in which it was baked.
Yes, it reminds me of a story told by a cabdriver to an idiot.
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Silly liberals, the plural of anecdote is data!
ReplyDeleteNo Kapauku Papuans? RACIST!
ReplyDeleteWhere is the fetus going to gestate? In a box?
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see that decree. I bet it's written on parchment with elegant calligraphy and has a big seal on it and everything.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, though, you can just imagine the scenario at that paper:
"Oh, hell. That guy? You know, the one who thought we'd hire him on the spot, and wouldn't stop calling? He's out on the sidewalk now, asking practically everyone who walks by if they're an 'executive' with the paper."
"Shit. I'd call the cops but he really does look like the type who might come back with a gun."
"OK, I'll just tell him that we've got some quota or something for affirmative opportunity or whatever the hell they call it. He looks like the type who would believe that, too."
Dang, beat me to it.
ReplyDelete"It's not you, it's meus, really!"
ReplyDeleteWhen he lived in DC, Rod used to cross the street if he saw "young black men dressed like street thugs" coming at him, but not if they were clothed in "office wear."
ReplyDeleteBut if he was hanging out with Mark Judge, the two of them would stand astride their bicycles and glare at black guys, just mentally daring them to start something.
I'm fairly certain you could find a sea sponge whose qualifications match Rod Dreher's.
ReplyDeleteHey,whole careers have been launched on that!
ReplyDeleteI once found a dead one that would be more than up for the task.
ReplyDeleteoh, before I forget, a big happy birthday to Roy, the keeper of our little asylum here.
Look man, the microwave HAS been invented.
ReplyDeleteYeah, on the off chance that this isn't a Penthouse Letter, that business was definitely doing affirmative action rong.
ReplyDeleteFinally, an executive there told me that either the editor-in-chief or
ReplyDeletethe publisher, can’t remember which, decreed that a minority or a woman
must be hired for that job. It was humiliating and infuriating to me....
and so rather than use the privilege available to me to work for a world where race or gender or sexual orientation or physical ability were not determining factors, i found solace (and fame!) in becoming a right-wing asshole.
I detour around white guys with executive hair and expensive suits. Those guys are dangerous
ReplyDeleteNo shit. They got weapons of cash destruction.
ReplyDeleteMost of the time, Dreher winds up quoting Steve Sailer when he talks about race.
ReplyDeleteWhen I wrote "have" I meant as in "consume". We regret the error.
ReplyDeleteP.S. It's our host's birthday.
ReplyDeleteIn that case, I repeat my previous recommendation. Always nice when you give the same solution to two different situations.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I already mentioned that, sheesh! But if he expects presents, he shoulda made a wishlist. Or at least give us one now...The slacker...
ReplyDeleteWhoops, sorry! I missed it. We regret the error.
ReplyDeleteWe ARE his present!
Hell, in Rod's case, the singular of anecdote is data.
ReplyDeleteHappy Anniversary of RoyEdrosoBirth!
ReplyDeleteI think unpacking me would be pretty gross, though.
ReplyDeleteLet's have a bg round of applause for his parents gettin' nasty 'n' freaky!
ReplyDelete"I was applying for a newspaper job that I really wanted,"
ReplyDeleteSee, you guys? He really wanted it. Oh, sure, it was a newspaper, and therefore arguably had an explicit relationship, every day, with the community it served. Yeah, yeah, that meant maintaining good relations with its readership and advertisers (both groups of whom probably included one black guy), but also with the entire community, into which it would send, every day, its reporters and photographers. So it may have struck some executives as a good idea for the paper to present to the community a staff that reflected the composition of the community itself. So big fat what? He REALLY WANTED it.
Well, I got out of the boat, and as usual, Roy has been entirely to kind and forgiving to Brother Rod. Here's Mr. Dreher's opening sentence:
ReplyDeleteRichard Cohen, a fellow creepy-ass cracka pundit, wrote...
I know you're trying to be sarcastic, Rod, but all you've done here is announce you're on Zimmerman's team. I'd ask if that's really what you intended, but you know what? The rest of your column carefully explains that was your intent.
The whole thing is just chock-full of astoundingly privilege, which Rod is entirely blind to because he's such a nice guy. Here's one:
When I’ve read some of you on this board talk about how freaked out you would be by the sight of someone displaying a Confederate flag, I think about how off that reaction is. I mean, it’s possible that a white person displaying that flag is a dangerous racist, but chances are they are harmless.
Let me go out on a limb here and make a guess, Rod: you're white, aren't you? So you don't have much to fear from a neo-Confederate, do you? Can you grasp that some people might have a justification for being a little more worried by the Confederate flag? That some of them might be among your readers? I'm willing to bet you cash money that a lot of those black folks from your little Southern town, in addition to providing you with a bottomless supply of folksy anecdotes, can also read, and even post the occasional comment?
Here's one of those anecdotes, about a local town meeting:
One black citizen who spoke at a meeting even argued that whites cannot represent blacks. It was straight-up racist. It is confounding and
hurtful, and it is just flat-out wrong. All this woman sees is color, not individuality, and there are many like her. The bigotry on display is depressing as hell.
So she's a bigot, but you're just a prudent gentleman for assuming that young black men in DC are thugs. Gotcha.
Behave yourself or we'll "forget" to put air-holes in the box this time.
ReplyDeleteAnd so say all of us.
ReplyDeleteWhen you only have one data point, you can draw any line you like through it. So we really shouldn't be too surprised when Rod concludes, yet again, that he is the sweetest, kindest, most warm-hearted gentleman in the whole world.
ReplyDelete"When I’ve read some of you on this board talk about how freaked out you would be by the sight of someone displaying a Confederate flag, I think about how off that reaction is. I mean, it’s possible that a white person displaying that flag is a dangerous racist, but chances are they are harmless."
ReplyDeleteOr a Nazi flag. It's a PIECE OF CLOTH, people. The folks who display them are racists, yes, but they're *harmless* racists. Or does Political Correctness condemn that, too, now?
I can subsist on suckin' the air out of the packing peanuts.I'm crafty.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe a word of that shit. Someone from HR told him that? And the "better job" part, too. Pulling anecdotes out of your ass is not an argument.
ReplyDeleteAll I was to that newsroom executive was a white male.
ReplyDeleteAs the Bard of Hibbing said, "How does it feeeel?"
Indeed. Happy b-day, Roy!
ReplyDeleteBut still, a wishlist, Roy? Would it have hurt? I hate to guess at desires. I usually end up in novelty sex-shops. Granted, i do that anyway, but you see what I'm saying. Oh, and cake woulda been nice.
ReplyDeleteFull of sound and fury...
ReplyDelete"The N-Word": Black people can use the word any time they want but if a white guy says it, there will be hell to pay. "Cracker" on the other hand, anyone can say the word “cracker.” The Nabisco Company has made a fortune slapping that word on most all their products and nobody gives a damn. Imagine what would happen if that very same company were to come out with a product called “Chocolate Glazed Nigger Snaps!” There would be hell to pay. Why the double standard?
ReplyDeleteThere is a high profile racially tinged criminal trial going on right now-No not the Zimmerman Trial- The Bulger Trial. I understand that he is a mobster and a murderer but that’s no good reason to bring race into the picture. The media is all “Whitey Bulger” this and “Whitey Bulger” that, “Whitey Whitey Whitey!” I get it, he’s a white guy but what does that fact have to do with anything? Did we call the O.J. Simpson Trial the Blackie Simpson Trial? No we did not.* Why the double standard?
Fags: I can light up a fag on the streets of London, England any time I like and nobody would give a damn or even bat an eye but just try to do the same thing in San Francisco or anywhere else in the U.S. and everyone will shout “Hate Crime! Hate Crime!” at you. Again I ask, why the double standard?
Snark off, full stop: Words can hurt but context matters.
Political Correctness: I hate political correctness. I hate people who hate political correctness. Political correctness is just a word for politeness and treating people with respect although at times some people take sensitivity too far. Ironically anti-political correctness can be worse. All too often, anti-P.C. folks use the word as a bludgeon to silence people who are offended by assholes. They will shout “You’re being P.C.” as if that automatically wins them the argument. Fuck them both and thank you for your time wasted on reading my little rant.
You shouldn't have.
ReplyDelete“I heard a story a couple of years ago about a town in the next
ReplyDeleteparish over. A wealthy white man with a terrible temper shot and killed a black
man on the main street, in broad daylight, because the black man supposedly
disrespected him. The white man never had to answer in court for the murder.
That was something like 80 years ago, but within living memory, black people
were being terrorized by the Klan and its allies.”
Wow, 80 years ago. Man, we don’t really need to concern
ourselves with that anymore – it’s the past.
Now Mr. Dreher, let me share with you a story I heard a couple
days ago about something that happened in a town in Florida. A self-appointed “Community
Watch” volunteer shot and killed a black kid because the black kid supposedly
disrespected him by….i don’t know….being present in Community Watch guys gated
community. The murderer was originally sent on his way by the police – no harm
no foul. Only after community outcry was he charged – but of course not
convicted.
Gee, maybe it’s not “history” after all...
You just insulted the entire right wing and most of my in-laws! Kudos.
ReplyDeleteBut who could blame blacks for looking at whites not as individuals, but
ReplyDeleteas an undifferentiated Other, given that to make a mistake on that
front could cost them their lives? Times have changed, but you don’t
erase that cultural memory so quickly.
I can kind of see Rod's point here. Can we really blame blacks for the horrible racism they inflict on white people?
I mean, it’s possible that a white person displaying that flag is a dangerous racist, but chances are they are harmless.
ReplyDeleteOh sure, they are most likely harmless. They are also most definitely assholes who are pleased with and proud of their assholery, unlike a person simply wearing a hoodie.
A tale told by an idiot . . .
ReplyDeleteand not one of those southern Sicilian type Italians either.
ReplyDeleteThey'll steal a lot more than your lunch money.
ReplyDeleteRod Dreher has written about religion, politics, film and culture in National Review and National Review Online, The Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal, Touchstone, Men’s Health, the Los Angeles Times, and other publications. He was a film reviewer for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and chief film critic for The New York Post. His commentaries have been broadcast on National Public Radio’s All Things Considered, and he has appeared on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Court TV and other television networks
ReplyDeleteWHY IS THE BLACK MAN HOLDING HIM DOWN?
The other possibility is that Dreher kept calling the paper, possibly bothering the wrong editor and, that editor, having met Rod Dreher and noticed he was a humorless conservative tool with weird hangups, decided to fuck with him in a way that would they thought would particularly get his goat.
ReplyDelete...the sort of Reasonable Racists you're bound to run into if your scope of acquaintances is wide enough.
ReplyDeleteI doubt it needs to be any wider than a single blog comment thread.
The thing I don't get about this idea is, what good does it do to cross the street? Does he think its like vampires and running water and the street thugs couldn't just also cross and get him if they had ill-intent? Indeed, crossing the street for no reason is going to make him stand out to the dusky criminal horde.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like the Hollywood conservatives who can't find work because of politics and not because they suck. That's why George Clooney and not Tom Sellick got the part in the Descendants.
ReplyDeleteThat and the fact that her experience more than likely has proven to her that the white representatives of her community never did anything to benefit the black members of her community. When you live in a town where, as in my mom's small East Texas town, the curbs and sidewalks disappear from the road as soon as it crosses the railroad tracks into the black neighborhood, it's pretty easy to get a sense that the white elected officials don't represent the black citizens.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention HR. You don't turn applicant's down until you have the offer letter signed and in hand. Complete shenanigans on that story.
ReplyDeleteI believe the Right, macho as they are, refer to this technique by its mixed martial arts name, "Getting a headstart."
ReplyDeleteHere's the thing, Rod. Like Yglesias, I was mugged by a couple of black kids once. But in 50 years of walking past black folks on the streets, it's never happened again. On the other hand, I can't count the number of white assholes who've tried to convince me to buy into their racism. So if I was going to cross the street to avoid somebody ...
ReplyDeleteBut according to Ann Coulter's latest column, Martin "mugged" Zimmerman. Yes, she actually wrote that.
ReplyDeleteFor he's a jolly good fellow,...
ReplyDeleteOh my god:Leopoldo Pospisil was one of my thesis advisors.
ReplyDelete"But they're not all like that: Dreher knows this black lady whose mother 'prefers to hire white repairmen because based on experience, she trusts them to do better work. Who am I to argue with this woman’s experience? Who are you? If it was your money at stake, would you profile in this way?'".
ReplyDeleteObviously she doesn't know her own mind. What she really needs to do is get her some Mexicans.
But it's down to this level that Dreher has been brought: he's been reduced making a living by trumpeting the preferences of prejudiced old biddies from Louisiana through the media. I guess the idea is that they're predjudiced black biddies which A) makes it okay, and B) lends a little soupçon of a bite. It's still not work for an honest man, though.
BTW: my own Mom, when she's got some building-work to do around her house, hires a female contractor if she can, on the expectation that women in the contracting business need work and on the theory that there aren't enough of them. How dare she.
Dreher & Co.: "We've realized that it always behooves us to be cautious around young black guys!! Really we have!! We're so cautious around young black guys that we think it's a good idea to follow them around with guns, and they can't say they haven't asked for it, what with them being so scary and all!!"
ReplyDelete"Finally, an executive there told me that either the editor-in-chief or the publisher, can’t remember which, decreed that a minority or a woman must be hired for that job. It was humiliating and infuriating to me"
ReplyDeleteWow, that was a clumsy and stupid way to try and spare the man embarassment. Why didn't he see it for what it was, a hastily concocted excuse to avoid telling Rod what they thought of his mentality.
Uh-oh, hoodied black man coming, I'd better cross the street. I'l show him he can't intimidate me!
ReplyDeleteFull of sound and fury..."
ReplyDeleteUnder-tipping will do that.
"BTW: my own Mom, when she's got some building-work to do around her house, hires a female contractor if she can,"
ReplyDeleteThere's worse than that! My wife always tries to get me to do it!
The lengths that Rod will go to in order to avoid self-examination cannot be measured.
ReplyDeleteIf we do not stop these stereotyping, labeling, biases, and prejudices towards others, then these racists thoughts will never cease to end. There are bad or worst "white men" as it's true to the "blacks". And this is quite true with the rest of the human race. Respect! I believe this is the word. We have to respect each other's differences and let's stop instilling to the future generation this kind of thinking.
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