Wednesday, April 03, 2013

WHY NOBODY LIKES THE GOLDBERG FRAUD SQUAD.

Jonah Goldberg has been leading a charge of his fellow creeps against the large numbers of disability beneficiaries in the United States. He's already had some answers, but I think this response of his deserves another:
The most intriguing complaints come from people who are in effect saying that, since they have serious disabilities, it’s outrageous for me to question anyone’s disability claim. I think most people can see the flaw in this thinking. In fact, I’m flummoxed as to why people with real disabilities wouldn’t be the ones clamoring the loudest to stamp out fraud. Maybe disability checks would be more generous if voters thought they were subsidizing fewer cheats?
It would be difficult for Goldberg to see it, considering who he hangs out with, but not everyone is like him. And, in rare good news for the Republic, there are even fewer people like him than there used to be.

Back in sunnier times, when there seemed to be some relationship between the good fortune of Wall Street and the average American's purchasing power, we had an easier time believing that there was something morally superior about making money, and therefore something wicked about being poor. Those old Reagan-era stories about welfare queens and strapping young bucks with T-bone steaks, idiotic as they were, got a lot of people who should have known better to think, yes, maybe we should reform welfare, because even though snatching back some of the scraps we've been throwing the paupers won't enrich us much, it would be better for America and our souls if we at least tried to be mean sons of bitches. For look at the Masters of the Universe! It's not charitable instincts powering their economic miracle, but enlightened self-interest.

Came the collapse, that hooey became harder to swallow. Since it's turned out that the worse we do the more Wall Street rallies, we can't even stand the smell of it.

Conservatives are still telling us about the queens and bucks, though, trying to get us back into pauper-bashing shape. Fox News reports the so-called poor have refrigerators so why are they complaining; well-fed rightbloggers are outraged that welfare recipients spend some of their money on fast food and movie rentals; Jonah Goldberg wants to know which of these cripples are faking it, and his asshole buddy is talking about this guy he knows who pulled himself up by his bootstraps so why can't they, etc.

It isn't going over like it used to because there's this funny thing about Americans: We tend to be nicer to each other when times are rough than when they're easy. We get more sympathetic to other people who are having it hard in life because we know we're only a few paychecks away from it ourselves and, being human, we react with sympathy, rather than like George Costanza to a fire at a children's party.

And this applies in ambiguous circumstances, too -- what Goldberg in his pretense of magnanimity calls the "grayer area." If someone's a bum who spends the change you give him on drugs, he's still a bum; if someone's living off the dole, it's still not much of a living, and it certainly affords far fewer options and rewards than a viable working life. And if some disability pensioners are less disabled than the law might allow, what a sad pass they've come to, that they would go through all that to claim some miserly stipend. That poverty is not pure -- "the poor," Jimmy Breslin has said more than once, "are a pain in the ass" -- doesn't mean it's not poverty.

But maybe you need to have some minimal capacity for empathy to see that. Someone who wonders why the disabled aren't as eager as he is to turn in frauds, and offers them fatter checks in hopes of motivating them, probably doesn't qualify.

UPDATE. Comments are more eloquent than I was; here's a prime cut from D. Johnston:
That, my lazy little friend, is why people with "real" disabilities hate what you're doing - they understand your true intent. There is no part of me that believes you are honestly interested in rooting out fraud. There are sectors of the government far more vulnerable to fraud - the military, for instance - that you don't seem to care about. They believe - as do I - that your objective is to make people think that people on disability are liars so you can spend the next twenty years using them as scapegoats.

131 comments:

  1. Spaghetti Lee11:47 PM

    Those stories about strapping young bucks and welfare moms, of course, coincided with the rise of a small group of wealthy businessmen becoming even wealthier, through what very charitable people might call 'restructuring' of employees' salaries and pensions (and what uncharitable people might call 'highway fucking robbery'). Despite what the National Review would have you believe, most people don't exactly like Wall Street, which is why the constant flow of disability-fraud (welfare-cheat, union thug, lazy public schoolteacher, etc.) stories are needed. Enough people can get fooled into being angry at those to forget about Wall Street. They're a more available target, for one. You can shoot dirty looks at the lady paying at WalMart with food stamps, but you'll probably never meet the guy who sent your job to China.


    I try to avoid 'conservatives are all like this, liberals are all like this' stuff-it seems so David Brooks-y, you know?-but it seems like the animating passion for a lot of 'fiscally responsible' conservatives (the ones who aren't getting rich from the con, that is) is a pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is getting something they don't deserve. Some of them really would rather see dozens of people go without disability payments if it meant one fraudster got stopped. Now, I don't think social service fraud is good, but I also don't think you'll ever reduce it to zero, and I just can't get worked up about small-potatoes fraud if people who actually need it can get it. And when there's a group of rich businessmen in this country who get feted by business and politics mags and go on TV to complain about lazy workers and bitch about a 5% tax increase on their million-dollar incomes despite being little more than common crooks in nice suits, I find it even harder to care.

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  2. In fact, I’m flummoxed as to why people with real disabilities wouldn’t be the ones clamoring the loudest to stamp out fraud.


    I'll field this one.


    There's this belief within modern conservatism - unarticulated but clearly present - that it's a grave injustice to give assistance to someone who's unworthy. Your worldview is really based around dividing people into worthy and unworthy categories, and then thoroughly demonizing the latter. Many of your colleagues built their careers around this, in fact.


    The way this is done is very simple. You pick out a group whom you consider unworthy, then find a way to rhetorically tie them to something that is widely considered unsavory. You guys have done this a lot over the past few decades, but I'll use a recent example - drug testing people on public assistance. There's no evidence that poor people in general or people who receive aid in particular use drugs more than the general populace. This objection was dismissed out of hand. I maintain that this because the true intention was to wed "drug abuse" and "welfare" in the public mind.


    That, my lazy little friend, is why people with "real" disabilities hate what you're doing - they understand your true intent. There is no part of me that believes you are honestly interested in rooting out fraud. There are sectors of the government far more vulnerable to fraud - the military, for instance - that you don't seem to care about. They believe - as do I - that your objective is to make people think that people on disability are liars so you can spend the next twenty years using them as scapegoats.


    And that's why they hate you, Jonah. They know you.

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  3. bulletsarepeopletoo11:59 PM

    "Maybe disability checks would be more generous if voters thought they were subsidizing fewer cheats?"

    Really? Since when have I, as a taxpayer, ever had a direct say as to where my tax dollars go and how much of it a beneficiary will get? As for subsidizing cheats, when is Goldberg & his ilk going to complain about all the corporations who either don't pay their taxes, get unnecessary subsidies, or commit million dollar medicare fraud. I care more about the fraud of billions of dollars that corporations commit versus the thousands that a few "disabled" people might be getting.

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  5. AGoodQuestion12:47 AM

    All this beating the shrubs for fraud come from the same instinct as ballot reform. I wouldn't be surprised if disability fraud - depending on how you define "fraud" - is more common than voter fraud, if only because more people want money than want to vote. But in both cases, the transgressions are incredibly fucking rare.


    No, the goal in both cases is to intimidate legitimate claims. The right to vote? The right not to starve? The toiling classes might be more manageable if they don't fancy themselves as having rights.

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  6. mortimer1:11 AM

    I wouldn't ordinarily imagine that anyone could be more swinish on this subject than the Doughy Shitload but his buddy David French may actually have the edge here. French isn't content just to weed out "fraud," his problem is with the entire Social Security Disability program -- or even the idea that there are disabled people or that we should help them. In fact, to French, the program itself causes disability. Once again (Alicublog has been down this road before) he resurrects his imaginary friend "Rob" who manages to easily get Social Security disability benefits in a couple of months merely by making a claim. Soon Rob's making "roughly" the same money as he made on his last job, because even though French doesn't tell us what the actual benefits are, clearly it's way too much if it's "roughly equal" to an actual job. (Of course, Roy's link to the Atlantic Wire piece shows that the percentage of applications for disability that result in awards is actually falling, and the average monthly disability payment is $1,132, which is based on average lifetime earnings. Not to mention that it can take years to be approved, and you don't get your first check until 6 months after that happens.)

    It should be no surprise that David French is also an almost stereotypically überpious Christian scold in all things, and a former Evangelical for Mitt (not kidding). Even his flatulent, smarmy epigone hasn't got that kind of dogma in him. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

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  7. Tehanu1:34 AM

    Luckily for me, I (still -- though for how much longer, I don't know) have a full-time job. But I also have a disability: I've been "hard of hearing" for most of my life, with hearing aids. Without them, and they cost a fortune btw, I'm essentially deaf. The prospect of having to live on disability payments instead of on what I can earn when I'm working frankly scares me to death, because disability pays about 20% of what I earn and we're barely getting by as it is. No doubt Jonah thinks I'd be taking money out of his pocket if I had to keep alive on his idea of charity -- but what have I been paying into Social Security all my life for, if not to avoid starvation if I can't work any more? God, I hate these "people."

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  8. One of the defining traits of conservatives is that they are obsessed with the idea that someone has gotten some small thing that the person doesn't "deserve." Thus the enraged attacks on poor people who have the temerity to have a cell phone, or use food stamps to buy a birthday cake, or have the smallest shred of dignity. It's also ironic, given how privileged many of the most vicious are, but that's the great long con of movement conservatism: use bigotry to sell plutocracy. The Southern Strategy and Reaganomics/supply-side economics/Randian neo-feudalism have been the central planks of movement conservatism for 30 (arguably 50) years now. Joe Bageant wrote one of the better accounts of lower class whites voting against their own interests in Deer Hunting with Jesus Yet conservatives/libertarians (but I repeat myself) like Will Wilkinson will denounce such talk as Marx's theory of "false consciousness" while moving on to praise Paul Ryan's budget and argue that the rich in America pay too much.

    I know some "reasonable" conservatives in real life, who may have bad political ideas but are at least decent human beings in person. In terms of the conservatives covered here and elsewhere on the interwebs, most are some mix of stupid, evil and crazy. People like Goldberg and his buddies believe things that are not true (either sincerely or opportunistically) and take pride in being dicks. Unfortunately, many American conservatives are, well, delusional assholes.

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  9. montag22:15 AM

    There was a time during the Bush II tenure that Congress decided the most important thing it could do was to order the IRS to devote its enforcement efforts to taxpayers receiving the EITC. Not only was this a political intrusion into the operation of a supposedly independent agency, it was a highly inefficient means of spending its enforcement budget--there were very few tax cheats getting the EITC, so the recovery was exceptionally low for the effort.


    Yes, this is just Republicans being Republicans, but, it also didn't leave any money or time to pursue the very wealthiest corporate and individual tax cheats, where the leverage of enforcement money is usually enormous.


    At precisely the same time as this EITC "enforcement" effort was underway, corporate America was looting the Treasury via Iraq and Afghanistan.



    At precisely the same time that Reagan was berating the welfare system with apocryphal stories, the government-guaranteed savings and loan system was being systematically hollowed out by its own fuckin' owners. (Which is why Bill Black titled his book on the subject, "The Best Way To Rob a Bank Is To Own One.")


    Every time shills like Doughy and his fellow carnival barkers get the cue to start yelling, "lookee over here," I go looking for the place where there are no sirens and flashing lights and fucking assholes yelling, because that's where the real crime is taking place.

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  10. DocAmazing2:16 AM

    Among the many services my clinic provides to our population of Medicaid juvenile looters and moochers (we call them "patients") is treating children with various disabilities--they are, unsurprisingly, overrepresented among the poor. Ever tried to get a kid benefits or services that they are legally qualified for? It takes hours, re-submitting applications that have been unjustly and incorrectly rejected. It takes a toll on the kids' parents--as though the kid's medical or cognitive or developmental problems weren't enough to deal with, the various payor agencies have to make the process hellish?--and the people who deliver care. That's not even taking into account the abuse and skimming that private insurers bring to the picture.


    The part that leaves me stunned is the number of people who listened uncritically to Sarah Palin go on about knowing what it is to have a special-needs child--while she advocated all the while for this sort of "we'll give you the benefits once you've given us a signed note from God" approach.

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  12. AngryWarthogBreath5:16 AM

    I am invisibly disabled!

    I have serious depression and anxiety, preventing me from entering the workforce and making me a danger to myself were I not so well and lovingly supported by my family!

    Even in Australia, with a much more secure social safety net than the US, the amount of fucking hoops I have to jump through - which are difficult to jump through because I have serious depression and anxiety - to prove myself Worthy of public assistance are tiring to the point of despair!

    Jonah Goldberg can go fuck himself!

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  13. MyPetGloat5:47 AM

    Jonah Goldberg's disability is caused by a toxic blend of sociopathy, parasitism, laziness, stupidity and bluster. Perhaps if he took the blinders off he'd understand that the government subsidizes Corporate America Inc, not people with disabilities. The six owners of Walmart have a net worth equal to the bottom third of Americans, yet they can't see fit to pay their workforce a living wage. The government distributes food stamps to the working poor while companies like Walmart rake in more money than they can spend in 100 lifetimes.

    America's 'welfare bums' are corporations. If Jonah had two brain cells to scrub together he'd go after them.

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  14. smut clyde6:15 AM

    In fact, I’m flummoxed as to why people with real disabilities wouldn’t be the ones clamoring the loudest to stamp out fraud.

    I'm flummoxed as to why people who really want to vote wouldn't be the ones clamoring the loudest to impose voter ID checks.

    I'm flummoxed as to why people who are really innocent wouldn't be the ones clamoring the loudest to be stopped and frisked in the street.


    You can see where he's going... people who aren't clamoring the loudest are obviously fraudulent themselves.

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  15. fraser7:34 AM

    As Slacktivist put it, these are people who lie awake at night, wracked with horror that there's a family on WIC who might be getting the good cheese.

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  16. Derelict7:40 AM

    Well, since Jonah the Fail has now given us a say in where our dollars go,I'll vote the price of one B-1 Stealth Bomber to bolster pre-school programs, the price of one President-class aircraft carrier to raise disability payments and expand the program.


    And then everyone gets a pony!

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  17. Derelict7:42 AM

    These are the same clown who spend so much time screeching about America being a Christian nation. Obviously they must skip the part in the New Testament about helping the poor and uplifting the weak and downtrodden.

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  18. Scott Slemmons7:50 AM

    Are we actually nicer to each other when times are rough? It always seems to be the opposite. I'd be glad to see some evidence that the country's increasing sociopathy is an illusion of reading the comments on newspaper articles, but, well, there sure do seem to be a lot of people out there who just hate everyone else for breathing their air...

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  20. Rights only exist for those who can buy them.


    Those who can't are lucky to get handouts from those that can.


    Simple Calvinistic American values--life is suffering; the way to Salvation is a narrow 'breadcrumb trail' of dollar bills that Gawd left to guide the faithful. If you haven't been stuffing your pockets with lucre, then you must not be godly.

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  21. Derelict7:55 AM

    In their faith, there's no hope for charity.

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  22. AngryWarthogBreath8:01 AM

    “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, that time you stopped those lazy welfare cheats from pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, it got me food. Because the people running the welfare organisation would rather give the deserving more money than, you know, say 'we've saved thousands of dollars by bullying people out of making claims, this can be presented as cuts to make us look good, tax cuts and untested fighter-bombers for all.''



    "And the righteous will say, fuck yeah, and go piss on the homeless."

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  23. mortimer8:03 AM

    A painful reminder that the world should sink so low: famous Mamet-approved author Jonah Goldberg received a million dollar advance for The Tyranny of Clichés: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas. And surprise! Here he is, geeking one of the biggest right-wing cliches of all -- "them welfare bums is cheating us productive job creators." The soulless, diarrheic blowhard really earns his Imm-odium, doesn't he?

    And I want to lovingly endorse this sentiment with all my heart:
    God, I hate these "people."

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  24. BigHank538:07 AM

    Look up some of the evangelical commentary on Ephesians 2:8. It's depressing, but quite illuminating.

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  25. Emily688:28 AM

    If it's so easy to get disability payments, how come I see all those ads for lawyers saying "Denied your Social Security disability payments? Just come and see me. I'll fix it all up."

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  26. Guestington P. Gorcestershire8:43 AM

    And for every poor person who gets a refrigerator, some other poor person gets a refrigerator box to sleep in. It's a win-win!

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  27. redoubt8:58 AM

    To paraphrase Balzac: Behind every great crime there is a Jonah Goldberg shouting, "Don't look at me! Look at those cheats over there!"

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  28. Fats Durston9:04 AM

    You know who else demonized disabled moochers?! Well known historical liberal,of course.

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  29. redoubt9:12 AM

    Also, camels, eyes, and needles (Matthew 19:24). Signed, recovering evangelical.

    PS: Will they, like History's Greatest Monster, put their money where their mouth is?

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  31. aimai9:29 AM

    Something else I noticed in this disability discussion--especially the piece on NPR and the subsquent defenses of that discussion--is the implicit assumption that disability ought, somehow, to be temporary and that if you can't get people off the disability rolls that is somehow a sign that disability is really a form of laziness. In fact the NPR woman almost explicitly argued that the rise in people seeking disability and the fact that they tend to try to stay on it is proof that it can't be all that serious a condition or that the support is being misapplied.


    Of course the fact that disability applications are on the rise ought to make you think
    1) an aging population is, in fact, a disabled population w/r/t work that was previously possible with a younger body.
    2) the destruction of OSHA and the brutality inherent in the corporate system uses people's bodies up fast and leaves more workers disabled than necessary through repetitive stress style injuries.
    3) a laborer who is physically disabled can't transition easily into a sedentary, upper class job. Krauthammer can keep spitting shit while rolling in his wheelchair but a miner, a mover, a housecleaner really can't.


    As for Jonah's point--that each "official, realio, 'good' disabled person" should designate him or herself a gimp corps of halt-dumb-and blind Dick Tracys ferreting out fraud and abuse for the sake of the taxpayers, well, privatize this suckers! Smacks of socialism, to me, to ask god fearing randians to do anything for anyone else's sake. I mean I get that Jonah offers you the implicit and highly desirable reward of imagining the suffering and pain of every person you turn in but is that really enough to make it worth anyone's libertarian bona fides to work as an unpaid policeman for big gubmint? I think what he meant to propose is that if only each whistleblowing wheelchair bound disabled person got a direct cut of the fraudsters they turned in the entrepreneurial spirit would float each disabled person back into the middle class while keeping the entire program pure.

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  32. I used to practice disability law. In my experience, the vast majority of initial SSDI claims are rejected by the initial claims processor. Then, on appeal, I would estimate that we won 90% of the cases.

    Claims regarding back pain (probably the most common disability) were almost always initially denied and then later accepted on appeal.

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  33. I would also add, that there is almost zero outright fraud in SSDI - it would be nearly impossible to pull off without the assistance of a doctor and a lawyer. However, what does soemtimes happen is that marginal injuries can be exxagerated into major disability. The standard "fraud" case would eb as follows:


    1. Manual laborer experiences minor back pain which hampers, but does nto utterly prevent their ability to work.


    2. is fired or laid off or cannot get a job


    3. files disbaility claim and is denied based on insufficient medical records



    4. obtains and attorney who compiles all the records and sends client to a occupational rehabilitation specialist


    5. the medical records show a bulging disc which is consistent with anything from severe to moderate pain and discomfort


    6. client, realizing that the claim depends on his inability to work, exaggerates the amount of pain


    7. the doctor reports that based on the records and report of the client, the client is disabled form working


    8. SSDI doctors review the reports and find nothing to dispute


    9. judge awards disability



    Now, there is some sense in which this person could theoretically work. However, they do have a real injury and there is simply no way to determine that they are exaggerating their pain.


    You simply cannot prevent this type of "fraud" without eliminating the whole system.

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  34. Halloween_Jack9:54 AM

    WRT the NPR piece: I'd like to link to the MetaFilter discussion of same and in particular this comment which says a lot of what I'd like to say anyway. In particular, Chana Joffe-Walt makes the same point as your #3:

    Over and over again, I'd listen to someone's story of how back pain meant they could no longer work, or how a shoulder injury had put them out of a job. Then I would ask: What about a job where you don't have to lift things, or a job where you don't have to use your shoulder, or a job where you can sit down? They would look at me as if I were asking, "How come you didn't consider becoming an astronaut?"

    This is in a rural county in Alabama where literally the only work available for people is to either work in a fish-processing plant or in McDonald's. She probably could have put it better, but I don't think that Joffe-Walt is suggesting that they should all get jobs as web developers or something.

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  35. Halloween_Jack9:56 AM

    Heh, I've used this same quote in this same blog, albeit lost in the mists of pre-Disqus time.

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  36. Mr Guest9:58 AM

    "it seems like the animating passion for a lot of 'fiscally responsible' conservatives (the ones who aren't getting rich from the con, that is) is a pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is getting something they don't deserve."

    This is exactly right, and is a huge part of what fueled their opposition to ObamaCare, for one thing.

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  37. Not quite on topic, but I'm thinking that some of my tax dollars should be spent, if not cutting up the B-2 bomber for scrap, at least fixing it so it can fly in the rain.

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  38. glennisw10:10 AM

    Soon Rob's making "roughly" the same money as he made on his last job,


    And why is that, one wonders? Because in "Rob";s community, the corporate barracudas have hollowed out the economy so that only shitty jobs are available. If you have to choose between a disability payment on the one hand, and on the other hand standing behind a fast food counter on your feet for eight hours, or lifting obese and bedridden patients onto the potty, I think even Doughy would choose the payment.



    Doughy has never worked a physical job in his life and has no idea what 30 years of working on your feet feels like. When working on your feet pays under the poverty line, then disability payments seems like the better bargain.

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  39. glennisw10:13 AM

    Yes, that part of the story struck me - the woman who envied the bureaucrat determining whether someone would get disability payments. Why? Because she wanted to be a judge of other people? No - because she wanted a job where she could sit down.

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  40. Already the comments are smokin', so I'll just leave this:



    Shorter Jonah's Waste Of Pixels:


    1. Fraud exists.


    2. ?????



    3. Haw, yew libruls don't CARE 'bout frawd!!!!

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  41. BigHank5310:15 AM

    And, given that this moocher is now soaking up the princely amount of $1100/month and investigating, prosecuting, convicting, and jailing the poor schlub would run into six figures, how much effort do we want to put into any but the most egregious fraud cases?

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  42. In the Atlantic piece, a commenter nails it with this graphic (from http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/):

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  43. That 'guest' was me. Disqus can eat a bag of salted dicks.

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  44. Against the advice of my therapist, doctor, and lawyer, I clicked on over to Jonah's piece and tiptoed through the sludge of the comments. They fall into a few select categories:


    1. I personally know someone (mooching neighbor or worthless liberal family member) who is scamming the system and think the world owes them a living.



    2. I know someone, or more likely, AM someone who, despite being a blind quadruple amputee with terminal cancer, found a job because I'm too proud to accept "welfare". Therefore everyone should!


    Actually, these "comments" are more like the reflex twitches you get when someone like Jonah pokes his readers through the cage bars with a sharp stick, but you get the idea...

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  45. Ellis_Weiner11:10 AM

    Call me irresponsible, but I almost look forward to the Brazilification of the US (i.e., on the model of Brazil of the 70s-90's), when the few rich live in gated fortresses, patrolled by Uzi-toting bodyguards and surrounded by a sea of poverty. I look forward, that is, to the moment Goldberg, due to sloth, drunkenness, overweight, or whatever, falls behind his companions and ends up solo on the street, and is set upon by the ravening hordes. Now we have the Internet! We can all watch!

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  46. Provider_UNE11:13 AM

    Those who can't are lucky to get handouts from those that can.


    Every fucking paycheck Jonah Goldberg has ever cashed (in his adult life; he may have mowed a lawn or shoveled snow off of a sidewalk, or taken out the trash for an allowance in his youth, though I doubt it) has been a handout.
    ...

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  47. I read some of the other post discussions and I didn't get the sense that Chana Joffe actually got that point. I recall her saying explicitly that she was shocked people didn't get off the rolls, as though disability were workman's comp and meant to take the place of a temporary loss of income. I give her the credit to say that she accurately reported what people said but in the NPR piece itself she skewed the reporting so severely that the bias resulted from what was left out and implied as much as by the actual text. For xample she gave the "vast" amounts that people were getting in terms of "lifetime" averages of 30,000 dollars--not a mind boggling sum by any means especially when you broke it down over a span of 20-30 years.

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  48. This just happened, essentially, in Florida where Rick Scott enforced drug testing for welfare recipients and at the cost of millions in drug test money to his corporations found only a few thousand--not even hundred of thousand--cases. And those cases, needless to say, were not fraudlent--it was like making alcohol consumption, or sugar consumption for that matter--suddenly illegal for people who buy car insurance, then spending millions of dollars testing people and then rejecting them from purchasing car insurance. The right wing argment is that any pleasure which costs money should be denied to poor people if they are on the public dole. They go for drugs because drugs are currently illegal and the implicit argument is that the money being fungible if you had the money to buy drugs you should be forced to spend it on food or rent. But you know they would do the same thing with sex, for example (and do) by insisting that it be too expensive for people to have safe sex or sex education.

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  52. whetstone11:29 AM

    I’m flummoxed as to why people with real disabilities wouldn’t be the ones clamoring the loudest to stamp out fraud. Maybe disability checks would be more generous if voters thought they were subsidizing fewer cheats?

    Because they're not as dumb as you, Jonah. Anyone on the economic margins is damn well aware that their yearly disability income wouldn't magically jump from $13,000 to $13,050 if we could just get rid of those deadbeats, because they've probably paid attention once in their lives.

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  53. Halloween_Jack11:55 AM

    I should note that I didn't listen to the TAL or All Things Considered broadcasts myself; I'm going off of this transcript, which may be different. (Also worth noting: if you scroll down to the end, you find that a few statements by Joffe-Walt have since been qualified; that might be considered a partial walkback.)

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  54. montag212:09 PM

    How many very wealthy people turn in other very wealthy people who are tax cheats?


    Umm, zero would be pretty close, I think. And rich people really know how the system works--and how to work the system.



    But, it's fun to project this thinking to other situations. How many wingnut welfare recipients would turn in another wingnut welfare recipient if he were blowing the money on coke? Or guns?



    How many other agribusinesses would turn in ADM if they knew ADM was fixing prices? (Well, we know the answer to that one--none--because the other businesses were colluding with ADM.)


    How many bankers would turn in other bankers for diddling the LIBOR for profit? (Oops, they're all in on it.)


    How many oil tycoons turned in the Koch brothers for stealing oil from Indian tribes? (Heh. That's a trick question. The oil tycoons pretended they didn't know, even though short-sticking has been around since man invented containers.)


    How many TV preachers turned in Jimmy Swaggart for spending his "prayer money" on hookers? (Another trick question--the cops caught him.)



    How many defense department private contractors turned in other private contractors for using multi-tiered subcontractors to inflate the profits in cost-plus contracts? (They all did it.)



    But, some schmo getting $1100/mo. is duty-bound to root fraud out of the system (out of enlightened self-interest, natch) because NPR mostly got the story wrong and the Doughy Pantload grabbed a chance to be politically opportunistic with both sweaty paws.

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  55. whetstone12:11 PM

    I have an easy solution to this: NR should hire one of these disabled workers to do what Jonah does. Then, finally, NR would get the well-compensated leech that doesn't do shit they've been dreaming of all along.

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  56. montag212:24 PM

    Funny, I recall something called Operation Ill Wind.

    And, more recently, a certain tanker deal, in which people went to jail.


    And just because no one prosecuted most of the contractors involved in DoD services procurement for Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean fraud wasn't rampant. We don't prosecute bankers, either.

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  57. LookWhosInTheFreezer12:28 PM

    "One of the defining traits of conservatives is that they are obsessed with the idea that someone has gotten some small thing that the person doesn't "deserve.""



    This! We human's seem to be hardwired to be always on the lookout for free-riders* but one political party seems to attract people who have this paranoia in un healthy levels, caters to them, and indeed has built it's entire political worldview around it. As others note here, you can see it in so many areas of conservatism (voter id laws, "illegals" getting free emergency room treatments, cadillac moms, unemployed stoners, etc., etc.) And while it's pathetic and disturbing, it's at least unsurprising. Without looters and parasites, Ayn Rand's novels would be even more unreadable (to those who actually read that crap.)


    *(at least if you take psych experiments in this area to be indicative of Universality of this tendency)

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  58. redoubt12:55 PM

    I’m flummoxed as to why more people's mothers don't illegaly record their friends' conversations
    Fixed

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  59. aimai1:14 PM

    Isn't this problem--the problem of getting people to turn on their own friends, class, or co-workers, basically what necessitates the RICO statute and plea bargaining?

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  60. aimai1:15 PM

    Maybe he's depressed because he's too lazy to manage keeping up with his pop cultural studies in quote-ology.

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  61. They're a more available target, for one. You can shoot dirty looks at the lady paying at WalMart with food stamps, but you'll probably never meet the guy who sent your job to China.

    Great observation.

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  62. KatWillow1:33 PM

    But ponies are expensive... one might as well feed them $20 dollar bills. And then there is pony-poop. I'd hate to follow my pony around with a pooper-scooper and a Hefty X-strong bag.

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  63. Goldberg was always older than his glib-fratty schtick would've led you to believe. Dude's in his 40s now; sometimes you just have to give up the ghost.

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  65. aimai1:59 PM

    This reminds me of a day when I was hanging out in Widener library just reading whatever was nearest me in the stacks. I had stumbled on the Nazi Concentration Camp Memoir section, of all places, and wound up reading two different accounts, in two different books, of what appeared to be the same night in the same camp--or at least the same style of event.


    For one prisoner this was a memory of utter degradation and horror--the night that all the prisoners, in the most shocking cold, were all formed into a square in the center of a barren area and forced to stand at attention while the weaker among them dropped like flies from cold and starvation and illness. But for another prisoner it was a memory of sublime humanity because, as it turns out, unbenownest to everyone, some of the prisoners were actually sacrificing their position at the center of the square (where they were warmed by the bodies of their fellow prisoners) and the edges of the square were being rotated through to the center so that lots of prisoners at the edges were given a chance to warm up at the center while others took their place at the vulnerable edge.


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  66. slavdude2:48 PM

    And not to forget, too, that the majority of people on disability in that county are low-skilled and poorly-educated, thus disqualifying them for most if not all office-type jobs, where they would be able to sit down for most of the day.

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  67. mgmonklewis2:50 PM

    "Jonah the Fail" — Does that make him the White Fail? Moby Dick encrusted with Cheeto dust?

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  68. aimai3:22 PM

    HJ I went and looked at the transcript and I only looked at the first page so maybe if I waited she'd do the big reveal but I feel there's a huge problem in even beginning the way she does--with the judge saying to the guy "hey, you say you are dsiabled when you have high blood pressure and diabetes? Well that can't be because I have high blood pressure and diabetes." (paraphrasing). I mean, fuck. High blood pressure produces kidney failure and stroke, diabetes can produce blindness and amputation. It all depends where you are on the spectrum, how much money you have, how much health care you have and whether your condition is heavily monitored and controlled or not. A judge with a sedentary job, who sets his own hours, who can work out, who has a wife and a cook to make his diabetic meals, and a doctor on call to monitor his blood sugar, is hihgly unlikely to become disabled from diabetes. A guy living in a trailor park with no health insurance and a hard job, maybe over the road trucking? You can bet that high blood pressure and diabetes can disable him.


    Maybe she thinks she's doing her reader a service by kind of gently leading them up to the OBVIOUS FUCKING FACT that very few disabilities are an on/off proposition like being a quadriplegiac. You are disabled more or less in terms of the lifestyle and work that your class and sex force on you, or make available to you.

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  69. smut clyde3:29 PM

    I would like to sit down with this comment and watch "Eat the Rich" together.

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  70. satch5:03 PM

    Or inspired the Jay Gould quote, after hiring thugs to break the Southwest Railroad strike of 1886: ""I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."

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  71. AGoodQuestion6:20 PM

    Jonah latched on like a barnacle and the rest is history.
    Which manages to be both tragedy and farce in one go.

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  72. AngryWarthogBreath6:55 PM

    I think aging is definitely a big part of it, but I don't think it's a direct "aging = hateful old crank". I think it's just that now he can't credibly make Young Peoples Watch My Cartoons jokes any more, he can't be Wacky Jester Jonah Goldberg, and now has to be Serious Intellectual Jonah Goldberg. And, you know. Serious conservative intellectuals are hateful old cranks. It's basically an "A = A" matter.

    I also believe that the National Review is composed of anti-jolly. It certainly tips my Santa - Scrooge thermostat heavily harrumphwards whenever I hear it exists.

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  73. Halloween_Jack7:26 PM

    Agreed, and that's why I linked to the comment (although I originally linked to the list of MeFites who favorited the comment--not sure how that happened), which also makes that point about the way the story is structured.

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  74. Will they, like History's Greatest Monster, put their money where their mouth is?

    Hahahaha...No.

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  75. I think I've mentioned this before, but we need an updated version of Godwin's Law. Something along the lines of, "As a comment thread about the modern American conservative movement grows, the probability of a comparison to the Nazis approaches one ... because of modern American conservativism's ever-more-blatantly fascist tendencies."

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  78. rickmassimo8:11 AM

    They also understand that there is no point whatsoever at which Jonah Goldberg and his "lazy little friends" will say "OK, we've cut enough; we've reached the point where everyone who is on disability fully deserves to be on disability, and we have no problem paying benefits to them."


    It will never happen. "Hey, that guy could probably work as a crossing guard or sell pencils or something, if only we removed his incentive to sit idle in - well, his wheelchair."


    Jonah Goldberg draws hefty paychecks for making people's lives miserable. He's not going to stop now. He'd have to get a job.

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  79. Sean Peters9:31 AM

    Oh, for God's sakes. No one ever said fraud was non-existent, just that it's uncommon. No doubt I could list a few anecdotes of people going to jail for non-defense fraud too, but that doesn't mean the entire business of government is corrupt.

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  80. Sean Peters9:35 AM

    Yeah, the GE parts thing is a prime example of waste. But you're right - it's not fraud (unless someone was, say, getting kickbacks for screwing up this contract). One of the big problems in this area, somewhat counter-intuitively, is that there has been so much emphasis placed on anti-fraud initiatives, that the gov't defense contracting workload has gone up enormously, but the amount of resources allocated to contracting shops has not gone up proportionally... so they're overloaded, and make mistakes.

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    I think you've hit it. (I realize my older comment might be read to mean that *everyone* becomes an asshole with age, which is neither true nor my intent.)

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