If we step back and take this all in, there should be no question that coercive persuasion can happen on a mass scale in America. Those pushing the [gay marriage] agenda first cultivate a climate that creates social punishment for dissent and social rewards for compliance. Label anyone who disagrees as a bigot or a “hater,” a non-person. Reward those who agree with public accolades. Before you know it, even well-known old conservative pundits who fear becoming irrelevant sign on to it, and thus contribute to the juggernaut.Soon we'll have Pat Buchanan in assless chaps! Well, Morabito is still writing, and still obsessed with guess what and conservative treason to the cause:
LGBT Activists Arm For Further War On Free SpeechApparently Morabito read a story about some folks who are campaigning for "a major federal nondiscrimination bill that protects people from prejudice based on sexuality and gender identity," and has decided this means homosexualists will ban Americans from saying things like "we don't serve your kind here, faggot." The whole thing's a joy -- Morabito's writing style remains fever-pitched and prone to metaphor metastasis ("There’s so much to unpack here, but if pressed to dissect this vat of worms...") -- but this is my favorite part:
The LGBT lobby has always known that it needs to get Republicans, conservatives, and evangelicals on board—through their leaders—because they still command a wide swath of America, and, worse, some people might not be intimidated enough to refrain from saying things not in line with the lobby’s agenda.
Hence, there are infiltration efforts like “Log Cabin Republicans,” whose sole purpose has been to promote the LGBT lobby while claiming to be conservative.The Log Cabin Republicans! Most of us think of them as charmingly ineffectual, but we're apparently just brainwashed by the liberal media, who cover for their true Mattachine machinations. I like to imagine them back at their founding in 1977, no doubt in some tastefully-appointed sex dungeon, rubbing their hands with glee and telling one another, "yessss, it's a long game, but the rewards will be sooooo-cialistically delicious!"
I wonder who's doing more to hurt the anti-gay-marriage campaign: the LCR, or stuff like this? Or maybe Steve Wiles is a double agent. This thing goes deeper than we imagined!
The only reason I'm glad I'm not gay is because I would want being gay to be exactly what Morabito says it is, and life is already disappointing.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason I'm glad I'm not gay is because I would want the gay life to be the villainous cabal Morabito says it is, and life is already disappointing
ReplyDelete(Recently, a rare book collector unearthed a copy of The Complete Essential Deprogrammer's Guide. Published at the height of the American fascination with cults, this seldom-used guide was known for its unusually broad definitions of extremist and cult activity. The owner has made scans of select pages available; a sample is included below)
ReplyDeleteBrainwashing Techniques: Social Disapproval
One of the most effective means of mass conversion is via mild disapproval in social situations. The procedure is terrifyingly simple:
1.) Gain general majority acceptance.
2.) Carry out routine personal conversations about the idea to be implanted.
3.) Bring the target(s) into the conversation. They may do this voluntarily.
4.) Once the target(s) disagrees, the cult will begin their brainwashing. There are hundreds of documented techniques, but the following are among the most common:
*Head-shaking
*Eye-rolling
*Knowing looks between cultists
*Saying "I think you're wrong."
*Introducing facts that support the cult's position
*Encouraging the target(s) to reflect on personal opinions
Over time, this technique - known to laymen as "persuasion" or "discussing opinions" - leads to the subtle feeling in the target(s) of being incorrect. This, in turn, may lead to shifts in opinion, often timed to new experiences or changes in life circumstance. Ultimately, over a span of 30-50 years - a mere eyeblink in terms of cosmic history - a population's views may shift. Most terrifyingly, young people are particularly vulnerable, and an entire generation can be led to believe that its elders are not infallible.
Here are some cults that employ these techniques:
*CBS
*Random House
*The United States Senate
*People with bullhorns
*The waitstaff at your local restaurant
Face it. They think gays are oppressing them by existing.
ReplyDeleteThis thing goes deeper than we imagined!
ReplyDelete"are you free mister humphries?"
ReplyDeletei am free!....TO SILENCE YOUR SPEECH
Since the Democrats, academia, Hollywood, and the media are already arms of the LGBT lobby, the basic thrust of the American Unity Fund’s “Freedom for All Americans” campaign/slogan/meme is to persuade those darned Republicans and pesky conservatives to set aside their principles and get with the program.
ReplyDeleteAcademia and Hollywood? Psh, everybody knows about them. Morabito neglects to mention the Episcopal Church, the 4H Club, and the sun. Why do you think it's always making those rainbows?
Q. What is the proper position of women in the Conservative Movement?
ReplyDeleteA. Prone - to metaphor metastasis.
"The LGBT lobby has always known that it needs to get Republicans, conservatives, and evangelicals on board"
ReplyDeleteHas it? Cause I kind of feel like the last couple years of accelerated progress on the gay rights thing has mostly been a case of "hey, we're gonna go ahead and do this, so you make the call for you on that whole wrong side of history thing."
So basic public praise and blame for overt behavior is now coercion? That explains a bit about conservative notions of consent.
ReplyDeleteRemember when gay rights was a wedge issue on their side? How do you like dem apples, fuckhead?
ReplyDelete"If we step back and take this all in, there should be no question that
ReplyDeletecoercive persuasion can happen on a mass scale in America. Those pushing
the [gay marriage] agenda first cultivate a climate that creates social
punishment for dissent and social rewards for compliance."
OMG! It's almost as if teh libruls think that whatever a majority of people think should be the thing that happens!
And -- gasp! -- that people should be nice to each other, and maybe people won't like you if you're not!
It's like they think everyone who lives in America is an American and counts equally! Stoopid libruls.
That, their fragile egos, and the fact that they have always relied on shame to shape society and long for the power to do so again. Morabito herself has written about how far we've fallen because people aren't too ashamed to research the role of fathers in families(instead of just accepting what she believes as a given), so the "oh no, lefties are shutting down free speech with SHAME," even if it WERE true, is only a complaint because of the unsaid "and that's OUR job!"
ReplyDeleteNever quite thought of it that way. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteYou're giving me flashbacks to that incident with the barrel of monkeys.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who's had to clean up after a "fish in a barrel" metaphor validation scenario, I sympathize.
ReplyDeleteOne of the few iron laws of human behavior is that the person who carries on the most about how god-awful something is, that's the one who wants it done to him or her in the worst possible way.
ReplyDeleteYou beat me to it.
ReplyDeleteMan-that is one hum-dinger of a sentence:
ReplyDeleteThe LGBT lobby has always known that it needs to get Republicans, conservatives, and evangelicals on board—through their leaders—because they still command a wide swath of America, and, worse, some people might not be intimidated enough to refrain from saying things not in line with the lobby’s agenda.
As one worm-can closes, another opens.
ReplyDeleteSee also, the mysterious case of Br'er Rabbit and the briar patch.
ReplyDeleteI'm always astonished at the number of prominent anti-gay campaigners
ReplyDeletewho have said, in one way or another, that the only thing keeping them
from being openly gay was the social disapproval.
If you would be so kind as to provide an example or two, I would appreciate it. I think I know what you mean, but I would like some confirmation. I know someone who may have said this, but I just didn't follow along at the time. Your statement has created an "Aha" moment for me...
I guess it depends on what you mean by "worst possible way."
ReplyDeleteI just figure that bisexuality to some degree is a lot more common than people think. So for some people, to some extent, they do have a choice. And for a fundamentalist, their awareness of that choice is terrifying.
ReplyDeleteHere's some in convenient listicle form:
ReplyDeleteAnti-gay Activists Caught Being Gay
Well. Liberals notably don't think that majority rules. But you know who does? Conservatives. And they have argued for shame, and even physical and mental abuse,to bring about compliance with "moral majority" standards. So the weird thing about their complaint is that it flies in the face of everything they've always advocated.
ReplyDeleteHogan, over at LGM, posted a fantasic quote from Pictures in an Institution by Randall Jarrell. I can't find itbut this is nearly as good:
He said to the World, I believe—Lord, help thou mine unbelief; but the World knew that it did not need to help, that he could not disbelieve in one button of it if he tried. He was a labyrinth in which no one could manage to remain for even a minute, because there were in it no wrong turnings. He fitted into things, things fitted into him. If, a soldier in the army, he had been given what is called a Good Conduct medal, he would have felt that he had received it for his own good conduct, and he would have felt, without wanting to, that his medal made him a little superior to the friend beside him who had received none. He believed.
Very well said.
ReplyDeleteWhen a worm can opens do we fall into an event horizon?
ReplyDeleteI also think coercive male hierarchies like the kinds you find in prisons, frats, front line trench soldiers, the Nazi Party, the Republican party, bike gangs and fundie brotherhoods erode the boundaries between fraternalism and sex as part of the whole death-bond deal. Talk about recruiting.
ReplyDeleteYou know what else hurts the anti-LGBT people?
ReplyDeleteWhen one of their poster-boys is a kiddie-fiddler. (Side point - has anyone seen if the brethren have tested an angle on Josh Duggar?)
Just because your fraternity demands you make and decorate a wood paddle with which your fraternity brothers will then hit your naked ass while drinking alcohol to excess and remarking about your anus and genitals doesn't mean they're, uh, you know, uh, anything other than straight, man!
ReplyDeleteLotsa guys like to watch their brothers fuck.
ReplyDeleteDunno whether to upvote or downvote on this!
ReplyDeleteSoon we'll have Pat Buchanan in assless chaps!If Pat Buchanan's wearing them, they're not assless.
ReplyDeleteThe SUN?
ReplyDeleteNormally, I don't care who sleeps with who because it's none of my business. I'd have to make an exception for the sun, though. Our sun luring some strange star into the system to collide with...
That can't be good for anybody.
Two-wetsuits-and-a-dildo worse...
ReplyDeleteGood point.
ReplyDeleteHence, there are infiltration efforts like “Log Cabin Republicans,”
ReplyDeletewhose sole purpose has been to promote the LGBT lobby while claiming to
be conservative.They've also seem to have promoted upper-class tax cuts and reduced government spending while claiming to be conservative, Stella. Maybe you guys should drop those from the platform, just in case.
"yessss, it's a long game, but the rewards will be sooooo-cialistically delicious!"
ReplyDeleteIf sooooo-cialis causes your campaign to last for four decades, contact your elected representative.
Yup, the authoritarian conservatives are deathly affraid that even one tenth of the misery they so routinely dispensed to "others" will now be turned on them. What they continue to not understand is that most of those "others" are not, in fact, mirror images of conservatives and do not, in fact, plan on treating them badly at all. Most people just want to live their lives in peace and have no desire for domination of others.
ReplyDeleteI could have been worse, ever try to bait a hook with a monkey?
ReplyDeleteThis relates, I think, to their ideas on consent. Just as they don't care about the principles involved when you coerce or threaten others into complying with your religious or cultural beliefs they don't care about coercion in sexual matters. What matters to them is who is doing what to whom, not the relationship between the two people. When powerful people do things to less powerful people that's ok, almost regardless of what is being done. Its the status of the person that matters, not the act. And you can't reverse the equation and say "oh, then its fine if a lower status person does the same thing to an upper status person?" Because that doesn't compute.
ReplyDeleteI guess what I am trying to say is that, w/r/t sexual acts its the status of the person in control of the sex act that matters. Not the sex act or the status of the agreement between two or more people.
Label anyone who disagrees as a bigot or a “hater,” a non-person.
ReplyDeleteWe don't think you're non-people, we just think you suck. We're all too aware that you can, say, vote.
There are always a couple, but this line of Roy's left me with coffee-nostril syndrome.
ReplyDeleteThere's a Darwinian component to this- when their brothers fuck, it means that their own genetic legacy is being passed on to some extent.
ReplyDeleteHere's my angle. It's always served me well.
ReplyDelete"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of
the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward."
Once someone begins profiting handsomely from their loud, self-aggrandizing morality, always bet the over on "is this a shitty person?" You won't necessarily always win, but you'll beat the house.
I guess what I am trying to say is that, w/r/t sexual acts its the status of the person in control of the sex act that matters.
ReplyDeleteIt's been years since I've seen the term-of-art "pushy bottom".
Yeah, and football locker room talk. Some of it is about women, sure, but only some...
ReplyDeleteSexuality doesn't fall into strict convenient categories. Even people who are largely attracted to the opposite sex could still have the potential to see someone of their own sex as attractive - and this can send people into a panic. I don't think all of them are secretly deep in the closet (though some are, for sure) but even a passing attraction or a feeling of sexual curiosity can greatly upset an immature mind.
And this also ties into the toxic culture of misogyny and not being seen as a woman, because of course gay guys are automatically coded as feminine… So there's a masculinity panic too.
I can only imagine all the paperwork one must fill out (thanks Obama) to send a vat of worms through the mail. Though I'm guessing Morabito's sender would use FedEx or some other Privatized shipper to avoid the Communist USPS.
ReplyDeleteSoon we'll have Pat Buchanan in assless chaps
ReplyDeleteThe stuff of nightmares - it's far too early in the morning to have that mindworm boring away at my consciousness Roy.
"Hey, I read someplace that Lincoln was gay".
ReplyDeleteHmm, now O'Reilly is really going to kill him.
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ReplyDeleteThat wasn't gay, it was totally hetero little sister fiddling.
ReplyDeleteTalk about a hot relationship! And mutual attraction! Why, the coronal discharges would probably reach halfway to Uranus!
ReplyDeleteKeep Santorum away from the box turtles.
ReplyDeleteThe early worm gets eaten by the bird.
ReplyDeleteThis explains why the nice Postal employee at the desk always askes, "Anything fragile, liquid, perishable, or downright disgusting?"
ReplyDeleteCan we leave basketball out of this?
ReplyDeleteThe Sarah Palin Theory of First Amendment Jurisprudence.
ReplyDeleteIsn't Pushy Bottom somewhere in southeast Tennessee?
ReplyDeleteSee also, "Leave Cliven Bundy ALOONE!" and "Why can't the blahs just obey police authority and stop complaining?"
ReplyDeleteYou fuckers. I'm taping over all the webcams right now.
ReplyDeleteNo hetero man would spend that much of their time obsessing over but sex.
ReplyDeleteRod Dreher to the courtesy phone! Rod Dreher to the White-man's courtesy phone, please!
ReplyDeleteEven my gay friends who are involuntarily single and desperate don't spend that kind of time obsessing over sex, butt or otherwise.
They think gays are oppressing them by existing.
ReplyDeleteI actually think this is more likely than the suppressed-gay hypothesis of Derelict's. (Not that there aren't plenty of self-repressed gay folks out there, of course.) One of the primary motivations of authoritarians is conformity. They want everyone else to be just the same as they are, to make exactly the same safe choices, to not raise a single question about the course of their safe, boring, conservative, suburban lives.
Because if they had to make a decision for themselves, take responsibility for it, and live with the consequences, their heads would explode--or maybe G_d would send them to hell for making the wrong choice. So: if they don't get any choices, nobody gets any choices.
The waitstaff at your local restaurant
ReplyDeleteMinimum-wage cashier: "Happy Holidays!"
Wingnut: "Fucking commie!"
A couple years ago in one of these threads I observed that conservatives don't know if a sex act occurred unless one of the parties is huddled and weeping in a corner afterwards. It was snark, but with some of these people I'm not so sure--they seem to get really stressed out by the idea of non-procreative sex...despite the fact that most sex acts, even those performed by fertile hetero couples trying to produce children, are non-procreative.
ReplyDeleteAll comes back to them being pants-shittingly terrified of falling short in G_d's accounting of all those OT rules, I guess.
I thought it was near Foggy Bottom in DC, and east, west, south and north somewhat
ReplyDeleteThey've gotten to you too?
ReplyDelete"a climate that
ReplyDeletecreates social punishment for dissent and social rewards for compliance."
Stella has apparently never reflected that this is exactly why there needed to be a gay/civil/women's rights movement in the first place.
Hee hee... a right-winger "reflecting" on something. Sometimes I slay myself.
Family values, of course.
ReplyDeleteThis made me laugh out loud! Thanks!
ReplyDelete"We'll have more on the War on Christmas here on Fox News. But first, this special happy holidays message going out to our troops . . ."
ReplyDeleteNo, that's another line. Down the hall.
ReplyDeleteTPM has a very good piece up today, for once, by a guy named Aurin Squire on "White Fragility." This is also what Fred Clark calls the frightened (?) Hegemon. Frightened isn't hte word he uses but I can't remember it right now. I see it also in the fear of a gay planet. There are people out there,a lot of them, who didn't have anything against gays for decades who are now convinced that gays are some kind of storm troopers from hell, aiming to sodomize everyone's kittens and puppies before killing and roasting the owners. Its pure projection. The more often you are told that you need to hate someone the more sure you are that they hate you. And if they hate you as much as you hate them they probably want to kill you.
ReplyDelete"This is also what Fred Clark calls the frightened (?) Hegemon."
ReplyDeleteThe term he uses is Persecuted Hegemon.
"If you would be so kind as to provide an example or two, I would appreciate it."
ReplyDeleteA lot of it is implicit. Like people who say that "being gay" is totally a choice (implying that they chose not to be gay, and could easily have chosen otherwise if social pressures were different) and people who think that allowing gay people the same rights as everyone else will damage our species ability to produce future generations (implying that the only reason they think most people are in heterosexual relationships is a lack of socially approved alternatives).
Assholes are a kind of person. Just not a very nice one.
ReplyDeleteWhat matters to them is who is doing what to whom, not the relationship
ReplyDeletebetween the two people. When powerful people do things to less powerful
people that's ok, almost regardless of what is being done. Its the
status of the person that matters, not the act. And you can't reverse
the equation and say "oh, then its fine if a lower status person does
the same thing to an upper status person?" Because that doesn't compute.
cf. conservatives describing black racism towards whites as "reverse racism" i.e. an reversal of the natural order of things, instead of just calling it "racism".
It's not the gay they're afraid of, it's the activities they've so long cherished as part of straight culture that are fundamentally homosexual finally being recognized for what they are.
ReplyDeleteI was on a wrestling team in junior high. It's a little thing, but enough to let you know we've never let go of Rome.
In precisely the same way that you can always detect that soupçon of professional jealousy when they start frothing about sharia law.
ReplyDeleteIm sure its big enough.
ReplyDeleteThank you! Brain gone splooey.
ReplyDeleteIt was adequate until it was overtaken by my gut.
ReplyDeleteBeing old is okay except for the body going to hell. That and the constant aches and pains.
This is of a piece with their ideas on abortion--in their world the evil slutty mother dies instead.
ReplyDelete"Those pushing the [gay marriage] agenda first cultivate a climate that creates social punishment for dissent and social rewards for compliance."
ReplyDeleteAs opposed to, say, "those pushing the Quiverfull agenda", who create that same climate and then use it to cover up the crimes of their favorite crotch-droppings.
there but sex the grace of god go i
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