Wednesday, November 12, 2014

WHO'LL STOP THE DERP?

I expect everyone had a great time at yesterday's Concert for Valor in D.C. -- except Ethan Epstein of the Weekly Standard, who must have feverishly thumb-typed this right from the Mall:
Who would have thought that that Bruce Springsteen, Dave Grohl, and Zac Brown, accomplished musicians all, would be so, well, tone-deaf? But how else to explain their choice of song—Creedence Clearwater's famously anti-war anthem “Fortunate Son”—at the ostensibly pro-military “Concert for Valor” this evening on the National Mall? 
The song, not to put too fine a point on it, is an anti-war screed, taking shots at "the red white and blue." It was a particularly terrible choice given that Fortunate Son is, moreover, an anti-draft song, and this concert was largely organized to honor those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. 
Think how traumatized those vets must feel every time they hear this hateful song played in an oldies bar or at a ballgame or in a jeans commercial!
On a musical level, “Fortunate Song” is not a bad song—that's one hell of a riff.
I mean, it's okay if what you want is a cool, extremely popular MOR rock song at a big public concert, but why would you want that?
But the “Concert for Valor,” a Veterans Day event sponsored by HBO and Starbucks, in front of the Capitol Building, was not the place for it.
Epstein forgot to mention the big finale, where the rockstars spit on the vets from the stage and called them war pigs.  (I haven't heard any actual veterans complain, but maybe they can provoke Allan West into providing some mouth-foam later.)

There's some harrumph-harrumph Let's Examine The Controversy stuff at the Washington Post and elsewhere, but fuck it: Some ideas, if we're so generous as to call them that, are just too stupid for anything but cold buckets of derision.

UPDATE. Kudos to this guy ("a grassroots activist who distinguished himself as one of the top conservative bloggers in Florida") for crafting the perfect lede for this story:
Perhaps we should expect no less during the Obama administration...
Don't fault him for failing to work in #Benghazi, he was on deadline.

UPDATE 2. Ann Althouse gets in on it, and actually sounds sane for a while, but inevitably --
I couldn't watch the clip at the first link. I can't stand Bruce Springsteen, and much as I dislike the Weekly Standard's bellyaching, it's not as bad as listening to Bruce straining histrionically. I have to concede that it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they are not rich or well-connected. If that's the message, then it really is a rotten thing to say to our American volunteers.
That's a lovely example of even-handedness as practiced in our current political discourse: Sure, what actually happened was clear, but on the other hand here's an unsupported fantasy about what Springsteen might be thinking, so you see both sides etc.

UPDATE 3. Here, enjoy the nightmare of Breitbart factotum John Nolte arguing about the lyrics to "Fortunate Son." (Sample: "Read lyrics from 'star spangled eyes' to 'military son, son' and understand the context of troop-bashing era, obvious imo.") Everybody retuck your shirts! Coming up next: Is "Louie, Louie" Dirty, and Whether The Flintstones is Indeed a Rip-Off of The Honeymooners.

UPDATE 4. I think this is my favorite: The Washington Times calling "Fortunate Son" "Creedence Clearwater’s Revival’s draft-dodging anthem." No, wait, my favorite is NewsBusters referring to Eminem swearing onstage (I know!) as "liberal celebrities embarrassed families in the audience and those watching at home with heavy-handed profanity." No, wait, I -- oh, hell, they're all winners.

451 comments:

  1. Must be tough, trying to come up with new things to complain about day after day. Once in a while, rock stars singing "Fortunate Son" to Vets is the best you can come up with.

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  2. coozledad9:05 AM

    Fortunate Son is a splendid choice for vets of Iraq and Afghanistan, considering the sack of shit that sent them there.


    That's probably what really chafes their cods.

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  3. sharculese9:38 AM

    Some people go out of their way to sound cool. Ann Althouse goes out of her way to sound uncool.

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  4. Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps9:43 AM

    I have to concede that it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow
    conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's
    their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they
    are not rich or well-connected. If that's the message, then it really
    is a rotten thing to say to our American volunteers.


    It's a rotten thing to say because... it's actually politer to lie to ourselves and pretend soldiers are perfect, selfless patriots who'd gladly work for free if we'd let them? Talking about the economic realities that underlie our all-volunteer army is declasse and crude, like revealing a woman's age?


    What enlisted vet doesn't acknowledge that? Who'd be offended by it?

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  5. Disboose9:46 AM

    Althouse reminds of me Chris Rock's words of wisdom on gun control: "White man makes guns? No problem. Black rapper says 'guns'? Congressional hearing."

    Needless to say, if a black rapper had been singing along with Bruce and Grohl, the hearing would be booting up this morning.

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  6. synykyl9:47 AM

    Wait till they see what's playing at the Film Festival for Valor.

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  7. randomworker9:48 AM

    Oh god I was just asking this very question!

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  8. Disboose9:48 AM

    Weird how our desire to avoid subjects that are declasse and crude hasn't really helped the suicide rate in returning vets.

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  9. J Neo Marvin9:49 AM

    Fortunate Son is a song about chickenhawks and phony patriots who cheat on their taxes. I'm sure it's too close to home for a non-veteran who wants to speak for veterans.

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  10. Disboose9:57 AM

    "And why are they cheering?" - An NRO writer, lecturing the troops on their enjoyment of the song: https://twitter.com/ColetteMoran/status/532380626746609664

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  11. sharculese9:58 AM

    I suspect that there's a healthy contingent of Iraq vets who wouldn't acknowledge it, just because the fact that they were used and chewed in a senseless, violent adventure by people much more powerful than they is not a thing peole like to admit about themselves.


    It doesn't make it any less true, but people are complicated.

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  12. I ain't no fortunate son, yeah!

    Dan Quayle
    George W. Bush
    Richard Cheney
    Rush Limbaugh
    Jonah Goldberg
    Greg Feith
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Ronald Reagan


    True patriots willing to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood.

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  13. "Get a brain, Moran!"

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  14. The egg did not fall far from the tree:

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2012/05/12/son-of-dumbest-fucking-guy-on-the-planet-shills-for-more-war-in-afghanistan-and-elsewhere/

    Which brings us to the chickenhawk’s chickenshit progeny. That would be David Feith, the “assistant editorial features editor” at the Wall Street Journal. Feith the younger took today to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to shill for once and future hawkish US warmaking and the proposition that “victory” can be had in Afghanistan if we just keep on killing and dying.
    -----
    ~

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  15. Well, you know, we'll do ANYTHING to honor the vets. We'll throw parades, use them in advertisements, shake their hands at the airport. Anything at all.

    Except actually fund the programs they need that we promised them. Or actually take any of their claims seriously about Agent Orange, spent uranium poisoning, tungsten-nickel poisoning, etc.

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  16. Perhaps Epstein's just pissed that John McCain (J-Mac) didn't come out and perform Bomb Iran. Or that Karl Rove (MC Rove) had to cancel a planned reprise of the smash rap hit he performed at the RTCA dinner because of an anal fissure.


    Some music fans are just plain hardcore, yo.

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  17. Speaking of which, Operation Iraqi Freedom vet and Senator-elect Tom "Iraq was a Just and Noble War" Cotton says hello. He's kinda busy, though, because he's already working on legislation to smash the ISIS / Mexican cartel Connection forever.

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  18. OF COURSE the answer is to stay there. Forever, if necessary. Ten years of blood, sweat, and tears just ain't enough. Especially since it's mostly the poors doing the bleeding, sweating, and crying.

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  19. Well, Rove could have gotten Dancin' Dave Gregory to substitute. I understand Dancin' Dave has a bit of spare time on his hands these days.

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  20. Mr. Wonderful10:09 AM

    Going out of her way to sound uncool IS her Way.

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  21. Mr. Wonderful10:12 AM

    Okay, so, for the record, here are the lyrics:

    Some folks are born made to wave the flag
    Ooh, they're red, white and blue
    And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
    Oh, they point the cannon at you, Lord


    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no Senator's son
    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no fortunate one, no

    Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
    Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
    But when the tax men come to the door
    Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes

    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no fortunate one, no

    Yeah, some folks inherit star spangled eyes
    Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
    And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
    Oh, they only answer, more, more, more, oh

    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no military son
    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no fortunate one

    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no fortunate one, no, no, no
    It ain't me, it ain't me
    I ain't no fortunate son, no, no

    The intellectual dishonesty (or, alternatively, brute stupidity) of the wingnuts condemning the song is a breathtaking thing. And the sheer obtuseness of those not understanding why the crowd cheered--well, isn't that special?

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  22. dmsilev10:13 AM

    This is the same group of people who worship Ronald Reagan, the man who somehow managed to interpret "Born in the USA" as a rah-rah-America-uber-alles song. We should be surprised?

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  23. witlesschum10:14 AM

    Hmm, I would have said there's almost nothing I'd believe Tom Cotton was able to accomplish, but, by god, there, that's a thing he can do.

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  24. Halloween_Jack10:17 AM

    These are the same shitbirds who supported the swiftboating of John Kerry and the slandering of Max Cleland; of course they could care less about the opinion of any veteran who isn't running for Congress as a Republican. Also, here's the bit of Althouse's that's telling:

    What it's against is a particular political dysfunction that has been corrected. So it's a complaint that doesn't hold up anymore. You don't have to be a "fortunate son" to avoid the military. You can do what you want. Every single person who serves chose to serve.



    Because nobody joins up because there aren't any jobs or money for school.

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  25. witlesschum10:21 AM

    Sorry vets, we used to thank you for your service, but then you cheered at a politically unapproved time. The NRO is going to turn this Veterans Day around if you don't knock it off!

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  26. Yup. "Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock."

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  27. But the “Concert for Valor,” a Veterans Day event sponsored by HBO and Starbucks, and while ostensibly for people who served in the military it also served as a chickenhawk circle jerk for weekly standard geeks and nro hashtag activists in front of the Capitol Building, was not the place for it.



    fixed.

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  28. witlesschum10:28 AM

    That's also not the totality of the lyrics.

    "Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,

    Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,

    And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"

    Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,"


    It's a very good thing Althouse doesn't have a job where she has to read things, understand them, base conclusions on that understanding and relate it to other people.

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  29. sharculese10:29 AM

    You wanna hear a song about how war is cruel and pointless on a day for remembering how war is cruel and pointless?Guess my car doesn't need this yellow ribbon magnet anymore!

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  30. gocart mozart10:37 AM

    It's an anti-chicken hawk anthem not an anti-veteran anthem although we shouldn't be surprised that they can't distinguish the two.

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  31. Their honor and respect for those who served is highly conditional. You agree with them 100% on whatever the issue of the moment is, or you're an ultra-extreme left-wing traitor bent on destroying the very foundations of America.

    And so it is that wounded and decorated combat veterans (Kerry, Cleland, Duckworth--shit, even Bob Fucking Dole) become identified as anti-American. (Dole got Swiftboated for supporting the UN treaty that would have expanded the already-existing Americans with Disabilities Act around the globe. It didn't matter that the treaty took existing US law and made OTHER countries try to copy it--as far as the rightwing loonies were concerned, it was just one more attempt to make the US knuckle under to one-world government. And Dole was thus an obvious mole for the one-world conspiracy.)

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  32. gocart mozart10:47 AM

    What, car magnets aren't enough for those greedy vets?

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  33. Long as I remember, the derp been fallin' down
    Clouds of stupid formin' confusion on the ground.
    Good men through the ages got punk'd by Lucciane's twerp.
    Then I wondered, still I wonder, Who'll stop the derp?

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  34. randomworker10:49 AM

    <3 <3 <3

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  35. Emily6810:50 AM

    Re Althouse: I have to concede that it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they are not rich or well-connected.
    I'm pretty sure that Jessica Lynch said she'd joined up hoping to earn some money for college.

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  36. gocart mozart10:50 AM

    Wrong chicken hawk, the anal cyst was Rush.

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  37. On a serious note, I just got done reading a tech report on tungsten-nickel poisoning due to limited-radius blast-effect bombs. Seems these things spray out tiny fragments of tungsten alloy. The fragments don't travel very far, but they persist in the environment. So, in addition to all the spent uranium we're spraying around, there's this stuff, too.
    The Romans salted the earth around Carthage. We're making sure that EVERYWHERE we fight becomes uninhabitable desert for thousands of years into the future.

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  38. witlesschum10:52 AM

    Well, if you remember that well-known bit of folk wisdom that holds "If you find yourself in a hole, dig faster and with more bombs!" it makes sense.

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  39. Kevin Hayden10:56 AM

    And why did the concert promoters use Springsteen? He was born in a foreign country (Asbury Park) that's ruled by a false idol (Chris Christie).

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  40. witlesschum10:56 AM

    I think Jessica Lynch was declared unperson by the right after the details of her service didn't precisely add up to the hysterical propaganda version that they breathlessly peddled at the time. Thus, her opinions are invalid, especially when compared to that of a wingnut law professor from Wisconsin.

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  41. Giant Monster Gamera11:09 AM

    I have no idea what to say anymore. It's like they are on permanent offensive.

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  42. Giant Monster Gamera11:15 AM

    The only acceptable music would have been Ted Nugent taking the stage to perform The Ballad of the Green Beret.

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  43. BigHank5311:16 AM

    As long as you realize that "victory" translates to "endless no-bid contracts to supply third-rate diesel to US troops at $90/gallon", I think you'll find that Mr. Feith has an argument.

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  44. BigHank5311:19 AM

    Those moldy hospital rooms are there to inspire you to get back on your feet more quickly, soldier. If you still had any feet, anyway. Quit malingering.

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  45. FlipYrWhig11:23 AM

    solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant #NotAllTacituses

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  46. In addition to his misinterpretation of the song, Veterans' Day is not about the fucking military, it is about people who served in the military. (Neither is it about people who served in a particular war, which makes his whining about drafted vs. recruited soldiers xtrafunnee.)

    But these are the same hacks who split their time between slobbering over corporations and spitting on employees, so I'm not surprised this dumbfuck thinks people gathered on the Mall to shout hip-hip-hooray to the U.S. military-industrial complex.

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  47. How dare soldiers cheer for a song I think they shouldn't cheer? Oh well, better label them traitors too.

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  48. LookWhosInTheFreezer11:33 AM

    They were supposed to play this song:

    "Well, Don't go around tonight,
    Cuz it's bound to take your life,
    Oh, BENGHAZI!!, BENGHAZI!!, BENGHAZI!!"

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  49. John Wesley Hardin11:34 AM

    Who says Fortunate Son is about the draft? Althouse, unsurprisingly, is full of shit when she says it is against "a particular political dysfunction that has been corrected." I have one word for that: Bull Shit.


    Conservative apparatchiks would have you believe the song is only about the Vietnam war, when the word "war" only appears once. The lyrics never even mention the draft, but only evoke the timeless condition of rich and patriotic folk wanting someone else to do their dirty work. A purblind bint like Althouse -would- believe that "has been corrected," but she would be wrong as always.

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  50. John Wesley Hardin11:38 AM

    Don't forget CCR's timeless hit "Up Around the Benghazi" and their cover of "I Heard it Through the Grapevine (that Obama is Going to be Indicted by Darrel Issa)."

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  51. They really don't like it when someone points out the fact that the vast majority of them are chicken hawks.

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  52. And when you have Halliburton and Boeing stock.

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  53. In addition to his misinterpretation of the song, Veterans' Day is not
    about the fucking military, it is about people who served in the
    military.


    "Hereafter, we shall commemorate 11 November as Armistice Day, in honor of the peace---"

    "Veterans Day!!! Woo-hoo, military! Woo-hoo, war and bloodshed! Remember, the military is all that protects your freedoms! Just ask the Oath Keepers!"



    "Er, all right, then. Hereafter, we shall commemorate the last Monday in May as a sober reminder of the high cost in lives of---"


    "Memorial Day!!! Woo-hoo, military! Woo-hoo, war and bloodshed! Remember, all those who died in military service were protecting your freedoms! Just ask all these people who are constantly calling a democratically-elected President a lawless dictator!"


    "... Uh, hereafter, the first Sunday in September shall---Ah, fuck it."

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  54. John Wesley Hardin11:43 AM

    Surprise, Althouse is full of crap.

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  55. I think the draft is one topic of the song, but I picked that up from various hippies, some of whom had to serve because they couldn't afford the doctor's note that would have gotten them out of the draft.

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  56. KatWillow11:44 AM

    Willing to "water the Tree Of Liberty" with someone else's blood.

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  57. Socialist Cubone11:47 AM

    [blockquote] I have to concede that it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they are not rich or well-connected. If that's the message, then it really is a rotten thing to say to our American volunteers.[/blockquote]


    Well, there you have it: Born in the USA is the most anti American song ever written.

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  58. John Wesley Hardin11:48 AM

    The way that cannot be trod is the way to coolness, at least for Althouse.

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  59. bulletsarepeopletoo11:52 AM

    It's the start of War on Veterans Day, coming soon to Fox.

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  60. And pointing it out includes serving in the military. Or at least serving and not dying.

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  61. Helmut Monotreme11:57 AM

    Who names these concerts? Concert for Valor? Are the veterans now vikings or Knights Templar? Don't get me wrong, joining the military is allegedly about service and duty, and maybe sometimes it actually about that. Isn't veterans day more about acknowledging the debt we owe the people who sign up to defend us rather than celebrating the 'glory' of combat? The whole point of a modern military is reducing the amount of 'valor' required to fight. How much valor does it take to fire off a hellfire from some drone at 30,000 feet piloted by some remote operator in middle America? The people that go to war zones, sure work on minimizing the valor they have to use day-to-day as well, they're not calling the Taliban or AQ or IS out to engage one on one in hand to hand combat on the field of honor. They're fighting them at as long a remove as is practical. Which is not to say that US troops don't fight bravely and well, but the point of war isn't to be some allegory for the triumph of good over evil. Here's What Gen. Patton had to say about valor: (from Wikiquote)
    An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This
    individual heroic stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who
    write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any
    more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking!

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  62. Disboose11:57 AM

    Not just a traitorous song, but a crowd infiltrated with Fifth Columnist determined to execute a false flag cheering operation!

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  63. I want to throw countless parades for this comment. I want to build memorials to this comment from sea to shining sea.

    But most of all, I want to short-change this comment on the healthcare I promised it, refuse to give this comment a job, and fight tooth-and-nail against any proposal to do anything at all about homeless comments.

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  64. John Wesley Hardin12:02 PM

    Indeed, I should have asked who says it is only about the draft.

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  65. To be fair, an awful lots of WWII correspondents got killed by being on the front lines. Bill Mauldin is one famous example, and I don't think there was a grunt anywhere in WWII who didn't look at Mauldin's work and know that Mauldin was actually in the thick of the shit, suffering with everyone else. And they loved him for it.

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  66. edroso12:07 PM

    Think you're thinking of Ernie Pyle. Mauldin lived a good long while.

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  67. Gah! You're right. As I sit here looking at my copy of Back Home on my bookshelf.

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  68. And to continue the thread of the wit and wisdom of George Patton:

    ""The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."

    So, all's fair, from the above mentioned Hellfire to sneaking up behind someone and bashing them with a rock.

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  69. BadExampleMan12:20 PM

    Or, you know, STOP MAKING MORE OF THEM.



    Sometimes I really hate these people.

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  70. RogerAiles12:23 PM

    I'd like to thank Ethan Epstein for his service.


    He ain't no Irving Kristol's son.

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  71. Helmut Monotreme12:24 PM

    How long did the Romans keep legionaries standing on top of Hadrian's wall?

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  72. BG, still irked12:24 PM

    The song, not to put too fine a point on it, is an anti-war screed, taking shots at "the red white and blue." It was a particularly terrible choice given that Fortunate Son is, moreover, an anti-draft song, and this concert was largely organized to honor those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.



    No, you nitwit, it's about rich shithead phony patriots who send OTHER people's sons off to war, all in the name of the red, white, and blue.

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  73. Halloween_Jack12:26 PM

    Part of the propaganda of the modern military involves trying to make it sexier, whether it's by using terms such as "warrior" or "warfighter" (as if everyone's Conan the Barbarian or Jaime Lannister), or by giving everyone in the infantry the kind of beret that used to be reserved for special forces. There's also the relatively new Army dress uniform; the officers have blue pants with a gold stripe down the side, which is meant to evoke Civil War-era uniforms (wonder what the neo-Confederates think of that), but instead reminds me of Nova, the Human Rocket.

    http://www.lordstudios.com/blog/NovabyRyanLord.jpg

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  74. RogerAiles12:31 PM

    Get a brain, Moran!

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  75. BadExampleMan12:31 PM

    At least in this specific case it's not the blood of someone else's toddlers.

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  76. Helmut Monotreme12:32 PM

    Yeah, I suppose it would be a harder sell for a recruiter to convince people to sign up for a position as an entry level war service technician with a chance to eventually get promoted to assistant war district manager.

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  77. tigrismus12:34 PM

    Admitting the country is not 100% perfect* is at least as unpatriotic and demeaning to the troops as not kissing the asses of war pushers and profiteers who never fight.

    *unless you're bitching about how bad some out group have made it.

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  78. mgmonklewis12:39 PM

    Not even Chuck Hagel was immune from being attacked by them when he became that one's Secretary of Defense. Wingnut tribe ├╝ber alles!

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  79. Wheee, the Left expands on its annual War On Christmas with a new front - the War On Veteran's Day!

    Comrades! We feel this new assault may indeed bring the war within measurable distance of its end! Victory! Victory! Victory!

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  80. Mr. Wonderful12:42 PM

    (When they made a movie of Robert Stone's Dog Soldiers, they called it Who'll Stop the Rain? Stone hated the new title, and said something like, "'Who'll' is something you'd hear from Professor Irwin Corey.")

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  81. Yup, there's a reason it's called VETERAN'S Day.

    But, christ on a fucking crutch, we live in a country that named the anniversary of our worst terrorist attack "Patriot's Day", so, you know.

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  82. It's like they are on permanently offensive

    FTFY.

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  83. Professor Fate12:46 PM

    First for Ms Moran I'd ask you define what you mean by 'anti-patriotic' as to me Fortunate Son Blisters with the sting of someone who truly cares about the republic confronted with the mutants who have well and truly fouled the nest (all the while waving the flag).
    and second - who the hell are you to tell them they should and should not cheer - Move to North Korea if you want that sort of power.

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  84. Oh, yes, let's talk Vietnam veterans, indeed.

    Slagging John Kerry isn't where it started; it started with these yahoos back when the war was still on, when soldiers returned and said they didn't agree with what they were sent for. They were called traitors back then by the right, and it was the left that ran the coffeehouses where soldiers were welcomed and aided and given the respect that the hard-hats and knuckledraggers refused to give. WE cared about the troops; THEY only wanted little John Waynes, and, when they didn't get them, turned on their own soldiers as violently as any "no blood for oil" liberal wingnut strawman.

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  85. mgmonklewis12:55 PM

    Taciti?

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  86. John Wesley Hardin1:03 PM

    We have always been at war with Veteran's Day.

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  87. Cato the Censor1:05 PM

    Does Ann Althouse figure that GIs join up because they're so patriotic and not BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND A CIVILIAN JOB? The latter motive was sure as hell the reason why I joined the Army over thirty years ago and I doubt very much that aspect of military service has changed at all. The way people fetishize the U.S. military nowadays is nauseating. I sometimes think I preferred it when most civilians pretty much despised servicepeople. It was a lot more honest.

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  88. Of course, back when the berets became universal, the wingnuts were squalling about how this was "political correctness" making eveyone "equal", just like giving out trophies to all the kids on Field Day.

    But, that was before Faceshooter and Dubya's Excellent Mideast Adventures, so you know, who gave a shit about troops back then?

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  89. You know who else fought a war on two fronts?

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  90. Marion in Savannah1:15 PM

    In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning.

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  91. Giant Monster Gamera1:15 PM

    The War on Veterans Day can lead directly into the War on Thanksgiving, where Tofurkey is a direct affront on the God-fearing Pilgrims. Then we can head straight into the War on Christmas.

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  92. One might point her to all the military recruiting commercials saying "We'll pay for your college", as well.

    Why does the Army hate the troops?

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  93. Gromet1:31 PM

    it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they are not rich or well-connected. If that's the message, then it really is a rotten thing to say to our American volunteers.



    I love that she is advocating we lie to our vets. I love that she is saying, let's not look even remotely at statistics. Let's pretend every tax bracket sends the exact same proportion of its sons and daughters into war.


    Alicublog is a great place to laugh at how assy these little morons are, but sometimes they do something so beyond the pale, so transparently self-serving with such obviously deadly consequences for others, all for the mendacious worsening of the country in every conceivable way, and I feel genuine anger bordering on hate.


    Shorter Althouse: "Just one day a year, is it too much to ask Democrats that they join us in lying cruelly to our veterans?"

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  94. Matt Jones1:34 PM

    " I have to concede that it's possible that Bruce thinks — and somehow conveyed — that those who volunteer today are doing so because it's their best option in the limited array of choices they have because they are not rich or well-connected. If that's the message, then it really is a rotten thing to say to our American volunteers."


    Yep, it sure would be shitty to tell "our American volunteers" the actual stories of many of their lives.


    Perhaps Althouse dimly realizes that if she cheered for a war where the people who are doing all the dying actually *did* enlist because bleeding out in Mosul's streets *was* their best possible future, it might reflect negatively on her and her colleagues...

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  95. redoubtagain1:41 PM

    Yet.

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  96. Gromet1:42 PM

    Perfect. When I was a kid, I used to read about the Soviet Union (it was a big thing at the time) and be puzzled as to how their govt could act so weirdly and how the people could fall for it. The whole evil empire seemed to depend on a willingness to gulag a crowd that, say, danced to a non-approved song; like if the band playing Red Square went off-script in the mildest way for 3 minutes, the whole System was at risk. And so the wagons would circle to claim it hadn't happened that way, and the people were courageous, and no one would have enjoyed that kind of western decadence and so on. And this Moran's tweet brought all that back. It is just perfectly the essence of [my whole teenage understanding of] the USSR.

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  97. I would like to offer this comment a hot cup of coffee and a comfortable seat for as long as it is needed.

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  98. Gromet1:48 PM

    Kind of proves they are constitutionally incapable of not complaining. I mean they coulda wrote about how great veterans are. Why instead go with "damn hippies" and re-fight a battle from 45 years ago? Clearly 2014 is a country where veterans like a rock song. Why fear that as evidence of collapse? How utterly fail to grasp it? Why not just grab a fucking beer and enjoy it?

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  99. Disboose1:48 PM

    Or if they thought they were fighting to stop the smoking gun that would be a mushroom cloud in Times Square!

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  100. Helmut Monotreme1:56 PM

    So what part of the Army wears the raspberry beret?

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  101. zencomix2:01 PM

    Hey, old man. Mr. Natural is a retired taxi driver from Afghanistan.

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  102. mortimer20002:05 PM

    On a more serious note, Tomas Young, the subject of this moving documentary">this moving documentary*, died Sunday night after years of misery, paralysis and pain. He was 34. If it were up to me, any Concert for Valor would include a segment where warmongering scumbags like Bush, Cheney, Kristol, McCain et al would be forced to watch the entire thing.

    *Also on Netflix, and it should be required viewing by all the fucking hypocritical troop "supporters" who really don't give a shit.

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  103. zencomix2:06 PM

    "Epstein forgot to mention the big finale, where the rockstars spit on the vets from the stage and called them war pigs."


    It's too bad they didn't play War Pigs. It would have given aneurisms to the editors at The Weekly Standard, literally heads exploding. Maybe next year...

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  104. Gromet2:06 PM

    I love all the useless words in that quote, btw. Not to put to fine a point on it, moreover, largely -- I would hug one of these nitwits if he or she could just stop dressing their terrible ideas in so many bow ties.

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  105. Gromet2:22 PM

    They're fighting them at as long a remove as is practical./i>


    I'd say it still requires valor -- bravery and nerve in the face of danger. Sure, if I'm sitting at a computer in Alabama piloting a cruise missile toward a hideout, I'm not at risk of being killed. But I accept other risks. What if I can't be sure the big bad guy is in the target zone -- looks like just womenfolk, and my boss says no, we have intel, hit it. What if I send the bomb down and at the last instant, I see a small boy in the way? It's no secret these things happen. I go home knowing I killed people, maybe innocent people. Signing up, I take on that burden, and it's going to require bravery and nerve to shoulder it. I think there is the potentially disabling terror you might experience when some enemy is shooting at you, and you have to find a way to organize yourself in the face of it -- that's valor for sure, and this is different. But it is also a kind of valor to organize yourself mentally and morally and physically in the face of killing from a remove.


    Take this with a grain of salt; I'm not a veteran.


    It is a clunky, dumb name for a concert though. It sounds like it was named by an asshole.

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  106. They don't like the RIGHT KIND of rock songs.

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  107. And none this detracts from your main point - Ann Althouse is a moron.

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  108. Giant Monster Gamera2:33 PM

    Coming Winter 2015: The War on Valentines Day. The Beatles "From Me To You" is exposed to contain a clever collectivist chorus meant to divide couples into makers vs. takers, while "Money (That's What I Want)" is declared the national anthem.

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  109. But the “Concert for Valor,” a Veterans Day event sponsored by HBO and Starbucks, in front of the Capitol Building, was not the place for it.

    I feel let down that none of them mentioned Lena Dunham or sodomite semen.

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  110. BigHank532:44 PM

    I'll see your Kerry, Cleland, Duckworth, and Doie, and then I'll raise you a Bowe Bergdahl, who was a tragic figure of Obama's incompetence until he got released, and so had to be turned into...a tragic figure of Obama's incompetence.

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  111. I can't stand Bruce Springsteen, and much as I dislike the Weekly Standard's bellyaching, it's not as bad as listening to Bruce straining histrionically.Well. Not all her taste is in her mouth.

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  112. Read lyrics from 'star spangled eyes' to 'military son, son' and understand the context of troop-bashing era, obvious imo.


    And you're a dipshit, imo.


    Really, they don't even know why they're angry. But someone said they should be angry, so by criminy, they're going to be angry.


    It occurs to me, not for the first time, that it would be fun to test the limits of their outrage. Could we actually get them to shout at clouds?

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  113. Yeah, it turns out that hippies did spit on returning troops. As long as "hippies" is defined as "dessicated right-wing shitstains running VFW posts."

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  114. Helmut Monotreme3:21 PM

    I'm not sure that the definition of valor is plastic enough to fit the definition of "willing to remotely pilot a drone and risk killing innocent civilians". I would grant for normal people this would be a heavy responsibility, but I would also allow for the possibility that some of the drone operators are no more troubled by collateral damage in the real world than they would be by another kill in a video game.

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  115. Could we actually get them to shout at clouds?I suspect Joni Ernst, Ben Sasse, Jody Hice, Ryan Zinke, and Glenn Grothman, at the very least, already have been shouting at clouds. I know that Gordon Klingenschmitt has. Why, do you think it would help if even more of them did so ... and still got elected?

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  116. BigHank533:34 PM

    There was an article a couple years back (maybe in Wired?) about a group of the drone pilots based out of Las Vegas, some of whom were having difficulty because their job was basically on the front lines in Afghanistan: directing missile fire onto (hopefully) insurgent position. But once their shift was over, they didn't go back to the barracks and commiserate with their peers or bitch about the lousy food at the mess hall. They went back home to the suburbs of Vegas, which weren't exactly designed with the mental well-being of active soldiers in mind.

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  117. Curse you, Roy, for making me google "Louie Louie" to finally understand this urban legend. Actually Snopes is pretty fascinating on the subject: http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/louie.asp and its clear Louie Louie was part of a moral panic that went all the way up to the FBI. Really worth clicking the link, actually.

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  118. Halloween_Jack3:35 PM

    "Private defense contractor" isn't a particularly sexy title--it seems deliberately designed to sound like the antithesis of "mercenary"--but they tend to get paid better, I think.

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  119. Tragic. Thank you for posting this.

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  120. satch3:38 PM

    The 82nd Airborne.

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  121. Or anyone's mental wellbeing, actually.

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  122. The naughty bits.

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  123. Gromet3:41 PM

    I suppose you get all types in the military, some normal, some abnormal. I believe that the people I've known who've served would not think it was nothing, though.

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  124. Provider_UNE3:45 PM

    Didn't these guys just win some elections?

    For x sake take a breather for a minute...
    ....

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  125. And curse you for making me look in the bookcase & find my (first edition, yet) copy of Marsh's book. I guess after 20 yrs. I should read it.

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  126. redoubtagain4:01 PM

    (At least no Star-Spangled Onion Rings showed up. So there's that.)

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  127. Whether The Flintstones is Indeed a Rip-Off of The Honeymooners.

    Yes.

    End of discussion.

    NEXT!

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  128. Giant Monster Gamera4:07 PM

    The idea that with the assistance of external heat, water can turn into vapor sounds an awful lot like evil-ution. God created water to be water and clouds to be clouds and the two can never mix and we all know that rain is the result of angels weeping.


    So yes, tell them that if they should at clouds it will make the angels cry and it will solve that drought problem.

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  129. This is why I tend to poke at trolls, even though I know better; for the blissful day when I can provoke one into screeching sharting frother mode.

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  130. Does anyone else enjoy saying the name "KLEEENGENSCHMEET" in a Colonel Klink-type voice?

    I dare say it's the only happy we're going to get out of this guy.

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  131. satch4:10 PM

    This song actually resonates more now than it did when it came out in '69. When the draft was in place, it was at least theoretically possible that the sons of the powerful could be snapped up along with the less well-connected. Now, with economic opportunities becoming more and more limited, young people are signing up looking for a career. Sure, there are people willing to put their lives on hold to serve their country, but for every Pat Tillman, there are a hundred Lynndie Englands, Jessica Lynches, and Bowe Bergdahls. And because the draft is over, the gulf between those who served and those who just couldn't leave their kids and careers (Cough*Jonah*Cough) is widening to the point where even if... and that's a BIG if... Ann Althouse and Ethan Epstein were sincerely interested in emphathising with returning vets, they would be hopelessly lost.

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  132. drkrick4:12 PM

    This version from Ivan Neville and the New Orleans Social Club on Austin City Limits is pretty great, too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShHe7nh5mkc

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  133. drkrick4:12 PM

    Oh Lord, those upholstered Kustom amps!

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  134. M. Krebs4:17 PM

    Rolled and tucked naugahyde! And sadly solid state.

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  135. Eminem swearing onstage? The horror! There may have been sailors in the audience, and we all know what shrinking violets they are.

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  136. we all know what shrinking violets they are

    You couldn't expect them to curse like sail- hey, wait a minute...

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  137. M. Krebs4:24 PM

    Gomer's dad!

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  138. So, when you ask them how much should we give they only answer more, more, more?

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  139. M. Krebs4:28 PM

    Hey, that's some pretty good shit.

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  140. Add "Money Can't Buy Me Love" to the list of Enemy Tunes.

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  141. Gromet4:49 PM

    That sounds like an article I read and which I had in mind when I commented. I read another one about a base in Alabama with similar troubles maybe? And more recently, definitely one about a soldier who felt terrible because he was pretty sure he killed a little boy. I wish I had citations for even one. Sorry :(

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  142. As a liberal Democrat who voted for Obama, I just hate it when people shout at clouds. Hates it with a white-hot passion, I do. Yep, really pisses me off.

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  143. montag26:10 PM

    Ordinary Soviet citizens used to say, there's no news in Pravda (truth), and no truth in Izvestia (news). They weren't fooled that they were being propagandized on a daily basis.

    Unlike a high percentage of Americans, most especially those enamored of Fox News. After Stalin died, there was a brief thaw in Soviet-U.S. relations, and the State Dept. invited a bunch of Russian reporters and academics over to see the virtues of the United States first-hand. They let them scatter out across the landscape to take in all the glory that was the U.S. of A. A few weeks later, they all returned to Washington, D.C., for a conference. The State Dept. expected them to marvel at the wonders of capitalism, but were chagrined to discover that what most impressed them was how the United States had achieved such a high level of conformity and uniformity of opinion without state-operated media.

    The authoritarian conservatoids have never gotten over the dirty hippies spoiling their happy idiocy.

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  144. M. Krebs6:31 PM

    The Purple Rain Corps?

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  145. M. Krebs6:39 PM

    It does make one wonder where they get the stamina.

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  146. montag26:47 PM

    Yeah, it was theoretically possible, but in my experience at the time, almost unheard of. The well-to-do could always short-circuit the draft process with a timely medical report from the family physician. Knees and shoulders, high-school/college sports injuries (real and imaginary) were virtually guaranteed to generate a 4F, if the draft board didn't just whiz past the fortunate fellow's name as the scion of some local prominent family. And for those unable (too stupid, too blitzed, too distracted) to escape the draft, there was always the National Guard, ala Bush and Quayle.

    You know who did get drafted? The schmos without the resources to get out of it. I still remember sitting in some classroom in basic, one evening, filling out some form, and noticing that the guy in front of me, from Tennessee (who probably should have been 4F'ed, anyway, because he only weighed 102 pounds) spelled his own name two different ways on the same form.

    By the time the war was well under way, the army and the marines had reduced the minimum allowable score on the AFQT to, IIRC, 13 (100 was dead average). When I was doing record reviews, I saw people coming back from Vietnam who'd been drafted from the Pacific territories (Guam, Samoa, the Mariannas) with scores of 2 and 3. And, mind you, I only saw the ones that came back....

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  147. I think this is my favorite: The Washington Times calling "Fortunate Son" "Creedence Clearwater’s Revival’s draft-dodging anthem."

    I think there's a pretty solid case to be made that conservatives are incapable of understanding music unless it hit them over the head (or threatens to stick a boot up someone's ass). After all, they thought Born in the USA was some hyper-patriotic anthem, they picked a song about Quentin Crisp (Englishman in New York) as one of the great conservative songs. And here, they can't even parse straight-forward lyrics about who evades the draft and who doesn't and why that's so.

    It's not that they don't do nuance--they can barely follow the bouncing ball for Sing Along with Mitch.

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  148. mommadillo7:12 PM

    Please excuse Epstein from making any sense in his writing today. He has a bad cold.


    Signed,
    Epstein's mother

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  149. My father served in WWII and Korea. And I remember him being outraged at the behavior of the VFW assholes. Their stance for years was "Well, it wasn't a declared war, so GTFO!" To which my father would always point to the other Korean War vets displaying their campaign ribbons and say, "Korea was a police action. Maybe you should rethink that whole 'declared war' thing."

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  150. Another Kiwi7:16 PM

    Only because of state's rights, of course.

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  151. Dick Cheney got five deferments. He just ran the clock out. And then went on to have the balls to send tens of thousands of other families' kids into the meat grinder of Iraq.

    The fact that Cheney and his daughter have not burst into flames, been struck by lightning, drowned in a hot tub, been eaten by a lion, or even run over by a crappy purple Scion is proof that there is no god.

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  152. Brian Schlosser7:22 PM

    "10 Best Conservative Beatles Songs"

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  153. Brian Schlosser7:26 PM

    A few of these, I suspect, have always been in the service... "When do we get the freakin GUNS??!"

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  154. Thomas Cleaver7:26 PM

    I love all these draft-dodging "patriots" and offspring of draft-dodging patriots who are too fucking stupid to realize the song is about people like them. And if Springsteen is saying that the way the system is now, the Army is the only thing open to a lot of working class men and women to get any sort of life, well, hell, he's right!


    I remember speaking on college campuses as an antiwar Vietnam vet, and the local YAF chapter would show up to harass me. I'd congratulate the leader of the stormtroopers about being such a patriot, and ask when he was going to follow his father's example, drop out of college, volunteer for the Army and ask for the infantry and get an assignment to Vietnam since he was so gung-ho. The little shitheads always shut up then.

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  155. Brian Schlosser7:27 PM

    Don't ruin jokes with facts, man.

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  156. montag27:29 PM

    "The fact that Cheney and his daughter have not burst into flames, been
    struck by lightning, drowned in a hot tub, been eaten by a lion, or even
    run over by a crappy purple Scion is proof that there is no god."

    And, y'know, Cheney's God could do all those things to them all at the same time. Which still wouldn't be punishment enough.

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  157. God, that reminds me of this:
    http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/athene-reads-a-desert-called-peace-god-have-mercy-on-her-soul.189449/


    Quick summary - a "let's read" of a horrible, lazily written "9/11 in SPACE!" novel (no, really), reviewed by people who know military stuff and proceed to eviscerate said drek. Much lulz be had.

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  158. LOVE the Spitfire avatar!

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  159. Is she like an arthropod and tastes things with her feet?

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  160. Raaaawwwwaaaaaaa ack ack ack ack!

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  161. Giant Monster Gamera7:32 PM

    Baby, You're a Rich Man
    Money (That's What I Want)
    Carry That Weight
    Dig a Pony
    Happiness is a Warm Gun
    Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
    With a Little Help From My Friends
    You Can't Do That
    Mean Mr. Mustard
    (You're) a Loser

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  162. Yes, and possibly, in that order.

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  163. I would like to bath tis comment in drawn butter.

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  164. montag27:34 PM

    Certainly, "Tax Man" ought to be on that list.

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  165. drspittle7:36 PM

    Whineagra?

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  166. glennisw7:36 PM

    Don't forget the stalker anthem, "Run for Your Life"

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  167. glennisw7:37 PM

    The Romney boys?

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  168. Whineagra™ (sodium pissandbitchafil)

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  169. davdoodles7:42 PM

    "But how else to explain their choice of song—Creedence Clearwater's famously anti-war anthem “Fortunate Son”—at the ostensibly pro-military “Concert for Valor” this evening on the National Mall?
    The song, not to put too fine a point on it, is an anti-war screed, taking shots at "the red white and blue." "

    Moron asks his question and then answers it, correctly. But still insists he doesn't get it.
    Presumably this is because he's being paid to pull out the deliberately stifling old conservative falsehood that 'critisising a war is critisising the troops'.
    Conservative zombie talking points are never too old, never too fake, and never too flogged-to-death, apparently.
    .
    Next, presumably, they'll call for the Dixie Chicks to be lynched.
    .

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  170. montag27:50 PM

    Ah, the YAF. Buckley's useful idiots. Never met a one that didn't have a corncob proudly jammed up his ass.

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  171. Mutaman7:55 PM

    Mead was explaining to Althouse about his experiences in combat in Viet Nam. Did he volunteer or was he drafted?

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  172. montag27:59 PM

    I knew they were into Golden Oldies.

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  173. TGuerrant8:02 PM

    Perfect vehicle for exposing how gay marriage is destroying heterosexual families and America. Hey, Rick Santorum, put some pants on that damn cupid!

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  174. TGuerrant8:06 PM

    Not that said shithead has anything to gain from confusing listeners about the meaning of said song or anything...

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  175. TGuerrant8:18 PM

    Where's she get off calling him "Bruce," anyway?

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  176. Thomas Cleaver8:22 PM

    Actually, it's a P-40C, the first early P-40 to get restored, back in 1998. Photo taken by me out the open tail of the Planes of Fame B-25.

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  177. i think it's obvious now who we really should be stopping to think about on veteran's day--the rightbloggers.

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  178. TGuerrant8:36 PM

    Paul Revere and the Raiders got interviewed by the FBI over it? OK, so I had to go over to Wikipedia to find out about them - kinda before my time. The outfits? And they were from Idaho? And Wikipedia calls them protopunk? I'm too totally unmedicated for shit this weird.

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  179. Burnavenger8:40 PM

    Hey Marv. It's actually about you, a Jew Bag.

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  180. TGuerrant8:41 PM

    Could we actually get them to shout at clouds?

    Awwww, don't let's go to the contrails party...

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  181. Burnavenger8:42 PM

    Whatever. Your elected President is a war monger. Mr. Obozo

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  182. Burnavenger8:43 PM

    You are such an ugly war monging pussy

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  183. Burnavenger8:44 PM

    Oh really and what about your cabinet. Dumb FOOK Obozo and that douche bag from Delaware

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  184. Burnavenger8:45 PM

    At least Cheney believes in God you loser

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  185. Burnavenger8:46 PM

    Your boy Springsteen sang it dick weed

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  186. Burnavenger8:47 PM

    You and Stinksteen getting a hold of each other?

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  187. Burnavenger8:48 PM

    Go run to Roy the queer you home. Maybe you can both finger bang each other loser

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  188. TGuerrant8:48 PM

    :::making the popcorn:::

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  189. KatWillow8:50 PM

    I guess they're the proverbial "Green Bay Tree".

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  190. Burnavenger8:50 PM

    Get a job loser. Libtard blogs are killing you

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  191. KatWillow8:51 PM

    Maybe he should have actually asked one of the persons cheering?

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  192. Burnavenger8:51 PM

    Actuall YOu are a loser. Fook off

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  193. Burnavenger8:52 PM

    You mean for you Glenny. The pedophile?

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  194. Giant Monster Gamera8:53 PM

    Ain't She Sweet

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  195. Burnavenger8:53 PM

    You are a dirty, fruit loop coward Royboy

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  196. Burnavenger8:55 PM

    The military is an excuse now for these loser college students to pay off their student loans.

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  197. Burnavenger8:55 PM

    Stop writing in EBONICS. It's English

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  198. Burnavenger8:56 PM

    She is a dumb blonde

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