It seems to exclude from the middle class everyone who doesn’t draw a regular paycheck from a single organization -- the self-employed (about 11 percent of the workforce), the retired, housewives, students -- as well as employees on limited-term contracts. As a self-employed writer who doesn’t have “a job,” let alone a secure one, I found the word choice striking.Don't these littlebrains know this is Freelance Nation, where freedom rules and it's "fire 'em all, let Galt sort 'em out"? Postrel worried that policy makers might "decide to follow the polls and try to guarantee everyone 'a secure job' in order to promote the middle class... regulations, for example, to make it harder to fire long-term employees."
You can see why this would be horrible, and if you can't, Postrel explained, one sector of American life was already doing this with imperfect results. She didn't use the example of unionized jobs -- perhaps because people had already heard enough libertarian rants on unions that it wasn't working anymore -- but chose instead academia, which libertarians (and conservatives who don't bother to call themselves libertarians) had already been trained to hate (she even called it "the professoriate" to make it sound extra Marxy. Ah, those Romney-ready days of '12!). Fewer than a third of professors got tenure and the perks that go with, she reported, while the rest got shit and sometimes had to work other jobs, creating a "two-tiered system that depends heavily on people whose main jobs are doing something else." Not like capitalism at all! And that "is what you get when you guarantee permanent employment but need flexibility as conditions change."
So the moral of the story was: Things suck but whatever you do don't try and make it better with worker protections.
This week Postrel offers another post on a similar subject. Since we are now in the age of conservatarian reform and the brethren are obliged to affect solicitude for the peons, it is not called "Case Against Job Security Part II," but "Why Being a Part-Time Worker Is Miserable." Bosses are apparently scheduling people who don't "draw a regular paycheck from a single organization" -- people like Postrel, except much poorer -- in such a way as to maximize profits but minimize the workers' ability to schedule other jobs, leading to inescapable poverty. (As what I can only imagine is a private joke, Postrel brings in Megan McArdle to help her weep over this.)
Again, this, too, is nothing like capitalism. And guess what Postrel's main concern is:
....employers can’t offer, and workers can’t take, lower wages in exchange for better hours. The minimum wage sets a legal floor.Goddamn Gummint! Her point of comparison this time is the pharmacy: All those lucky pharmacists making a median wage of $58/hr (many of them women!), while "many clerks and cashiers, by contrast, make minimum wage." (Funny, she didn't see this as a problem when she commended the example of lady pharmacists in 2011.) And get this: those clerks' and cashiers' wages "can’t legally go any lower. Even those who make more than the legal minimum often have wages tied to it." So they're caught in a tap where they can't work for quarters and loose cigarettes, and the boss is caught in a trap where he has to use those cruel flex-time schedules -- the market demands it.
So the moral of the story is: Things suck but whatever you don't try and make it better with a higher minimum wage. Go sell a kidney or something.
Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
I had forgotten how much i hate virginia postrel.
ReplyDeleteI too want to live in a fantasy world where low-wage laborers can demand tradeoffs from their bosses in exchange for accepting even shittier wages.
ReplyDeleteI mean, maybe if we had some sort of system where laborers could band together to leverage their collective value to their employer, but no, we have to ban that because Truly Free Markets.
... Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again? ...
ReplyDeleteWell, they all feast on human blood and have no souls, but vampires are interesting.
I'm surprised she didn't drag in the newest, latest, greatest most fantastic right-wing argument against raising the minimum wage: Companies will just pass along the added expense of min-wage increases! So, you see, if McDonald's is forced to pay $15 per hour, it will increase the price of a Big Mac by 5 cents, thus completely wiping out the wage gain of its employees and hurting everyone else in the process.
ReplyDeleteThese people are beyond brain damaged.
There are no sexy novels featuring the first two.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's the one thing you don't want to be in the wingnut welfare industry. Forgettable.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder she spends so much energy kvetching about employability.
And, of course, there's what would likely happen here in the real world if we got rid of the minimum wage: Employers would pay people less and still jerk around their hours and schedules to prevent them working a second job.
ReplyDeletePlease. You know Ross Douthat beats it to the awkward shame-sex in Brighton Rock.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
ReplyDeleteLibertarians walk around in daylight.
Yes! I'd much rather work 40 flexible hours at $5.00/hr to earn $200 than $7.25/hr at some rigid and inflexible 28 hour schedule for that amount. I mean, who wouldn't? Think of how much more freedom I'd have! If only my employer were unconstrained by the shackles of minimum wage!
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, they're still completely in the dark.
ReplyDeleteAh yes, another comfy sociopath arguing that life would be much better for the working poor if we'd just get rid of that pesky minimum wage. Then they could work 24 hours a day to barely not be able to meet basic needs and they wouldn't need to waste money on housing!
ReplyDeleteI guess we should be glad these perverts stay indoors masturbating into their copy of Atlas Shrugged and sharing their Deep Thoughts. Otherwise they might be out trying to help their fellow man. By throwing anchors to people who are drowning, spraying gasoline on house fires and opening up the femoral arteries of people who've broken their legs.
p.s. Why is this post not titled Goin' Postrel? I shall complain to the management, you may be sure.
Tell ya what: How about you work 80 flexible hours at $2.50 per hour? No?
ReplyDeleteThen here's your real-world deal: 40 hours at $1.25 per hour. No benefits. And YOU pay the entirety of the payroll taxes (no employer share). And you have to buy your uniform. AND I get to charge you for the supplies you use in performing the work.
Now that, my friend, is freedom writ large. And, of course, nobody who's a real libertarian will EVER be an employee--especially not an employee of another libertarian.
Is there anything Ross Douthat doesn't beat it too?
ReplyDeleteGoin' Postrel
ReplyDeletePlease collect your internets as you have won them for today.
Reese Whitherspoon photos.
ReplyDelete"...but chose instead academia, which libertarians (and conservatives who
ReplyDeletedon't bother to call themselves libertarians) had already been trained
to hate (she even called it "the professoriate" to make it sound extra
Marxy."
Oh, dear, Virginia... late to the party again. Freelancing has hit academia hard, in the form of "adjunct" professors, which is Galtspeak for "College Classroom Leaders To Whom We Don't Give Contracts Or Benefits Or A Regular Paycheck". What's the matter, Virginia... does Bloomberg News not treat you freelancers well enough?
Before you die, Vampires will eat the kidney you're trying to sell. Conservatives will wait for you to die before eating the kidney you're trying to sell, so they can get the best price. Libertarians won't eat the kidney. They'll dry it and smoke it in Rand Paul's garage on Labor Day Weekend.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to exclude from the middle class everyone who doesn’t draw a
ReplyDeleteregular paycheck from a single organization -- the self-employed (about
11 percent of the workforce), the retired, housewives, students -- as
well as employees on limited-term contracts.Hey, you know what else seems to exclude most members of those groups from the middle class? Not having enough money.
employers can’t offer, and workers can’t take, lower wages in exchange for better hours.If they're running up against the minimum wage floor, then it's also apparently true that employers can't offer higher wages in exchange for the worse hours, for some mysterious reason. The asymmetry there is a real puzzle. Perhaps if Postrel and McArdle put their heads together, again and again, with sufficient force, it would eventually shut them the fuck up.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
ReplyDeletevampires are sexy.
Ah, the new Bad Thing that will happen is computer programs will serve our food.
ReplyDeleteOnly vampires can live long enough to be centuries older than the high school students they date?
ReplyDelete"Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?"
ReplyDeleteThere are at least some sexy vampires.
That's weird: why haven't all those franchise owners already replaced all their minimum wage workers with iPads and (presumably) industrial robots for actual order assembly? I mean, the argument is valid even at current minimum wage levels, right?
ReplyDelete... Sorry, guys, I couldn't hear your reply over the sound of my software app eating an entirely virtual hamburger.
A-hem: John Derbyshire.
ReplyDeleteOne group is made up of narcissistic, sociopathic parasites who believe the mass of humanity is beneath them and exists only to be used. The other is vampires.
ReplyDeleteWait a second: So some organization decided that the argument that only a low minimum wage is keeping McDonald's from turning each franchise into the Brain Center at Whipple's was such a logical and compelling idea that they spent good money on a billboard?
ReplyDeleteDamn, wingnuts have way too much cash. Imagine if they did something useful with it.
Poor Virginia, however does she live on her meager freelance wages? And through grinding poverty where does she find the strength of character to remain true to her libertarian values?
ReplyDeleteOne shouldn’t read too much into her Princeton degree, which to some might hint at a blue-blood life funded by family money nor should one read anything into her husband Steven who is a professor of economics - one assumes that is a paid gig.
My bet is every night as they wait to drift off into uneasy slumber they hunker down under their 1200 count sheets and pray thusly: “Dear God, please help us find enough change on the street tomorrow to afford a couple dented cans of soup at our local bodega.”
Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
ReplyDeletePeople will actually pay to watch a movie about vampires.
Replying to you and to mds, below: I'd like to think that they've abandoned this argument because of its self-evident flaw: Either someone still has to carry the food from kitchen to table (meaning no personnel reduction is possible), or the restaurant becomes self-serve or buffet-style and gets to kiss the better-paying clientele goodbye.
ReplyDeleteBut "self-evident" is not an expression with which people like Postrell or McArdle are familiar. Indeed, things that are self-evident to most people (i.e., if you pay people less money, they have less money and are more impoverished) become the springboard for leaps of pretzel logic for people like Postrell and McArdle (If you pay people less money, they will happily trade some of that reduced money for even less control over their lives!).
But if those people had money, they'd just waste it on frivolous crap like rent, food, a mortgage, healthcare, or sending their kids to college. That's why it's much better for them to be poor, because the poor are much better off than any of the Koch brothers.
ReplyDelete. . . her husband Steven who is a professor of economics . . .
ReplyDeleteTenured, too, I'd guess. Worrying about job security is for other people--just like Virginia sez.
I can't tell: Is that Ann Althouse or Ann Coulter?
ReplyDeleteYou are right. "Let them hate me, as long as they fear me" also known as "just spell my name right."
ReplyDeleteSteve's a full time lecturer at a business school. He probably has reasonable expectations of job security, but still failed to grab the golden ring of tenure somewhere. So the resentment.
ReplyDeleteI keep waiting for the restaurant industry to declare that high-end buffets are the hot new trend (and not coincidentally, save them some major labor costs).. People are already used to that stuff at weddings and fancy office parties, why not take the next step? And then, who's to say they won't try to start a wave of "Cook your own food right in Chef Blahblah's kitchen!" restaurants! (BYO food and service items!)
ReplyDeleteIndeed, we have real-world evidence to show that even when the minimum wage is reduced to zero, employers still wind up doing things like fucking the help and selling off the resulting children.
ReplyDeleteYou have to admire the hermetic directionality of the libertarian mind: the only facts that enter are those that support the arguments of libertarianism! Where I come from, that's called "arguing from conclusions", but I guess Postrel and McArdle rely on their editors being even worse at reasoning than they are.
Clearly, it is because the employers are generously providing workers with shitty, underpaid jobs out of the goodness of their hearts, simply because they want to be the most saintly and exalted members of our community these days, the Job Creators. See how much they care! And how do you respond, America? By demanding filthy, evil MONEY. How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror?
ReplyDeleteLibertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
ReplyDeleteVampires, being entirely fictional, haven't killed anyone. Would that the body count from the first two was comparable.
I met a sexy libertarian once.
ReplyDeletePlus, vampires have a moral sense.
ReplyDeleteAnd the $15 minimum wage is being phased in over several years, so unless the Randians take over, everyone's wages should be able to absorb that 5 cent hit.
ReplyDelete"Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?"
ReplyDeleteVampires don't expect you to thank them.
Don't these littlebrains know this is Freelance Nation
ReplyDeleteFreelancers, temp workers, interns, whatever you have to label an employee to not be legally required to give them any benefits, protections, or decent pay/hours.
[OMG, I'm going to feel really bad about this.]
ReplyDeleteThey did do something useful, see?
Well, he needs to seize the weapon of Galtian manhood and go start his own school.
ReplyDeleteInvoluntary Immigrant Non-remunerative Jobs Placement Initiative.
ReplyDeleteYou're forgetting that the new mission of colleges and universities is to get smart kids to pay exorbitant tuition so the administrators become wealthy. The only real education on offer is incidental (and too often in the form of "If you don't know who the sucker is . . .")
ReplyDeleteJust what the world is clamoring for...
ReplyDeleteFrickin frackin Disqus. Guest est moi.
ReplyDeleteBut who will revise the vision statement? You need to think this through.
ReplyDeleteYes. And vampires are fictional, which unfortunately is not true of libertarians or conservatives ;-)
ReplyDeleteA 200-story University Of The Sky sheathed in Rearden Metal, powered by perpetual engines!
ReplyDeleteThat, presumably, is why the numbers, both absolute and relative, of university administrators has gone up in the past several decades much faster than the numbers of faculty.* How many of those admins are adjunct, working for $4000 a semester without benefits, I hear you ask? Silly you. You can't get good people if you don't offer competitive compensation.
ReplyDelete*Or other support staff. When my university's food service was restructured in the mid-90s and hundreds of workers were downsized, there was a proud announcement that a new clerical worker had been added at the central office. Comparable downsizing did not happen at the white-collar level. The admin who handled the restructuring had to be let go after a year because of his incompetence, but he still got his $200K/year pay. Cooks and dishwashers who were let go, needless to say, got no such indulgence.
My hands are tied! I either have to treat you like shit or pay you shit. There are no other choices.
ReplyDeleteIf I've told you once, I've told you a dozen times: that was a librarian. With a stutter.
ReplyDeleteThey've been spending their the money their beneficent job givers loaned them on mirrors? Disgusting wastrels! And vain as well!
ReplyDeleteThe truest freedom will be realized with the return of scrip and the company store.
ReplyDeleteAnd the decency not to come out in daylight.
ReplyDeleteYou mean the University of Phoenix?
ReplyDeleteVampires sparkle, libertarians glisten with a snake-oil sheen, and conservatives have a matte-orange finish resulting from all that Cheeto dust.
ReplyDeleteI used to work at a TV station on 42nd Street in Manhattan--right up the street from Woolworth's and the Horn & Hardart Automat. The Automat was a real wonder to explore, but I wouldn't have eaten anything there on a bet. (Especially with so much fantastic food on offer in that area of Manhattan.)
ReplyDeleteGee, Virginia, maybe the reason 86% of respondents didn't answer "a steady job" or "a reliable income" is because those weren't choices in the survey question they were asked.
ReplyDeleteWhich of the following do you think Americans need to be considered as part of the middle class?
a. To own a home
b. A secure job
c. A college education
d. Stocks, bonds or other investments
e. Health insurance
But you have to appreciate her dishonesty in inventing answers just to make a point. She might as well have written A whopping 86 percent said you have to have “a secure job.” Not “a great CD collection” or “frequent oral sex” but “a secure job.”
HORN & HARDART?? Sounds a bit rude!
ReplyDeleteAutomat machines make me think of hospitals. Hospitals don't whet my appetite.
There is a third choice here: Treat the worker like shit AND pay the worker shit. It's all the rage now!
ReplyDeleteVampires are make-believe.
ReplyDeleteLibercons make shit up.
So, the idea is, if you get paid less than minimum wage, your boss would schedule you so that you could go to your second and third sub-minimum wage jobs?
ReplyDeleteHmm...
It seems you might equally ask why, if labor supply outstrips labor demand, companies wouldn't just pay less and demand the exact same scheduling flexibility from their employers that they demand now.
Or you might ask, if people now need to work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, might it be the case that they'd need 4 or 5 sub minimum wage jobs to do the same?
There's a sort of optimistic logic in some conservative thinking where getting rid of something mediocre will always result in a better idea coming in to replace it.
I've been thinking a lot lately about what Paul Ryan's story about school lunches from a few months back:
“The left is making a big mistake here. What they’re offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. The American people want more than that. This reminds me of a story I heard from Eloise Anderson. She serves in the cabinet of my buddy, Governor Scott Walker. She once met a young boy from a very poor family, and every day at school, he would get a free lunch from a government program. He told Eloise he didn’t want a free lunch. He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown-paper bag just like the other kids. He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown-paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”
His basic point is that it's better to get your lunch from somebody who loves you and cares about you personally than it is to get slop from a bureaucrat who serves 900 children and has no idea who you are.
Now, that's hard to argue, but his conclusion was then, "So if we get rid of school lunches, parents will have to step in to fill the gap!" which is not quite as obviously true.
Yes! No humans involved at all. Nothing but robots back behind those glass doors.
ReplyDeleteAw, that's the nicest thing that anyone's said about me this month. Originally, I'm from New Hampshire. Currently residing in rural Virginia, down in the pointy western end.
ReplyDeleteemployers can’t offer, and workers can’t take, lower wages in exchange for better hours.Apparently employees would be better-off if employers could pay them the same amount of money in return for working longer hours. What?
ReplyDeleteI've constructed this argument using only the finest Wisconsin anecdote and carefully selected Heartland straw!
ReplyDeleteHell, I don't see how someone can consider themselves middle-class without a minimum of three items off that list.
ReplyDeleteWell, that brings back memories. My father was from Philadelphia (where H&H began). It was pretty weird to a boy who had never seen anything like.it before. Strangers sat next to each other, too.
ReplyDeleteThis is what the left does not understand.
ReplyDeleteI understand that one side wants every child born into a family that wants them and loves them, and one side views children as a punishment for bad behavior, one that people must be forced to bear.
I wondered about that. Man, I need a job where I can write stupid shit with no research for pay instead of for free like I do now!
ReplyDeleteIt does make one wonder about the parenting all these hard-line conservatives received, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteYou don't need to wonder.
ReplyDeleteAnd SHUT UP, Costco! I CAN'T HEAAAARRR YOU
ReplyDeleteConservatives are real.
ReplyDeleteHermetic directionality?
ReplyDelete"Please ensure that your anus is firmly clenched around your neck, please, before creating your topic sentence."
"especially not an employee of another libertarian."
ReplyDeleteNow, there's a sitcom waiting to happen. Or maybe just a movie of the week.
Ah, well, let's all recite that old homily together: "Stupidity is forever."
ReplyDeleteOriginally, I'm from New Hampshire. Currently residing in rural Virginia, down in the pointy western end.
ReplyDeleteI confess, I was actually just going for a "begging the question" joke, but good to know.
HORN & HARDART??
ReplyDeleteYeah, you know, the law firm in Angel. Who was ... a vampire. Coincidence?
Rick Santorum certainly seems to think so.
ReplyDeleteHOT.
ReplyDeleteI see what you did there. Well played.
ReplyDeleteW'all, shoot, there you go destroying their tidy little argument to end the minimum wage, which is all that they really want, because other people make too damned much thanks to the gummint.
ReplyDeleteFuck, I'd love to hear Postrel's negotiations with Bloomberg without any wage floor. "Sure, we want you to work for us. Two columns a week, 800 words max. each. 1.2 cents per word."
"Why, I've never been so insulted in my life!"
"Well, okay, then, 0.8 cents a word."
"You're joking."
"Ooops, too late. McArdle says she'll do it for 0.7 cents per. Suderman got a raise. You both write the same thing, and with the same high percentage of bullshit, so you're interchangeable. The free market casino wins again. Thanks for playing."
I'll bet John Fund is feeling left out.
ReplyDeleteand sparkle
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this means that the rich crank funding all the money-losing "Atlas Shrugged" movies is rewriting the third installment's script to make Dagny Taggart a vampire?
ReplyDeleteWould bring whole new meaning to the term, "blood-sucking capitalists."
"That steak isn't dripping with blood you complete fucking idiot!"
ReplyDeletePersonally I'd be accidentally spilling my Big Gulp Slush-o-rama all over that iPad. Or seeing how resistant that interface is to a ball-point.
ReplyDeleteI thought that was Saw.
ReplyDeleteWell, the thing is this: there are already restaurants using these shiny new iPad interfaces. They're in some of the bigger airports, and I've also seen them used at the Detroit Institute of Art...places where your customer base has been pre-screened for drunks, people with poor impulse control, and junkies who will steal anything. I'd put the half-life of an iPad in San Francisco at about forty hours. Either a disgruntled customer will have similar impulses to you...or some employee who sees the writing on the wall will drop by Harbor Freight for some tamperproof fastener bits and liberate a severance package.
ReplyDeleteI had never noticed how closely Bizarro-Lois resembles Ayn Rand--check that profile. What year was this drawn?
ReplyDeleteAfter you unburdened yourself about Iowa the other day, I figured I could at least return the favor. I was once represented by Judd Gregg and Robert Smith. I realize that if there are 100 senators, two of them have to be the dumbest guys in the room. But did they both have to come from my state?
ReplyDeleteA thousand-island dressing down, at that.
ReplyDeleteTruly, I wouldn't be anything but mildly amused at these perennially squawking assholes if they were only honest about why they're pushing this horseshit. Instead, they feel obligated to spraypaint the scenery with stuff that has the superficial appearance of being deeply considered, but isn't, along with wiping everything down with a patina of "the world and everyone in it would be much better off if only we__________." (Fill in the blank, reinstituted slavery, made 8-year-olds work 12-hours shifts at McDonalds, legalized white-collar crime, made Lloyd Blankfein the president, let corporations spread poison on us for fun and profit, destroyed all of worker's legal rights, turned over every municipal water system to privately-held corporations and let frackers destroy the rest of the water, turned the Treasury over to Wall Street, etc., etc., etc.)
ReplyDeleteBut, no, it's all fundamentally dishonest. It's not about improving anything except the thickness of the wallets of the rich assholes that commission their attempts to scavenge crumbs from the fatcats' tables. They think that they'll be better off--and that's wildly different from everyone. Here's a clue, since they don't have one. Once the fatcats get everything the morons claim is their due, in the name of that mythical, magical free market, they won't need you to do their whining for them, and you'll be rummaging around behind the couch cushions for spare change, too, if you're lucky enough to still have a couch. You're gonna get fucked the same as aaaaaall the rest of us.
Why? Because that's the way that vaunted free market of yours really works. I can't wait for the McArdle blog posts telling us that the taste of dog food is really enhanced by a little pink Himalayan salt.
I'm no authority, but Bizarro World made its first appearance in DC Action Comics #263, published in April, 1960. I believe this panel comes from that.
ReplyDeleteI would like to be sold down the river for the sheer experience of it with this comment.
ReplyDeleteIt is pretty down that way.
ReplyDelete"....employers can’t offer, and workers can’t take, lower wages in exchange for better hours. The minimum wage sets a legal floor."
ReplyDeleteIn her 2009 kidney transplant article (linked by Mr Roso above), Postrel does essentially the same ju-jitsu, with a ghoulish twist:
"Outlawing payments to donors is ostensibly a way to keep the system fair, giving rich and poor an equally lousy chance of getting a kidney. But wealthier people can already more easily register at distant centers with short lists. They’re also more likely to have friends and relatives who can afford the nonmedical expenses that living donation often entails, including time off from work, child care, hotel rooms, or cross-country travel. "
Rephrased: "Not everyone, rich or poor, can get a kidney now. So might as well make it legal to sell them. There will be more on the market, all of which the rich folk will buy.But then, it will only suck ( albiet worse than before) to be poor."...
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Never mind vampires, how do you tell these choads from prostelytizers for a particularly noxious religion?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure one can. Libertarians certainly behave like cult members. And they don't even have the decency to dress up in black pants, short-sleeve white shirts, narrow black ties and backpacks so we have some fair warning that they're coming.
ReplyDeleteShorter Postrel: how on earth can we rig the market for organs if the evil gummint doesn't allow us to price them?
ReplyDelete"employers can’t offer, and workers can’t take, lower wages in exchange for better hours."
ReplyDeleteI can just see it now:
Employee: I have to be at my daughter's school at 3 to pick her
up.
Boss: What? She Can't take the bus? Her father can't get
her?
Employee: When the state cut taxes, the school district couldn't
afford to run the bus she used to take. And I had
to get a restraining order against her father for
abusing us, so he's no longer in the picture.
Boss: Sooo... sounds like you're in something of a bind. Tell
ya what, you can work 6:30 to 2:30 for... let's see...
three bucks an hour, and maybe we can think of
"other" ways you can repay me for the inconvenience
of having to juggle your hours...
People will actually pay to watch a movie about vampires.
ReplyDeleteIt helps that vampires don't inflict fifty page lectures on why you're unworthy to keep your blood.
People will actually pay to watch a movie about vampires.
ReplyDeleteIt helps that vampires don't inflict fifty page lectures on why you're unworthy to keep your blood.*
Then they could work 24 hours a day to barely not be able to meet basic needs and they wouldn't need to waste money on housing!
ReplyDeleteSome people are highly invested in the status quo wherein labor is sold in a buyer's market and absolutely everything else is in a seller's market. And for a few it's absolutely sacred.
"Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?"
ReplyDeleteVampires are monsters that exist only in fiction.
Hey, I have two of those things!
ReplyDeletethey're highly unlikely to look up at their billboard, smack their foreheads and exclaim "What was I thinking?"
ReplyDeleteI'll do it for 'em. For minimum wage, if the benefits are right.
The University of Phoenix doesn't have 200-story buildings made out of actual matter. It's made out of fairy dust and unicorn farts and student loan interest, like a for-profit Brigadoon.
ReplyDeleteIf Postrel and McArdle think their editors are a savory mix of stupid and dishonest, they can be congratulated on finally being right about something.
ReplyDeleteI've been to New Hampshire and loved it. Gotta say, though, that the NH Senator you didn't mention - the hon. Gordon Humphrey - always chilled my blood.
ReplyDeleteSt Peter don't you call me, cuz I can't go...
ReplyDelete"You're gonna get fucked the same as aaaaaall the rest of us"
ReplyDeleteThe thing is they get to watch and take pleasure in the rest of us getting fucked over first. No way they'll admit they're at the end of the same line because, don't you know, they're standing behind the red velvet rope the Kochs have put up to separate them from the riffraff.
Just call me in time for dinner.
ReplyDeleteTrue enough. They are big enough idiots to think that velvet rope is a big deal, when in fact it's a distinction without a difference.
ReplyDeleteWhen Titmuss wrote "The Gift Relationship" back in 1970, he reckoned that blood donation had been banned in various US jurisdictions, after profit-making blood-transfusion companies had successfully argued that a non-profit donation service amounted to unfair competition against their industry. Is that still the case anywhere?
ReplyDeleteAt least you know how someone from Oklahoma now feels.
ReplyDeleteRest assured, blood donation is alive and well. The plutocrats wouldn't allow anything to stand in the way of their elective surgeries.
ReplyDeleteOn the positive side, they don't bomb Gaza.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not like there are significant barriers to entry.
ReplyDeleteI have health and a good behaviour bond. Is that close enough?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Postrel would like to be paid in exposure?
ReplyDeleteVampires have hearts that you can kill them by putting a stake through.
ReplyDeleteIn Seattle, just as soon as the phase-in period is over, we're going to find out exactly what happens when McDonald's is forced to pay $15/hr.
ReplyDeleteApparently I only have to convince rich conservatives to give me money. Alas, no luck so far.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping to pick cotton (i.e, "contribute to the national welfare") with that comment, but your plan sounds so much more exciting, with all the new places and new faces!
ReplyDeleteYou'll be sorry, as libertarian/conservative orthodoxy demands that McDonald's flee the city for, say, Moses Lake.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians and conservatives try to bullshit you that "It's for your own good." Vampires just go for the fucking jugular.
ReplyDeleteAlso too Meldrim Thompson Jr. The prototype for all the batshit crazy that is the Republican party today.
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm not trying to turn this into a pissing contest or anything, but *I* was once represented by Newt Gingrich.
ReplyDeleteOh, those universities. Such Alinskyite bastions of liberalism! Woody Guthrie would be proud.
ReplyDeleteAnd there is something the fuck wrong with you if your utopia would increase the amount of human suffering.
ReplyDeleteThe theory that torturing animals as a child is a predictor of mass/serial killing has been disproved, but I wonder if anyone has looked at how it correlates to libertarianism?
Didn't the libercons originally have major fountainheads for Costco?
ReplyDeleteThe Red Cross can get paid for your (whole)blood, but you can't. Is this a great country or what?
ReplyDeletePlutocrats should get a better deal.
ReplyDeleteThis comment should be cast in bronze.
ReplyDeleteWith incentives...
ReplyDeleteLayoffs in the 60 days prior to Christmas? Ching-ching!
Leverage a buyout of a pension fund rich under-performer, transfer all your debt to the new acquisition, bankrupt it to loot that pension fund?
TrIfecta! Give yourself a hand and laugh all the way to the bank! You've "earned" it!
Or at least cast in the next segment of Atlas Shrugged.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't Bizzaro Superman be puny and bald, for the sake of logical consistency.
ReplyDeleteThis, of course, is a minor variation on the "the law is not 100% effective in achieving its stated goals; therefore, we should just get rid of the law."
ReplyDeleteI was Ephrata that.
ReplyDeleteOr, as we've seen in real life, the answer is simply "no." And our worker is then presented with losing her job to go get her kid, or leaving the kid to fend for herself for two hours--which then results in mom getting arrested for child neglect since she's unable to be a helicopter parent the way we demand she be these days.
ReplyDeleteI guess it doesn't occur to these writers that maybe if the people on top would agree to make some of the same sacrifices they expect from people on the bottom (imagine making $5 million instead of $10 million), they could actually afford to let some of that wealth shall we say "trickle down" to their employees in the form of bigger paychecks. What a concept!
ReplyDeletePack your bags kids because the cool new thing to do is to pay for your own work experience. I understand that two of Obama's lesser lights from his 2008 campaign are setting up a win/win proposition where they will permit eager would be campaign operatives to pay them 5000 dollars a pop (not "all found" btw: all to be supplied by the "interns/suckers") and the eager new recruitniks will be funnelled into some no name race in the middle of the country to be ground troops and learn the secrets of campaigning from the masters.
ReplyDeleteIf the slaveowners had only known they could have run the entire rig as a modified guild system. No doubt the slaves would have been lining up to pay for their own enslavement.
Yeah but the white-collar guy needed that money -- the mortgage on his 5BR restored Victorian is $6k/month, and his kids' private-school tuition is another $18k/yr -- each! If he goes broke there are real consequences (plus the boat slip ain't free). Meanwhile, cooks and dishwashers simply can't justify a salary payout with their $900 rent and kids in public school.
ReplyDeleteLook, it's obvious: Getting thrown out of a cheap apartment is not nearly as disorienting and tragic as losing the $1.5 million historic home you as luck would have it were teed up from birth for worked your whole life for. You have to admit! And frankly those dishwashers shouldn't even be having kids.
You know, it's possible that a large slice of that 86% saw all those as roughly synonymous.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to go waaaay out on a limb and say that the pie chart of people who think those three things are effectively one thing just looks like a blue circle.
Aw, geez you guys.
ReplyDeleteLuckily, on the internet no one can see you blush.
Crazy how Postrell (and McArdle, etc, and all their readers) clearly have no awareness (or pretend so) that work for most people does not involve simply informing the boss you have to leave at 3:00 today. I can usually do that now, working in an office with a salary, but through the years when I made minimum wage? In theory at $6 they should have demanded less from me, but oof: the subsistence environment is one of time clocks to punch, 2 demerits for being 3 minutes late, mandatory firing at 12 demerits. Now, with a salary, I'm regularly 20 minutes late, might take an overly long lunch to run errands, I get long paid vacations -- all while my boss gives me glowing reviews. Oh and there's food in every meeting, so that's another $10-$40 I'm not spending per week, now that saving $10-$40 doesn't really matter to me.
ReplyDeleteI guess if all you ever had was the cush salaried life, where the boss's goal is to keep good workers happy, then you maybe you don't guess that the boss who runs the minimum wage joint has a different goal.
Or maybe you guess but then that's the fault of Big Gummint plus Those Lazy People Who Need Discipline, I dunno.
. . . the fault of Big Gummint plus Those Lazy People Who Need Discipline. . .
ReplyDeleteIt's Big Gubmint's fault because when you're forced to pay people the exorbitant $7.25/hr wage, you just have to treat those people like shit 'cause otherwise they won't work--which means it's their fault, too.
I have to admit that I'm continually mystified by employers who act like Simon LeGree. My own management experience has been that, even in minimum-wage situations, managers who treat their employees with respect and show some understanding for the stress of living on a minimum-wage job, generally end up with employees who willingly give far more to the job than they get paid. Treat employees like shit and SURPISE!!! The employees will take every opportunity to return the favor.
But, I guess, good Christian employers like Hobby Lobby and WalMart just skip over all those passages in the Old and New testaments about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.
When I was very tiny, I was occasionally taken to a H&H. I found it endlessly fascinating. Not the food as such (though I liked it well enough; I invariably chose pie, and any tyke will purr when shovelling concentrated sugar down its maw). What fascinated me was the system. Soon enough, though, the places began to wink out of existence.
ReplyDeleteOur host's blogroll links to Jeremiah's Vanishing New York, which anybody who cares about New York should read. I particularly enjoyed a post about Slugger Annie's, a bar on Second that I never knew in that incarnation but which, as the Dragon Bar, was absolutely one of my favourite places during one of periods living in the city. (Best damn jukebox in Manhattan, too.) In a later period, I brought my wife there to show her the place, only to find that it had morphed into Dick's, which catered to a slightly different clientele. Dick's, too, is now gone. So much has gone. (During yet another New York period, after H&H but before the Dragon, I'd walk by Manny Wolf's most mornings as it was being turned into Smith & Wollensky's. At the time, the "Since 1977" over the door was a clever joke, but any irony has since been layered thickly over by the patina of time, and of being sold off to financial investors.) Eheu fugaces and all that; everything slips away before you know it.
Which is why I was astonished, on doing a quick wiki search just now, to learn that the H&H where I'd gobbled pie as a bairn was the very last to succumb; it was open till 1991.
Why torture animals when you can just wait a bit and become a Republican operative? Or maybe you can set your sites on being in the "enhanced interrogation" business--something we'll likely be privatizing very soon (if we haven't already) since corporations operate outside the bounds of any law.
ReplyDelete. . . two of Obama's lesser lights from his 2008 campaign are setting up a win/win proposition where they will permit eager would be campaign operatives to pay them 5000 dollars a pop (not "all found" btw: all to be supplied by the "interns/suckers")
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding? Sadly, I'd guess there are more than a few idealistic and naĂ¯ve youngsters who might think this a good opportunity.
Obama should personally call these people out before they destroy some innocent lives.
Where are the Manhattans of yesteryear?
ReplyDeleteIt is shamefull.
ReplyDeleteThe logic was flawless.
ReplyDeleteIt is the standard reasoning model for libertarians and conservatives alike--at least when it comes to things with which they disagree.
I've always imagined that one of the reasons these people don't get out much is because of this kind of reasoning. "I'd like to drive to Orlando, but my car won't go that far on a single tank of gas. So that means I can't go to Orlando! Ever!"
That's how we know climate change is a hoax--if it was real there'd only be like 987 islands.
ReplyDeleteDunno about the libercons, but Wall Street has certainly been down on Costco--specifically for paying its workers more than minimum wage. Financial analysts have consistently downgraded Costco stock because of the company's refusal to slash wages to match WalMart, Target, and the rest of the American retail nightmare.
ReplyDeleteimagine making $5 million instead of $10 million
ReplyDeleteYou heartless monster!
Right? Everyone's drinking gin these days.
ReplyDeleteI have edited many a master's and doctoral thesis from students at this esteemed institution. My favorite so far was a student who wrote her dissertation proposal and had it kicked back because the vocabulary was too advanced. Her committee did not understand it, so they demanded it be dumbed down. (I ended up sending it back to her largely untouched because the vocabulary she was using was precisely the words needed. I included a note to that effect, which I guess she passed along to her committee. They then accepted the proposal.)
ReplyDeleteSo, yeah, I'd not be recommending U of Phoenix for anyone of above-average intelligence.
With a tiny line marked "Virginia Postrel" as the alternate group.
ReplyDelete. . . imagine making $5 million instead of $10 million . . .
ReplyDeleteGo read through the filed settlements of some of the high-ticket divorces. For a lot of these people, making only $5 million may as well mean living in a dishwasher box under the Williamsburg Bridge. What, with $20,000 a month wardrobe expenses, $10,000 a week in entertaining expenses, and all the hired help--$5 million is poverty-level wages.
Of course, the help is expected to flourish on actual poverty-level wages. But you can't have everything, can you?
That's a very rye comment.
ReplyDeleteThat's what you think: I took a picture
ReplyDeleteMost religions have the decency to not call for human sacrifice any more?
ReplyDeleteNo need. They're already there. (I lived in Moses Lake during the peak of its reputation in the early `60s, and was in Portland in 1999 for something and decided to drive over--it's all fast food joints and mobile home dealers now. When I was there, the nearest McDonalds was in Spokane, a 90-mile drive.)
ReplyDeleteHey, wherever the Beaver Falls, right?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if a corporation with a sincerely held religious belief would allow workers to take Sunday (or Saturday!) off without fear of being fired.
ReplyDeleteI haven't read the 207 comments before this one yet, so hopefully I won't be redundant.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?
Sex. Conservatives fear it; libertarians can't get it because of all the stuck-up bitches; and vampires get it on 24/7.
Ok, not 24/7 because of the sleeping in the coffin during daylight hours and all, but you know what I mean.
And when they do, they don't expect the sacrificial victims to pay for the knife and carve out their own hearts.
ReplyDeleteYeah. The people who descend in droves on each new Costco that opens must be actors.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Costco sounds a bit FRENCH!
Hobby Lobby is actually closed on Sundays.
ReplyDeleteThat's a thing of beauty.
ReplyDelete"Libertarians, conservatives, vampires -- what's the difference again?"
ReplyDeleteVampires aren't interested in kidneys, just blood. None of them are interested in brains.
NO ONE can EVER go to Orlando. My car-related experience is the defining experience for humanity.
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